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The election, donald trump refuses to say whether he will accept the results of the election if his loses to Hillary Clinton. We will get response and air more from their showdown in vegas. Mr. Trump john podesta said you have terrible in stinks. Bernie sanders says you have bad judgment. I agree with both. Mrs. Clinton should ask who Bernie Sanders is supporting for president mr. Trump which is a big mistake. Mrs. Clinton youre the most dangerous person to run for president in the modern history of america. Amy we will get response from dr. Jill stein and then bring you a debate between the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist chris hedges and Princeton University professor eddie glaude, about how progressives should vote in november. All that and more, coming up. Welcome to democracy now, democracynow. Org, the war and peace report. Im amy goodman. Donald trump and Hillary Clinton squared off at the third and final debate at the university of nevada in las vegas wednesday night. In one of the most extreme statements of the night, donald trump said he might not accept the results of the november election, instead saying i will keep you in suspense. This comes as trump has continuing to the claim the election of being rigged. Throughout the debate, the two faced off on topics ranging from Sexual Assault to Social Security to russia. Mr. Trump look, from everything i see has no respect for this person will stop mrs. Clinton that is because he would rather have a puppet as president. Mr. Trump no puppet. You are the puppet. Mrs. Clinton you wont admit the russians amy the debate frequently veered from m political discussn into personal attacks. Mrs. Clinton that is part of my commitment to raise taxes on the wealthy. My Social Security, payroll contribution will go up as will donalds, assuming he cant figure out how to get out of it. But t what we want to do is replenish mr. Trump such a nasty woman. Amy that was republican president itial nominee donald trump. We will air more excerpts after the headlines. Hundreds rallied outside Donald Trumps Las Vegas Hotel where some vendors used their cards to build a wall of taco trucks to protest his calls to increase the massive border wall between u. S. And mexico. This is a woman who works in housekeeping at the trump hotel. I have been working here at trumps hotel for nine years. All i want to say is that we should all be equal because we came to this country to work and not to ask things of the government. So here we are, united. Amy California Attorney general Kamala Harris has launched an investigation into whether wells fargo engaged in criminal Identity Theft by creating 2 million fake accounts, which employees opened in order to meet grueling sales targets. Wells fargo is currently embroiled in a massive scandal over the creation of the fake Bank Accounts, which has led to the resignation of former ceo john stumpf. Turkish state media is reporting the Turkish Military killed as many as 200 Syrian Kurdish fighters wednesday night, although this figure is being disputed by the Syrian Kurdish forces. The Syrian Kurdish fighters, known as the ypg, were killed after turkish jets attacked their bases north of aleppo. A ypg leader says only 10 Syrian Kurdish fighters were killed in the attacks. The United States is militarily backing both turkey and the syrian kurds. In honduras, two leaders of the Campesino Organization muca thats united Campesino Movement of the aguan have been assassinated. Muca president Jose Angel Flores and organizer silmer dionosio george were killed by gunmen tuesday night after leaving the ir office in la confianza. Flores had repeatedly reported facing Death Threats as a result of his land defense work and the Interamerican Commission on human rights had ordered the honduran government to provide both him and silmer protection. Muca members have cooperative Land Holdings and the group has under pressure by private companies who want the organization to break up and sell off the cooperatively held land in order to bill palm oil plantations. Tuesdays assassinations were in the region where a special development zone, also known as a model city, is currently being developed, which would create a special free trade zone operating outside the law of the honduran government. Many of the Companies Pushing for special Development Zones in honduras are supported by the world bank. In egypt, american citizen aya hijazi has now been imprisoned without trial for more than 900 days. Hijazi, who grew up in virginia and is a dual citizen of egypt, was arrested on may 2, 2014, along with her husband and others while running a nonprofit seeking to help Homeless Children in cairo. She and her husband were accused of paying the children to participate in antigovernment protests. In flint, michigan the aclu has , filed a Class Action Lawsuit arguing the Public School system has not done enough to provide children exposed to lead with sufficient educational services. Flints lead poisoning began when an unelected emergency manager appointed by michigan Governor Rick Snyder switched the source of the citys Drinking Water to the corrosive flint river in 2014. Lead is a known neurotoxin, which can cause significant developmental delays, especially in children. The lawsuit, filed in the u. S. District court in the Eastern District of michigan, argues the School System is not adequately screenining leadexpososed chihn for didisabilities a and providg educatioional interventions, and that the Michigan Department of ucucatiohahas not sufffficiently funded the flint school district. In iowa, landowner Cyndy Coppola was arrested protesting against the 3. 8 billion Dakota Access pipeline on her familys farm in Calhoun County iowa over the weekend. Coppolas land is one of multiple properties where the Dakota Access Pipeline Company used Eminent Domain to secure easements to build the pipeline, despite the objection of the landowners. Coppola and her friend were arrested blockading Dakota Access pipeline trucks saturday. Meanwhile, also in iowa, Authorities Say an excavator and three bulldozers being used to construct the pipeline were burneded over the weekend, destroying up to 2 million worth of equipment. Its the second suspected case of arson against Dakota Access pipeline equipment. All the groups in iowa fighting the pipeline have condemned the alleged arson. Indigenous iowa said we promote only peaceful and prayerful action. In new york city, residents are protesting the Fatal Police Shooting of 66yearold African American Deborah Danner, who was killed by a new York Police Department sergeant tuesday. Danner had Mental Health issues, including schizophrenia. Police say she was shot and killed in her own home in the bronx after a neighbor called 911. When police arrived, they found danner naked in her bedroom holding a pair of scissors. Authorities say Sergeant Hugh barry fatally shot her after she picked up a baseball bat. This is new york mayor bill de blasio. , Deborah Danner, 66 years old known to the nypd a someone who suffered from mental illness. And the shooting of Deborah Danner is tragic and it is unacceptable. It should nenever have happenen. It is as simple as that. It should never have happened. Amy Sergeant Hugh barry has been sued twice in recent years for brutality. Deborah danner has previously expressed concern about Police Violence against those living with mental illnesses. In a 2012 essay, danner wrote we are all aware of the two frequent news stories about the mentally ill who come up against Law Enforcement instead of Mental Health professionals and end up dead. On tuesday night, dozens rallied in the bronx to demand justice for Deborah Danner. Meanwhile, also in new york city, dozens of people rallied outside a manhattan courthouse wednesday amid the beginning of the federal trial for the bronx 120 120 young men from the bronx who were arrested en masse april 27 in whats being described as the Largest Police raid in new york city history. The massive operation included at least 700 Law Enforcement agents including swat teams, police helicopters, and federal agents from the dea, the u. S. Marshals, and immigration and customs enforcement. Police say those arrested are part of two gangs that are linked to a number of murders. The young men have been charged with racketeering, as well as drug and firearm offenses. But family members and residents say the raids racially targeted young black men, many of whom they say were not part of the gangs. A new report finds Law Enforcement databases nationwide have collected facial recognition information for 117 million americans, meaning about half of all adults in the United States now have their faces and other biometrics information in these databases. The report was released tuesday by the center for Privacy Technology at the Georgetown University law school. In technology news, a new lawsuit accuses another samsung smarartphone of being potentialy explosive. The suit claims a Samsung Galaxy s6 active exploded, burst into flames 5 inches high and melted the flesh of its owner. This comes after samsung has ended the production of its gagalaxy note 7 smartphone becae the device is prone to catching on fire, and recalled 2. 5 million phones after complplains the babatteries were e explodin. And in argentina, thousands of women walked out of work on wednesday for a womens strike, protesting gender violencece and the brutal rape and murder of a 16yearold argentine girl named lucia perez earlier this month. Protesters held signs reading, if you touch one of us, we all react. Solidarity protests were also held in mexico, bolivia, chile, paraguay, uruguay, and the United States. This is argentine protester andrea vazquez. Because i dont want to be the next woman and a plastic bag. The clock is ticking. We all have to be here men, women, boys, girls, teenagers. Here we are representing society am a shouting not one less because i was a victim, too, and they are also victims. Amy and those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now , democracynow. Org, the war and peace report. Im amy goodman. Nermeen welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. Republican donald trump and democrat Hillary Clinton faced off wednesday night in las vegas in the final debate before the november 8 election. Trump continued to claim the election has been rigged and said he would not commit to accepting g the outcome of t the vote if he loses. Trumps comment sparked outcry, even from within his own party. Republican senator jeff flake of arizona tweeted that trump saying that he might not accept Election Results is beyond the pale. Republican strategist Steve Schmidt described the comment as a disqualifying moment for trump. The debate was filled with personal attacks between the two candidates. Clinton accused trump of being a puppet of russian president Vladimir Putin while trump , called clinton a nasty woman. Trump also rejected the claims of nine women who have come forward to say they were sexually assaulted by him. Trump accused clinton of being behind the claims. Amy well, today we will air highlights from the debate and get a response from dr. Jill stein. We will also host a debate between Pulitzer Prize winning journalist chris hedges and eddie glaude, center for africanamerican studies of princeton. First, we playay the part of the debate dominating the headlines. Debate Moderator Chris Wallace of fox news. Mr. Wallace you have been warning at rallies recently that this election is rigged and that Hillary Clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from you. Your running mate, governor pence pledged on sunday that he and you, his words, will absolutely accept the result of this election today your daughter said the same thing. I want to ask you here on the stage tonight do you make the , same commitment that you will absolutely sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election . Mr. Trump i will look at it at the time. Im not looking at anything now. Ill look at it at the time. What ive seen what ive seen is so bad. First of all, the media is so dishonest and so corrupt, and the pileon is so amazing. The New York Times actually wrote an article about it, but they dont even care. Its so dishonest. And theyve poisoned the mind of the voters. But unfortunately for them, i think the voters are seeing through it. I think theyre going to see through it. We will find out mr. Wallace november 8. But, sir, theres mr. Trump if you look excuse me, chris if you look at your voter rolls, you will see millions of people that are registered to vote millions, this isnt coming from me this is coming from pew report and other places millions of people that are registered to vote that shouldnt be registered to vote. So let me just give you one other thing. So i talk about the corrupt media. I talk about the millions of people tell you one other thing. She shouldnt be allowed to run. Its crooked shes shes guilty of a very, very serious crime. She should not be allowed to run. And just in that respect, i say its rigged, because she should never mr. Wallace but mr. Trump chris, she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did with emails and so many other things. Mr. Wallace but, sir, there is a tradition in this country in fact, one of the prides of this country is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter how hardfought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign that the loser concedes to the winner. Not saying that youre necessarily going to be the loser or the winner, but that the loser concedes to the winner and that the country comes together in part for the good of the country. Are you saying youre not prepared now to commit to that principle . Mr. Trump what im saying is that i will tell you at the time. Ill keep you in suspense. Ok . Mrs. Clinton well, chris, let me respond to that, because thats horrifying. You know, every time donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is, is rigged against him. The fbi conducted a yearlong investigation into my emails. They concluded there was no case. He said the fbi was rigged. He lost the iowa caucus. He lost the wisconsin primary. He said the republican primary was rigged against him. Then Trump University gets sued for fraud and racketeering. He claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. There was even a time when he didnt get an emmy for his tv Program Three years in a row and he started tweeting that the emmys were rigged against him. Mr. Trump should have gotten it. Mrs. Clinton this is this is a mindset. This is how donald thinks. And its funny, but its also really troubling. Mr. Wallace ok. Mrs. Clinton so that is not the way our democracy works. Weve been around for 240 years. Weve had free and fair elections. Weve accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them. And that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election. You know, president obama said the other day when youre whining before the game is even finished mr. Wallace hold on. Hold on, folks. Hold on, folks. Mrs. Clinton it just shows youre not up to doing the job. And lets you know, lets be clear about what he is saying and what that means. He is denigrating hes talking down our democracy. And i, for one, am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind of position. Mr. Trump i think what the fbi did and what the department of justice did, including meeting with her husband, the attorney general, in the back of an airplane on the tarmac in arizona, i think its disgraceful. I think its a disgrace. Mr. Wallace all right. Mr. Trump i think weve never hahad a situation so bad in this country. Mr. Wallace hold on, folks. Amy an excerpt from last nights debate. Joining us in washington, d. C. , kristen clarke. President nd to to donald trump saying he does not know at this point, he will leave it up to, well, a surprise, whether he will support the results of the november elections . In my view, this is one of the most jarring moments during the evening. This notion, this Conspiracy Theory that suggests that our elections are rigged is incredibly dangerous will stop it casts a dark cloud over american democracy. We know that our elections are closely watched all across the globe. We hold our democracy out as one of the greatest on earth. While there may be imperfections, what we certainly know is the outcomes, the process itself, is not broken and that this is a mythology, this notion that you can distort or change or alter the outcome of a president ial election is just completely baseless and false. The reality,ow is there have been many states around the country that have worked to lock people out of the process. If we want to talk about ways to strengthen our democracy, let talk about why states have raised forward with restrictive photo id requirements that lock voters out of the ballot box. Let talk about states that are purging people from the registration rolls. We have a lawsuit in hancock coming county, georgia, removed legitimately registered africanamericans from the rolls and they have the Sheriffs Office go to your home to issue a summons telling you that you have got to come down to local Registrars Office to provide proof of your eligibility. Lets talk about places like makin georgia, where theyre moving to hostile locations. They moved a polling site out of a Majority Black School into the local Sheriffs Office, a location deemed hostile by africanamerican voters there. If we want to talk about the real issue that were up against in our democracy today, let talk about Voter Suppression because there is a track record of intense Voter Suppression efforts all across our country. I hear silence on that point, and it is troubling to me. Amy specifically on this issue of not accepting the election, now his handlers are saying, well, it is just like al gore challenging in 2000 in florida. Your response . Were not going to relitigate bush v. Gore. I did not hear complains about the republican primary. You know, trump was far ahead of many of his candidates and seemed fine. Did not argue the outcome was rigged. This Conspiracy Theory suggesting that elections are rigged seems to be one that candidate resort to when they feel they are on the losing side and that the American People are not on their side. Familiar tactic. If we care about strengthening american democracy, lets talk about the real issues and problems that lock people out of the ballot box. Lets talk about the fact in 2014, only 37 of americans participated in the Midterm Election cycle. And a lot of that low voter turnout is attributable to Voter Suppression. But rigged elections pure fiction. Pure mythology. A cast a dark cloud over our democracy. Lets talk about the real issues. Nermeen lets go to one of the issues that was raised last night, this is debate Moderator Chris Wallace. Mr. Wallace what im asking you, do you want to see the court overturn. You decide you want to see the court protect the second amendment. Do you want to see it overturn roe v wade . Mr. Trump of we put two or three justices, that is what is going to be had. That is what will happen. That will happen automatically, in my opinion, because im putting prolife justices on the court. I will say this, it will go back to the states and the states will then make a determination. Mrs. Clinton i do not think the United States government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions. So you can regulate if youre doing so with the life and the health of the mother taken into account. Mr. Wallace mr. Trump, your reaction . And particularly on this issue of lateterm, partialbirth abortions. Mr. Trump well, i think its terrible. If you go with what hillary is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby. Numbing code kristen clarke, your response to what trump said last night . All,cts you know, first of we need to recognize that we have an eightmember Supreme Court right now. Our highest court in the nation is broken. And without a critical ninth member needed to ensure that we can resolve some of the gravest issues that come before the know, i amterm, you deeply concerned i heard one candidate last night talking about the senate needing to do its job right now. To recognize that there is a nominee pending for the vacancy merrick garland. I heard one candidate talking about the need for the senate to the vacancy. W on come january, whoever is taking over the white house, will have a constitutional duty and obligation to fill in a vacant seats that may exist at that moment for the Supreme Court. But in important part of the narrative right now needs to be, you know, the fact that we have a senate that is about political obstruction. We have a senate that refuses to move on the pending nomination of merrick garland. Now thrusting the nation, you know, into a constitutional crisis. Period thatlongest we of gone without an unfulfilled Supreme Court seat. There have been vacancies that have arisen during president ial election years and congress has done it job to consider providing advice and consent, is what the constitution says, they have considered nominees. But i am deeply concerned about this era of instruction, political instruction that we are in. As we look ahead for 2017, i think it is important that we have a leader in place who can get us past this era of political obstruction and move the senate to a place where does its job, one of the most important of which is filling that vacant seat on the sprinkler. Amy kristen clarke, thank you for bebeing with us. When we come back, more from the showdown in vegas. Then we will bring you response from dr. Jill stein, green Party President ial candidate, and a debate on how progressives should vote in november between chris hedges and eddie glaude. Stay with us. [music break] amy this is democracy now , democracynow. Org, the war and peace report. Im amy goodman. With nermeen shaikh. As we turn to some highlights from last night showdown in vegas, the last president ial debate between the november election. Lets go to foxnews Moderator Chris Wallace. Mr. Wallace secretary clinton, i want to clear up your position on this issue because in a speech you gave to a Brazilian Bank for which you are paid 225,000, we learned from wikileaks that you said this, and i want to quote. My dream is a hemispheric Common Market with open trade and open borders. So thats the question mr. Trump thank you. Mr. Wallace thats the question. Please quiet, everybody. , is that your dream, open borders . Mrs. Clinton well, if you went on to read the rest of the sentence, i was talking about energy. You know, we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined. And i do want us to have an electric grid, an Energy System that crosses borders. I think that would be a great benefit to us. But you are very clearly quoting from wikileaks. And whats really important about wikileaks is that the russian government has engaged in espionage against americans. They have hacked american websites, american accounts of private people, of institutions. Then they have given that information to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. This has come from the highest levels of the russian government, clearly, from putin himself, in an effort, as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed, to influence our election. So i actually think the most important question of this evening, chris, is, finally, will donald trump admit and condemn that the russians are doing this and make it clear that he will not have the help of putin in this election, that he rejects russian espionage against americans, which he actually encouraged in the past. Those are the questions we need answered. Weve never had anything like this happen in any of our elections before. Mr. Trump that was a great pivot off the fact that she wants open borders, ok . How did we get on to putin . Mr. Wallace hold on hold on, wait. Hold on, folks. Because we this is going to end up getting out of control. Lets try to keep it quiet so for the candidates and for the American People. Mr. Trump so just to finish on the borders mr. Wallace yes . Mr. Trump she wants open borders. People are going to pour into our country. People are going to come in from syria. She wants 550 more people than barack obama, and he has thousands and thousands of people. They have no idea where they come from. And you see, we are going to stop radical islamic terrorism in this country. She wont even mention the words, and neither will president obama. So i just want to tell you, she wants open borders. Now we can talk about putin. I dont know putin. He said nice things about me. If we got along well, that would be good. If russia and the United States got along well and went after isis, that would be good. He has no respect for her. He has no respect for our president. And i will tell you what, we are in very serious trouble, because we have a country with tremendous numbers of Nuclear Warheads 1800, by the way where they expanded and we didnt. 1800 Nuclear Warheads. And shes playing chicken. Look, putin mr. Wallace wait, but mr. Trump from everything i see, has no respect for this person. Mrs. Clinton well, thats because hed rather have a puppet as president of the United States. Mr. Trump no puppet. No puppet. Mrs. Clinton and its pretty clear mr. Trump youre the puppet mrs. Clinton its pretty clear you wont admit mr. Trump no, youre the puppet. Mrs. Clinton im not quoting myself. 17 mr. Trump our agencies he would rather believe Vladimir Putin than the illiterate silly intelligence devotionals who are sworn to protect us. I find that absolutely mr. Trump she does not like putin because putin has outsmarted her every step of the way. Amy lets go to more of the debate between Hillary Clinton and donald trump. This is Moderator Chris Wallace. Mr. Wallace fitness to be president of the United States. At the last debate, you said your talk about grabbing women was just that, talk and that you would had never asked a done it. And since then, as we all know, nine women have come forward and have said that you either groped them or kissed them without their consent. Why would so many different women from so many different circumstances over so many different years, why would they all in this last couple of weeks make up you deny this why would they all make up these stories . Since this is a question for both of you, secretary clinton, mr. Trump says what your husband did and that you defended was even worse. Mr. Trump, you go first. Mr. Trump well, first of all, those stories have been largely debunked. Those people i dont know those people. I have a feeling how they came. I believe it was her campaign that did it. Just like if you look at what came out today on the clips where i was wondering what happened with my rally in chicago and other rallies where we had such violence. Shes the one and obama that caused the violence. They hired people they paid them 1500, and theyre on tape saying be violent, cause fights, do bad things. I would say the only way because those stories are all totally false, i have to say that. And i didnt even apologize to my wife, whos sitting right here, because i didnt do anything. I didnt know any of these i didnt see these women. These women the woman on the plane, the i think they want either fame or her campaign did it. And i think its her campaign. Because what i saw what they did, which is a criminal act, by the way, where theyre telling people to go out and start fistfights and start violence. And ill tell you what, in particular in chicago, people were hurt and people could have been killed in that riot. And that was now all on tape, started by her. I believe, chris, that she got these people to step forward. If it wasnt, they get their 10 minutes of fame. But they were all totally it was all fiction. It was lies, and it was fiction. Mrs. Clinton well mr. Wallace secretary clinton . Mrs. Clinton at the last debate, we heard donald talking about what he did to women. And after that, a number of women have come forward saying thats exactly what he did to them. Now, what was his response . Well, he held a number of big rallies where he said that he could not possibly have done those things to those women because they were not attractive enough for them to be assaulted. Mr. Trump i did not say that. I did not say that. Mrs. Clinton in fact, he went on to say mr. Wallace her two minutes sir, her two minutes. Her two minutes. Mr. Trump i did not say that. Mr. Wallace its her two minutes. Mrs. Clinton he went on to say, look at her. I dont think so. About another woman, he said, that wouldnt be my first choice. He attacked the woman reporter writing the story, called her disgusting as he has called a , number of women during this campaign. Donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. He goes after their dignity, their selfworth, and i dont think there is a woman anywhere who doesnt know what that feels like. So we now know what donald thinks and what he says and how he acts toward women. Thats who donald is. I think its really up to all of us to demonstrate who we are and who our country is, and to stand up and be very clear about what we expect from our next president , how we want to bring our country together, where we dont want to have the kind of pitting of people one against the other, where instead we celebrate our diversity, we lift people up, and we make our country even greater. America is great because america is good. And it really is up to all of us to make that true, now and in the future, and particularly for our children and our grandchildren. Mr. Wallace mr. Trump mr. Trump nobody has more respect for women than i do. Nobody. Nobody has more respect mr. Wallace please, everybody. Mr. Trump and frankly, those stories have been largely debunked. And i really want to just talk about something slightly different. She mentions this, which is all fiction, all fictionalized, probably or possibly started by her and her very sleazy campaign. But i will tell you what isnt fictionalized are her emails, where she destroyed 33,000 emails criminally criminally after getting a subpoena from the United States congress. What happened to the fbi, i dont know. We have a great general, fourstar general, today you read it in all of the papers, going to potentially serve five years in jail for lying to the fbi. One lie. Shes lied hundreds of times to the people, to congress, and to the fbi. Hes going to probably go to jail. This is a fourstar general. And she gets away with it, and she can run for the presidency of the United States . Thats really what you should be talking about, not fiction, where somebody wants fame or where they come out of her crooked campaign. Mr. Wallace secretary clinton . Mrs. Clinton well, every time donald is pushed on something which is obviously uncomfortable, like what these women are saying, he immediately goes to denying responsibility. And its not just about women. He never apologizes or says hes sorry for anything. So we know what he has said and what hes done to women. But he also went after a disabled reporter, mocked and mimicked him on national television. Mr. Trump wrong. Mrs. Clinton he went after mr. And mrs. Khan, the parents of a young man who died serving our country, a gold star family, because of their religion. He went after john mccain, a prisoner of war, said he prefers people who arent captured. He went after a federal judge, born in indiana, but who donald said couldnt be trusted to try the fraud and racketeering case against Trump University because his parents were mexican. So its not one thing. This is a pattern, a pattern of divisiveness, of a very dark and in many ways dangerous vision of our country, where he incites violence, where he applauds people who are pushing and pulling and punching at his rallies. That is not who america is. And i hope that as we move in the last weeks of this campaign, more and more people will understand whats at stake in this election. It really does come down to what kind of country we are going to have. Mr. Trump so sad when she talks about violence at my rallies, and she caused the violence. Its on tape. Mr. Wallace during the last mr. Trump the other things are false, but honestly, id love to talk about getting rid of isis, and id love to talk about other things. Amy donald trump and Hillary Clinton facing off in the last president ial debate before the november election. When we come back, we get response from third Party President itial candidate dr. Jil stein. Stay with us. [music break] amy this is democracy now , democracynow. Org, the war and peace report. Im amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. After wednesdays debate, democracy now got response f from the green Party President ial n nomineer. R. Jill stein. Dr. Stein what a distressing, you know, our to have to sit through. Donald trumps psychosiss and Hillary Clintons distortions of her record and what the futuree would look like. The picture they paint of unbridleled militarism, which is already robbing us blind, taking up more than half of our discretionary budget i must half of your income taxes, only making the world a more dangerous place. That is terrifying enough. Add to that what they want to do with the economy. Donald trump is all about more trickle up, not trickle down, he wants more tax breaks. You know, hillary is s also not being clear with us about where we are going andnd what her trak record is. Hihillary laid the groundwork fr the financial crash of 2008 not hillary alone, ofof course, but she wasnt certain the supporting the policies of bill clinton that not onlys our jobs overseas but which also laid the groundwork for wall street youre a galatiaian and in fact, and acted wawall street deregugulation. Not to mentionon the antiimmigration legislation, ththe antiafricanamererican legislation that opened the floodgates to this racist war on drugs and the endless expansion of masass incarceration, particularly peoplple of color. It i is a v very i ththink is important for us as americans to look at what we are facing. This is s a race to the btom. M. Incredibleexit this spiral downward. The sooner we exit this, the better. Those who would say have to vote for the lesser evilil, it is important t to look at the track record for thahat because the lesser evil simply paves the w y to the greater evil because people just stopped coming out to votee for a lesser evil popolitician and l lesser evevil public to pushing you under the bus. The congress flips from blue to red as the Democratic Party has thoroughghly establied i itselfn the lesser evil partyty. So when is it going getet beer . If we dont stand up and fight now, when exacactly are weoingng to stand uand fifight . What is important rememberer is there are a actually enou p peoe right now, 43 million young people lockeked in debt, that if ththat word alone got out, we he the numbers, that isis a plurality, let alone 27 million latinos who have had it, who understand that the pupublicanss arthe e partyy of hate and feaer and the democrats are ththe pary of deportation, detention, and night raraids. In imprisononment of children ad familieses in these horrific private prisons. We h have a very bleak reality d for people Everybody Knows that donald trump is terririfyig and dangerous, but to think we are secure with hillarclclinton in the white house, where hillarclclinton isis tellings right now that she wants to start a warar with russia over yria, creating nonofly zone which means, folks, geget ready. Is gogoing to b be very hard tt to flyly excusee. E. Intoto world war iii here with hillary athehe helm, starting off her four years or whateverr her term is, starting off with declaring war agagainst rusussiy enenacting a nofly y zone. We need a weapapons embargo to e midd e east. We neeeed to put a freeze on the Bank Accounts of our supposed allies w who are continuining to fund terrorist enterprises. We got this mess going. Weanan shut itit down. We need a new offensive in the ddddle east. It is called a peace offensive. Were not going to hear that from either of the corporate sponsored Political Parties who are rolling in thehe f from the weapons industrtry, from the foa feel giants, from the war profiteers, from the big b bank. Were the ones we been waiting for. The biggesest way peopleive e up power is by not knowing we e hae it to start with. ; m me ask you the question for donald trump and to Hillary Clinton around whether you will accept the resultsts of the novemberer election, dr. Jill stein. Dr. Stein if there is evidence of fraud, we would certainly challenge that in court. In the green party, we have led the charge in pursuing election fraud. We would not hesitate to do that to the extent it is possible. However, there is no question about there being a rigged election here. Not in the terms donald trump is saying. Actually, the media has been enormously rigged on his behalf. 4 billion a free prprimetime media. Hillary had over 2 billion. 5 500,000ders had under million. Less s than that. The league of women voters called it a fraud being perpetrated on the american voters. The silencing of opposition voices through the Fear Campaign and the smear campaign. We dont create a better democracy out of our wounded democracyy by silencing opposition voices. Choiced move to a ranked Voting System in the blink of an i that can be done right now onn an emergency basis so that we liberate voters to vote their values. They can rank their choices. If your first choice loses, your vote is automatically reassigned your second choice, but the democrats wont pass it. My campaign has filed this bill and the Democratic Legislature of massachusetts 16 years ago. They will not let it out of committee because they rely on fear. ; me ask you something quickly before the end of the shohow, jijill. 5 of the vote nationallyly is a very important threshold. Can you talk about what thee green party needs to reach andnd how much money t they would getn matching funds f from the government . Dr. Stein thank you, amy. 5 wouldld be a game changer. The polls suggest were something under that, but not by far. Havect, the polls do not been likely voters, which is our base, millennials, people of color and latinos, really, disenfranchised voters. That is who wiwill be coming out to vote for us. We may be very close to that 5 threshold. C could eveven be beyd it. It is s important amy if you get it, what happens . Dr. Stein n if we get that 5 ,e not only have Ballot Access in most states, so whwhen we begin the election campaign, not only in the next president ial but in the down ballot races as well, we dont have to first fight for ballot status which has taken is the first year of the campaign. It means we can hit the ground runnining. It means we are then wewe received 10 million as a legitimate major party. Nermeen that is jill stein, the green Party President ial nominee. Amy we end with chris hedges and eddie glaude. Chris hedges begin by talking about his nenew peace donald trump the dress rehearsal for fascism. Watching trump for all of his mhallowness and narcissist and selfdestructive mess, nevertheless, has been able to run a fairly close race with Hillary Clinton. We saw from the leaked Podesta Emails that the clinton machine koch is the promoted, specially through the press, what they call these pied piper candidates, listing trump, cruz, and i forget the third. Carson. And the idea was that they wanted to give them legitimacy, wanted to push the more mainstream candidates like jeb bush closer to the lunatic fringe. That is because fundamentally, there is so difference between Hillary Clinton and a figure , what theyreey battling about is what freud called the narcissism of minor difference. And the danger with this election is that the longer the policies of neoliberalism, austerity, the security and surveillance state in essence, the paralysis on the part of our corporate state to deal with the suffering, grievances, and mounting rage of now over half the country who live in poverty, the more these lunatic fringe candidates like trump, these figures of ridicule, reminds me very much of what happened and you is lobby a current economic meltdown of yugoslavia, vomited of figures who were buffoonish figures before they achieved political power, much like much of the nazi party. I think that i is what we are watching. If we do not reverse the structural mechanisms by which we are disenfranchising g and refusing to o deal w with the mt fundamental rights and issues affecting a now majorority of te american popopulation, thehen we will get a fascicist or a kind f was a protofascist russian iced christianized fascism invited wiwith a litittle more popolitil savvy than trump. That is why i find this election soso frightening and so dangero. I ththink the fact the e power e leaves embodied by figurures lie the clintons and barack obama have been utterly tonene up to what is hahappening and fling a very, very dangerous game. On the one hand, promoting a figure like trump because his outrageousness gives her a kind of credibility without understanding another four years of what has been happening, it wont be an effective Clinical Strategy anymore. It wont be funny. Nermeen professor eddie glaude, earlier in the summer, you wrote a these called my democratic problem with voting for Hillary Clinton. Now some say that clintons victory is now more or less a foregone conclusion. You also talked about the necessity of strategic voting. Can you talk about bototh the arguments that you have made in light of where we stand today in the campaign and with the election less than a month away . Sure. I think that it is reasonable to conclude that Hillary Clinton is going to win. I think the internal polling for the republican on the republican side suggest that donald trump is going to go down pretty badly, that it is going to be pretty decisive victory. Some like Steve Schmidt are predicting that she is going to win upwards of 400 400 anand te electoral college. Some at 380. Some are declaring that this is going to be the destruction of the republican party. A lot of this has to do with the fact that donald trump moves between being, and ive said before, a lunatic and an adolescent. We can talk about him, but in kind of orienting us to this campaign, to be election cycle by emphasizing the ridiculousness and the audacity we have turned, ourselves away from our attention away from Hillary Clinton and the policies that have defined the Democratic Party up to this point. I think donald trump is an exaggerated indication that the rock is at the heart of the country and Hillary Clinton is the poster child for an Economic Policy that is left so Many Americans gone, particularly the most vulnerable. Ive said we need to suggest to Hillary Clinton and suggest to the Democratic Party the business as usual was no longer acceptable and that i could not vote for and i could not i can do that because i am in a blue state. And there are some who are in a red state who can vote their conscience, but if you are in the battleground state, makes all the sins of the world given who trump is to not vote for her. Does all of the sense in the world even who trump is to not vote for her. Not to vote for trump a vote for Hillary Clinton. This case, we need to be mindful in this moment. We need to understand who she is appointing as her transition team. We need to understand that personnel is policy. We need to see what our position will really be in terms of how she will govern economically who she is going to pick and choose for attorney general position, who is going to populate her government. I think once we get a better sense or if we Pay Attention to what she is doing, we will be even better mobilized and organized to bring pressure to bear on it presidency once novevember 8 happens. Amy what you think about this, chris hedges, this idea of strategic voting . I think it is an utter failure. One of the things the wikileaks Podesta Emails showed is that they were putting in place this neoliberal policy from an, now a u. S. Trade representative, the time was at citibank, in october before obama even achieved how of thomas sending out a list cabinet positions all of which most all of which came to pass. That is really happening now. I think we have to step outside this corporate twoparty duopoly and begin to empower right now the third party that i think represents or chahallenges corporate power, most effectively, the green has issues, functions well in cities like richmond, california, does not function as well in other places. But if they can pull 15 , that in 2020em Ballot Access in a few dozen states and it gives them 10 million. I think that now is the time, as a decade ago, to fight back. We have little time left. We have to remember, we have a large number of supporters of donald trump who celebrate american violence through the ,un coulter, culture nativist movements, and trump i think has made clear on the campaign trail that he will essentially attempt to discredit the system if he loses. And right now they are working with and assist them. But unleashing that rage, you know, or essentially legitimizing that rage and that kind of violence after the rent thewill begin to fabric of american society. We have no more time to play around. We have not even spoken about the issue of climate change. We know from the leaked emails that Hillary Clinton is a fan of fracking. She brags about promoting fracking in poland and other places as secretary of state. Weakness of the system itself cannot, i think, sustain much more of this assault without dramatic and andhtening blowback ramifications. And i think trump is systematic of that. As i have said many times, i think we have to do what many pretty must and parties in europe have done. We have to walk into the political wilderness. We have to tilt movements and we have to build alternative third parties. Challenge the system because the inevitable result is a kind of frightening police state, Legal Authority in place, physically and marginal commodities. They havent earned virtually into many police they have been turned virtually into many police states. The system of mass incarceration will not be affected in any meaningful way. Of course, the clinton spent much of it in place. With a all this courageous prisoner strike where they did work stoppages because they said the only way to stop the system of now slaveryry is to stop beig a slave. I think that is a level of political consciousness of the rest of us have to begin to attain. Amy professor glaude, your response t to chri hedgesrejection of strategic voting . I think we agree on principle. Part of where we agree is we have to keep trump out of office. The question for me is, how do we do that and one of the ways does im thinking we need to do it to vote strategically. In those places where we can, for me, blank out or vote for jill stein, we should. In those places where the battleground states where it matters, where trump i think we need to turn o out in massive numbers. Make sure that he doesnt win those states. I think we have to do two things simultaneously. I think he is right in this regard, i think what we have seen and what we have witnessed in this moment is the bankruptcy of a particular economic philosophy that has left so many people behind. And i think we need to dear to imagine in the world. But i think it is going to require strategical and that tactical thinking. On its face, chris and i are not agreeing. I think there are ways to get to the same end. From princetonde university and Pulitzer Prize winning journalist chris hedges. We spoke to them wednesday night during our debate night special broadcast. To watch the full special, go to democracynow. Org. And that does it for our show. Democracy now is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. Email your comments to outreach democracynow. Org or mail them to democracy now p. O. Box 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by democracy now ] [captioning made possible by democracy now ] amy from pacifica, this is democracy now mrs. Clinton that is part of my commitment to raise taxes on the wealthy. Social security, payroll contribution will go up, as will donalds, assuming he cant figure out how to get out of it. Mr. Trump such a nasty woman. Amy