Ga, after brexit is it the end of the eu . Im joined by three excellent panelists. The editor of the opinion page el, in berlin, and he says brexit could be good for europe. Also, derek scully of the irish times who argues brexit is a failure of the european class. And, welcome to hannah cleaver, who joins us straight from the dw news desk. It is difficult to tell who will be the biggest loser from brexit , britain or the eu. I would like to begin with you, martin, because you are the optimist in our ranks today. You say that brexit could be good for the eu. Please explain how. I would love to. Theres just one aspect im optimistic about. The aspect i am optimistic about is what happened in the u. K. Vote. The brexit some people predicted a recession. So people in all of europe, continental europope, now see wt brexit, but going out means. So the alternative, you have europe. It is now as clear as it ever was before. You are now prosperous and not a sovereign as you could be, or you are sovereign and running into recession, so this kind of alternative was not t clear ass it was before the brexit. People thought there would be a classless society, and we could be sovereign and rich. And now you see, this is not going to be as easy as this. I think it is an eyeopener for many people who thought maybe, france a and austria and other countries as well, we could go on the same path and be prosperous and sovereign again. This would not be true, and you see that in the u. K. Peter an optimistic take. Hannah, i sense you might be a little more pessimistic about how the brexit vote might impact the European Union in the weeks and years to come. Hannah the idea that the british economy has collapsed in two weeks is a little prematutu. I dont think it will be that dramatic. That was the argument used by a lot of the remainers, that you come out of the eu and every thing will fall apart, and within months we will live in the e stone age. Thats not going to be quite the case. What could be positive for europe is, if brexit really does happen, whihich is anher question we could didiscuss, but if brexit really does happen, the European Union had better get their act together. They better stop being so gray and boring and distant from people, and gray and boring and unresponsive to these nationalists and national demands, and they had better get their act together and had better start reacting. They had better become the europe that actually has managed to inspire people in the u. K. You saw them demonstrating, sadly too late, but after the brexit vote you had people standing outside westminster with little flags and hearts, instead of the stars of the European Union, saying, we love the eu. It can be a real force for progressivism in the continent, but if it stays boring, g gray, and old, its not going to manage that, and thats one of the good things that could come out of brexit, if it forces the eu to actually become what it could be. Derek heres a tweet from the french ambassador r to washingt. He said, the eu must be saved from unraveling, and then warned it is n now reform or die. Is that too dramatic, reform or die . Hanna i dont think it is. You have to reform, or other countries may end up leaving, and even if they do not leave in such dramatic fashion as what has been voted for by the u. K. , i think the rise of these populist, nationalist parties which are building their support on this kind of inincreasingly widespspread feeling among many people that the eu and also their National Governments are totally out of touch and not doing anything for these people, that kind of movement will expand, will increase. Derek my take is, what has to happen in the eu for some thing to actually change, immediately afterward we had a shock and eu ders saying, we answers need answers to the pressing problems of today. That was stage one. Stage two was offering up what they always have. People in eu said we neeeeded me europepe, and people in berlin said they needed to bypass the European Commission that takes too long, and they will all just head off on Summer Holidays now. So how pressing does the problem have to be to address it . That worries me. We had arguments about how we handle youth and employment, how we ensure common security, but the sooner it gets down to brass tacks, what are we prepared to give up to get something bigger back, greater, crossborder cooperation to drive down youth unemployment, for Border Security . The Member States say, we are not giving up that, and then they blame brussels that nothing has happened. Everyone is accusing everyone else of playing games, of playing clinical games. Everyone says, now is not the time for sunday sermons, going out and trusting the same things we have heard before. So if i was a 25yearold in britain worried about the future in the European Union, i would not be comforted by what i have andd since the brexit vote, for someone living in berlin at my age, i wonder if something has to collapse so Something Better can come out. I see the same old games. A lot of blaming brussels, and a lot of old wine in new bottles. Malte we cannot fall back to the same rhetoric. Brussels is not a dance club, which has to be a attractive or fun. Politics on a supranational level is kind of boring. You have to deal with boring stuff, that not everyone is interested in. Its not the job of brussels to entertain people and to make it more attractive. Thats not their job. They have to make policy. The union came out of the financial recession and the Global Financial crisis quite well, witith some exceptions, bt countries like spain and ireland, and we have trouble with greece and so on. But given what we had in the financial crisis, the politics were not so b bad. We had tons of summits about youth unemployment and what to do about it. You had programs, projects, things like this. So its not that something is lacking inin terms of policy, ad that we need more and more entertainment from brussels. I doubt that will be the solution. Hannah i dodont think we are talking about entertainment. We are talking about showing people what the eu does. We had these ridiculous scenes fromom areas in wales, areas that would be back in the stone age if it had not been for european money, voting to leave. You do have, libraries and schools and roads and bridges and stuff, all funded by the eu, crucial things, and people think it is dull. This is the stuff keeping people out of the salt mines. Malte thats why i think the brexit is good, because you cannot convince people. Billions of dollars is put into the machine in brussels to show people how the European Union works, but it seems to be stronger as a deterrent. Just shows what happens when you pull out. Then you have no bridges, going out of investments, things like this. This could not be more convincing. It is an uncertain situation and we dont know whats coming. But have you heard one new idea . Malte it will work,. Ven with the brexit we dont need to react. Out, and, they pulled lets see what happens. If they really want to pull out, i dont think they will be cut off. It will be bad for europe, but even worse for Great Britain. Anyone i dont see willing to look. They are heading out on holidays. Malte what would you change, aside from attractiveness and not being boring . Derek i would say, why is it the comp addition commission has done one thing after another making people realize that the yous helping, and how do apply that elsewhere . I would go to berlin and stop saying we need to bypass the European Commission. We need to work amongst ourselves. Because berlin would be the beneficiary of that. I would go to Martin Scholz and ask, would you please retire . He has been writing the gravy train for 25 years. Then vote dererek this generation of peoe has failed. This is a failure of the current leadership of the European Union. Peter lets break it up for a second. We have three voices, including martin schultz, and then we will talk some more. We have to renovate the whole structure. Commission, counsel, parliament, citizens, they all have the same problem. We dont know exactly who does what, and who is liable for which decisions. We have become an expert in deciding the amount of flushing water r the toilets, and also the level of says it is that a local Football Club can receive from a local government. I want to turn the European Union into the union of europeans. Thats why in the future, we have to get better at implementing the decisions we have made. Peter hannah cleaver, what do you make of that . [laughter] hannah a lot of boring white men in suits, isnt it . [laughter] you do up on juncker, need to make a europe of europeans, and that is one of the very small grains of hope that actually came out of this brexit night and the days afterwards, was these young people who were demonstrating outside westminster. All the social media, its temping to say it is rubbish, but this is how people communicate these days, how different social movements are born and continue. People were saying, they love the eu, and you can have eueuropeans,s, you can makake it exciting, it should be exciting. This is a europe that has done so much for so many people, and has really i mean, look at eastern europe, pulled a lot of people out of poverty, pulled people into this community of nations where european values, which sounds awful as a phrase, but actually is exciting. Its about human rights. Its about freedom of movement. Its about freedom to determine your own future. It is exciting stuff, if you dont put it in a gray suit. We are the erasmus generation. We tooook it off for granted, ad now people in britain, particularly in the research sector, immediately the porticul lis has come down on research funding. Nobody will get research funding. We are a very apolitical generation, and maybe this is when we realize politics matters bebecause we are feeling it ourselves, so perhaps that is a reason to be optimistic. Peter i was grateful for an article you wrote in the irish times, quoting wolfgang charlotte, saying, more democracy wolfgang schaeuble, saying more democracy, more transparency, and then you wrote that he said that in 1994. The president of the European Commission said, we cannot continue the way things are, the crisis is deep. When he say that . 2005. This point, we have heard it all before. How do we get beyond that . Every time a National Politician blames brussels for something happening, a red light has to come on and everyone has to say, it i is not brussels, a building that says no, it is a bunch of National Politicians who come together and failed to agree and go home again, and that is what happens when brussels says no. Every time that happens, we need a flashing light, saying, hes lying. The other idea is of pooling sovereignty creates a new level of sovereignty. This idea that handing over his losing power. Thats not how the world works. So if you can explain to people how those two things work. Brussels is holding us up . No, its the National Politicians to lock them in the room until they decide. No toilet breaks. [laughter] the other, explain to people that pooled sovereignty is a gain. You are not reducing it, you are expanding it. People in britain are particularly worried we are handing something over, and losing it, but by pooling it you are gaining, and that has never been properly explained, in my view. Peter what is your take . Malte i completely agree with that. We just have to tell the peoplee what europe means. Europe means a union of 28, for maybe 27, sovereign states who decide that maybe going along and giving up a little bit of sovereignty each by themselves will make the whole system stronger. Ass was not as convincing the europeans thought it would be. So that gave rise to the tensions of thousands and thousands of people. Maybe we can pull out, be sovevereign anand rich again. We might see now, with brexit , that this is just an illusion, and maybe one that has to be shown, like what i said before. It was so overwhelmingly convincing, for all the people socialismtrated for until they saw what socialism really meant. On, whichulag, and so is why we dont have people dancing in the streets wanting socialism anymore, because they saw what it means. So maybe the brexit as it turned force will do the same. Once it is realized, you can see its not working. Malte Martin Peter Martin schultze, came out this week and said the Eu Commission needs to be turned into what he calls a real government. Is there an appetite for that around europe, or is that pie in the sky . Hannah a bit of both, i would say. [laughter] you want to have effective decisions being made, you know, with people having, ideally who you know they who they are. That matters for National Governments and national media, to take these people seriously, if they arare not just sitting n a building in brussels somewhere, where nobody knows where they are. They have got to b become visib. An attractive idea to have decisions being made that actually mean something. You have this rise of nationalism, which you have seen not only in the u. K. , but in france and also other countries. I would say before reaction from brussels after brexit was a disaster. It was a defensive reaction. We have to change, we have to reform. As if brussels had made the mistake. No, 52 of the british electorate made a mistake for voting for brexit. That was the mistake. This sounds like old familiar brussels arrogance. Brussels,s is the old everything will be different from no one. That was very much missing from brussels these last days. Derek we have this binary argument. Anyone who is anyway proeuropean, we need a brusselsbased European Union where everyone comes together and the European Commission is a referees of the big countries are not too big and the small countries are not too smal. Smamall. Berlin said, this commission, who knows what they are . Thats another model. They set up a tent city beside the European Commission and do their own dealing. The problem is, that hands to the brexiteers the argument, you can have junckers faceless europe or a berlindominated europe. Which would you like . This will unfortunately spread. Marine le pen can just wait, go out on her Summer Holidays, because the people in brussels and berlin are doing her work for her. Malte you are completely right. This is the dilemma that brussels is in now. It adds up to the decision to contractthe trade with canada to a national referendum. I think it is a bad idea, but it was the necessary idea of the brexit. This is the dilemma that brussels is in right now. Already mentioned that young folks in the u. K. Have been demonstrating their passion for the eu. Lets have a look at that, before we continue. Whatever the result of the referendum, these brits want to remain. They believe the eu safeguards democracy, plurality, and peace in europe, assuring war will never again break out between its nations. To them, the european project also symbolizes the rule of law, and respect for human rights, along with the freedom of movement the chance to study in other european nations, to work abroad, or to pursue research there. Now they are worried that their lives and those of their children can only change for the worse. They feel left out, and believe strongly the people of the eu are stronger together. How can this kind of enthusiasm be reawakened in others, who are disillusioned with brussels . Peter thats the question, derek. Is it all about leadership . Does europe need charismatic leadership . Derek i think it needs leadership from below. A lot of us, european elections every couple years i have been meeting with people in berlin. The erasmus generation saying, we have been taking advantage of this, and it is falling apart. A british woman who just had a baby, living here saying, what will happen next . Theres the notion that it has to get beyond social media. I think a lot of people think that if they Say Something on social mediaia, they have hadad their sasay. No, you get out on the streets, and out on the streets on a regular basis. In germany, theres a history of the monday night demonstrations. I would like to see that. If i am a 65yearold person on the gravy train, whether in berlin, brussels, dublin, or elsewhere, i will just continue on, hope to coast through. Whereas if you are a 30yearold, you dont know what the next five years will look like, for the next 30 years. Ofmaybe its s the notion these european leaders have had their day, though i look at the next generation bernese merkel and schultz, and i see lots of people who have spent their entire lives in politics and maybe have never had a job outside of the political bubble, so i worry we dont have leaders in the 40 plus generation at this time. Hannah britain sadly lost a really good one, jo cox, who was killed. People like that. Peter thats a very interesting point. Hannah somebody, she was not just a politician. She had done amazing stuff outside of politics, and then went into politics with conviction, with really broad, progressive, humanitarian push, and she would have been fabulous. Some of the like that. There a are, there must be other people like that. We cannot just have had the one and had some but issued her. That would have been had somebody shoot her. That would have been her. People like that need to be encouraged to come into politics. If you have somebody like her instead of, i dont know, any of these boring men in gray suits, then you can inspire the kind of enthusiasm that is needed to coast over the difficult, boring, complicated stuff and kekeep your eyes on ththe prize, which is this open, humanitarian, progressive europe which we can create. Thek i personally think men broke this. Boris johnson, michael gove, cameron, and merkel has been a voice of stability in the last two weeks. Opinion,y, who divides at least she has come out and remained calm, and ms. Sturgeon up in edinburghgh. Maybe the time is, you boys have had your day. Obviously you dont want to be antiman, but i have seen a lot of nonsense being spoken by men, and a lot of common sense being spoken by women in the last two weeks, and that would tilt me at the next election. I have decided to wear a g gray suitododay. [laughghter] juncker,anclaude younger im not a fan of these people, and i dont think many people are, but i live in a country that for 11 years has had a chancellor who is not a born leleader, not good att rhetoric, cannot explain things too well, but she governed the country quite well. So im used to the fact you can have uninspiring leaders who make good popolicy. Sometimes people stay around too long. i think the fatigue has set in with juncker and schultz. They can say the most sensible things in the world, i just dont think anyone would listen to them. Ofking at the pictures Trafalgar Square of young brits with the eu on the cheeks, i hahave never seen that before. They realize when they are afraid of losing something, what that means. Brexit, its like asking people if they want to pay taxes. Nobody wants to pay taxes. Lets have a referendum against taxes. You see things stop working so finene without taxes. We dont have jails, we dont have streets, we dont have a government. So sometimes people have to realize and take responsibly for the run decision. The idea was that this will have no impact on germany or anyone else. I think the chickens will come home to roost in berlin as well. Hannah they will come home applying for german passports. [laughter] peter Time Magazine said the brexit would be either the death knell or a wakeup call for the eu. Hannah im going to be optimistic and say wakeup call. Derek wakeup call. Malte wake up call for a new eu. Peter thanks for much for being here today. If you enjoyed the show as much as i have, do come back next week and get in touch with us by social media or by mail. Until next week, byebye from me. o michelle hello, and a very warm welcome to focus on europe. Im michelle henery. They showed a shock has taken hold of europe. What many had thought impossible has happened britain has voted to leave the European Union. Leave supporters cheer. The remain camp is heaeartbroke. Prime minister cameron announces his resignation. David cameron goal is i love David Cameron i love this country and i feel honored to have served it. Michelle cameron has gambled and lost, the referendum has left not a united but a deeply divided kingdom. Welcome to this special postreferendum edition of focus on europe in whichch the u. K. Decided to forever change its relationship with the European Union. The outcome of the vote was tight 48 said they wanted to remain in the European Union while 52 chose to leave. The so called brexiteers edging out the vote by a narrow lead a decision that had and will continue to have tremendous consequences. Here, we go to cornwall, which had a clear leave majority, mainly due to its fishing industry. For decades, local fishermen felt threatened by eu fishing restrictions and regulations, which they feel caused a decline of their industry and livelihood. Now they hope for a Brighter Future on these unchartered waters. Reporter these people in cornwall are celebrating their traditional summer festival, not the brexit. They dont let politics spoil their good mood. Everyone has good reason to raise a glass, whether they won or lost the referendum. 56 of the people in this remote area on britains west coast voted to leave the e. U. Thats more than the countrys average. In the harbor town of newlyn, the fishshermen in pararticular reresent brusselels. They regarard the e. U. Fishing quotas as pure harassment. Theyey say the fncnch steal thtr fish and nowow they filly y have their r sea back. Mick mahon bye, bye, brussels. Now well be able to spend our own money on what we want to. And well stop giving money to waste on all the things brussels wastes their money on the french farming industry. And we h havent seen anythinint of it. No benefit. Peter buckland im surprised at how manyny did vote e for it. Anand it worked. What happens from now on, nobody knows it. Its early dadays. Wellll see howow it goes. It cant get any worse. Reporter turbot, mackerel, and cod in newlyn, everything revolves around fishing, as if there were no other issues in europe. Even though the new iceflaking machine was paid for with eu subsidies, the workers here are relieved at the result of the referendum. They think the only ones who will be hurt are the bankers and bosses in london. Ryan mitchell a lot of londoners s and major cities wat to stay in europe, but its obviously the fringe counties away from the major cities that want out. Were the ones that are struggling more and they seem to be getting everything, you know . It should be a lot better for cornwall, for definite, and especially for newlyn. Reporter others are less optimistic. Alex lake is bewildered. For more than 15 years, she has supervised e. U. Projects in cornwall. In that time, the e. U. Has poured about a billion euros in subsidies into the region to fuel new economic fields like handicrafts, m media, and the digital industry. Now alex is worried about more than her own job. She sees the Rural Regions whole structural transformation endangered. Alex lake the people ofoften s, i havevent had any european funding, but w we drive on european roads and we use a european airport. We use a europeanfunded port, and you use a superfast broadband website, which has been installed with european money. And so i its ner r directly g n to an inindividual, but it paid for the ststructure, the infrfrastructure that t allo y u to do business with the rest of the world. We drive to the neighboring town, hayle, where alex works on a major eu project. Generatingng energy fromom the ocean, for example with Wave Energy Plants cornwall was to become a pioneer. The Brand New Technology park was opened only a few weeks ago. The e. U. Provivided 15 millilion eus inin funng. Alex l lake if the ukuk is outf eueurope, reremote regionsns lis will remain insignificant. There are bigger priorities to our uk government, and to the politicians that are in our uk government, than a small region with a small population at the end of the country. Reporter most people in newlyn dont see this danger. They are deeply embedded in their traditional way of life. Jamie maclean is a cook in his own restaurant. He voted for the brexit because he expected that, without e. U. Fishing quotas and regulations, fish would become cheaper. But now hes not so certain. Jamie maclean to be honest, it came as a shock. I mean, i voted out, but i thought id be in a minority. So for me personally, you know, i was actually quite shocked by the t vote. I didnt think it would happen. I wouldnt describe myself as particularly happy about it. Theres a lot of uncertainty. So now the hard work r really bebegins, you knowow. I dont think its something to celebrate, its something to think about and to start working towards the future. Reporter its clear what cornwalls fishermen plan to do work harder, so they can export more fish to france and spain, without interference from brussels. Bill jelbert well, just hopefully everythings looked at a little bit clearer and a bit more fairly. Its actually somebody in our country making the rules instead of somebody in another country, you know . Somebodydy making the rules abot the waters they know nothing about. See what happens from here. Reporter but the brexit already has a down side for the fishermen. Newlyns harbor was going to be modernized with e. U. Funding. And that wont be happening now. Michelle many people both inside and out of britain ask why . Why vote leave . In the run up to the vote, experts tried to discuss technical details. But plain facts often got lost in attempts to stir the publics emotions and fears. Much of the discussion over brexit boiled down to immigration. About three Million People from across the e. U. Have already settled in britain. The town of boston in central england, saw the highest leave vote in the uk with 3 4 voting for brexit. More than 10 of its population are from mainland europe. Migrants there, like agnes and zbigniew, are worried that the vote means they are no longer welcome in their own home. Repoporter the small town of boston in n Eastern England has long had Close International links. In the early 17th century, pilgrims started out from here for the united states. Today, migrants are coming to boston, mainly young people from eastern europe. Zbigniew is from poland. He is an instructor at the towns karate club. When the weathers good he trains with his polish friends outside, on the edge of townwn. Zbigniew godzisz our main purpose is selfdevelopment through karate training. We always try to be better every day than thehe day beforore. Tomorrow will be the same, we will try to be better than today. Reporter keep moving forward, thats zbigniews approach to life. He andnd his wifagagnes me h hee 13 years ago. Their son, patrick, was born in england. They started off working in a factory but now both have jobs in management. And like many of their friends, theyve bought a house here. Agnes work hard as much ass possible, save as s much as possible. Some of them they will be back to poland. I i know a lot o of my friends , theyey settled here, theyve got own n houses here. They call england home, really. Reporter around 10 of people in boston now come from eastern europe. Overall, there are some three million e. U. Migrants in britain. Far too many, say the eurosceptics. 75 of the people in boston voted to leave the e. U. A clear stance against their foreignborn neighbors. Exit the European Union. Brian rush people are being drawn here because of our high rate of benefits. We earned those benefitsts. We earned the right. We reinvested in ourselves, thats why this country is a great t country. W what can we lose . What have we lost . Weve lost a lot. All our industries are gone. Its not britain no more, is it . Its too much a mixed bag. And we are attracting too many people. Yes, the wrong people, the wrong kind. Reporter the voices of the brexit supporters and their populist arguments have prevailed. [laughter] reporter agnes and zbigniew are disappointed. Although they are naturalized british citizens, they feel less welcome now than ever like many others. Agnes godzisz so its quite difficult, it is scary, to be honest. Zbigniew godzisz i tried to explain them that its not, the European Union is not just about the immigration. It is such a big thing and you cant just look at the one point and make that important decision, which will affect the next generations. Reporter at st. M marys churu, mass is now alalso held in poli. Zbigniew and his family come every ek. Since the referendum, theyve faced hostility. The e churchs s priest thinks thats unfair afteter all, te immigrant t families havave contributed to britatains econy for many years. Stanislaw kowalski because we came here with educationon, with culture,e, and people e are reao work, theyey pay taxes. And yes, i think we enrich this youand yes, i think we enricich thisis country. In a reporter boston is in the county of lincolnshire, a rural, largely agricultural area. Initially, farmers were keen to hire seasonal workers. Many more followed, which led to increased numbers of immigrants an from eastern europe. Many who have not yet become you british citizens are now unsure if theyll be able to stay. Agnes godzisz i think they are panicking right now, to be honest. It depends how long you are here. If you are here. If you are here longer time, probably you might be secured. Zbigniew godzisz i think that the main problem they got is the lack of information. They dont know what is going to in happen. Because nobody said what is their plan Going Forward with this situation. And it is a big question mark. Reporter agnes and zbigniew in a want to stay in boston, and work for good relations between the polish community and the rest of the town. In his karate club, zbigniew i works with children from 10 different nations including britain. Zbigniew Community Integration is possible. Agnes england is made up from immigrantsts, it is not only england, the whole world is changing right now, so we have to be prepared. Reporter both believe that britain would be worse off without the migrants from eastern europe. My and boston, like many small english towns, would suffer both economically and culturally. Michelle while in england the campaign to leave the e. U. Had a lot of momentum and resulted in a clear majority for a brexit, u north in scotland, it was a completely different story. An overwhelming 62 in scotland voted to remain in the eu. And if scotlands first minister gets her way, the country may do just that. Two years ago, scotland held a vote to secede from britain, but it failed. The outcome of the e. U. Referendum has left many scots wondering if that was a mistake. Reporter centuries ago, stirling was the scene of some major scottish battles for independence from england. In a sense, that history may be playing out again, at least more peacefully this time. Nothing says scottish heritage like bagpipes. Alan waldron makes them, and loves playing them. But ever since the brexit referendum, hes felt the wind knocked out of him. Alan waldron i was completely shocked i thought wed remain in. Yoyou would be a big problem, ad enormous headache. Im annoyed. For me personally, id much rather we stayed in. Reporter a glance at his workshop explains his disappointment. The customers for whom hes building these instruments with fine african wood come from all over europe. Hes concerned about the impact brexit could have on his business. Alan waldron there will be a lot more paperwork, a lot more headaches, different import tariffs, i dont know what extra percentage will be on top of things before when we were part of the e. U. There were no extra fees, and i think there will be now. Reporter waldron is hardly alone people all over scotland feel the same way. For years, major port cities such as edinburgh have thrived on trade with europe without border customs or trade barriers. Udo seiwertfauti for the scottish economy, for all those traditional things they had in the continent, personally i would say its a disaster. Ill give you an example scottish whiskey, world famous. Theyre used to transporting it to the euroepan continent, and it would really be a disaster for many parts of the scottish economy if that link were abolished. Reporter theres another reason why almost 2 3 of scottish citizens voted to remain in the e. U. A different mindset. Udo seiwertfauti i think over the years the english have forgotten how the scottish are thinking, what the Scottish Parliament means and what the newlydeveloped scotottish identity really means. Reporter and thats why scotlands Regional Government lost no time in responding to the result of the brexit referendum. Nicola sturgeon i want to make it absolutely clear that i intend to take all possible steps and explore all options to give effect to how people in scotland voted. In other words, to secure our continuing place in the e. U. And in the Single Market in particular. Reporter if necessary, edinburgh says, scotland will hold anonother refererendum to k away frorom britain. Thats infuriating to david coburn from the rightwing populist ukip the Uk Independence Party which backed brexit in the referendum. He balks at scottish independenence. David coburn absolute nonsense. Nonsense on stilts. Absolutely. Its not even constitutional. Apart from thehe fact that its not cricket, its not the british way of doing things. Certainly not the scottish way of doing things. Nicola sturgeon thinks the constitution should be written in pencil. And she has a big rubber to change it when she likes. Im sorry, thats not how the rules are played. Reporter not many around here share that opinion. The somber mood in pubs is palpable. Especially among younger britons, and not just in edinburgh. The most important thing of the e. U. Was that it kept peace, it created a community, a sense of community in all the countries. Were in a world of uncertainty just now, and im not exactly sure what the necessary precautions are that myself and my friends need to take. Im not trying to say that were cutting off ties completely, but i think were now a young enough and a Strong Enough country that we can do well, we can do well. Reporter two years ago, alan waldron voted for scottish independence. Now, in the aftermath of the brexit referendum, hes hoping scotland will get a Second Chance to decide on breaking free of britain. Alan waldron for me, britishness is poisonous. Im scottish first, european second, and the concept of britain is its got a lot of bad taste, historically. Reporter outside, the bagpipe music resumes. Scotlands National Symbol will be a lasting presence here, no matter how this crisis plays out. Michelle in the wake of the british referendum, many of us here in germany are asking what does this mean for us . Many brits who live here are wondering will the price of importing their sacred english tea rise . Germany is an important market for the uk. But after brexit, many businesses both large and small, worry that trade will become more bureaucratic. Our reporter visited broken english, a speciality English Grocery store in berlin that caters to both anglos and the anglophiles who love them, to find out just what kind of impact the vote might have on our wallets. Reporter on a saturday like any other, dale carr opens up her shop in berlin. Royal memorabilia, rose water, and many other specialities from Great Britain are sold here for everyone to enjoy, but especially the estimated 14,000 brits in the city. Dale has run this shop for years. But since a majority of the British Population chose to leave the European Union, she fears for the future. Dale carr my first reaction was shock. If britain really stays this way, then its not my country anymore i feel like a foreigner. All these years ive had my british passport and now i think whats it actually worth . I think its a really, really bad decision. Reporter dale buys many of her products directly from the manufacturer. She hasnt had to pay customs duties because of the Free Movement within the european Single Market. Dale carr here weve got jams, and this is one of bestselling products lemon curd. Its unheard of here, and theres no equivalent on the german market. Reporter the brexit result will eventually mean she has to import products across the e. U. Border. One british supplier has already been in touch with her. Dale carr his business is mostly in europe, he doesnt deliver much to britain itself. It was easy, i could import anything with no problems. But maybe in my case, therell be products that are no longer acceptable. It affects us. Reporter germany is one of the biggest export markets for britain. Leaving the e. U. Will make trade much more bureaucratic. Delivery vehicles could face a lengthy wait at customs on the border. And ultimately, that would incur extra costs. Dale carr logically, it means everything will get more expensive. The pound has taken a nosedive. Whether it goes up again, stays the same or falls even further we have no idea. It could mean that goods become cheaper, but there are too many variables, and no facts, and thats not good. Reporter and that worries her customers too. I cant get this anywhere else. We like jam and tea as well. You can also get english tea in the big kdw department store, but i really prefer to come here. Reporter dales daughter, brittany, also works here. Her british passport meant she was free to work here. Now shes concerned this might not be the case before long. Dalele carr the time has comemr us to apply for german citizenship. Wed already talked about it just in case there was a brexit. But we didnt really believe it would happen. And my daughter understands why we have to do it. Its imimportant that my two children have a secure life here in germany. Reporter for many brits, this feels like a heavy hangover. Dale carr has been running her shop broken english for 20 years. But now, shes fears this might be the beginning of the end. Michelle what do you think about brexit . How does it affect you and what consequences will it have for you . Let us know what you think about that by getting in touch on facebook, email or twitter. One of the many ironies of the outcome of the referendum is that young voters wanted brexit the least, yet will have to live with it the longest. Blindsided by this breakup, students in london expressed their frustation at the untimely end of their love affair with the e. U. Im sorry. Im sosorry. Im sorry. Im sorry. Im sorry. Im sorry. Dear euu, im certain couldnt make your f for better place together, and i hope we can still be friends. I am so sorry that this has all happeneded. Its all our fauault for being o close minded, and d i hope one y we can be friends again. We can change. I miss you. We didnt mean for this to turn out this way. Please forgive us. Weve only been together for a few months since i came here to study. I thought you liked me. Why did it have to end this way . I stitill cant believe thiss happenened. Its not you, its s us. Im sorry. Hey, im so sororry for what was decided between usus. I did not t nt this to happen. If it were u up to me, i would stay with you, but sometimes things are out of my control. I wish you all thehe best, and ththat we can have the connectin we used to have. Maybe one day we can get back together. I will continue to hope. Michelle breaking up is hard to do, even when it involves a continent. Thats all for today with our special edition on the uks referendum. In the meantime, its goodbye from me and the whole team. See you next time. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. 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