Schiff, and in a week of speculation, well have reporters covering the campaign and put it all in perspective. Panel with great moments of leadership and courage in american history. Its all ahead on face the nation. Captioning sponsored by cbs this morning on face the nation. Im john dickerson. We had plans to start with john mccain and Lindsey Graham wo are in kabul, afghanistan, while we wait for their helicopter to land, well start to the house intelligence committee, adam schiff. I want to start with a more recent news. Attorney general lynch who has the ultimate say in the email case in which Hillary Clinton is involved, had a chance meeting with bill clinton on a tarmac. You were a prosecutor. Wouldnt the fact that the husband of someone you were investigating was on the tarmac at all set off alarm bells immediately . Well, it certainly could. Look, i think both of them wish their airplanes had nerve come near each other. And i think they both acknowledged they preferred they had nerve gotten together. I do think it was a chance encounter, and i do fully believe what the attorney general said, that they discussed nothing about the case, and just talked about their grandkids and playing golf. So i understand this was a regrettable instance where they got together coincidentally, and at the same time the attorney general said shes going to let the prosecutors make the case, and i have every confidence thats exactly what will happen. John and you think thats enough to put away the concerns of conflicts of interest or the shadow she said was brought about by the meeting . I think it is. Youre never going to satisfy some people, but i have tremendous confidence in the attorney general and director comey. Theyre straight shooters. Theyve been career prosecutors their entire lives, and if they say theyre going to conduct the investigation by the book, thats exactly whats going to happen. I have never confidence that they will make a completely apolitical decision and do whats in the public interest. John let me ask you about the substance of the server before we go on. Youre an expert, you understand Cyber Espionage. You know the reports of the russians hacking into the Democratic National committee. Thats a Security Matter in intelligence. Didnt having a private server at home leave a huge security vulnerability for the secretary of state . Well, using i private server was certainly a mistake, and the secretary acknowledged using any personal server, whether it was private or a commercial personal server has a security vulnerability. But we have a perspective. The state departments own server has been hacked. We know that that has been successfully breached. We dont know that there was any successful breach of secretary clintons server. The reality is, none of these servers are immune from cyber attack. You have to defend them the best you can, and the best practice is obviously to use a government server at all times and to make improvements to the servers which we are still light years from perfecting. But yes, it was an unnecessary vulnerability to use a private server, and the secretary acknowledged that. John given what you know about the efforts to get into the personal emails of all kinds of people in government, some attempts were probably tried. Given what you know about all the different efforts in Cyber Espionage . It certainly wouldnt surprise me. Look, we have hacks of the democratic party. Theres obviously great interest in the secretary and in donald trump in terms of foreign powers as well as criminal hackers. Yes, you would have to expect it would be a great interest. You have to expect that people would try to get in. I take the view, frankly, that everyone is going to ultimately have access to personal accounts. None of this can be trusted. Untomorrow unfortunately, the offence moves quicker than the defense in moving through the cyber door. John tirkish president said for terrorists theres no difference between istanbul, london, chicago, rome. Whats your feeling about these upticks in attacks and security in the United States. Were dealing with an enemy, and their attacks are strategic, and the massive attack in baghdad is designed to pull iraqi troops away from mosul. Where theres a hope relaunch and retake that town. Theyre designed to send a message to tushre turkish government that they fight on the border with isis, and make somewhere available for us for turkish bombing runs. The attack in bangladesh is a result of losing ground in places like syria and wanting to expand globally. Without the draw ofap expanding caliphate theyre going to show recruitment problems, and these are all strategic. Were going to have to intensify our security, and homeland security, and were going to have to work with muslim allies on bert countering this ideological draw that isis has, the perversion of islam. We have to intensify efforts. But it doesnt call to move in a completely different direction. Jax ub whatzoo john whats the feeling about the threat to americans traveling . Is there reason for concern . There is reason for more concern. I think the cia director brennan last week listed all the reasons why isis is still virulent. Theyre losing territory, but expanding global presence. And when people are selfradicalized and dont share plotting with others, that make its tough to stop. And were seeing turn of foreign fighters to places like europe where its significant about the recent attack in turkey. According to the turks. This is conducted by russians, and were seeing a return of the caucus fighters. They were taken from the battlefield and sent back as foreign fighters. The emphasis is changing on this global terrorism campaign, and that introduces new risks and new vulnerabilitys that unfortunately, all have to be aware of. John congressman adam schiff, thanks for breaking that down. And as we wait for the senators to land to break down the weekend in politics, were joined by molly ball. And jerry seib, and okeefe, a political reporter for the washington post. Gary, lets start with you. What is the status of her campaign at the end of the week . I think the fbis communications is the question of whether classified information was mishandled makes it clear for months that a final step would be the interview with the secretary herself. I think most people believe this is probably headed toward a conclusion that will stop short of criminal action and no indime. The problem is the bill clinton meeting means even if thats the conclusion there will be a cloud hanging over a successful end, and they call that an unforced error. John true n the short term, the meeting with bill clinton just put a bright light on this issue again, which is not a good one for Hillary Clinton. What do you think . Just feels like the republicans, the next thing theyll say is release the three and a half hours of testimony. When that doesnt happen theyll be able she keeps giving them opportunitys to create new ways to highlight this issue. As you were saying this is a cloud over her candidacy that she has had a role in keeping alive. And you know, the congressman talked about trusting the Justice Department to take an apolitical decision. I dont think they k. Any conclusion to this investigation is through a political lense. If it ends without indictment, a large number of people are suspicious, especially given that meeting that weed dont know what was discussed. And if it ends with an indictment, obviously, theres a huge problem for her candidacy. John how due see it playing out . I do think comey being involved is the silver lining. His reputation is marked solid, despite history, and the george w. Bush administration. We carries respect up there, and republicans have been saying we will trust his decision. Hes going to have to go to congress and explain himself in the Committee Hearing and what not, but then this week, of course, throw a wrench into that, and her saying leave it to the professionals is a way of trying to preserve some sense of a political Decision Making. The agony is heading toward a happy conclusion with the Bengahzi Committee releasing a report with no real bombshells. Depositions in a parallel lawsuit held, and nothing damaging came out of that. The Justice Department is heading toward a happy conclusion for mrs. Clinton. Now, of course, its hard to make a clean break. Thats a problem. John and doesnt it, molly, bring up the issue in the campaign of choices. Hillary clinton versus donald trump. Pluses and minuses for both. One pole shows his numbers are better than Hillary Clinton. Thats a weakness for her campaign. It absolutely is. I talked to her on the campaign trail, and i met former supporters of her who feel shes tainted and has too much personal baggage, from this issue, from the speeches and other seeming profiteering she did since leaving office. Theres a cloud over her candidacy. I think when you look at the polls that have Hillary Clinton ahead of donald trump, of them are under 50 . Even if they dont like donald trump. They have a hard time going to Hillary Clinton because of that issue. And the numbers youre referring to. 45 of americans find trump trust worthy, and 45 clinton trust worthy. Imagine if it wasnt trump. Imagine if it was rubio or cruz or bush or scott walker. Wed be closing the deal with her right now, because all of these issues regarding Decision Making and trust and whether she violated classified information zoosomeone who is held in higher regard would be able to make those arguments in a more reputable fashion than he can. John speaking of trump, jerry, let me start wu. He took on the issue of trade. There was a consensus that trade is good. Donald trump went after that saying trade has not been good. This is the change in the Republican Party in 2016. Not only are there questions about whether free trade should be embraced but the republican nominee will take that in the opposite direction, and i think one of the problems for the party is thats an issue on the populace side of the party that agrees with donald trump and you have the chamber of commerce who says it emphatically disagrees this week. I think it will be fascinating to see what the trade language on the republican platform says. My guess is it will say little to nothing. John molly, the republicans have been saying donald trump needs to say on message and give solid speeches. That was a good solid speech, but not on the republican message. Right. Well, i think that what were finding with trump is that you can professionalize the campaign, but you cant necessarily professionalize pore change the candidate. So he does he has given a few more professional sounding speeches. It is not a message that the republican establishment wants to hear, and he continues to run frontally against the establishment. Not just paper over the differences. Hes calling out the chamber of commerce by name, and the donor class, and establishment on the republican side. John were going to commercial. Hes running against two parties including his own. Well get back to that question in a moment. Stay with us. Ou had chickenpox then the shingles virus is already inside you. all oooh. Whos had chickenpox . Scoot over. And look that nasty rash can pop up anywhere and the pain can be even worse than it looks. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist. About a vaccine that can help prevent shingles. John were back with more from the politics panel. Finishing with donald trump and trade, this is a pitch to the sanders voters a little bit. Does he have a shot there . Not much. I havent seen a poll that shows a wide amount of shifting that would go to sanders to trump. And anecdoteally, ive had interesting conversations. I remember two hispanic voters in vegas. Saying trump makes a lot of good points otd economy, but hes racist, so i cant vote for him. And for a lot of sanders voters that will be the issue. Hes singing by song on the economics of all of this, but given his tone and style and what hes said about women and muslims and others, its something they cant tolerate. I dont see it. I think whats more for him is a play for pennsylvania which republicans make everybody four years. It might succeed in getting closer. And in ohio, he realized he has to if hes going to win the electoral college. John jerry, move to the Vice President ial slek fultionz. Donald trump, what is he do with a pick . Can he pick some of the republicans with him . One of the things hes said he wants to do is use concerns in washington by picking someone who can navidate washington. Thats a wide definition. He get with mike pence, governor ever indiana, who happens to have been a long time tomorrow in the houseRepublican Party and well respected. You please the social conservatives. Mike pences makes them comfortable and has washington experience. You can simply try to stay out of trouble, pick somebody safe. Thats true of both parties. But i do think the trump short list, chris christy, newt gingrich, and mike pence is a light one. I have a feeling theres a name we havent heard yet. John molly, think about christy and gingrich. As jerry was saying, one option is to pick an option with someone who makes no harm. Newt gingrich has a strong personality, donald trump has a strong permit. How does that work saying on the same song sheet given the problems with trump so far. We talk about it as Donald Trumps decision. Unlike other years, theres a lot of people taking themselves out of consideration. You see Chris Christie and gingrich saying they can subordinate their personalitys to his, and both of them have been doing that. And showing that they will stay on his message, which can be a challenging message sometimes. We saw bob corker has been very strongly in the mix, and then was critical of trump sometimes. If youre not willing to tow the line every single time, you lose points in mr. Trumps eyes. One more name ive heard about it richard burk from north carolina. Hes been mentioned, but not as prominently. Who knows, trump could wake up on a different side of the bed and go a different way. And the guys mentioned have nothing to lose. Gingrich isnt in office, and if it doesnt go well, hell go back to private life. If Chris Christie wins, he can go back to being governor for a few years. And relatives and paid staff dont like him right now in new jersey. And burk is a good friend of john boehner, and up for a tough reelection. If he doesnt win his reelection, and doesnt win Vice President , hell do just fine in the money department. All of these guys, really, are top of mind, at least and dont have anything to lose, despite the fact theyll have to work with trump. And with Chris Christie and newt gingrich, at different times have had favorability mired in the 30s. They, like trump, struggled to get undecided voters to like the ticket. John if theres nothing to lose, thats why to go with pence . They havent moved out. They are ahead of them or worryed to lose a critical seat. John on the other hand, it might keep it harder to keep in mrien. Jerry, donald trump is meeting with the house and Senate Next Week to mollys point in terms of trying to fix the campaign. What can he do . Mitch mcconnell said he wasnt a credibility candidate yet. Part of the concern in washington is that the campaign doesnt feel wloel yet. I think youre going to see things designed to fix that. Youre going to hear announcements of state directors to know theres an organization out there, and raise the numbers which they say are going to be pretty good. Youre go to have a Convention Program that comes out and makes it look conventional convention that some people think. And i think part of it is to have washington show up and hear them out. We have a Campaign Structure here. Its sound. It will get us from here to november. This is a critical week, john. The week after this coming one, from democrats start heading to cleveland to make sure now the convention mechanics will go. It brings back lawyers, guns and money. Youre going to have a lot of that odd chaos, and the bad feelings about the whole thing. If he doesnt do well this week john it wont camp down the restlessness . Exactly. John molly what about the Vice President al choice. What are the stakes there . I think theres a crucial signal that Hillary Clinton can sebd. Weve heard shes veting the progressive wick of the part. Tim cane from virginia, the states choice, and a centrist, and perhaps a couple other names flying around. But you know, she really has not yet defined which tact shes going to take as a general election candidate. Is she going to decide that she can go full blown liberal to bring in the bernie people and also because maybe thats where her heart is, and doesnt feel like she has to move to the center, or do the conventional thing and tacts to the center and tries to win some of the conservative leaning independents, moderates, maybe suburban voters who might have otherwise voted republican . I think the Vice President ial pick is powerful in that regard. John , thank you all very much. Apparently helicopter has landed. Well be back with senators ca main and graham. Stay with us. John earlier this week, we sat down with mitt romney at a festival. We spoke about the impact he thinks trump trum donald trump on the Republican Party and why he cant support the nominee. Hour nominee is saying its these mexicans coming across the border. By the way, more mexicans have gone home in the last five years according to the Census Bureau than have come in. But its them, and its muslims, and unfortunately, im afraid that the things that mr. Trump has said have been unfortunately, branding of our party in a negative way, and one consistent with an image many people have of my party. So i think its taken us in a direction which will be very unfortunate, long term. There are efforts to find an independent candidate. You said you would support an independent candidate. Make the pitch why someone who believes in the tenets of conservatism, why they should run. Well, i think its very highly public that Hillary Clinton or donald trump is the next president , so an independent candidate id love to see someone run who i can vote for. Hillary clinton, in my view, is not an ideal person to be president. I disagree with her policies on a host of areas, and at the same time, as ive expressed, i believe on the basis of temperament and character that those are areas where i feel i simply cant vote for him. So on that basis, im going to either write in my wifes name who would be ideal president , or ill write in the name of a third party cappedidate. Most people will choose between those two. For people its personal conscience. And i cant vote for either of those two people. John well be back in a moment. In my asthma treatment with breo. Oncedaily breo prevents asthma symptoms. 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John for most of you, well be right back with a lot more face the nation, including more politics and our president ial panel. Stay with us. John welcome back to face the nation. Im john dickerson. Joins us is republican senators john mccain and Lindsey Graham. A bit of a delay, but thank you, senators for being with us. Senator graham, i want to start with you. Attorney general Loretta Lynch said shell accept the fbis decision on the email server whatever it is. Due feel the same way. Senator mccain on the question of terrorism, in bangladesh overnight, and in iraq could the reverse set of terrorist challenges should the u. S. Response be . The u. S. Response should have been a long time ago, not to withdraw everybody from iraq. Now the president is on the verge of doing the same thing here in afghanistan, where things are not going well. And hes insisting on cutting numbers in half while the situation deteriorates. But what he should have done was to remain in iraq, and while alqueda went to syria and became isis, and now we see what were seeing. What we need to do is go to iraq and kill them. You can do that with 10,000 of a hundred thousand contingent, take them out of where they are basing some of these attacks, and then the ideological struggle to defeat this metastasizing affecting the middle east and the world. John senator kerry said the uptick in violence is related to the pressure that is being put on isis. He says its a sign theyre being put into a corner. Do you buy that . You know, we have made progress on the ground in iraq and syria, but there is no strategy to replace assad, and if assad stays in power, and the war in syria never ends, but the thing you want people to know is if you forget afghanistan, its at your own peril. This is where 9 11 originated. The president is about to make the nost consequential decision about troop levels. Mr. President , accept sound military advice. Leave the 9800, make it condition safe, and let the next president , whoever he or she may be deal with afghanistan. Please doont cut the troop levels in half. If you do, afghanistan is going to become iraq quickly. Johnandulatealize the full u American Military power. John some reports its dire. The government is in shaky state, and the taliban is making advances. For an American Public that has seen 15 plus years of war in afghanistan, leaving the troops there feels like throwing good after bad. Well, then that means we have forgotten the lesson of 9 11. Those attacks came from, and that was a base here in afghanistan. We cannot afford to consign afghanistan to that status again. Of course, if we leave, and these forces take over, then there will be further attacks on the United States of america. By the way, theres going to be further attacks on the United States of america, as long as they have a base in sear ya, but then theyll have another base in afghanistan. John senator graham, i want to ask you about turkey. A year ago a lot of analysts say turkey was turning a blind eye to isis. A lot of them went through turkey, and turkey was an enabler has one person put it. Where is turkey in terms of the fight against isis . Well, going in the right direction. Give the Administration Credit for putting turkey more on board. But this attack in turkey is a greater problem that turkey was antagonistic toward israel. And now we have a new relationship between turkey and israel. Thats a good sign. In afghanistan, dash or isil is going in capability. So turkey coming to the fight will help us in syria and iraq, but we dont have a strategy to destroy isil. The next president will have to deal with that. What were doing with syria is buying time. President obama is passing this on to the next president , and i hope to god we dont get hit in the United States from an attack from syria like you saw in turkey. Im afraid thats going to happen if we dont speed up the demise of isil. John senator mccain, Lindsey Graham mentioned the next president. Would trump trump or Hillary Clinton donald trump or tril tril be better in handling those issues . I dont think either one of them have displayed the necessary strategy and outlook, the planning that and reliance on our military leaders that will be necessary to succeed. I hope whichever one is president , that they would call in the David Petraeus and robber ford, and those individuals, both military and state department and dip plats who succeeded in iraq before the president gave it all away, who know what we need to do to defeat this threat militarily and diplomatically and other ways. Either one of them should call them in and do what they recommend, and that way we can succeed, because america is still the strongest nation on earth. If i can add, john, i think both clinton john senator mccain, you mentioned a number of advisers. I mentioned our advisers, have all either had serious questions about trump or i wonder why youre supporting donald trump given our reservations of the people you trust . Well, as i said, i would support the nominee of the party. I have strong disagreements, and weve just been through several of them, and thats my position. John senator graham, would you just add what you were planning to before the time delay got in the way . I think clinton and trump both would have a condition based withdrawal from afghanistan. Whether it comes to syria, and trump says its okay for assad to stay, it tells me he has no idea what that means for the region. Israel is in threat from iran, and iran is arming hezbollah with guided missiles, the trip to israel was unnerving to say the least. The syrian silv war is having an affect throughout the region. Mr. Trump, you need to rethink that. And secretary clinton wants a no fly zone in searia. Thats a great step in the great direction. John senators, thanks for being with us. Happy 4th of july. Well be back with the 4th of july book panel. Its not something you do now and then. Or when its convenient. At bp, its training and retraining in stateoftheart simulators so were better prepared for any situation. Its giving offshore teams support from onshore experts, so we have extra sets of eyes on our wells. And its empowering anyone to stop a job if something doesnt seem right. So everyone comes home safely. Were working every day at bp, to improve our training, our technology, our culture. Dougla john this 4th of july, we thought wed delve in the history of a president and military leaders. Joining us are arthurs of last of the patriarchs, Thomas Jefferson and the empire of the imagination. And douglas brinkley. Author of rightful heritage franklin d. Roosevelt and the land of america. Thank you for being here. Annette. Let me start wu. The complexity of these people, Thomas Jefferson seems to have the most complexity, and people are shifting their positions about him. Start worry me, if you would, about the complexities of Thomas Jefferson, and how we should think about him, and also historical figures in general. Well a great biographer describes him as six men rolled into one. It gives a lot of people something to think about. A statesman, a plantation owner, he wrote the creed all men created equal. And also the american creed, talking about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it brings a complexity that people find interesting. Arthur arthur herman, you say it was the last american hero. He had extraordinary victorys and failures. Can it exist anymore . How could he have so much upside and downside . What you have to realize about him is the heroic image was selfcrafted. Very much, you have to remember a figure of almost from the 19th century when you think about it today, he those who talk about George Armstrong custer, the way he crafts his trademark iconic image with the corn cob pipe, and the hats and the sunglasses. But also someone who this isnt true for everybody that theyre writing about. He occupies no fixed point in the american historical imagination. Hes always seen in different lights and new ways and often revileed and often someone who celebrateed and revered. And this is part of macarthurs fascination. Its all the men that he embodied together into a singet portrait. I hope thats what ive done with this book. And macarthur is language overdue. F. D. R. Was sometimes two different people between two consethative meetings. Wasnt that part of his genius . Everybody thought he was on their side. Nobody knows what my left hand is doing compared to my right hand. He didnt even know. Anybody who took a meeting with f. D. R. Came out thinking they got what they wanted only to find out they didnt. He was an extraordinary politician. The key to understanding f. D. R. In my mind is the sanctified landscape where he was born and lived has whole life. He always had a home plate. Like Thomas Jefferson, he could give his energies and refurbished from going there, and roosevelt said, people think my husband is not an intlectual, but the truth is he has a math mind. He knew never county and backroad and creek, not just in new york state, but ail over america, thats how he was able to do the wpa and the civilian conservation planting trees and saving historical sites, the dust bowl, the great depression. The stock market crash. He saw it, and the nation of the farmers and the landscapes of america. John Jean Edward Smith, youve written about a lot of president s, and you write clitically about george w. Bush, and his Decision Making. In all the president s youve studied. Grant, f. D. R. And bush, talk about the Decision Making and the quality of a president. What makes a good Decision Making president and one not so good . I think the good quality is longing at all sides of an issue. And george w. Bush did not . George w. Bush came to office with a certain view, and became the decider. And cheney and his underlings in the white house. Bush was making the decisions and bush came to a process believing he was gods agent on earth. With that view, you can get into trouble. John arthur herman, macarthur was sure of what he believeed and got into crashes with president s. He wouldnt be put off with the comparison of god as a figure. He is one of the reasons i have the subtitle, the american warrior. Hes objects just as war with american foes but his own leadership, including in the army. Including three president s, hoover, roosevelt and truman. Its amazing when you think about it, because considering his eformous rise within his chosen prfltionz, the u. S. Army, the fact that he is never able to restrain himself from telling superiors when theyre wrong, and he thinks theyre wrong, and he is grating nerves. Its an amazing career. Basically hes driving his career through the army with the parking brake on. Hes achieved things and been an amazing decisive commander in world war i, world war ii and korea. Hes amazing ability, and power of position. John well get back to jefferson in a minute. To his point. F. D. R. Could stand up with marketure. But he needed Douglas Macarthur american warrior. Six days before macarthur died, he made macarthur the head of the pacific command. He tolerated somebody who annoyed him, because macarthur was going to win the campaign against japan in the pacific theatre. John were going to pause and be back with the authors in a moment. John were back with more from our authors, i want to start with you issue the point annette was making about jefferson and slifry. Its a contradiction. Where was jefferson actually . He was on slaves, and then he wrote about the freedom of men. What are we to think . He thought slavery was a radical injustice that must in time be rectified. His plan for that was that justice would be done by emancipating the slaves. So far, so good. But expatriating them, and sending them to a country of their own. The hard truth that we dont like to face is that the nation that jefferson was creating was a white nation. It didnt really respect the human rights, the natural rights of enslaved people. It could only be fulfilled elsewhere, and then they could become an independent people, a free and independent people. Its ironic that he uses the language of the declaration of independence where we talks about the ultimate freedom of slaves, but we will recreate them somewhere else and create a free and independent people. In other words, the independence is an assertion of nationhood, and nationhood for enslaved people would be asserted by their white masters. He suggests there could be a multiracial people. He didnt have of the confidence that whites and blacks kds live together without conflict. And thats the problem we have. John Jean Edward Smith i want to go back to the question of president s in general. Written about president s and generals. George w. Bush, and his military, and building off the military and george bush was commander in chief, and definitely was commander in chief. This was a superior suboard natd relationship. And i think its fair to say that the first two chairmans of the joint chiefs didnt get along. I dont think most americans realize it, but the joint chiefs are no longer in the battle of command. It goes from the secretary of defense to it is commander. And the joint chiefs after the Goldwater Nichols act in 1986 were the chain of command, but they are the joint chiefs. They do command the army. So its a very complicated situation. It holds true, xoept for general petraeus. I think petraeus and george w. Bush f. D. R. , what he did with the conscienceivation corps, how much remember barack obama and the shovel ready, it was hard to pass. And the stimulus, how hard was that for f. D. R. It do . He was governor of new york state in 1928, and did have Unemployed Army in new york state. He took that program, which was f. D. R. s president program, weeks after his historically, we have nothing to fear inaugural and ending up hiring and paying a dollar day to young men at state parks and National Parks and historic sites. He would push forward bringing the National Parks and in the white house psh forward the memorials and generations dying off. Many are in their 90s now, but they all have diaries now. They planted almost 3 billion trees from 1933 to 1942. Then congress defunded it, and it was one of the most successful programs. Theres a call now. Can we do something for the young people . They have uniforms on, and this 4th of july, if you go to olympic or channel zu, lands or mammoth cave, everglades, smokys. The ccc had a big role in that. And they couldnt have done it without that. They needed somebody to run the camps for the young men and what would about organization and logistics. And the army when roosevelt turned to the War Department to get them to help, there were a lot that said were not going to waste our time with this nonsense. And macarthur said no its an opportunity. In a period of time when budgets were slashed and the pressitage was at a low eb, this is a way to prove what we can do. Sometimes people say it was a important requisite for the u. S. Mobileivation of world war ii. Thats not accurate. But it did help u. S. Army officers, and reserve r. O rotc, and many unwilling young men to Work Together and to train and to perform these kind of very complicated logistical tasks all over the country. Jefferson believed in the progress of the american experiment. It was led through dark times. What would he say now when everybody says the system is a mess. How did he retain faith in the evolution of things even in the darkest of times . Because he had a scientific bent. He extrapolated from progress and science in progress in every day life. People always ask me about the challenge. I think he would be a little bit concerned about the antiintellectualism that exists in the country today, and the sort of inward service that we thought we should be involved in foreign engtanglements. He did think the americas should engage the world. And let me say also that maybe we know too much. Were disenchanted and disillusioned. Its hard to believe in progress when we think we know everything, and the things that are emerging now are frightening to us. The recent progress is based on the few things you could know, i think his relationship to nature is crucial. These things inward with nature that god has a plan, and it will work out. And the sense of a destiny that combines, you might say, natural religion, and science into the future. F. D. R. Had that too. Yes. John i have to pause. Well carry on the conversation on the face the nation website. Thank you all for being here and the continuing conversation. For the moment. Thats it for us. Well be right back. Geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides. John we pay tribute this morning to Nobel Prize Winning author and holocaust survivor. Eli lost his empire family in a concentration camp. And the message of love is not hate. He protected genocide ashd the world. Ezell was 87 years old. Thats it for us today. Thanks for watching. Have a happy 4th of july. Until next week for face the nation, im john dickerson. Captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org if life gives you lemons made lemonade. Alexandra scott sold lemonade and hope. Shes the little girl with the Lemonade Stand. And a big legacy. Gives familys hope, innovation on the Innovative Research and cures. Cures for childhood cancer. Alex scott a Lemonade Stand, a dream, a stand for hope. Hi everyone im jessica dean. Im ukee washington. You know its been 16 years since alex scott set up that Lemonade Stand on her front lawn. 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