Captioning sponsored by cbs good morning again, on that earthquake on the west coast, it is a 6. 0, it was reported north of San Francisco in the napa centrally. The u. S. Geological survey says it is the largest quake to shake thea sincs about tell, good morning to you, yes, n napa, bob, and this is a real close to the epicenter. This really shook plus the middle of the night a 6. 0 american foley. We are beginning this morningre ic really more worried about is the th group, because make no mistakevertime, with enough space and planning, this can could become the most significant Terror Threat we have ever paced in this country. Shortterm the assessment is, maybe they can inspire somebody to do something, you know, kind of a a one off homegrown inspired attack but overtime since they have western recruit and that is a key point they could put together a big template that would rival Something Like 9 11 thats what we are really trying to stop. And mike talking about getting people into this country, because that seems to be what chuck hagel secretary of disefns was talking about, this is not so much about what is going on in iraq, it is a lot about that but the threat that it poses to the homeland. I think there are three things we have to worry about, two are shortterm and one is longterm, two and a half, three years, we need to style attack by isis. Margaret, you were at the pentagon today last week and you were there when the secretary of defense and the chairman of the joint chiefs both gave their move, posed by isis. What is happening now . Are we planning to step up the attack on isis . Perhaps going even into syria . Well, it changed the calculus exactly the attack on james foley is subjected as a terrorist attack on the u. S. , i was at the pentagon and asked the chairman of the joint chiefs about the need to sort of strike at the safe havens which so many officials have been talking about privately for some time. Which is, you can contain them shortterm, isis but in the longterm, it is actually not them at the place that their fighters can run to, air strikes in iraq you can run right back over into the safe haven in syria. And so, pentagon officials are heading to the region today tomorrow and they are looking at what can be done now, the problem is if you hit from the air, even if you are involved in air strikes and even if they get a coalition to join in that what do you do on the ground . Because really, the u. S. Has chosen hot to scale up this Small Program of training and equipping moderate rebels, hasnt been industrial strength and havent built and army and a big question how do you back that up . Where the president at some point wont he have to go to the congress if he plans to step this up in a marriage kind of way . I and what is the administration thinking . Do you think they will get congresss approval . Well, you have this request for 500 million to train and equip the Syrian Rebels, the until 2015 so the is no shoulder behind that to get that through right now on behalf of the administration, when it comes to air strikes, yes, you are right you would have to consult or at least seriously speak about it with numbers of congress but it doesnt seem like much will happen in the next few weeks there is an upcoming nato meeting at the beginning of september and you can expect uk, french and other officials to be participating in this as well. You have to have intelligence, if you are going to decapitate a terror group like isis and take out the leadership we have seen abu about a car the leader go to the mosque and give very brazen sermon if you are going to attack these people you need to have a robust intelligence operation that i was you specific what is called actionable intelligence that would allow the president to launch some kind of raid or a drone strike. A and right now i think mike wo intelligence wee ground in syria fairly spogoin e a long time to get under control. There are two things we have to, we have to. Do we have to away their safe haven their territory. That requires a political solution in iraq, which is going to require us to continue to press the iraqis to do the right thing, our gulf arab allies to press the iraqis to do the right thing, the iranians to press the iraqis to do the right thing and then we need to get a solution in syria to take that territory away. And then the other thing we need to do is take the leadership off the battlefield, we have to identify them through intelligence and capture or kill them, we have to remove them from the battlefield. I want to thank you all for this insight and analysis. We want to go now to republican senator Kelley Ayotte a key member of the Senate Armed Services committee she is joined from the home state of New Hampshire and the home state of james foley. Senator, what do you think of the administrations actions so far on this . What do they need to dopresident decides to step up this situation . Well, bob obviously in New Hampshire, the brutal murder of james foley really brought home this week the threat that it presents to us and our country and i think what a containment strategy is not going to cut it we need a strategy to defeat isis. It is a imminent, em eminent threat to us, the sophistication of this group the funding the territory they control and we immediate a strategy that is going to e them the military equipment that they are requesting, and also look at supporting more and more support and enhancement for the moderate opposition in syria to deal with the sanctuaries in syria, we have to do that if we want to defeat isis as the chairman of the joint chief of staff said this week and say also the political solution is important. We need an Iraqi Government that is inclusive and also need leaders to condemn isis, to make sure that they are saying that isis has to go, and finally i there is a disconnect with sequester from the threats we face around the world and the resources we are going to peed to fight this threat. Well, congress is on vacation, the president has been on vacation. And let me just ask you first the president has been under intense criticism for being on vacation while all of this do you think the criticism of him was justified . Well, i certainly dont begrudge the president taking time for vacation, but i think there was a perception, disconnect when he gave timfjhec8v speech obvious appreciated saying we needed to when that day after he was going golfing so i think hxze has t from him is arategy to disis and that t to us and present to us. Welllso has been envoy case indication said it is on vacation most of the year, certainly the least Productive Congress that i can recall. Do you think that congress can be brought together and find a way to focus on this and to find a way to stage some sort of counterattack or do something in response to what is happening this wole thing is falling apart, and this threat as the secretary of defense said, is greater than ever. Bob, i do think congress can be brought together. First it starts with president ial leadership but the congress has to recognize and listen to what our defense officials are saying that this is an imminent threat to us and i know from seeing my constituents are thinking about what happened to him thisr country, the threat it presents with those who have gone from america to fight in this jihad in, and the terrorists that can come and hit us, have all the congress has to come together and i think it starts with president ial leadership but as a member of congress i think we have a to of this nation first, beyond partisan divide. And you in contact with mr. Foleys parents, you aore funeral, i guess later o going through this, the pain that they feel and no one can describe that but i have beene way they have handed themselves, the strength they show the resilience and most lines. He had a passion for the truth and i know that they are very proud of their syria and other conflict regions. So that is really i know what they are focusing on and i think that we appreciate certainly their family and the way that they have conducted themselves and our hearts go out to them and what they are going through. No family should have to experience what they have experienced. Well, thank you so much senator, thank you, and we are going to turn now to House Budget Committee chairman and 2012 republican Vice President ial nominee paul ryan. He is here this morning because he has a new book out the way forward, renewing the american idea. He is joining us from orlando and the we will get to the book and talk about it in some detail in a minute, congressman, but i have to ask you first about this whol situation that has arisen with isis. This is the president doing enough . What should be done here . Will you support air strikes into syria if that becomes necessary . Well, first of all i dont think i am hearing enough from the president. I bet the sense that secretary hagel and general dempsey understand the gravity of the situation, candidly, bob gropt hear from the president how he is reacting to event like the mosul dam what i want to hear from the command in chief he has a strategy for finishing isis off and defeat isis lets not forget there are reportedly thousands of terrorists with foreign passports, if we dont deal with this threat now foley, fully and convincely it will come home to roost so no, i dont think the president has given us the kind of strategy we need, that is number one number 2, i think we should let the generals determine the strategy i dont want to be an Armchair General and tell you how this needs to be done but reference the fact general dempsey did say to do this correctly that syria is going to have toe a part of this equation. Let me ask you about a couple of things in your book, i want the strategy oure beening was flawed there beginning to end, it was a suicide but a lot of members were more afraid wha didnt jump off the cliff. Ld ask you first, you say that back then . Because i want party that passage is to try to unify our pa success if all we dze and deinst the wh principles and policies i put ina and tional so that we can win a majority of the americans votes to save this country from what i believe is going on, down the wrong track. Getting the government they deserve. People who are struggling are not given the opportunity they need they getn angel think economy and meca is los word world and that secure and we need to showill give the founding principles to the Problems Solutions going forward. Thats the kind of election i think people deserve. Give them a choice of a future so they can see and determine what kind of country they want to have so that if and when you win that kind of election we have the obligation, the moral authority and the mandate to fix this countrys problemssaon something about third time is a charm. Gested8 if he did decide to run ben you would support ipo would. I think he would fake a make a has the temperament to be a fantastic wi have ablican party with a big tent that gives the country a Better Future that can win the majority of votes in this country. We need to win the Electorial College and we need to win National Elections so we can get this country on the right track and whoever our no, is going to be will need ebb everybodys help so what i want to do here is get us on the sam team, same page and unify the movement so we can win convertsfj to our cause. 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There are also several significant fires and Power Outages in the region as well. We will keep you posted as the developments come in. There were protests again last might in the city of ferguson, missouri, following the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager by a white police officer, but the demonstrations were far smaller in scope than they had been earlier last week. A funeral for Michael Brown will be held monday, congressman William Lacy Clay represents ferguson and he will be among the speakers at the service. He joins us now from st. Louis, congressman, thank you so much for coming in this morning. We learned last night that the president has now ordered a review of this program that allows the pentagon to sell and give military combat equipment, surplus equipment, of course to various Police Forces around the country. Do you think this program ought to be just flat ended . Well i applaud and appreciate the president s quick action on the 1033 program as you know earlier this week congressman cleaver and myself met with secretary of defense hagel about the program, because i was so alarmed when i went to ferguson and walked with the demonstrators and saw this heavily Armed Police ForceTactical Unit point a sniper rifles at my constituents who were there exercising their Constitutional Rights and so that is what alarmed me and i applaud and appreciate the president s Quick Response to our concerns. You, congressman, are going to be speaking at the brown funeral tomorrow. Are you concerned that the funeral might reignite the tensions there . I am not really concerned about the funeral reigniting the tensions. I guess what i am most concerned about, and i made a promise to Michael Browns parents that i would do everything to bring all of the resources of the federal government to this investigation so that it is transparent, so that it is a viable investigation and we bet to the truth. Now, i am more concerned that if we do not get to the truth and get to what actually happened and bring justice to this situation, then there is going to be a problem in the streets. Schieffer what do you think the first thing that needs to be done down there right now . Right now is to improve policecommunity relations. There needs to be a frank discussion about how we change the way the Africanamerican Community is policed. These people were sworn to serve and protect and apparently that is not happening here. And so we have to change that dynamic. I think police should be required to wear a body camera and i think each car each the future, there is no dispute. It is all on tape and then we can sort out the evidence in a clear way. All right. Well congressman, thank you so much and all of the nation will be thinking about you at this funeral tomorrow and the brown family, of course. We want to talk about more about of this, the news both foreign and domestic joined by our panel this morning, cbs correspondcorrespondent Margaret Brennan is back along with david rohde of router and Washington Bureau chief susan page and i also want to say we hoped to have wash 8ington post reporter my niamalika any with us this morning but just a few minutes ago her office told her to come back to the newspaper supervise their earthquake see this, you the thirds thought the black went too par in ferguson so maybe if we think we have an African American africanamerican attorney attorney general, a lot of us think we have made Real Progress in race relation has this is a reminder of how far we still have to go. Well it brings back to tho of us a certain age that course, what we oj Simpson Trial where the perception just split right down the middle how it was viewed by one community and how it was viewed by another. Lets talk about this situation in isis and all of that. Park rhett, you were talking about there is there is planning at least underway at the pentagon about striking back maybe even into syria, i think it is going to be very very difficult to get the congress to agree on any kind of plan at this point, when you stop to think about it when did the president extend up this half Million Dollars request, not half million, but 500 million. Train and equip program for the Syrian Rebels, that was just a few months ago. Yes it just sat there, nobody seemed to think well we will get around to it when we get around to it. Right. And that wouldnt be funded until 2015 so there is not necessarily a Quick Reaction to the isis threat on that level, at least there is a smaller Covert Program to train some rebels, but building up an army to fight isis doesnt happen overnight. Certainly some programs could be launched the one of the other challenges here beyond congress is getting an arab country in the region to agree to host such a train and equip program, because so many fear then becoming a target if they take in these fighters to, fighters to make them actually be a standing force. Has anybody said oh let us do that. The jordanians are reluctant. There is some training they allow the u. S. To conduct for special forces for iraqis and others but there is real reluctance to advertise that, because then it is seen as you are in the game. But bigger picture, it needs to be articulated before the president goes to congress or speaks to the public here and it is not clear that there is one that the president is comfortable taking, at least noty that would marry hiju7ero and i think reasons for that arederstandable, but other countries are, and that is what is complicating this. Yes. I think it is a time, it is the time for the International Community to talk about in lack of a strategy. I agree with the american approach which is to the, to be fair to the other countries the u. S. Governmss a ransom the u. S. Will eye to that. The problem is that the european countries, france, we saw this in the foley case he was held with french hostages, spanish hostages danish hostages, they were allan compete with that, the foley family couldnt compete with that and it is not working, there is one estimate that al qaeda affiliates have got 10,125,000,000 ransom primarily from european governments just in the last five years. What do you think the impact of the foley killing is going to be susan . My sense is that it was a macabre kind of way a wakeup call, certainly we saw the statements coming out of the pentagon this week, they took a much sharper edge as it were. Is that reflecting what is going on at the pentagon or i mean at the white house or do you think that the state department and the pentagon pay be ahead of the white house on this . You know, i think this could be a real turning point. You had mike morales saying this is the most complex terrorism problem he ever encountered what kind of statement is that from someone who is a career cia intelligence operative . That is a terrifying statement from your previous guest and i think it is really, the horrific, the horrific scene there i think is has really touched a lot of americans the question is, what has been the impact on president obama . Because we have seen in the past president obama has at times talked pretty tough but he has been kind of allergic to military action when it comes right down to it. Does this change his calculus of what to do . That i think is the question to watch. President goss on vacation and i cant recall a one who went on vacation that didnt get some criticism for doing it, lbj would go to his ranch president , first president bush went to kennebunkport. The other bush went down to crawford texas. But this president seems to be especially criticized for this vacation. What do you what do you suppose that is about . I dont think anybody who is fair begrudges president s vacation. We know how exhausting that job is. I thought the white house could have shown a little more sensitivity after the statement following the president made following the execution of jim foley, to then immediately go to the golf course, you know, it is the i guess the word we use now is the optics the optics of that were a little jarring, and i thought possibly it would have been wise of the president to do Something Else in the period right after making that statement. Do you think it has anything to do, david, and margaret, with just the fact that america is coming out of two very long wars . The country is really stick of war. I dont think there is any question about that. It is almost we are seeing a feeling almost as if it was before world war ii, when the nation was sick of war and you had a strong isolationist atmosphere in this country led by lindbergh who says we have to stay out of wars. In many ways, we are in kind of a situation like that right now because this threat and i agree with these assessments. This is a group of anything we have really dealt with, even on the terrorist front up until now. Well, i think one of the pr the statements, you know, the American Public is war wary they may very well be but the National Security community can never afford to be and many policy makers i mean i remember sitting in briefings back in october of 2013 of the state department where they were warning about the high number of suicide bombings that of a border between iraq syria, and certainly the Intelligence Community has been warning about this for some time. So within the National Security establishment has said they have been worried, and there hasnt been a follow through on strategy in a more robust way i think there are legitimate questions to be asked there about why it would seem there is a degree of ketchup being played. I think i want to come back to one of the things that david was talking about with the prisoner question there is a lot of frustration among some of these families, these hostages that not enough is done and i think this question of what happened with the decision to swap Sergeant Bergdahl for some prisoners in that were held at Guantanamo Bay also also brought to to the forefront what precedent if any has been set there and perhaps should if not money be prisoner squats or things considered. I am not saying it is legitimate but i am saying the question is now being raised. Lets take a break and come back and talk about this and some of the other news of the week when we come back. And back now to talk about the news of the week, david, we talk about the search for isis and trying to find these bases there is another equally intense search going on, margaret touched on it, and that is the search for arab allies to help us in this deal. Yes. And i think that is at that. A key issue and talk about this also can the president sort of move American Public opinion to get citizens to support a limited effort and get the arab state to back us, i think americans are skeptical we dont have allies in this region. There is good news the kurds have been fighting well, they retook that dam near mosul. I think there are allies and i think we need to have a longterm strategy to arm and train local forces, most people dont like the Islamic State most muslims are horrified and disgusted by the killing of jim foley, the president needs to lead on that he gave a much stronger statement then went golfing and that was the first clear vision i heard about him about the threat we face and he heeds to now respond and describe a new strategy that is not bootsma on the ground george bush style but not, you know, just drones, you know, barack obama first term style. You saw today isis is out there taking credit and you have seen some syrian activists talking about the fact they have taken and air base in syria that was controlled by the Syrian Regime. With where you saw the assad regime sort of be complicit in the rise of isis according to some diplomats now you are seeing out right fighting between the two and this idea circulating out there may be the u. S. Should partner with someone they call a war criminal to take on isis. The reason that question is even being raised is because of what david is talking about not really having a clear ally in the region, in terms of arab countries being willing to fight alongside the u. S. On this one but also because while u. S. Air strikes are backed up by movements on the ground by kurds and iraqi army in iraq, in syria, there is no sirrian moderate syrian moderate opposition that backs up army, what is air strikes and what is that strategy going to be if you get a coalition to hit through some coordinated action. Well it wasnt so long ago when there was a debate in the Administration Whether we should give some sort of support to those to the good Syrian Rebels that are fighting assad. We famous lino now secretary clinton wanted to do that, the president vetoed it. And that was about a year ago wasnt it . Right. Well almost exactly a year ago the u. S. Was having a conversation about strikes against the Syrian Regime and those were called off and almost exactly a year later we are talking about hitting what the u. S. Sees as a new enemy isis here. Isis has been fighting the moderate rebels that we have been saying we have been supporting. They have been at war with each other. And so in the absence of alternatives you are left with these two very dirty partners here right . You go with isis you go with the assad regime. It is not clear what the u. S. Can do if they can quickly train moderates to step up and fill that gap or whether they even want to. Schieffer susan lets talk a little bit about paul ryan coming out with this book where it turns out he was very strongly against shutting down the government. He didnt say much about it at the time when republicans did that, but i suppose he is laying the groundwork to run for president if it works out but he is taking the first early stems. I think he is far from making that decision. I have a slightly different situation. I went to an interview about his book about ten days ago and i got the impression he is somebody we havent seen in town for a long time and that is a legislator. He is taking over the house ways and Means Committee in the new congress. He wants to do a big tax overhaul and deal with entitlements and i think the impression he cares as much about instituting the policy as he does about getting the that isnt to say he wouldnt like to be president or run for president but he is just 44 years old now. I really got the impression he might just focus on congress and how long has it been since we have had somebody who actually wants to pass legislation in congress . Schieffer well, and being the chairman of the house ways and Means Committee which is where all tax bills originate in the congress is no small chairmanship. That is probably the most powerful post i would on capitol hill once you get past the leadership, the speaker and so forth. We used to call it the powerhouse ways and committee and we stopped calling it that because so little gets done but we saw murray, the democratic chairman make a deal on the budget in just a couple of months ago so maybe there is some possibility foreseeing something happening on the hill that puts to shame the last couple of years when everything has been schieffer and, you know, the other part, talking about paul ryan and whether or not he is going to run this little joint appearance he made with mitt romney, the other day where he said, when he sort of teased him about whether he was going to run again. I in the back of he mind tend to think if thinks break right and republicans cant kind of figure out where they want to go, mitt romney might be the nominee again. Nobody has told me that, but again, this just keeps popping up. I interviewed mitt romneys wife after the election, and i asked her if he might run again thinking she would say never again, we will never do this. She did not rule that out. I think it is possible that you could, you know, people have run for president often kind of like it and want to run again and again. We saw somebody like George Mcgovern and even after they have been defeated want to run again. So i agree. I think it is possible to see a scenario where mitt romney runs again, could even once again be the republican nominee. All right, us susan page, thank you guys. We will be back with a preview of a new memorial in washington. So stay with us. Hey buddy, how are you doing . Good. Spokesperson get a 1,000 turbocharged reward card with a new volkswagen turbo. Why are we so obsessed with turbo . Because we like giving you power but we also like giving you fuel efficiency. Like the sporty jetta. And the turbocharged passat tdi® clean diesel. Okay. And the iconic beetle. And the powerful tiguan. Okay you cant forget the cc. Guys, this is going to take a while. 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In the nineties when i played Lieutenant Dan thats when i got involved with the wounded through the dav disabled veteran Americans Organization and invited me to their national convention, and i really didnt know what to expect and i walked out on that stage and i saw 2,000 injured Service Members applauding me for playing a role and it was very, very moving and stayed actively involved with the dav now for going on 20 years and have been involved with the memorial here for about the last eight years or so. Schieffer decades in the making the memorial will occupy a prominent site at the foot of capitol hill and once completed will feature a huge fountain. For sinise it comes not a minute too soon. There are over 3 million who live on with amputations and traumatic brain injury and severe burns and blindness and Mental Illness because of their from the things they have seen and to have them come here and to be able to feel that the nation has recognized their sacrifices and is honoring them with a special tribute is going to be very special, i think. Schieffer sinise has literally spent Years Holding benefits, visiting wounded vets and lobbying for their cause. The memorial he hopes will help america to better know and understand their story. What do you hope people get out of this . Well, i hope it heightens awareness, awareness is so much a part of helping to heal, and to support these folks. So many people arent really aware. If you dont have a personal relationship with somebody in the service most of the country is disconnected from the military. Yet we are fighting wars all the time. We are always deploying somewhere. We just want pokes to remember the cost of war, these are our defenders, they are our freedom providers, they go out there and they serve their country and sometimes bad things happen and they get killed or they get injured and they have to live with their injuries. This place i hope will just raise awareness, continue to keep awareness up, somebody coming here who has no relationship with a wounded soldier may leave here and decide, you know what . I am going to look for the veterans in my community in my hometown and see if they need assistance. That is an important thing. If he every Community Around this country took care of their veterans and just said look we appreciate your service, we know you have been going through a tough time, we are here to help you, we would have our problem solved. Schieffer washingtons newest memorial opens in october, a tribute to the millions who gave so much but a testament as well to the awful cost of war. 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