Quitting. Sex, lies, and videotape. Is strong finished is trump finished . Thats our question today. Its a pleasure to welcome the Berlin Bureau chief of the New York Times, and she says she never believed donald trump would win but in this race, a lot of things have an unexpected and thats why shes careful with predictions. We welcome the Business Editor of the berlin daily, who s problem is not his sexism. Its that he talks about sex. An anglo to have german author and regular commentator for a berlinbased newspaper back on the show. Trump might even gain from the episode. Polls are indeed taking a dramatic turn downward for mr. Trump. The factct is that there is alws a very dynamic phase in this final stage of the race as undecided voters finally begin to make up their mind. How much of a role is this whole. Ex tape really playing as i believe Andy Rosenthal wrote yesterday on the day before, this showed us a donald trump who we basically knew was , very clearly showing us mode. Trump in that now other women have come forward to the New York Times and assure they will come forward to other media, too, saying they can name other incidents where he behaved inappropriately. As with the entire phenomenon, to suddenly say, oh, my gosh, we did not know that this was i think everybody sort of did know. If this affects the race, im not so sure. Theyre being constant surprises this year, not just in the United States, but think about brexit, for instance. What i think we can see is a the certainties we thought we had our kind of shifting before our eyes. Everybody is adjdjusting to that shifting reality. There could be another big surprise before polling day, but right now, it would appear that donald trump has scant chance of winning. I still would not rule him out completely. My favorite example is think of a group of people who arrange on facebook or some other means of communication, ok, we are for trump. Lets each take 10 people with day. Voting you can do that and it flies under the radar of any kind of traditional opinioion p polling. We know Hillary Clinton is very well organized by conventional measures, but precisely what has not really worked this year is convention. Lets come back to the mechanics of the race and issues such as pulling. Let me pick up on your remarks just foundimes has to do women who confirmed it was not only locker room talk on the tape. Withaid you would agree donald trump that he simply said what bill clinton did, but apparently according to these claims now published by the times, this was not just talk. One woman has a very clear account of him physically groping her on a plane. Deeds behinde were these words. It is difficult is the only men in the room to sort of say what i am saying. Any man who is honest with tell you it is true what donald trump says. Men not every group of men, not every time, but men talk like that. The second thing is trump groups women because he thinks they want that. He is an oath and if youll a clinton usedl state troopers to procure his women. He slept with an intern at the white house, and hillarys reaction was to say he had a , bimbo thats her word meaning the women he slept with. This is also horrible. Im just saying its not a republican problem. Its not even a specific trump problem. It is a mail problem and a problem for females, women, who cover for ththis kind of man. Trump says he is unshackled now because the Republican Party is disowning him. I wonder what he will dig up on hillary and bill, and it will not be nice. As tempting as it is now to open up discussion on bill clinton, im going to leave that aside because otherwise, we will not face the topic at hand. You implied you thought trump could come back from these allegations, potentially perhaps also from two women going to the times and telling their story, but the fact is he needs women voters. They make up the majority of the undecided voters. Do you really think ththey are going to take same view you just gave us . Was always his base white males of a certain education but he has got to broaden that, doesnt he . Males might find hispanic feeling that this macho way of talking is kind of nice or even black males saying the same thing. You might even find the kind of i mean, listen to country music. Even when sung by women, its all about that kind of man, and manit is stand by your because, after all, he is just a man. I really do not know what might or might not happen, and i really wish women would rise up and say he has had it. I do not think that is going to happen. I think the problem is a different one. I think everyone always knew as you justan oaf, said, and that he was sexist as well. That was common knowledge, but i think the problem is that he , and the voters he has to catch are these conservative and religious voters, and they do not want to talk about sex. Its different in europe. Everyone talks about sex. Actually, he had talked about sex plenty before. Remember the debate during the primary when he more or less bragged about the size and effectiveness of his sexual equipment . Hesifference here is talking about assault, molestation. Exactly. I agreeink that that he never had much chance with women. I think it just drove home again that he was sexdriven. Perhaps it is not a problem for conservative voters, but i cannot imagine all these tea party guys voting for him not their idea of how you should behave as a churchgoing president. Or perhaps it is not a problem. I cannot really tell. In a way, its great that it is happening. Remember when bill clinton did this stuff . The Republican Party was up in arms. A question of character. It was not just the Republican Party. Saying herybody brought Public Discourse down to kind of a. Well, here we go. Now, the same democrats who defended bill clinton saying that as his private matter now, they are all accusing trump , and the great thing is the question of who is for what, and the whole moral issue, the cultural wars have been declared invalid. Theublican values Republican Party supporting a sexist oaf. Actually, the Republican Party is by no means united anymore supporting donald trump. Your paper published a long list who are nowns deserting what they clearly perceived to be a sinking ship. Among the most recently john mccain, arnold schwarzenegger, Condoleezza Rice all saying they cannot vote for mr. Trump. Is there a certain element of hypocrisy . It has been perfectly clear for a long time politics would not exist without hypocrisy, but i would like to go back to your point that what happens afterwards is really kind of the important thing here. If it is the culture wars or whatever, these are all substitutes for what is essentially a strugglele for power, which, traditionally, in the United States has been fight between democrats and republicans, broadly speaking, center right, or broadly speaking more left, but im not sure left and right are particularly helpful because those european terms do not really apply when you get to u. S. Politics. I think it is much more interesting to see what will remain this fight the day after there is a decision, and what will the reality after the election due to resolve the basic issues that it has thrown up, and which will not be solved by the choice of either clinton or trump, per se. Can we come back to that a little bit later . I want to focus on that, but i would like to take a brief look first at the storm that has been unleashed by release of the tape, and in particulalar, the twitter storm that mr. Trump himself has now unchanged. Has nownged unchained. Launched a blistering attack on paul ryan, the countrys highest ranking republican. It is hard to do well when paul ryan and others give zero support. Trump called ryan a very weak and ineffective leader. And then this its so nice the shackles have been taken off me and i can now fight for america the way that i want to. As i said, your Opening Statement implies that you do think trump can come back from this, but does he not need the Republican Party organization wherere his own Campaign Organization is so weak on the ground, particularly in swing states doesnt he need their backing . He is now absolutely flouting them. The first thing you have to say is, again, he is right in that he has cast off the shackles. t votesays now he can for trump, and he could vote for someone who called mexicans rapists, and who said on a tv show that a woman has blood coming out of her . That was all right . Come on. All these people that are now against trunk from the Republican Party, guys and gals, some of them you are too late. If he is casting them off, i think it will galvanize his. Upport i think he really has a chance his whole pitch has been, im the new guy, not part of the establishment. I say what i think. I do what i say. Thisnk it is working with aggressive, resentmentladen male voter who says, finally, there is a guy who is a real macho and does not kowtow to these washington politicals. Am not even sure it is resentmentladen people. Americans are always questining for something new. Theres a willingness to say maybe this guy will shake things up. I found it interesting. Bone, the ken unexpected hit of the second debate, who were his red sweater , posed a question about energy. He became an internet sensation for at least five minutes, and he sort of said economically, he ought to be going with trump because he works in the coal sector and trump sort of echoes more closely the nature of his day to day problems, but it would be impossible for him personally to do that beuse things l like marriagege equaliy and other rights that have been won by minorities are two hardfought victory too to beought a victory given up. I found it interesting because this was not someone who was eitherg at the mouth on floor. He was taking a very sanguine look and he did not out of hand reject trump p plus argument whe at the same time praising things that are much more likely to put in the hillary camp. You are right when you say the conservative establishment could have somehow be angry with trump before because of what he had said. I think the interesting thing is that i think that is what this is all about. Showedvey has clearly the conservative establishment was just looking for a good reason to somehow get away from trump before it is too late for them. For them, it is clear that they will lose the race for presidency. Now the only question is how to keep the majority in the house and what to do afterward. Ofy do not want to be part the sinking ship, so they all went overboard as soon as possible. The video was just an excuse to get rid of trump, but they would have found another excuse if this video had not been excavated. Particularly strange is the that some of those who jumped ship are now halfway trying to climb back on. 405 members said they were not really rejecting the top of the take it, but we just kind of a little disturbed about the tape. Party is inan tremendous disarray. Do you really believe that polls are so inaccurate that at the end of the day they can come back from this to win the election, both for the presidency and both chambers of the congress . Well, yes, i do. Short answer. The problem is, really, the party is in disarray because it has nothing to do. Everything the party stands for, the party of abraham lincoln, for god sake, has nothing to do with what trump stands for. I hate what he said about women. The real problem is what he is saying about mr. Putin, for instance, that he thinks he is a nice guy. He could get on with him. Or the fact that he says in the same breath he could deal with and with a stroke of a pen what he would do with this war on immigration. These are the real problems, that he has no coherent policy in the policy he has has nothing to do with the sort of small government, basically liberal in the economic sense policies that, shall we say, mitt romney or Ronald Reagan stood for. This is the really terrible thing. If he actually got into the white house, what wowould he do with that party . Would he do with that position of power . Who would he a point to govern with him . Very unclear. He might form a new party. Very possibly. We have known they Republican Party has been in some disarray for some years. The appearance of the tea party has basically forced an ideological struggle upon the republicans, and that has been in full swing for at least the past two Major National elections if not longer. Assessment of many people was that the approach taken by donald trump at this latest debate and the approach he is essentially using now that he is unshackled is to throw red meat at his core voters, many of whom are disgusted with the party elite in the republican ranks. Lets take a look at one of withholde trump voters my colleagues in the u. S. Spoke. Aroundchilton shows us his property in arizona, more than 200 square kilometers. Part of it runs along the border with mexico. Chilton says the u. S. Government is not doing enough to protect him and other local ranchers from mexican smugglers. These e ctures werere taken last sar by hidddden camer onn jim prproperty. Hililarious to think that the United States boundary on my 4strandnothing but a a barb wire fence. Jim says the border authorities should replace that with a real fans plus checkpoioints and more frequent patrols. Right now, the nearerest border station is about three houours nonorth of here. Whyhy not have a wall and ros , and why not allow people to come into this country legally . Believeid not really trumps boasting when it came to his prowess with women. Do you believe his claims about building a wall . Followthink he will through if elected . Why not . I think he could do it. He might not get mexico to pay for it as he says he will, but he can do what that rancher said. There already is along the rio protectiveole lot of devices. All he needs to do is increase that. Of course he can do it. He is part of a trend. We have just a few minutes left, and i really would like to come back to the question posed earlier on about what happens on the day after. Two of you agree that the day will be in the hands of Hillary Clinton. One of you believes it could be in the hands of donald trump. Regardless of who you think will win, a lot of ghosts has been let out of the bottle in the course of this election. We have had some of the most vulgar, poisonous discourse we have ever seen in a u. S. Election. What happens after this election . How does the u. S. Come back from that . The most important question is if republicans will have a majority in the house and senate. They would just continue what they did when obama was president , obstruct every kind nopolicy and claim there was political aim worth fighting for. Words, that is exactly the recipe for a continuation of what we have now. The paralysis and polarization. Exactly, and that is something republicans apparently do notot understanand. I do not have the feeling paul ryan understands why republicans are losingowower. Aey still think that it is very good idea to just continue constructing policy or politics. The basic issue that has to be addressed is that the majority of americans lose out. For the last 40 years, salaries in real terms have not risen for the majority, but everything became more expensive. Summarizing middleclass income in the past year. Yes, but you can look at statistics for the last 40 years. Nothing happened for the majority. At the same time, everything became more expensive, especially university. That was why there was such a big student unrest. Thats why they supported bernie sanders. And you really have to address these issues if you want the United States to be a country that can be ruled. Another aspect we have seen some very strong denigrating of u. S. Institutions on behalf of donald trump. Your paper found the most this serving aspect of the most recent debate not the discussion of the sex tape, but Donald Trumps call for a special prosecutor who would throw Hillary Clinton in jail. That is not t u. S. Constitutionl democracy. That does does that do u. S. Ng damage to institutions . Is certainly test those institutions, and i think we need to ask ourselves the very basic question what is democracy . , as a german historian said one of his last interviews before he died sadly earlier this year democracy must be defended, is what he said. I think that is the basic question we all have to ask ourselves. Kind of forget all this storm and drank about every peccadillo of mr. Trump kind of forget drang aboutrm and every peccadillo of mr. Trump every email of mrs. Clinton and move beyond those particular issues to the basic question of what we will do with our future. We all know the world is changing rapidly. Some of the reason why we have seen people like mr. Trump rise is because people are looking for what they perceive to be certainty in a very quickly shifting world. So it is up to us to sort of orient ourselves toward our basic values, and there, the question is will the Republican Party finally sort of , and will itate continue to have influence through the senate and house, or is there a prospect of a democratic majority . Briefly, if you would please, what happens to donald trump himself . You say he is not finished and he will go back to business as usual . He forms a misogynistic party to fight Hillary Clinton. If he is in the presidency, he also forms a fascist party to ensure the continuation of his rule. If he loses, america is even more divided than it is now. That is what he is going to do. Very dystopian last words. Thank you very much to all of you for being with us today and thanks to all of you out there for tuning in. See you simply. See you soon. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] nnn . nnwc07qwqwobbb announcer this is a production of China Central television america. Lee Leonardo Da Vinci once said that simplicity is the ultimate form of sophistication. This weeks full frame, guests are proving that simple ideas to foster change can have the most profound impact. Im may lee in los angeles. Lets take it full frame. Welcome back. See this bar of soap . Well, did you know it has the power to prevent millions of deaths worldwide . According to the world health organization, pneumonia and diarrheal disease are two of the leading causes of death among children under 5 years old, and both can be prevented by access to simple Hygiene Products that a lot of us take for granted. Shawn seipler is on a mission to save millions of lives with soap while at the same Time Offering programs to protect the environment. Hes the founder of the nonprofit clean the world, the Largest Global recycler of hotel Hygiene Products. Since launching the effort in orlando, florida, in 2009, clean the world has doled out more than 30 million bars of soap to children and families in a hundred countries around the world. Shawn seipler joins us now f frm orlando to tell us more about this fantastic program. Shawn, welcome to full frame. Seipler thank you, may. It is my pleasure to be here. Lee well, listen, shawn. I know that, uh, you got this idea in a hotel room. It was, like, a light bulb moment. Tell me what happened there. Seipler yeah. In 2009, i was a frequent traveler. Uh, i ran a Global Sales Team for a technology company, and i was typically on the road 4 nights a week traveling from one city to another, and as i traveled from city to city, i never took the little bar of soap and the little bottle of shampoo with me. Lee uhhuh. Seipler so one day in a hotel room, i was very curious as to what happened to those itemsms when i was done using them, and i called the front desesk at the hotel and asked what happened to the soap when i was done with it, and, of course, they told me that they throw it away, which i thought was a really interesting answer and probably a lot of waste. Lee yeah. Seipler so i did some research at the time and figured out that in the United States, we were throwing away about a million bars of soap every single day. Lee wow seipler which, of course, was a huge amount of waste, yeah, and so i did some more research and tried to figure out, you know, couldcould we recycle soap, was there a way to take dirty soap and turn it into new soap, andand there was very simple ways of melting it down and reforming it into new bars, uh, but thekind of the light bulb moment for clean the world was when we found studies that showed that two of the top killers of children worldwide, as you mentioned, pneumonia and diarrheal disease, which at the time, killed 9,000 children under the age of 5 every single day, that the lee every day. Thats phenomenal. Seipler every single day. Lee wow. Seipler thethe beautiful opportunity was, these studies showed that if we just gave those children soap and taught them how and when to wash their hands, that we could cut those deaths in half, so that light bulb moment was a million bars of soap being thrown away, 9,000 children underer the age of 5 dying every day to diseases preventable by soap and hygiene education, and so how do we make that connection happen, and that was how we birthed clean the world. Lee but theres a crucial element there, shawn, that not a lot of folks would be able to take that concept and that realizationuh, which is a major, uh, realization, you know, not knowing that that happens, 9,000 kids die every dayto then make it a reality, right, so you were so committed to this idea, you left your job. You left your career and committed 100 of your time and effort to o this. Seipler thats correct. You know, ii have 4 children. Um, i had a moment sitting on my bed where sort of, you know, the heavens opened up, andand, i guess, that moment happened, and, to me, it was a very simple math problem that could have profound results, uh, a million bars of soap being thrown away, 9,000 children dying, and i just got to figure out how to take the million bars. Lee yeah. Seipler recycle it, and get it to the 9,000 children, so really at thahat moment, it seememed ay easy response, i think, because of the way i was reared to want to help others, toto want to help those who were, uh, hurting, um, but, of course, i lee yeah, but what about execution, shawn . I mean, you have to actually make this work, right, so technically speaking, you have to figure out how youre gonna get the soap and how youre gonna get it made and how youre gonna get the hotels to agree to give you the soap, so what werewhat were the logistics behind how you actually made this work . Seipler yeah. Well, you know, when i first jumped in, iim one of those that just sort of jumps in the water and doesnt know how deep it is. Lee ok. Seipler and that was clearly the case inwith clean the world. Uh, you know, very quickly after leaving my job, ii was able to get my family members together, and we got into a singlecar garage in downtown orlando, and we started approaching hotels in Central Florida with this concept, uh, to put a recycling bin in their hotel. We would ask their housekeepers as they clean the rooms every day to, instead of throwing away the soap and bottled amenities, to please put them in little bags that would make their way down to our bins, and we would then figure out how to pick it up and bring it into our singlecar garage, uh, cooking recycling center, uh, where, if you could picture in ainin an a small garage, we all sat around on upsidedown pickle buckets with potato peelers, and we would scrape the outside bars of sosoap and when they wee scraped, we thenen had a mea grininder that would grind it t, andand then n we had 4 4 cooks that were cooking the e soap ino a paste and, uh, you know, all this effort, uh, for 500 bars of soap, uh, you know, in those early days, and that was a huge day for us. Lee yeah. Wow. Seipler um, so, yeah, we it was pretty crazy. Lee yeah. I mean, thats, like, grassroots effort right there, handson. Seipler thats right, and, uhbut, you know, hotels were very interested in the concept becacause they saw this waste every day. Lee right. Seipler uh, they were really interested in the concept of getting soap to those in need globally, and oftentimes in the hotel, the housekeeper comes from a country of need, uh, maybe sending money and other resources back toto their home country of need. Lee mmhmm. Seipler so a lot of those things resonated with the hotels early on. It just became a matter of how operationally do we do it and then, of course, how do we create aa Financial Model that was going to allow us to scale the business, continue the business, which was also a very, very tricky part ofof the early days. Lee right, right, and i know that, like you just mentioned, the hotels were willing to contribute because they also saw the waste, so you have some really big Hotel Partners now, dont you . Seipler we do. Wewe wereearly on in Central Florida, Walt Disney World resorts came on board, which was aa huge name for us. When wewhen we first launched into vegas, uh, caesars entertainment, uh, brought us to vegas, and shortly after that, uh, sands, the venetian, palazzo, andand wynn encore came on board. Um, sands helped us go to asia, uh, and so we launched in macau and hong kong, uh, not too long after that andand have some great brands like Mandarin Oriental and hilton and marriott and starwood that, uhthat operate our program globally, so the hotels, inin terms of the impact, both environmental and social impact that we could drive, were absolutely on board. We then had to also convince them, uh, on the financial aspect, uh, and so we had to you know, in 2009, the economy was inwas in very rough shape, and so having a completely philanthropic model did not work for us early on. Uh, we actually went broke very quickly and almost never got out of that garage, uh, so we had to ask hotels to not only participate from an operational standpoint, but we needed them to participate from a financial standpoint, and so we had to create a model, uh, whereby hotels bought the recycling program, andand so they had to see value in it not just from a internal impact standpointwhat it means, you know, to their employees, to the guests, to the environmentbut it also had to make sense financially because that was the only way we were gonna be able to scale the organization, and thank goodness those brands that i mentioned. Lee yeah. Seipler uh, did that, saw the value, and got behind us i inn every way possible. Lee and obviously now its really working quite well, so lets talk about the impact that youve seen since you started this program around the world. I mean, as i read in the intro, youre in a hundred countries, right, this program, so tell me about the direct impact that youve seen on these communities, on these kids. Seipler that has been the most inspiring and fulfilling, uh, part of clean the world, being able to see the communities that were touching, the individuals that we are helping. Uh, when we started, there were 9,000 children under the age of 5 that were dying, uh, to these two diseases. Today we fastforward 7 years later, weve reduced that death rate by more than 35 . Uh, there are now less than 6,000 children that are dying every day to those two diseases. Its still a child every 15 seconds, so theres still a lot of work to do. Lee right. Seipler but we have some great programming on the ground in kenya, uh, in haiti, uh, in the philippines, as well as we work with a number of Great Organizations like children international, uh, Operation Christmas child, world vision, the american red cross, uh, International Red cross. Uh, these organizations are taking our product and inserting them into their wash programs, and so theyre addressing, uh, clean water and sanitation and health and hygiene. Lee right. Seipler we just had a program. We just got some results back. There are 4,000 schoolchildren, for instance, in kenya, uh, who are in auh, in a very tough area, an area, some of it, controlled by, uh, uh, the alshabaab terrorist organization, and so these kids oftentimes, uh, the girls who are going to school areare sort of forbidden to go, so when they go, its a risk for them to go into the classroom. When we went into this community, there was an 80 , um, uh, infectious rate of diarrheal disease. Uh, weve handed out soap on a regular basis. Weve educated, uh, the children in these schools, and the first reports back are a 62 reduction in that rate of infectious disease, so. Lee thats incredible, shawn. Seipler itsits a huge result. Lee 62 . Seipler thats right. Its a huge percent, a huge reduction, so, you know, that that invigorates us. That inspires us tototo want to do more. Were now launching another program in tanzania. That program is actually supported by starwood, as well, so some of our corporate Hotel Partners are now jumping in on the impact, uh, Development Side of what we do so that we can do even more from a mission perspective, uh, so thats been a huge result. Um, weve sent a couple million bars of soap to haiti since the earthquake. Weve been able to see firsthand that impact, so just ajust a grgreat part ofof what were doing is thatthat Mission Impact side. Lee because it is so amazing when you think about it. Its such a simple concept that just washing your hands and just better hygiene with a bar of soap can make such an enormous impact in that way, and seethe fact that youre seeing it and doing it firsthand, i mean, you know, you dont need more proof than that that something so simple can literally change the world. Seipler youre exactly right. I mean, we went throughin the developed world, we went through a hygiene revolution, uh, the United States. In europe, it happened in the early 1900s. Uh, we sort of accidentallya doctor one day delivering babies started washing his hands in between those deliveries and realized that the mortality rate of theof theof the babies started to reduce when he was washing his hands, and thats how sort of soap and hygiene came into, uh, you know, the medical industry andand really, thethe developed, uh, world, so wherewhereby we have that in ouryou know, in our society, so many in the underdeveloped do not havedo not understand that. They dont have a culture of hygiene. They dont have thethe resources and the means. Lee right. Uh, the supply demands just not there, so were really addressing those areas that very simply justjust need toto have soap andandand know how and when to wash their hands. Lee right. Shawn, i got to ask you aa pragmatic question, and im sure a lot of people ask you this, as well, but when it comes to sanitizing the soap thats been used, you mentioned in theyou know, in the starting days, you guys would just use a potato peeler and just peel the soap, but how do you ensure that the soap is genuinely sanitized before you make it into new soap and send it out . Seipler yeah. Its a great question. So we do regular testing on our soap. We have a company that we send soap to on a quarterly basis. They test our soap to ensure that its free of any, uh, pathogens or any, uh, uh, uh, bad, you know, diseases or items on them. Through our recycling process as we surfaceclean and sterilize soap, we are constantly heating it up and then cooling it down again and then heating it up, andand through that heating process, soap naturally disinfects itself, so it is its actually cleaning itself. Wwe dont need to add the sterilization, um, uh, chemicals that we add to it, which we do on a very, very small basis. We do it nonetheless, but actually, the act ofof heating, uh, itself up, soap actually disinfects and is cleaned, and, again, we test it on a regular basis to ensure that thats the case. Lee ok. Well, th the social impact and the hygiene impact onon these, uh, various communities that youre helping out is incredible, but we should also mention the environmental impact, uh, the positive impact this is havivin, because its amazing when you think about hotels and all the little bottles and the packaging every day thats used by guests in the hotel and what kind of a negative Environment Impact that has, so your definitely, with this program, also taking that out of the equation, too, right . Seipler that is correct. We have 4,000 hotels that run our program across north america, europe, and asia. We recycle about 750,000 hotel rooms on a daily basis, and in 7 years, we have diverted 18 Million Pounds of waste from landfills, uh, on those continents, so its a huge environmental impact. There are millions of bottles that are going into landfills every single day. Uh, the Hotel Industry is one of the largest, uh, creators of waste, but its great to see the industry really, uh, uh, you know, figuring out sustainable programs, initiatives, technologies, uh, so that they can become more sustainable, and again, i think that that response to our program has been one of those answers whereby theythey see the soap and the bottles going into landfills. They dont want that to occur, and instead, wewe bring a social impact, uh, result which is even better, uh, sort of a winwinwin. Lee yeah. Seipler but its been a great sustainability and environmental story. Lee so, shawn, do you think theres gonna come a day where youre gonna be able tothrough this program and, obviously, the efforts of a lot of other folks and a lot of other companiesthat were gonna be able to really almost eradicate, you know, these diseases that can be simply remedied by just better hygiene . Seipler without a doubt, uh, we believe so. Weve already seen a 35 reduction, uh, in the death rate because of the efforts ofof clean the world and other organizations thatthat are really focused from a wash perspective and from a clean water perspective. Lee mmhmm. Seipler we see great movement, for instance, in india, uh, a country of 1. 2 billion. Uh, over 600 million do not have toilets, and the Prime Minister there recently said that, you know, we need to build moremore toilets than we do temples, so were seeing that hygiene and sanitation isis at the forefront, uh, in a lot ofof countries thatthat so desperately need it from an attention standpoint, so i do believe that these are simple answershygiene, uh, sanitationvery simple answers to, uhto problems that, uhthat we see, you know, over a death rate thatthat isthat can easily be prevented. Lee right. Right. Seipler s so, yes, we really believe that we will eradicate, uh, those two top killers of children through these hygiene efforts. Lee what a phenomenal goal that would be to achieveve. Um, final question, shawn. Any other projects that you guys have in mind for clean the world . Seipler yeah. Yeah. We have seen a tremendous response from our volunteer community who come to our facilities, either in orlando, las vegas, uh, montreal, uh, hong kong, and they volunteer with us. They engage in giving back and serving and helping others. That has really been one of the really cool outcomes thatsort of unattended outcomes that weve seen. We need that help in order to uh, to process the products and get them sorted andandand get them recycled. Lee yeah. Seipler and so we really see a great opportunity to take that model and mobilize it andand perhaps leverage those 4,000 hotels that we have which are already places where people come to. They meet. Theytheythey rest. Theythey do a number of things. They dine. Theythey come there, and so, you know, can we take that volunteering and mobilize it across the world so that, uh, individuals and communities can do something that i really believe everybody innately has inin their dna, and that is to want to serve and help others. Lee yeah. Seipler and so we really see that as something well do in the future, bringing thatthat opportunity to volunteer, to help, to serve, andand bring it into the community, mobilizing it, uh, across different various communities where our Hotels Partners are so that we can engage so many who, uh, you know, in their dna want to help and serve others. Lee rigight. Right. Well, shawn, it takes one person, right, to make a difference and then you cause that r Ripple Effect around the world, so congratulations on the success of clean the world and what youre doing, so thank you so mucuch, shawn. Great, great to talk to you. Seipler thank you, may. Great talking to you, as well. Lee all right. Well, coming up next, one American Company is saving the worlds children one nutrition bar at a time. According to unicef, close to 160 million children under the age of 5 are chronically undernourished worldwide, and around 3 million of these children die due to undernutrition every year. Our next guest is providing a solution by producing simple products that are full of micronutrients to treat and prevent malnutrition in developing countries. Navyn salem is the founder of edesia, a nonprofit, u. S. Based food aid company. Her organization has reached over 3. 5 million children in 46 countries since starting production in its providence, rhode island, facility in 2010. Navyn joins s us now Fromm Providence to tell us more about edesias mission to save as many lives as possible in the developing world. Navyn, welcome to the show. Salem thank you, may. Lee well, let me ask you, of course, uh, wwhy did you start this . What triggered you to begin this mission to, uh, nourish malnutritmalnourished kids all over the world . Salem yeah, so there were a couple of different factors. Um, one is, uh, that my father is from tanzania originally. Um, i have a business background and also 4 daughters, and it was kind of those 3, uh, things pieced together that, uh, began edesia and the creation of a social enterprise thats mission is to treat and prevent malnutrition for those children that are most vulnerable, and so i did my Research Back in tanzania, uh, where my father, grandparents, and greatgrandparents all are from originally. Lee so obviously, you had traveled to the area, so did you witness firsthand what was happppening to these children . Salem absolutely. I mean, ive been face to face with kids and their mothers who are going through really tough challenges, uh, especially in times of drought or conflictct d wars, uh, and Natural Disasters, umum, that are a trouble inin these countries all the time, and being face to face with these mothers is really challenging, um, to be a parent and to raise children, uh, in these kinds of situations, and so i realized that, you know, malnutrition really shouldnt be kikilling childrdren in thiy and age. We know what thethe problem is and the solution, and theres a really easy way to be able to solve this problem. Lee the one thing, um, i wanted to ask you about, uh, one of t e productsts that you create is called plumpynutuh, one of the most populular, i guessand its also literally lifechanging to those who consume it, the kids who actually take it in. There are some transformative stories that you have, but i want to take a look at a picture of a before and after, uh, of a child who was takingeating the plumpynut. This was beforeso very, very undernourished, obviouslyand this is her after. Thats remarkable, so is this a typical transformation . Salem absolutely, and so this transformation took place over a 6week time period, and i think thatats what lee 6 weeks . Thats it . Salem absoluteyeah. 6 weeks and about 50 worth of fortified Peanut Butter is able to make this transformation, um, and just to be clear, i didnt inventlulumpynut. It was creat b by, rlly,y, a llaboratn of people. A a ench food engineer, uh, dd nutrititnist andand hehers, reallyolollaboted d toome upup with tsese forlas,s, a the reason thaththeyrere revolutionar t they me i in sachet that looks like this. This is plumpynut, um, and its really revolutionary because it doesnt need to be mixed with water or refrigerated, and these are two things that are just arent available in the developing world, and so this enabled us to be able to reach children, um, in really rural parts of the world who werent able to be reached in the past, uh, and so to be able to make this change, really drastic change, i mean, sometimes, im looking for an earring or a braid or something on a child to even recognize that its the same child because theyve changed so significantly over those 6 weeks. Lee iim stunned to hear that itit only took 6 weeks for this little girl to become healthy again, so tell me obviously, these products are full of nutrients, micronutrients, as theyre called. Tell me why micronutrients are so important when it comes to nourishing undernourished and malnourished kids . Salem m yup, so the plumpynut formula is peanuts, sugar, vegetable oil, um, milk popowde, and the vitamins and minerals, and it really is the, uh, milk powder and the vitamins, minerals, the micronutrients that are critical to be able to achieve growth at that high rate, and, um, Little People need, uh, the micronutrients to develop their brains and their bodies, and if we dont deliver those micronutrients during this critical window of opportunity, then it is lost. We cannot regain that intellectual capacity later in life, and so if we want children to learn in schools, if we want them to live Productive Lives and do well and get good jobs in their futures, we really need to make sure that we intervene at these critical times, um, to deliver the micronutrients, or the effects are irreversible, and the fact that we h have something so simple that can make this lifelong impact, to not do it is really, uh, you know, a really lost opportunity and something that wewe cant afford to not Pay Attention to. Lee i totally a agree with you, navyn, so, uh, in terms ofyou said 6 weeks for this little girl that we just saw photos of. Is that the average amount of time that aa child should be eating your product, and, if so, how often . Howhow many times a day are they supposed to consume the product . Lee ok, so typically, theyre going into health clinics, and were working with existing Health Care Systems and health care workers, and its like a food by prescription, and so based on the childs height and age and nutritional status, um, on average, theyre getting about 3 packets per day, and this is aa full, um, daily allotment, and so if theyre able to take this, between 6 and 10 weeks, we do expect a full recovery. None of these products are intended to replace traditional foods or anything of the sort. Its really to bridge during these, uhthese critical times ofof emergency, really. Lee mmhmm. Salem um, inin the many different ways that they come about, and so were here toto help bridge that gap so that children not only survive, but have the, uh, opportunity to thrive, as well. Lee wondering, though, um, wt happens after theyre done with the treatment . They become healthy, but theyre still kids, and theyre still growining, and they still need e nutrients, so is there some sort of follow through . Uh, what if they cant get the proper nutrition after they finish the program . Salem yup. Thats a great question, so, i mean, every scenario is really very different. Um, traditionally, you know, plumpynut could be used, um, during the lean season, during a hunger gap, so if you imagine that your familys harvest is two months out, and thats the time where youll see a spike in malnutrition wards, uh, filling up with children because the parents have run out of money. They dont quite have enough supplies to be able to get them to that point, and thats when we come in and kind of cover that gap. Once the harvest, it comes in, um, theyre able to get back up on their feet, so we might have an exit program where they are still coming in to feeding centers, but we know that soon theyll be well on their way, and whether its a, um, Natural Disaster or emergency, um, similar in those situations, were there during that, the the crux of the emergency, and as they are able to get back up on their feet, then we, um, you know, can move them to their traditional foods and, uh, market supplies ofof what they would normally consume. Lee i got to ask you, though, navyn youyou are a mother of 4, and youre doing this at the same time. Um, i mean, i wowould call you superwoman, but, i mean, whatswhats your secret . That musti mean, thats got to be tough. Salem it is, definitely. I cant lie. Um, ive gotten pretty good at multitasking. Lee yeah. Salem and im not sure which is more challenging, being a mom of 4 girls or trying to feed a million children a year, and i would actually have to say that probably being mom isis the hardest but most rewarding job, uh, and it makes feeding a million, um, seem actually a little bit easier. My girls will be surprised to hear that, im sure, but lee um, ha ha pretty funny comparison, but, uhbut the fact that youre doing both, i commend you, for sure. Um, lets talk about funding. Uh, how do you get your funding, uh, for your programs, and, um, is that steadily increasing as the word gets out on the work that youre doing . Salem yup. Yeah. I mean funding so were set up as a social enterprise, which means that were selling our products to unicef, to world food program, and the u. S. Government, uh, and theyre working with thethe smaller groups to do distributions, as well, all the way down to theto the field level and that individual clinic level. Lee right. Salem and funding is always going to be part of the problem. Lee mmhmm. Salem um, you know, it is increasing, andand, uh, governments understand the importance of addressing nutrition, uh, in terms of looking at their whole countrys health andand potential for, you know, uh, increasing gdp, even. I mean, impact is that large, and so theythey realize that we need to invest more, but, of course, um, you know, its never quite enough, andand its very difficult to balance resources, especially when we have, uh, a syrian refugee crisis over here, and we have one of the worst droughts in over 30 years in ethiopia and we have postebola work going on in west africa. I mean, theres a lot of problems in the world, and so trying to balance where were able to direct solutions is going to always be a challenge, um, but at least we know that the places that we are able to reach, like syria and ethiopia and west africa, were able to see, uh, the results andand the impact and hope to continue to do better each time. Theres always room for improvement, and theres always room for more funding necessary, as well. Lee you know, uh, i was also really fascicinated, andnd i tht it was grereat that, uh,h, your plant and your, um, business here in rhode island, uh, you actually employ, uh, former refugees, uh, who have come from different parts of the world, so that, obviously, was another mission of yours, to try to help those here whove come to the states. Salem right, absolutely. I mean, no one can understand beining in the position of needg to depend on help from somebody else, and no refugee thinks that theyre going to be put in this situation, uh, andand isnt prepared for that. They had normal lives with great jobs and families and everything, and the next day, youre put in a situation where youre depending on someone else for youryour next meal. Lee yeah. Salem and so the people who work with me at edesia, uh, really understand. Theyve lived through these experiences before, and thats what motivates them and motivates the rest of our team, uh, to work as hard as we do to get orders out on time, to make sure that the quality is the highest it can, and thenand we do it for the least, uhthe most efficient process that we can do. Because of their stories and their strength and their resilience that they teach us every day isis really what makes us special and like a family at our company. Lee so im sure every packet of your product is made with love and, uh, a lot more dedepth to t than just, like, churnining it out, which is great to hear. Um, one last queuestion. Salem absolutely. Lee how can people donate to edesia . Where should we go for that . Salem so you can go to edesianutrition. Org, and every little bit helps. Even a 50 donation equals one life, and that one life iscan be revolutionary and lifechanging to that family, and, um, so every little bit helps. Please go to our website. Check out the information that we have. Learn a little bit more about us, um, and help us. We need all the help we can get to really make an even bigger impact, uh, inin the years to come, so i appreciate the opportunity. 50 to save a life. Thats pretty extraordinary. Navyn, thank you so much for your time, and, um, the work youre doing is incredible, so thank you for sharing your story. Salem t thank you so much, may. Lee well be right back to meet a social entrepreneur who is giving fashionistas the chance to help School Children in africa. Stay with us. According to a 2013 unesco study, a staggering 124 million children a and adolescents do nt have access to formal primary ededucation. The numbers may actually be higher but the tools and measurements to get more accurate figures arent really available. One person whos trying to lower those numbersa social entrepreneur, matthew clough. His Company Stone cloth, specializing in backpacks and totes, donates a portion of its proceeds to a Scholarship Fund for tanzanian schoolchildren to ensure that their classroom time is supported and subsidized, and to think, this all started when matt climbed Mount Kilimanjaro. Matt clough joins me now from detroit, michigan, to fill us in. Hey, matt, welcome to full l frame. Clough hey, thanks so much for having me. Lee youre welcome. Well, matt, as i just said, uh, this all began because you climbed a really High MountainMount Kilimanjaro. How did this all come about . What happened . Clough yeah, so, i mean, itit started i wasi was in college at the time, just really, um, excited about and kind of obsessed with climbing mountains, and a buddy and i both wanted to climb the 7 summits which is the highest peak on every continent. Lee wow. Clough and we had the chance to go to africa to climb Mount Kilimanjaro andand check one of those mountains off the list, so, um, i ventured out and started training and, uh, you know, uh, ended up going to africa and, uh, climbed Mount Kilimanjaro, um, so thats how it happened, and its the onlyout of the 7 summits, its the only one that ive accomplished, but. Lee ok. Ok. Clough uh, hopehope to get to a few others in the future. Lee ok, but you got sidetracked because, obviously, you decided to start this company that was gonna help educate children in africa, so tell me where that all came about and how you were inspired to do that. Clough of course, so i was um, as i was climbing the mountain, when youre climbing Mount Kilimanjaro, you have porters with you, and theyre waking you up with tea. Theyre cooking your meals. Theyre carrying your heavy rucksack because youre just sort of carrying, like, a small daypack, um, and over the course of the 4 days climbing up to the summit, uh, you get to knonow tm pretty well, pretty intimately, and theyre just the most charismatic, wonderful people. Um, there was one in particular, benson, that ii really just sort of connected with, he was just such a cool guy, um, and then i started learning more about just sort of, like, the area in tanzania, um, and learned that some of them dont get work often enough and sometimes dont get paid enough to put their children through school, so i came home. I kind of had this, uh, reverse Culture Shock when i got home after being over in tanzania and really just wanted to do something to help, um, and knew that i wanted to do it about education. Um, i went to school for design. I grew up sort of creating. Ive always been a creative guy, so i thought, why dont i design a backpack that sort of represents the backpack that i used going to School Every Day . Lee oh. Clough andand then partner with a nonprofit andand have your purchase provide 25 classroom hours, uh, for a student over there, so, uh, thats how it started. Lee right, soso your effort, obviouslsly, is grassroots because you kind of started on your own, and yoyou designed the backpacks and totes on your own, so what was that like, just Getting Started in that way . Clough yeah. I mean, so i whenwhen i started, ii had just graduated from college. Um, i had another job at the time, and i literally had to borrrrow 250 so i could buy aa used sewing machine and some and buy some canvas, so i wasi was actually the one that made the first 20 or 25 backpacks. Lee wow. Clough um, selling them to friends, and then i kind of realized that wasnt, you know, very scalable, um, at which point we found somesome factories and some sew shops in los angeles that now produce all the goods for us. Lee ok. Lets talk about who this benefits. Um, asas i mentioned in the intro, you know, youre trying to help those who arent getting the proper education, helping to subsidize actual classrooms and supplies, so tell me a little bit where the money goes and how its used. Clough yeah, of course, so, um, like i said, your purchase provides 25 hours of classroom learning for students. Thats sort of the baseline. Weve helped out with other stuff, with lunch programs and and School Supplies and, you know, help out where we can beyond that, uh, but primarily, i really just focused on providing scholarships, and we do that with, uh, a nonprofit partner. Um, we found a nonprofit partner called Knock Foundation. Uh, they have their boots on the ground in the foothills of kilimanjaro. They have a scholarship program, so what they do is, they vet different students that really want to be in the classroom. They have a great vision for their future, but dont necessarily have the resources to get to the classroom andand actually go to school, so, um, i knew that, you know, iim not theim not the expert in education. I knew that i really wanted to partner with people that knew what they were doing. Lee right. Clough um, and we found this Great Organization thatthatt really seemed towe just sort of clicked with them. Theyre a small organization. We also knew exactly where our money was going to be going, uh, and really trusted them to do so, soand also, you know, just reallyi feel like theirtheir values were aligned with ours, and, uh, it just felt like the right partnership. Lee and since you started stoneetone cloth, how many kids or how many schools have you been able to help so far . Clough yeah, so were onwere on track right now. The way that we sort ofourour, you know, ticker or marker isis how many, uh, classroom hhours we havewe have supported, and. Lee ok. Clough were on track to provide over 25,000 classroom hours, uh, for s students, um, d as were starting to figure out how tohow to continue to grow, uh, were thinking about bringing on different partners, um, and, uh, you know, hopefully, well continue toto push thatpush that forward. Lee um, let me go back, though, in terms of how you go about choosing the kids who you subsidize, uh, in the classroom hours that you give. Youyou mentioned vetting, um, and i know you do a lot of that, and that also includes vetting the families, too, because thats an important factor in the success of theof the kid, right . Clough absolutely. Yeah. Um, thatsi mean, thats a really big part of it, and thats a big part of the reason why weve partnered with the people that weve partnered with, isis you know, ii mean, first first and foremost, itsits, you know, when i wanted to help, itit was because there was that problem. I think thethe first thing to do is really start with asking questions and figure out, like, if you want to help someone figure out what they actually want and then go from there. Lee yeah. Clough um, so making sure that these students actually want to be in the classroom waswas really, really important, and also making sure that they have, like, a vision for their future was also important. Beyond that, i mean, um, you know, ifif they didnt have the support at home, uh, from their family, then chances are they were gonna be really distracted in the classroom. Lee true. Clough and werent gonna be getting the benefits of actually being there, so, um, one thing that the Knock Foundation does is, they make sure that they the entire family understands the value of the scholarship so that theyre getting the most out of it. One specific story, uh, i was talking to kim from, uh, knock, and she was explaining to me that they had a student in the scholarship program, um, but he wasnt eating hishis lunch. What he was doing was, he was he was taking his lunch home to share it with his family. Lee oh, man. Clough andandand when it comes to being in the classroom, like, ifif these kids arent eating, then theyre not gonna be able to focus. Theyre gonna be very distracted. They have all this other stuff on their mind, so, like, really just making sure that, you know, thethethe family environment isis positive and theyre alsoyou know, theres food and the basic needs areare taken care of is lee right. Clough is really important. Lee right, right. The support system has to be there, but, boy, how heartbreaking that he was taking his food home to help out his family, too. Clough i knowow. Yeah. Lee um, matt,t, whats next for you guys, then . You just keep doing what youre doing, or do you have sosome expansion plans . Well, whatats next . Clough yeah. I mean, you know, a reallya really sort of, like, big thing for us isis really just focusing on ourour primary objective, you know . We really just want to be aa business thats valuable to the world, and weve sort of found, um, you know, sort of, like, where wewhere we hang our hat is really, you know, providing these, umthese jobs in the u. S. Andand making really, really highquality products in america, uh, and then providing scholarships, so, uh, were really just hoping to be a part of this movement of, uh, social businesses that really want to use business as a force for good. Lee yeah. W well, i think t ts a great mission, and, matt, i share your love of climbing. I actually went to everest and climbed up to kala p patthar. Clough oh, my gosh. Wow. Lee so you might want to go there next if you have the time. Clough yeah. Thatthat might that might have to be my next stop, for sure. Lee ok. All right, matt. Thank you so much for your time. Clough of course. Thank you. Lee great, great work youre doing, love your products, and good luck to you guys. Clough thank you so much. Lee ok. Well, coming up next, this weeks full frame closeup, so stay with us. This weeks full frame closeup is a profile in crosscultural curiosity. Now a resident of boston, dr. Nancy berliner lived in china for many years. She spent her time there studying the language and culture and collecting historical artifacts, artifacts that many Chinese People themselves arent privy to. Now working for the museumum of fine arts in boston as a curator, nancy still travels to china often, uncovering treasures that help both the chinese and americans gain a better appreciation for the rich history of china. Full frame visited with nancy in boston, where she is hard at work on her latest project. Berliner i think itit broadens a persons mind to understand that other cultures approach aspects of daily life in different manners. One of the aspects of Chinese Culture that i really enjoy is the depth of history that one can see in almost any object, so you look at a painting, and you can see references to many different aspects of history, of the culture, to thinking and expressions. S. I had studied art inas an undergraduate as well as chinese, and then i ended up going to the Central Academy of ararts in beijing, and though i had wanted to study painting, chinese painting, while i was there, i was actually put into the chinese art history course. Suddenly, i was exposed to the wonderful history of chinese art and chinese painting and got excited about that history, got interested in all different types of chinese art. I wrote a book and put together an exhibition at the same titime and traveled it around the United States, and beforore i kw it, i suddenly was a curator of chinese art. When i first came to the museum of fine arts, i gave a talk, and a woman stood up, and she was holding 8x10 photograph of a guanyin sculpture, and it was a sculpture that we now have in the song galleryry, and she sai, when is this object coming back on view . And i said, i have no idea. Ive just arrived here, but i will find out, and what i discovered is that this is an object that came to the museum in 1920, and it was on view in the museum until 1999, and it was a very muchloved sculpture, and it had been off of view and in storage because it needed some conservation, and since its been back out on display, so many people american people, people who have no connection to Chinese Culturehave come up to me and said, this is my favorite object in the whole museum, and im so glad its back on display. Its called the bodhisattva of compassion, and its really touching to see how this object that was made almost a thousand years ago in a country thousands and thousands of miles away, very different time, a very different culture, but somehow it touches people. The museum of fine arts is privileged to have an incredible collection of song art. Now, the song dynasty goes from 960 to 1279 in china, and the song dynasty was a very urbanized culture. They had a much more conceptual and abstract concept of art, and in putting together this gallery, really what i wanted to do was give our visitors, our contemporary visitors, a sense of the song aesthetic, thethe sense of refinement andand refinement through restraint. [birds chirping] i have been involved in a project in the forbidden city for over the past 10 years. The project is the qianlong garden conservation project, and im an advisor to world monuments fund, whwho collababos with the palace mumuseum on this project. We discovered more things behind other artworks that had been hidden for 250 years that were in absolutely perfect condition because they had been covered up for so long, and we were able to bring these to the United States and exhibit them. The project im working on right now in chinese is called ba hua, 8 brokens, and its a type of painting that arose in the sesecond halfhalf of the 19th century and kind of died away in the middle of the 20th century and was basically forgotten about. Woman ok. Berliner these are paintings that look like somebody took old calligraphies and paintings and old pages from books, ripped them up, burned them, wormholes eaten n through them, and then pasted themem randomlyn a surface of the paper, but instead of these being collages, they were actually trompe loeil. They are painted but painted to look real. Maybe. And when i first saw these, i thought, wow, what is this about . And i thought maybe this is all about being antitradition, just ripping up all the old, wonderful treasures ofof chinese art history, but, n fact, ii slowly learned that it wasas more about nostalgia. A. It was people seeing their old treasures disappearing and deteriorating and pepeople losog respect and interest for these wonderful, ancient treasures. Most people e didnt know anythg about them, and even today i show them toto chinese art historians, and they look atat , and they say, Chinese People did that . And when didid theyo this . . When i look at chinese art, i think of it as chinese visual culture, not just fine art. I look at visual objects that are created by all different types of people within a society, that its not thejust the fine artist with the wellknown signatures, but its also people in the countryside who are making patchwork quilts for their beds, or its people making woodblock prints because they cant afford to have original paintings hanging on their walls. Chinese society is very rich in visual culture, and i think its important to recognize everything that contributes to our visual surroundings. Lee and that does it for this week. Join the conversation with us on social media. We are cctv amererica on twitte, facebook, and youtube, and now you can watch full frame on our new mobile app, available worldwide on any smartphone for free. Get the latest News Headlines and connect to us on facebook, twitter, youtube, and weibo. Search cctv america on your app store to download today, and all of our interviews still can be found online at cctvamerica. Com, and, of course, let us know what you like us to take full frame next. Simply email us at fullframe cctvamerica. Com. Until then, im may lee in los angeles. Thank you so much for watching, and ill see you again next time. oocnnn . nnwc07qwqwo8uxu pp , and i do hope you will enjoy me for an exciting new television series, a a unique inquiuiry ino huhun consciouousness itself. 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