Theyve been seen by very few people, and tonight youll hear from some of them. I think its implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didnt speak english, could have carried out such complicated tasks without some support from within the United States. Kroft and you believe that the 28 pages are crucial to this. They are a key part. Okay, you good . Yeah. Okay. Three, two, one, go Anderson Cooper j. T. Launches off the summit. Champion speed rider Valentin Delluc quickly follows, videotaping for us with a camera on his helmet. The ride of a lifetime has begun. Youre standing there on the top of the mountain. What goes through your mind . Theres two mindsets, you know . Theres the. Theres the evel knievel, which is kind of kamikaze. And then, theres the james bond. Cooper which one are you . Im bond. Im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im Anderson Cooper. Im bill whitaker. Im scott pelley. Those stories tonight on 60 minutes. This portion of 60 minutes is sponsored by ford. 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And so after it became a medicine, someone who couldnt be cured, could be. Me. Leslie stahl the mass shooting at the nightclub in orlando a week ago today represents the latest of what has become a reoccurring nightmare in america. Family and friends are mourning again. Flags are at halfstaff again. And once again, there are calls for gun control, which happens every time there is an incident like this. One proposal to address the violence, especially when it comes to the daily shootings on our streets and in our homes, is smart guns. As we first reported in november, these are firearms that only work when they are fired by their owner. With Gee Whiz Technology seeping into every corner of our lives, why not guns . In the 2012 movie skyfall, q gives james bond a smart gun that only he can activate. Q its been coded to your palm pint, so only you can fire it. Stahl later, when the bad guy gets a hold of it. James bond good luck with that. Stahl firearms that recognize only their owner arent just the stuff of movies. Army veteran tom lynch is developing a touchpad scanner that recognizes fingerprints, like an iphone. Add it to an existing gun and its a smart gun. So, its recognizing you . There you go. Tom lynch its recognizing me. Stahl okay. Lynch now. Stahl now. Lynch its unlocked. Its still on fire. Stahl let me try it. Lets see if i can. Lynch now pull the trigger. Stahl i cant even pull the trigger. Oh. Lynch thats the point. Stahl its locked. Lynch its locked. Stahl other inventors are working on guns that recognize the squeeze of your grip, or unlock wirelessly if the shooter wears a watch or a ring. These guns would not have prevented many of the Mass Shootings because the gunmen owned the firearms, but smart gun advocates say they could counter this alltoocommon grim reality. A 14yearold boy accidentally shot and killed his nineyearold brother. Stahl . Children shot and killed by other children. A tragic shooting two friends playing with a gun when it goes off. Stahl smart guns could curtail the number of suicides, and cut down on the resale of stolen guns, estimated to be 230,000 every year. What good is a gun no one but the owner can fire . Shots fired in johnson city. We have an officer down. Stahl and they would help onduty cops. There was a struggle, and clark grabbed officer smiths gun and shot him two times. Stahl and yet, with at least a halfdozen smart guns in advanced development and some ready for manufacturing, no major u. S. Gun company is making them, and no gun dealer is willing to sell them. Why . Well, consider what happened to one maryland gun dealer who tried. Andy raymond i like the way sterling arsenal actually painted this thing. Stahl last year, andy raymond, coowner of engage armament, announced that hed sell the armatix ip1, a smart pistol made in germany. Who did you think would be interested in that kind of a gun . Raymond typically, what i like to call fence sitters, so people who arent normally into guns and dont normally want one. You know, im too afraid or whatever. Stahl did you anticipate the reaction that you got . Raymond no. Stahl within minutes of his announcement, angry emails and phone calls started coming. Raymond we got about 2,000 phone calls and maybe about the same emails. Stahl all against . Raymond yeah, that was just in one day. I mean, it was insane. I mean, one person threatened to burn down the shop. Another person threatened that i would be raped that was classic. Stahl you would be raped . Raymond yeah. Stahl did you get any Death Threats . Raymond yeah. The crazies did come out of the woodwork. Stahl thats him that night, shaved head and whiskey bottle at his side. He stayed in his store to guard it and posted this video on facebook. Raymond so anyway, obviously, i received numerous Death Threats today. I really bleep appreciate that. I think thats bleep classy. Thats a great thing for gun rights when you threaten to shoot somebody. Stahl he thinks the campaign against him was viral, not organized by the gun lobby. Though, in his rant, he wondered why gun lovers and the National Rifle association would oppose the sale of any gun. Raymond how can the n. R. A. Or people want to prohibit a gun when were supposed to be pro gun . Were supposed to say that any gun is good, in the right persons hands. How can they say that a gun should be prohibited . How hypocritical is that . If you believe in the Second Amendment, and the Second Amendment is absolute that the right of people to keep and bears arms shall not be infringed then you should be able to buy whatever you want. Stahl what andy didnt realize is that theres a long, beleaguered history to these devices. 15 years ago, gun maker smith and wesson promised the Clinton White house to develop smart guns as part of a deal to fend off liability litigation. Bill clinton under the agreement, smith and wesson will develop smart guns that can be fired only by the adults who own them. Stahl the gun lobby organized a boycott against smith and wesson, seeing smart guns and other concessions in the deal as part of the gun control agenda. Factories closed, employees were laid off, and after that, no big u. S. Gun maker ever went near a smart gun. Steve sanetti theres a lot. Lot of skepticism and a lot of resistance to them. Stahl steve sanetti, president of the gun lobby and trade group the National Shooting sports foundation, represents over 12,000 gun makers, dealers, and businesses. Does your organization see the smart gun as gun control . Sanetti people that own guns are not the ones saying, im the one that wants this. Please develop it. Its coming from the gun control side. Its coming from people who, frankly, really want to put as many obstacles to a gun going off as they can. Stahl why are dealers who want to sell it, why are they being intimidated not to . Why not let the market decide . People dont want it, dont buy it. Sanetti well, i agree. We think the market should be able to decide that. We have never fought the idea that dealers can put them on the shelves. Its totally up to the marketplace and the dealers. Stahl so where is that fight coming from . Sanetti thats the point. People dont understand the passion that firearms owners have for the firearms that they own. Stahl the passion has been fueled by the n. R. A. , which says on its legislative web site, smart guns could open the door to a ban on all other guns. Why do they say that . Well, its actually happened. In 2002, new jerseys governor signed a law that became known as the mandate. Sanetti there is a statute in the state of new jersey that would say that, once a gun like this is offered for sale anywhere, thats the only kind of gun that could be sold. Stahl if these guns are sold in wyoming or california, this triggers the law . Sanetti uhhuh. Stahl that everybody in new jersey has to have that. Sanetti right. Stahl Loretta Weinberg, the new jersey state senator who authored the law, didnt foresee its consequences. Loretta weinberg we passed that bill to help spur this technology. Stahl it appears it totally backfired because it spurred this passionate objection to the gun. Weinberg because of the intervention of the n. R. A. And the Second Amendment folks. Stahl . That they say the reason they intervened is because of the mandate. Weinberg right. It isnt the law thats stopped the development. It is the people who threatened folks who actually wanted to sell such a gun. Stahl andy raymond came to realize that, even if he had sold the armatix gun in maryland, it mightve triggered the mandate, banning the sale of regular handguns in new jersey. Raymond the people of new jersey my apologies. You got nothing to worry about from me. I did apologize. Im. Im sorry. Sorry to this day. Stahl did you actually sell any of the armatix guns . Raymond no. Stahl after his case came to her attention, the new jersey senator offered to rescind the mandate if the gun lobby publicly removed its opposition to smart guns. Shes yet to hear back. Weinberg they seem to oppose almost everything. Anytime we suggest anything, weve gotten very little cooperation back. Stahl if the law were completely repealed, do you think that the gun lobby would then let this go forward . Weinberg no. Sanetti why are you trying to take my firearm, which i store safely and properly and ive never had problems with it, and add something to it thats going to make it more prone to failure . Stahl what about the argument that we have seat belts. We have air bags, theyre mandatory. Sanetti uhhuh. Stahl why not make a safe gun mandatory . Sanetti firearms are safe. The firearms manufacturers include appropriate locking devices for their guns along with them when theyre shipped. They may be low tech, but they work. Stahl he says adding high tech to guns may make them less safe. For example, the batteries that operate the smart guns. Sanetti weve all had batteryoperated devices where the battery dies. Stahl so the people who are working on this tell us that the batteries will have a tenyear life. Sanetti what about the 11th year . Stahl well, you change the battery. Sanetti if you remember, if. Stahl no, youre going to get a warning. Sanetti if the gun is stored inside a cabinet, or a box, or a safe or Something Like that, you might not see the warning. Stahl other concerns will fingerprints work in snow and rain . Will they work if youre sweating because an intruder entered your home . Could guns using Wireless Technology be hacked, or jammed and disabled remotely by the government . Sanetti we have to be careful not to fall into the technology trap. It doesnt solve every problem. Its great. Were not luddites, were not here saying that technology is a bad thing. Technology obviously improves our life in many ways. But i think you have to look at firearms in a slightly different way. Their mechanisms are the way they are over centuries of development. Theyre. Theyre at that state now that the Consumers Want them, and in the United States, theres a lot of tradition involved firearms. People like guns of the old west, they like them the way Davie Crockett used them, they like them the way they were used years ago. Stahl that was the case a decade and a half ago, as Jonathan Mossberg found out. He had left his familys gun making business, mossberg and sons, and invented a smart gun that works in conjunction with a ring. Do i get. Get my own, right . Jonathan mossberg yeah, you get your own ring. Stahl the ring has a tiny computer chip inside a black stone which transmits a signal. When its close to the trigger, it unlocks the gun. Mossberg alternatively, if i were to grab it, you know, nothing happens. Stahl mossbergs gun was ready to sell 13 years ago, but. Mossberg people werent really. There was some market, but not enough, so we decided not to sell it. Stahl and has something changed . Mossberg yes. We all started living with these evil things, and so we became comfortable trusting it. They guide us to our destinations. They make sure were okay for meetings, and theyre extremely reliable. Stahl he thinks that todays young parents, comfortable with technology, are a ripe market. And Silicon Valley agrees. Ron conway this is going to happen outside the gun industry. Why they arent doing research and investing in this baffles me. Stahl ron conway, one of the early investors in facebook and google, is now looking for, he says, the Mark Zuckerberg of guns. He has funded at least 15 smart gun inventors, including those involved in the two guns we tested. Are you thinking that, if the gun manufacturers dont come along, that theyre going to be like kodak . Conway absolutely. Stahl this is what youre saying. Conway yes kodak and polaroid all wrapped in one. You cannot stop innovation. And this is an area where innovation is taking over. Stahl are you not worried about the politics of this whole issue . Conway i think, for technology and innovation, we have to ignore politics. Stahl can you . Conway of course you can. Stahl but when it comes to guns, its all about politics. Just ask andy raymond. Raymond i got caught up in the middle of something that was way beyond me, way beyond my capabilities, and got caught between two sides that. I mean, it was just. I will never, ever, ever touch anything else like that ever, ever again. Stahl as of today, you cannot find a smart gun to buy in the United States. Senator Loretta Weinberg told us that she plans to ask the new Jersey State Legislature to repeal the mandate, but replace it with a demand that dealers display at least one smart gun in their stores. Question is, will dealers be too gunshy . If this gun does take off, would you sell it . Raymond absolutely not. Stahl ever . Raymond i would rather be shot by a smart gun than sell one. Stahl shortly after it was introduced, new Jersey Governor Chris Christie vetoed senator weinbergs new smartgun bill. But president obama has announced a federal commitment to jumpstart the deployment of smart gun technology, involving the departments of justice, defense, and homeland security. Preponderance cbs money watch update sponsored by ninan good evening. Iran says it has reached a deal to buy 100 planes from boeing pending approval from the u. S. Government. On thursday voters in britain will decide whether to stay in the european union. 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For 13 years, the 28 pages have been locked away in a secret vault. Only a small group of people have ever seen them. Tonight, you will hear from some of the people who have read them and believe, along with the families of 9 11 victims, that they should be declassified. Senator bob graham i think it is implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didnt speak english, most of whom had never been in the United States before, many of whom didnt have a High School Education couldve carried out such a complicated task without some support from within the United States. Steve kroft and you believe that the 28 pages are crucial to this . Understand. Senator graham i think they are a key part. Kroft former u. S. Senator bob graham has been trying to get the 28 pages released since the day they were classified back in 2003, when he played a major role in the first government investigation into 9 11. Senator graham i remain deeply disturbed by the amount of material that has been censored from this report. Kroft at the time, graham was chairman of the Senate Select committee on intelligence. I call the joint inquiry to order. Kroft and cochair of the bipartisan joint congressional inquiry into intelligence failures surrounding the attacks. The joint inquiry reviewed 500,000 documents, interviewed hundreds of witnesses and produced an 838 page report, minus the final chapter which was blanked out, excised by the Bush Administration for reasons of national security. So this is your office. Bob graham wont discuss the classified information in the 28 pages. He will say only that they outline a network of people that he believes supported the hijackers while they were in the u. S. You believe that support came from saudi arabia . Senator graham substantially. Kroft and when we say, the saudis, you mean the government, the senator graham i mean kroft rich people in the country . Charities senator graham all of the above. Kroft graham and others believe the saudi role has been softpedaled to protect a delicate relationship with a complicated kingdom where the rulers, royalty, riches and religion are all deeply intertwined in its institutions. Porter goss i call this hearing to order. Kroft porter goss, who was grahams republican cochairman on the house side of the joint inquiry, and later director of the c. I. A. , also felt strongly that an uncensored version of the 28 pages should be included in the final report. The two men made their case to the f. B. I. And its thendirector Robert Mueller in a facetoface meeting. Goss and they pushed back very hard on the 28 pages and they said, no, that cannot be unclassified at this time. Kroft did you happen to ask the f. B. I. Director why it was classified . Goss we did in a general way, and the answer was because, we said so and it needs to laughs be classified. Kroft goss says he knew of no reason then and knows of no reason now why the pages need to be classified. They are locked away under the capital in guarded vaults called sensitive compartmented information facilitiesor skiffs in government jargon. This is as close as we could get with our cameras a highly restricted area where members of congress with the proper clearances can read the documents under close supervision. No notetaking allowed. Tim roemer its all got to go up here, steve. Kroft tim roemer, a former democratic congressman and u. S. Ambassador to india, has read the 28 pages multiple times. First as a member of the joint inquiry, and later as a member of the blue ribbon 9 11 commission which picked up where Congress Investigation left off. How hard is it to actually read these 28 pages . Roemer very hard. These are tough documents to get your eyes on. Kroft roemer and others who have actually read the 28 pages, describe them as a working draft similar to a grand jury or Police Report that includes provocative evidence. Some verified, and some not, they lay out the possibility of official saudi assistance for two of the hijackers who settled in southern california. That information from the 28 pages was turned over to the 9 11 commission for further investigation. Some of the questions raised were answered in the commissions final report. Others were not. Is there information in the 28 pages that, if they were declassified, would surprise people . Roemer sure, youre gonna be surprised by it. And youre gonna be surprised by some of the answers that are sitting there today in the 9 11 Commission Report about what happened in san diego, and what happened in los angeles and what was the saudi involvement. Kroft much of that surprising information is buried in footnotes and appendices of the 9 11 report. Part of the official public record, but most of it unknown to the general public. These are some, but not all of the facts in january of 2000, the first of the hijackers landed in los angeles after attending an al qaeda summit in kuala lumpur, malaysia. The two saudi nationals, Nawaf Al Hazmi and khalid al mihdhar, arrived with extremely limited Language Skills and no experience with western culture. Yet, through an incredible series of circumstances, they managed to get everything they needed, from housing to flight lessons. Roemer l. A. , san diego, thats really you know, the hornets nest. Thats really the one that i continue to think about almost on a daily basis. Kroft during their first days in l. A. , witnesses place the two future hijackers at the king fahd mosque in the company of fahad althumairy, a diplomat at the saudi consulate known to hold extremist views. Later, 9 11 investigators would find him deceptive and suspicious and in 2003, he would be denied reentry to the United States for having suspected ties to terrorist activity. Roemer this is a very interesting person in the whole 9 11 episode of who mightve helped whom in los angeles and san diego, with two terrorists who didnt know their way around. Kroft phone records show that thumairy was also in regular contact with this man omar albayoumi, a mysterious saudi who became the hijackers biggest benefactor. He was a ghost employee with a noshow job at a saudi aviation contractor outside los angeles while drawing a paycheck from the saudi government. You believe bayoumi was a saudi agent . Senator graham yes, and kroft what makes you believe that . Senator graham well, for one thing, he had been listed even before 9 11 in f. B. I. Files as being a saudi agent. Kroft on the morning of february 1st, 2000, bayoumi went to the office of the saudi consulate where thumairy worked. He then proceeded to have lunch at a middle Eastern Restaurant on venice boulevard, where he later claimed he just happened to make the acquaintance of the two future hijackers. Roemer hazmi and mihdhar magically run into bayoumi in a restaurant that bayoumi claims is a coincidence and in one of the biggest cities in the United States. Kroft and he decides to befriend them. Roemer he decides to not only befriend them but then to help them move to san diego and get residence. Kroft in san diego, bayoumi found them a place to live in his own apartment complex, advanced them the Security Deposit and cosigned the lease. He even threw them a party and introduced them to other muslims who would help the hijackers obtain government i. D. s and enroll in english classes and flight schools. Theres no evidence that bayoumi or thumairy knew what the future hijackers were up to, and it is possible that they were just trying to help fellow muslims. But the very day bayoumi welcomed the hijackers to san diego, there were four calls between his cell phone and the imam at a san diego mosque, anwar al aulaqi, a name that should sound familiar. Anwar alaulaqi america cannot and will not win kroft the americanborn aulaqi would be infamous a decade later, as al qaedas chief propagandist and top operative in yemen until he was taken out by a c. I. A. Drone. But in january 2001, a year after becoming the hijackers spiritual advisor, he left san diego for falls church, virginia. Months later, hazmi, mihdhar and three more hijackers would join him there. Roemer those are a lot of coincidences, and thats a lot of smoke. Is that enough to make you squirm and uncomfortable, and dig harder and declassify these 28 pages . Absolutely. Kroft perhaps no one is more interested in reading the 28 pages than attorneys Jim Kreindler and sean carter, who represent family members of the 9 11 victims in their lawsuit against the kingdom. Alleging that its institutions provided money to al qaeda, knowing that it was waging war against the United States. Jim kreindler what were doing in court isis developing the story that has to come out. But its been difficult for us because for many years, we werent getting the kind of openness and cooperation. That we think our government owes to the American People particularly the the families of people who were murdered. Kroft the u. S. Government has even backed the saudi position in court, that it cant be sued because it enjoys sovereign immunity. The 9 11 Commission Report says that saudi arabia has long been considered the primary source of alqaeda funding through its wealthy citizens and charities with significant government sponsorship. But the sentence that got the most attention when the report came out is this attorney sean carter says its the most carefully crafted line in the 911 Commission Report, and the most misunderstood. Sean carter when they say they found no evidence that senior saudi officials individually funded al qaeda, they conspicuously leave open the potential that they found evidence that people who were officials that they did not regard as senior officials had done so. That is the essence of the families lawsuit. That elements of the government and lower level officials sympathetic to bin ladens cause helped al qaeda carry out the attacks and help sustain the al qaeda network. Kroft yet, for more than a decade, the kingdom has maintained that that one sentence exonerated it of any responsibility for 911 regardless of what might be in the 28 pages. Bob kerrey its not an exoneration. What we said we did not, with this report, exonerate the saudis. Kroft former u. S. Senator bob kerrey is another of the tenmember 9 11 commission who has read the 28 pages and believes they should be declassified. He filed an affidavit in support of the 9 11 families lawsuit. Kerrey you cant provide the money for terrorists and then say, i dont have anything to do with what theyre doing. Kroft do you believe that all of the leads that were developed in the 28 pages were answered in the 911 report . All the questions . Kerrey no, no. In general, the 911 commission did not get every single detail of the conspiracy. We didnt. We didnt have the time, we didnt have the resources. We certainly didnt pursue the entire line of inquiry in regard to saudi arabia. Kroft do you think all of these things in san diego can be explained as coincidence . John lehman laughs i dont believe in coincidences. Kroft john lehman, who was secretary of the navy in the reagan administration, says that he and the others make up a solid majority of former 9 11 commissioners who think the 28 pages should be made public. Lehman were not a bunch of rubes that rode into washington for this commission. I mean, we, you know, weve seen fire and weve seen rain and the politics of national security. We all have dealt for our careers in highly classified and compartmentalized in every aspect of security. We know when something shouldnt be declassified. And the, this, those 28 pages in no way fall into that category. Kroft lehman has no doubt that some high saudi officials knew that assistance was being provided to al qaeda, but he doesnt think it was ever official policy. He also doesnt think that it absolves the saudis of responsibility. Lehman it was no accident that 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudis. They all went to saudi schools. They learned from the time they were first able to go to school of this intolerant brand of islam. Kroft lehman is talking about wahhabism, the ultra conservative, puritanical form of islam that is rooted here and permeates every facet of society. There is no separation of church and state. After oil, wahhabism is one of the kingdoms biggest exports. Saudi clerics, entrusted with islams holiest shrines, have immense power and billions of dollars to spread the faith. Building mosques and religious schools all over the world that have become recruiting grounds for violent extremists. 9 11 commissioner john lehman says all of this comes across in the 28 pages. Lehman this is not going to be a smoking gun that is going to cause a huge furor. But it does give a very compact illustration of the kinds of things that went on that that would really help the American People to understand why, what, how, how is it that these people are springing up all over the world to go to jihad . Roemer look, the saudis have even said theyre for declassifying it. We should declassify it. Is it sensitive, steve . Might it involve opening a bit a can of worms, or some snakes crawling out of there . Yes. But i think we need a relationship with the saudis. Where both countries are working together to fight against terrorism. And thats not always been the case. Stahl when our report aired in april, the saudi government denounced the story as myths and erroneous charges, while members of Congress Demanded that the 28 pages be made public. The official review by top intelligence officials which has been going on for two years is expected to be concluded before the end of this month. Hey, ready foyeah. Big meeting . Uh, hello . A meeting . Its a big one. Too bad. We are double booked diarrhea and abdominal pain. Why dont you start without me . Oh. Yeah. If youre living with frequent, unpredictable diarrhea and abdominal pain, you may have Irritable Bowel Syndrome with diarrhea, or ibsd. A condition that can be really frustrating. Talk to your doctor about viberzi, a different way to treat ibsd. Viberzi is a Prescription Medication you take every day that helps proactively manage both diarrhea and abdominal pain at the same time. So you stay ahead of your symptoms. 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More than 60 climbers have frozen or fallen to their deaths. Now, as we reported last fall, a new breed of daredevil is taking on the eiger, not by climbing up the mountain, but by plunging down it. When we heard that after years of planning a new kind of descent was about to be attempted, we went to switzerland to see firsthand something no one had ever tried before. At 13,000 feet, the icy summit of the eiger is too steep and rocky to simply ski down. J. T. Holmes you ready . Cooper . So j. T. Holmes is training in three extreme sports to rocket down more of the eiger than anyone ever has. Right now, he is practicing one of those sports, speed riding, on a nearby mountain slope with his friend and cameraman Valentin Delluc. To speed ride, j. T. Is using skis, but hes also attached to a gliderlike parachute called a speed wing. It allows him to soar over rocks and ledges impossible to ski. Holmes youre capable of transitioning in and out of flight at will. Cooper so youre both skiing, and then youre flying. And then youre skiing a little bit more. Holmes exactly. Cooper but speed riding will only take j. T. So far down the eiger. Hell also ski off a cliff, and then free fall the rest of the way, all in one long, nonstop, breathtaking ride. Holmes three sports, one run. And theyre my three favorite sports, so. Cooper these are the three things you love . Holmes yeah. These are three of the things that i love. Cooper j. T. Needs perfect conditions for this dangerous descent, and so far, he hasnt been lucky. Weather on the eiger is unpredictable. Fierce winds whip the slopes and change direction dramatically. J. T. Checks the eiger every day to see if he can finally head to the summit. The past two years, hes had to cancel plans because wind blew the snow off the top of the mountain. Today, the conditions are not right . Holmes well, yeah, today you cant even see the top of the eiger. So, first of all, you couldnt land a helicopter up there. Cooper how long have you been planning this . Holmes you know, the first kind of thoughts of it were upwards of six years ago, but really focused on it for three. Cooper why has it taken so long . Holmes youd be putting your life, you know, in unnecessary risk. So i need the right day. Cooper j. T. Is well aware of the risk. He started out as a professional skier the steeper the slope, the better. J. T. Holmes ready, set, go cooper now, at 35, he makes a living through endorsements and filming his remarkable feats. When we first met him six years ago in norway, he and his daredevil friends were pioneering the use of wingsuits, jumping off mountains and flying at more than 100 miles an hour. But in the last several years, a number of j. T. s friends and acquaintances have died in wingsuit accidents. Eiliv ruud, who was flying with j. T. In norway, was killed in 2012 when he struck a cliff and fell 1,000 feet. J. T. Wont be wingsuitflying off the eiger. The most dangerous part of his descent will be after he finishes speed riding when he tries to jettison his skis and free fall down the rest of the mountain. To practice, he makes base jumps without skis off a tiny slippery piece of rock he calls the mushroom. Holmes i stepped off the helicopter onto the mushroom, and that was fine. I had a good grip. But then i took another step and there was this really thin ice layer. It feels a little more uneven than i remember it. Cooper hes off. He falls for about 20 seconds, accelerating to 110 miles an hour before opening his parachute. Hes starting right toward us. Parachute is open. Its a white parachute, hes red. That was amazing. How was it . Holmes laughs scary. Cooper when j. T. Jumps off the cliff on the eiger, hell have his skis on. Properly releasing them is critical. Whats the danger if you cant get the skis off . Holmes youre at risk of an unstable parachute deployment or a snag. Cooper so, the biggest danger is that the ski is going to get tangled up in the parachute. Holmes thats the risk. Cooper that risk is foremost in his mind because of what happened to his best friend, shane mcconkey. In 2007, j. T. And shane started skiing off mountains, dropping their skis, and then flying away in wingsuits. It was a dangerous combination they found thrilling. Shane mcconkey oh, yeah, another wingsuit ski base. Here we go. Cooper but on this jump in italy in 2009, shane mcconkeys ski release mechanism jammed. He couldnt get his skis to come off. He crashed into the ground at high speed, and was killed instantly. Thats how he died, his skis didnt come off . Holmes he couldnt get his skis off, struggled in his wingsuit, and. And crashed. Cooper when j. T. Is training at the eiger, he wears a tshirt with a funny picture of shane on it. Holmes this eiger descent. Cooper without his old friend there to help him, he has turned to new friends. Martin schurmann is an experienced Swiss Mountain guide. Martin schurmann it can change very quickly from good conditions to really nasty. Cooper it can turn bad very quickly . Schurmann oh, yeah. And then, youre in trouble. Cooper one wrong step, and you can plunge off. Schurmann youre. Youre gone. Cooper martin and j. T. Are cautious and methodical, making numerous trips up the eiger to plan, in advance, every part of the complex descent, particularly this spot where j. T. Will jump, jettison his skis, and begin to free fall. Youre standing there on the top of the mountain, what goes through your mind . Holmes theres two mindsets, you know . Theres the. Theres the evel knievel, which is kind of kamikaze, and who knows how its going to work out . And will you hit the landing ramp or not . And then, theres the james bond. And bond is composed and dialed, and he uses clever pieces of gear which he developed with q to, you know, outwit his opponents and pull off tremendous things, and. Cooper which one are you . Holmes im bond. laughs cooper after days of waiting, and years of false starts and cancelled attempts, on this visit in april, the weather on the mountain suddenly clears. J. T. Decides the time is right. He and his team take a chopper to the eiger summit. Holmes im checking for landmarks on the way up and kind of confirming my line, my path of descent. Cooper so you already have a path of descent in your mind . Holmes its something thats been memorized. Cooper the eiger may be a monster of a mountain, but up close, the summit is shockingly small. Here, there is no room for error, no room for the helicopter. Its not big enough for the helicopter to land . Holmes no, it. It does what we call a towin, where it just puts its nose into the eiger. And it just hovers there. Cooper how big is the. The area that youre standing on at the top . Holmes the. The top of the eiger is pretty small. Its. There is no flat spot. You know, workable space is. Three pingpong tables. Cooper three pingpong tables . Holmes yeah. Cooper thats it . Holmes Something Like that, yeah. Cooper a mistake here, one wrong step at 13,000 feet could cost them their lives. J. T. And his team work for almost an hour. Wearing crampons on their ski boots, they dig trenches with ice axes so they wont fall down the nearly vertical slope. The surface is jagged ice, not powdery snow, and it can easily rip the speed wings. Holmes i dont like how those things grab the lines. Cooper they file down the sharp pieces of ice so they wont snag the speed wing lines. But the wind kicks up and they have to quickly reposition them. J. T. Decides its now or never. Holmes okay, youre good . Valentin delluc yeah. Holmes okay, three, two, one. Go cooper j. T. Launches off the summit. Champion speed rider Valentin Delluc quickly follows, videotaping for us with a camera on his helmet. The ride of a lifetime has begun. Holmes thats when you turn your skis downhill. Now, doing that, thats very committing. Because, you know, you point your skis down the eiger, youre probably not going to stop till the bottom. Cooper one way or the other. Holmes one way or the other. Cooper j. T. Uses the speed wing for much of the descent, flying over outcroppings of rock and icy slopes too steep to ski. He reaches an open slope on the eigers western flank and lands. He cuts loose his speed wing so it wont slow him down. Now, he relies solely on his skis and skill. Holmes its Black Diamond skiing. Youre in a really cool place where few people have skied. Really, what youre going to try to do is just gather as much speed as possible and just propel yourself off the cliff. Cooper the cliff hell ski off is coming up fast. This is the most dangerous part of j. T. s descent. There is no stopping. He completes a double back flip to stabilize himself, releases his skis, then free falls. His nylon suit is aerodynamically designed, propelling him forward, so he doesnt crash into any rock ledges. He falls nearly 2,000 feet, finally opening his parachute. Holmes whoohoo yeah yeah, buddy whoohoo whoa cooper he drifts safely to the ground, landing more than a mile below the eiger summit. Holmes whoa, dude whoa oh, my god, that was pretty intense, man. Nailed it. Cooper nailed it . Holmes nailed it. I dont have words to describe how it felt to go and pull that off after so much time. And, you know, its kind of a twisted style of having fun, but it was really fun. If youre too fast, its a little just kind of scary. Cooper we assumed j. T. Would call it a day after making it down the eiger in one piece. But after catching his breath and repacking his equipment, he decides to head back to the summit and do the whole run down the mountain once again. Holmes three, two, one, go cooper his speed ride off the summit goes perfectly. He flies over trouble spots, and builds up speed as he approaches the cliff edge. But when he tries to release his skis, one of them wont come off. This is what killed his best friend, shane mcconkey. J. T. Struggles for several agonizing seconds, then finally manages to drop the ski. Its a close call, but it doesnt seem to stop him from enjoying the rest of the ride. Could you give it up . Holmes i believe that i could. Because i dont feel that im you know, addicted to this sort of. Type of thing, this adrenaline, or this sort of highrisk activity. Cooper youre not an adrenaline junkie, you dont think . Holmes absolutely not. I. I prefer adrenaline enthusiast. laughter i truly believe that i dont have to do this. And i truly believe that i enjoy doing this and. Cooper thats pretty clear. Holmes the day will come when i tone it down significantly. Cooper but that day is not here yet . Holmes its not today. Howd they get those pictures . Go to 60minutesovertime. Com. 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