Who is up for reelection next fall, the one of the next victims of the russian hacker and band . Good this new form of political cyber warfare become a new front in the battle to win hearts and minds. It is a question. Sheave christinae meier, says we have to encourage people not to blindly follow the echo chamber views of their on. Groups. In otherwords words, use your on brain. We also have daniel domscheitberg. He says that donald trump has decided where his loyalty lies. The internet activist former associate spokesperson for wikileaks. Malte lehming is also with us, he said he needs to decide drop needs t to decide where his loyalty lies. Could hacking have determined that outcome of the election . It seems that they have much more influence than anyone had anticipated. We are looking into that and also telling people that you cant really believe what you see. Yet to check those sources. You have to check the sources. Melinda i want to come back later to what we need to do about the problem. One thing we are talking about is russian hacking attempts to get into the Democratic National committee email and that steady drip of emails from Hillary Clintons account. The other side are the trolls, the fake news or court and so forth. Which side is s more dangerous d damamaging . The amount o of lies. Eventually mass that decided that it doesnt matter if it is true. They believe what they want to believe. They said it might not be true, but i want it anyway. I want trump a anyway. There is an interesting psychological effect that peoples points were so effective that they didnt want to check on the accuracy of anything they came across. That is scary. Melinda wikileaks played a major role. How do you see that role of the platform that you used to work with, how does it become a tool of cybercrime . It is a little more complicated than that. If you are on such a platform and your objective is to publish information that has been secret previously are before, then it is hard to decide that you dont want to publish certain information just because it wont fit your clinical agenda. Even if you dont agree with what youre publishing, you need to put out what you have. Thereou have to ask, were them else from the Republican Party as well and that is what downlls down to boils to. Let the they didnt republican emails out to the public. Wikileaks took sides. That is a problem with the lack of a transparency. Been taking a side in this election. Being takenis now by donald trump that he rejected the cia claims saying it is ridiculous. You say he needs to decide side he is on, malte lehming, but are you saying there could be intentional cooperation between him and the russians . I have no idea. They havent been proven yet. Msnbc reported that Vladimir Putin was p personally involvedn hacking things. S. Fake news is a kind of business. People can do it and earn money because fake news is registered on facebook, if it is relevant, or funny, or entertaining, then you have high communication on it. It is put up in the front. It will make a living creating fake news. People like that exist. Hacking stuff is different. With hacking stuff of the question is with you publish it when do you publish it . If you publish something the day before the Democratic National convention, you can impacted. These are two different things. Donald trump is in a kind of a dilemma. Saying that it doesnt matter how an election and democracy in the ninth date is taking place. Interestedt least be in finding out the truth. Saying i just dont believe it and someone in new jersey could do the same thing, it might be true, but he should at least be interested in the question, if the election process has been disturbed by a foreign power. He is certainly appointed a very russia friendly. He is also resisting all calls for an independent probe into the hacking and the fake news efforts. What do you think . How tight is this trumpputin connection . Perspective s perspective he is a very interesting person. If you look at future secretary of date, weve seen and a son ceo we have seen a exonn ceo. He probably wants someone who can negotiate and has their connections with russia. Are seeing some kind of male bonding or whatever, that we dont know. But we know is pitin has high has high putin interest and trump has high interests. s power relies on the republican majority in congress on the republican majority in congress for power. To turn the entire congress into russophiles is not likely. It is ingrained in the entire political conscious that we have to fight russia. Many of them are indeed pressing for an inquiry. Would you expect that to turn up something conclusive and convincing . I would hope so. I do not agree with anything donald trump is saying. The same people claiming the russians are the hackers are the same people claiming iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Wikileaks andh some of the dynamics, we require more trans parents he. It is not a clinton in our time. It is just getting more complicated with every day that is passing. Approach tofferent how much we can approve what is actually happening. How much we can actually verify that the interpretations given to us by the media and Intelligence Services that we geget a chance to actually see f there is a sound basis for those claims. With that i would hope such an inquiry would, first of all, be made and be made as transparent as possible so we can verify that whatever interpretation comes out is a good one. More than just a cia thesis. The new times york times just came out with a documentation about this. Theondescript building in russian city of st. Petersburg isome to dozenof interne trolls. Ththey spread per russiaian propaganda usually on social Media Outlets and they do that in a number of different ways. Some emploloes generatate fake news stories. Others post comments in forums and chat rooms. ,till others run social bots and animated software that spreads across social networkss by d disguising it is a real person. These efforts at manipulating the media can have dangerous a later this month, a man fired shots at a restaurant in washington d c after reading a fake news story that said that the restaurant was the headquarte of a child trafficking ring. Daniel domscheitberg, that was, of course, a look at the fake news operation. Taking that and hacking, can we be sure they are occurring at the behest of russian authorities . In a time when Cyber Attacks are ongoing every day, all day long from all players involved. Every major Intelligence Service that has people in active operation, they have people hacking. The only thing not worthy here is that something very important and his strength interesting was a dug up and put the public at the right point in time. Melinda we are told u. S. Authorities knew about this for some time. In fact, they went to members of the congress and disclosed some of the information beforehand. We are also told that the obama admin ration was reluctant to try and sanction russia, perhaps by implementing its own cyber warfare tool. Draghi lack is ace a strategy. To thelar from atomic bomb. We have the ability to wreak havoc on Cyber Infrastructure all over the world and manipulate pubublic opinion. What we lack is a international recourse of people of how we want to do with it. We have a totally unregulated market that is out there. Credit card fraud is treated the same way as Intelligence Services treat customer fraud. Understand how much Information Warfare campaigns can disrupt society and its functioning structure with fake opinion. People are thinking twice before reacting. We need to start wondering how we are going to deal with this restructuring. , wenda christinae meier just heard daniel domscheitberg say that everybody is hacking. Christinae meier ththere is a this hacking. She was a victim of a russian operation. She was warned by a federal agency, so it t was very treat r peopled it is the same at headquarters. They can find out who is behind it. Crucial information can be taken out of these offices and in this particular case she worked with the ukraine opposition a lot. It is a dangerous for people in certain information gets out. She was a plausible victim and that wororries people because we know that bundestag has been hacked. Who knows what they are going to do with it and when they are going to publish it. Melinda there is a lot of concern because we have parliamentary elections coming up in germany and 2017. With there be an interest on the part of russia to see a Angela Merkel destabilize . There might be. Angela merkel is one of the leading figures in the sanctioning of russia for the ukraine. She had to stand against moscow. I dont think that russian aterest is so much in if specific person got elected. They want to discredit democracy said there is no american, european, or anyone who can admire democracy who democracy and will go to moscow and demonstrate for human rights. They w want to delegitimize all they are as t that better civilization that russia is. On the other hand, i dont think thing. Blic opinion is a ,efore the hacking in the d c trump was not leading in the polls. We are talking about 2 or percent that can make a difference, but it is not a large amount of things. Melinda one things that both fake news and hacking clearly do is undermined trust. Lets take a look at a recent case of fake news that did target germany. About a year r ago, members f germanys russiangerman unity protested after reports that police were trying to cover up an assault. Reports said that migrants did the crime. There were nasty online crime comments about migrants and the police. The German Authorities were criticized for their handling of the case but it later turned out that the girl had made up this tory. Is there any way to stop this flood of disinformation . It turned up that the girl made up the story. Fornda we are seeing calls Holding Social Media accountable. Possibly Holding Mark Zuckerberg accountable for not controlling the stream of faking news. It is hard to implement Something Like this. Anybody running a platform should have an interest in not submitting information that is making confused if it can be proved that it is falsified information also. On the other hand, theres no way you can limit the way information is spread over the internet. It would be very counterproductive. Politicalck is the education and to some kind of a media competence that enables calm a littlele bit longer and verify what they hear from various sources. This is a basic media competence. Melinda that fits right in with int christinae meier said her opening statement, mainly people need to use there on brains. Use their own psychologistnd tell us people faced with information overload due retreat into their existing biases because they are simply overwhelmed. How do we change that . Certainly not by law. What we can expect or hope for is that people are looking for trustworthy sources of information again. You cannot expect everyone to be a journalist and triple check every source. In germany we have the same source of public radio and a free press that is very important because we are checking each others stories and i do think that there are sources, reliable sources that can actually help. Have at of all, we Global Information or. This cannot be denied. We have a Global Information war. Claim bbc first there was bbc, then al jazeera, they change the way people look at the middle east and changed the perception of the world. This is not fake news. We had russia today, which is very influential in the united states. They reflect on other worlds of men. Ande things are important Bradley Manning gave wikileaks information. Considered a political prisoner in the ninth date. In the united states. Is, if you report wrong every day, then you really focus on it. , mostnda christinae meier people still get their news from television. Offensiveof a truth could television on casters be doing here could Television Broadcasters be doing here. Ive been asked, why dont you put forth russian news that gives a different picture from russia today. Hopefully do dibella is a doing that. Deutsche welle is doing that. Consistently reporting on events in the world, international event. If you are looking for news is that is newsworthy and at this time trustworthy, you can find them, but if you dont look for them, if i could wish for something it would be more transparent. We have a trust issue. Most people think it is the mamainstreamam press that is lyg to them and others are skeptical about other information. What we really need and this is something we hoped for when the whole wikileaks of things started, that the journalists who are writing a story is well researched and is presenting the facts in the same manner. That the journalists publish the documentation that they have. If you publish your research in a scientific terminal, not everyone will verify your sources. The fact is that the sourceses e there and someone could verify, it h holds you accountable as te person writing the story. If we have a report from wikileaks, we have to add it is from achilles. Wikileaks. You dont even know if the information you get from wikileaks is true. He can all the fake. Fake. It could all the im not trying to criticize. Do you think next year european elections could go utins plans . P no. No. No. That is too easy. Melinda this that mean that you think for some reason, christinae meier, that european democracies are less honorable than the u. S. . We believe in the age of enlightenment and we should use our brains. Melinda thanks to you for tuning in. See you soon. 8uxungngngnnnnnnnnnnwooo . Anne this week, global 3000 heads to japan, the country with the worlds oldest population. We meet an entrepreneur who runs affordable retirement homes. In the u. S. , donald trump has older voters to thank for his election victory, leaving many young people in shock. Another brexit . We ask a demographics expert about the generation gap. But first, we go to mexico where thousands of migrants remain dead set on crossing the border into the u. S. What does the future hold for them