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Vitaly stepanov had a lowlevel job collecting urine and blood samples inside the very agency assigned to combat drug use in sport. Together, they exposed the dark secrets of their countrys doping program and, as you will learn for the first time, damning new details about cheating at the 2014 winter games in sochi, russia. Vitaly and Yuliya Stepanov now live in this sparse onebedroom apartment somewhere in the united states, which we will not reveal for their protection. Its far from the cries of traitor and judas back home. The price for believing in the purity of sport. Vitaly stepanov for me, when you have this 100 belief that you are doing something right you must follow this belief and lets see what happens. Keteyian yuliyas maiden name was rusanova and her specialty was the 800 meters. For more than five years, she willingly took anabolic steroids for strength and the blood boosting substance e. P. O. For endurance. All of it directed by her russian coaches and medical staff. Let me read to you some of the drugs that i have read that you have taken testosterone. Yuliya stepanov uhhuh. Keteyian trenbolone. Yuliya stepanov da. Keteyian and parabolan. Yuliya stepanov da. Keteyian those are powerful drugs. Yuliya stepanov translated yes, these are all steroids. Keteyian did you think anything that you were doing was wrong . Yuliya stepanov its hard to believe youre doing something wrong when everybody around you says its right, and theres no other way that youre shown. I was an untouchable, a sacred athlete. Keteyian untouchable meant she could take banned substances without the fear of being caught. The performance enhancing drugs put her on track for the 2012 summer olympics in london. She met Vitaly Stepanov at, of all places, a drug seminar. He had a lowlevel job at the russian antidoping agency, known as rusada. He was a true believer. Vitaly stepanov i want sports to be fair. If somebody wins i want him or her to be a real hero, not a fake one. Keteyian fifteen minutes into their first date, he got a dose of reality. Vitaly stepanov she says, im doping. All my teammates are doping as well. Keteyian and what do you think . Vitaly stepanov i had suspicion but i was hoping that im here to fix something. She says thats not what rusada does. Rusada helps russian athletes to win medals. Rusada does testing, but fake testing. Keteyian yet somehow two very different lives equaled a marriage. Vitaly now lived with doping at home and corruption at work. Vitaly stepanov there was a situation when i was offered a bribe by the Vice President of the federation, just like that person comes to me and he says this athlete cannot be tested. How much money do you need . And my answer is this is what i get paid for and i dont need any extra money. So she was selected. She must be tested. Keteyian vitaly says he repeatedly informed his bosses about the corruption, only to be told what happens in russia, stays in russia. Frustrated, he made a dangerous decision to reach outside russia, to the World Antidoping Agency or wada. Over the next three years, he sent 200 emails and 50 letters detailing what he had witnessed. But vitaly says wada told him it did not have the power to investigate inside russia. His crusade would eventually cost him his job and drive yuliya to file for divorce. Yulia stepanov translated sometimes i thought he was my enemy. That he wants to interfere. It was not easy. Vitaly stepanov i think im having this opportunity to become a taxi driver in moscow. Well ill be a divorced taxi driver. So thats keteyian thats where you were at that point in time . Vitaly stepanov yes, yes. Keteyian the fight was over. Vitaly stepanov the fight was over. I lost. Keteyian the turning point came right before the london games, when yuliya was injured. No longer a medal contender, she lost the protection of the system and tested positive for e. P. O. Facing a twoyear ban, she called vitaly just days before their divorce would be final. Yulia stepanov and he suggested, lets tell the truth. Let people know the whole truth, the way things happen in russia. To destroy the system one has to talk about it. Vitaly stepanov after i finished talking to her, you know, i think am i going to be able to get another person on my side . After three years of trying maybe i could get my wife on my side . Trying to clean up sports . Keteyian not only did he bring her to his side, he convinced yuliya to take an extraordinary risk and use her phone to secretly record her coach giving her steroids, her teammates detailing their drug use, and the team medical director who told her how to get back on the drug program. Yulia stepanov it was total craziness. Thats how i held the phone. I put the jacket over here and thats how i held the phone this way. Keteyian in this recording, 800meter runner Mariya Savinova admitted she took performance enhancing drugs. Savinova won gold in london. She said my coach helps to cover up the tests. There is no other way to do it. Everyone in russia is on pharma. The World Antidoping Agency steered the stepanovs to a reporter at the German Television network ard. Their tapes became the centerpiece of this documentary which aired in december 2014 and sent shockwaves through the world of sports. Travis tygart you know, we dont pick who our heroes are. But at the end of the day, they stood up. And they did the right thing to ensure that clean athletes rights are protected around the globe. Keteyian travis tygart, the c. E. O. Of the u. S. Antidoping agency, has been advising the stepanovs since they fled russia. Tygart has built a reputation taking down some of the worlds most notorious dopers including lance armstrong. You have called what the stepanovs have uncovered a defining moment in the anti doping movement. Why is that . Tygart the evidence confirmed what a lot of people have believed over the years. This is not just a few athletes obtaining performanceenhancing drugs. This was a system orchestrated by the sport leaders to ensure that they won at all costs. We are essentially limited to athletics, and to russia. Keteyian the outrage sparked by what the stepanovs uncovered finally forced wada to launch an investigation. Its 300plus page report detailed what wada called, quote a deeply rooted culture of cheating that reached the highest levels of the russian government. So bribes . Tygart bribes. Keteyian covering up tests . Tygart covering up tests. Keteyian fake urine . Tygart fake urine. Keteyian you name it. Tygart you name it, they attempted to get away with it. Keteyian were talking about, fair to say, the highest levels of the Sports Ministry in russia . Tygart listen, theyre responsible. The buck stops there. The cabinetlevel position funds and oversees all of sport. So theyre ultimately responsible. Keteyian when it came to doping in russia, nobody was more powerful than grigory rodchenkov. He ran its Drug Testing Lab and had the ability to make positive drug tests disappear. The wada report called him the heart of russian doping. In the wake of the scandal, rodchenkov was fired by the kremlin and has since taken refuge in the u. S. , for fear of his own safety because of how much he knows. Over the last few months, rodchenkov has been sharing what he knows with Vitaly Stepanov. What he doesnt know is that stepanov has recorded 15 hours of their conversations. What rodchenkov has revealed threatens the credibility of the results at the 2014 winter games in sochi, russia. Vitaly stepanov he told me what i and yulia did, we could only see this much. But what was happening with coverups, its like this. Keteyian rodchenkov, who ran the Drug Testing Lab in sochi, bragged he was in possession of what he called the sochi list, the russians who competed dirty at the games. He also said the russian equivalent of the f. B. I. , the f. S. B. , was directly involved. What did he tell you about the f. S. B. , the russian Intelligence Officers and the sochi lab . Vitaly stepanov that some f. S. B. Agents worked as doping control officers during the sochi games. That f. S. B. Tried to control every single step of the anti doping process in sochi. Keteyian we have listened to all of the conversations. And the biggest bomb dropped by rodchenkov was this at least four russians won gold medals at the sochi olympics while on steroids, and his lab covered it up. A representative for rodchenkov told us, for now, he was not available for comment. Tygart look, its a stunning revelation. And if true, its a devastating blow to the olympic values. Keteyian rodchenkovs information is likely to influence the governing body of track and field when it meets next month to decide whether to lift its suspension of the Russian Track Team and allow it to compete in rio. Tygart its clearly the final nail in the coffin for russian track and field. Keteyian are you in favor of russia competing in the rio games in track and field . Tygart were not. That cant come at the expense of clean athletes rights. Keteyian one of those clean athletes is american Alysia Montano. Shes among the worlds top 800 meter runners and was a medal favorite at the 2012 london games. Savinova. Thats got to be a little tough for you to watch. Alysia montano yeah. Keteyian this was the first time montano allowed herself to watch the race she lost to Gold Medalist Mariya Savinova. You may remember savinova told Yulia Stepanov everyone in russia is on pharma. Montano i just see her blow right past me, and im thinking im going to go now. Keteyian montano had led the race for about 600 meters before finishing fifth. I mean, savinova passed you like you were, with all due respect montano literally, standing still. And you realize at that moment, i realized im racing against robots. Keteyian robots . Montano im racing against robots. Keteyian people that arent really human . Montano they are not really human. You know, they have altered their chemical makeup in a way that im not going to be able to do. Keteyian Mariya Savinova and another russian who finished third in the race face lifetime bans for doping. Meaning montano should have realized her olympic dream in the form of at least a bronze medal. Do you spend much time thinking about what could have been . Montano yeah. I mean, i think one of the hardest things is it affects me every single day, you know . My family and i, you know, im not doing it for the money, but at the end of the day, i deserve what is owed to me. Those times when, you know, sponsors ask you, are you a medalist . And you have to answer, no, it makes you hang your head in shame. Keteyian at 30, Alysia Montano is now training to run in rio. In a twist worthy of a russian novel, she could find herself racing against Yulia Stepanov. Who has petitioned to run at the summer olympics without a country, but a cause, under an olympic flag. Cbs money watch update sponsored by reporter good evening. Saudi arabias new Energy Minister is vowing to maintain the countrys oil policy. Euro zone finance ministers have an emergency meeting tomorrow over greeces debt. And Career Builders mother survey shows two in five moms are the breadwinners for their houses. Im elaine quijano, cbs news. His day of coaching begins this is brad. With knee pain, when. Hey brad, wanna trade the all day relief of two aleve for six tylenol . Whats the catch . Theres no catch. You want me to give up my two aleve for six tylenol . 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Its a small city that lies on a highway connecting isis territory in syria to its territory inside iraq. And when isis fighters took control, they began to systematically wipe out the yezidi people who lived there. After sinjar was liberated, we went there with father Patrick Desbois, a french catholic priest, who is one of the worlds leading voices on genocide. He spent fifteen years documenting the mass murder of jews by hitlers mobile death squads. Now he says hes on a mission to expose what he calls the isis killing machine. This is what is left of the ancient yezidi city of sinjar. We put a camera on a drone to try to capture the enormity of the devastation. Isis sees the yezidis as devil worshippers and their policy here was total annihilation. What youre looking at is a thousand years of civilization reduced to rubble in fifteen months of terror. Last november, some 7,000 Kurdish Peshmerga soldiers backed by heavy u. S. Airpower pushed the Islamic State out of here. The kurds said they killed around 300 terrorists in the two day offensive. This is what it takes to claim a city back from the Islamic State. There is nothing left. Any direction you walk, all you find is more destruction. One street after another. An entire city literally in ruins. We walked the shattered streets of the yezidi heartland with father Patrick Desbois, who was on his fourth trip to iraq. He told us what isis didnt destroy, Kurdish Forces leveled as they fought their way in. Father Patrick Desbois i asked the peshmerga, they told me it was the only way to make isis go. The only way to make them go is to destroy the city. Logan the only way to defeat them . Father desbois yeah, its terrible. Logan father desbois has been studying the minds and methods of mass murderers like hitler most of his life and hed come here to investigate the genocide of the yezidis by isis, an organization more sophisticated than he expected. Father desbois its not easy to manage your war, to manage International Terrorism and to manage a genocide in same territory. Hitler, it took for him a long time before doing all that. And isis they did it so quickly. Logan does that speed frighten you . Father desbois yeah, its frightening because it means actually there is a kind of science of terrorist, war and genocide. They developed a science. Logan the Islamic State stormed into sinjar in august 2014. They murdered at least 5,000 and kidnapped thousands of others as they cleansed the land of yezidis. Father desbois said their strategy here was unlike anywhere else. Those who could fled to sinjar mountain, where images of their desperation reached the world, in part prompting the first u. S. Airstrikes of the war. Evidence of the isis killing machine lies, father desbois said, in the citys remains. Which building is this . Father desbois its where they put the yezidis, all the yezidis of shingal. Logan thats why he brought us to whats left of the Main Administration building. Father desbois that is the beginning of genocide, its the first step for me. Logan in this building. Father desbois yeah. Logan here, isis rounded up yezidi men, women and children. Father debois they say to people, dont worry, we will bring you to a nice building. Its why they accept. Logan and they dont think that theyre going to die . Father debois no. Logan thats why they come . Father debois yeah, thats why they come. And here begins the selection. And so this system is system of permanent, permanent, permanent selection. Logan father desbois said theyre registered, separated and ordered to hand over money, jewelry, cellphones. Isis had a plan for everyone. Father desbois they see a boy who is ten years old. He can carry a bomb, he will carry bombs. They see a girl, shes beautiful. Oh, she will be sold to an emir to be a sex slave. They have the sense of utility. A person is only to be used for something. Logan each person has a purpose . Father desbois each person has a purpose. Logan and if they have no purpose, what happens . Father desbois they kill them. Logan wherever we went in sinjar, kurdish soldiers came with us. They said there were still hidden bombs all over the city, and father desbois used them as a guide. So where are they taking us . The tunnels . Father desbois over to one of the tunnels, yeah. Logan isis owned this ground for 15 months, transforming sinjar into a fortress with tunnels underneath the city. The entrance to one was inside this house. With isis still around two miles from here, the soldiers were tense. What we found, surprised us. Thats incredible. I mean it just looks like a normal house. There were mountains of dirt in every room. Whatever they took from the ground, they kept inside these walls, so American Drones wouldnt see a tunnel being built. This particular tunnel goes to the home of the Islamic State emir of the city, basically the top guy in charge here when the Islamic State was in control. And we were told that he and his inner circle his bodyguards, his men would hide underground here with him during the bombings. Out on the street, father desbois was approached by survivors, desperate for answers about family members still missing. Father desbois what was the name of his father . Logan there are mass graves across sinjar, and we had been to some of them. At this one east of the city where kurdish officials had marked off the site, there were human bones still scattered in the dirt. Its believed yezidis fleeing to sinjar mountain were caught by isis and killed here. Its impossible to know how long its been here . Father desbois no, we dont know. Only a doctor can say. Logan and in this mass grave on the outskirts of sinjar, he was told some 80 yezidi women were executed. They shot them right here . Father desbois yeah. Logan and how do they know this . Father desbois we know this because we can find bones and everything underground. Theres half a skull there and two skulls there . Father desbois yeah. And here you half of the head. And here, too. Its really a shooting, extermination site. Logan at every site we visited, his team photographed and filmed the evidence and recorded g. P. S. Coordinates so they could come back. His lead investigator, nastasie costel, has been at his side helping to locate killing fields like these for years. As they carry out their investigation in yezidi towns and villages, father desbois is not asking eyewitnesses to recall what they saw more than seventy years ago, like he did with the holocaust. Father desbois how many people are buried here . Logan this time, hes interviewing survivors with the horror still fresh in their minds. So how does that change your investigation . Father desbois its completely different because the challenge now is to stop the genocide, is to try to save people, is to try to carry the voice of the victim, to make people conscious. The killing machine is alive. Logan so, do you feel a sense of urgency then . Father desbois urgency and the immense tragedy also to have the conscience that the world doesnt wake up more now than 42. Logan for the yezidis, there is no holier place than the temple of lalish, about 100 miles from sinjar. They believe in one god and seven angels, an ancient religion that over time has adopted elements of many faiths. As long as they have been on earth, the yezidis have been persecuted. Why do you think that is . They are peaceful people. Father desbois yeah, its a people who, as i understand refuse to assimilate. And so it was like a pocket of resistance inside the islamic world. Logan their faith is passed orally from generation to generation. So they have no sacred written book like the bible or the koran, which is one of the reasons isis has condemned them to death or sexual slavery. When yezidi women are rescued or escape from the Islamic State, they come here to the spring that flows under the temple to be cleansed. Now the yezidis are landless in their own land. There are nearly 200,000 living in refugee camps about 120 miles northeast of sinjar in kurdistan, where father desbois spends most of his time, piecing together a picture of what happened to the yezidis of sinjar. Hes recorded over 400 hours of testimony so far. More than 80 men and women, most of which we caution you is disturbing to see and difficult to hear. Logan and he allowed us to sit in with him on his second interview with nasreen, who is 21. Still terrified of isis after more than a year under their control, she covered her face. The wife would hold down my hands as the husband raped me, she told father desbois. She said at one point, she was tied to a bed, naked for three months, and raped, day and night. Father it was many men every night . Logan everyday there would be ten men and they were from all countries. Maha is 28. She had recently arrived in the camp, held by isis or daesh as theyre known here, for almost a year and a half. She gave these photographs to father desbois, which she said isis had taken. They showed three of her children dead poisoned, she claimed by the man who was raping her. He killed them because we tried to escape, she said. But for father desbois, the heart of the isis war machine is not only the suffering of the yezidi girls. Father desbois if we show only the girls i think in one way, the daesh, they dont care. Its not very secret. Very secret is the long term machine they are preparing. Im afraid that they use the image we give of them, rapists, its like if you say hitler was a rapist. Say, yes, they raped a lot of girls. But unfortunately, it was a much larger machine and isis is the same category of machine. Logan very little is known about that. Father desbois very little. Very little. And for me, thats the secret of daesh. Logan a secret that lies with boys like these two brothers, who for their safety asked us not to use their names. They said isis kept them alive to train them as terrorists. Everything they did was to try to make us like them, he said. They ordered us to plant hundreds of bombs and taught us how to detonate them. Father desbois it seems a person received a bullet in the head. Logan forensic specialists are finally beginning to exhume these mass graves and the number of dead already around 5,000 is expected to rise. As the yezidi genocide enters its 21st month, there are still about 3,000 yezidis being held by isis today. How do you stop the machine . Father desbois it can be stopped only military. Logan militarily. Father desbois only military. 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Last year, there were 907. Thats right, 907. The vast majority of earthquakes are small, causing little or no damage. But what they lack in punch, they make up in sheer volume. This tally from the u. S. Geological survey shows the number of earthquakes in oklahoma has increased every year since 2009, with more than 2,000 magnitude three and above. That means more of the bigger ones, like this 4. 3 magnitude quake last december in edmond, oklahoma. Melinda olbert i woke up scared to death, praying that the house wouldnt fall down. I couldnt believe that the windows didnt shatter. Whitaker Melinda Olbert and Kathy Matthews are neighbors in edmond. Olbert what quake app do you use . Kathy matthews i use the one whitaker they say they check their phone apps to track earthquakes around the state all day long. Look at that. Matthews cherokee, enid, fairview, medford, stillwater. Whitaker all in one day . Matthews all in one 24hour period; one hour ago, two hours ago, four hours ago. Whitaker this must be unnerving. Matthews its its no way to live. Its no way to live. Whitaker Cornell University seismologist Katie Keranen was teaching in oklahoma when the increase in quakes began. She says the situation is unprecedented. Whats going on here in oklahoma has never been seen before . Katie keranen just the number of earthquakes is astounding, but how fast it grew it is perhaps even more astounding. Whitaker keranen and her student Catherine Lambert have set up equipment to detect extremely small quakes in an area where there havent been many, hoping the small quakes might provide warnings of larger ones. Keranen and so, so far we have only looked at data from four days of recording, and so we see small earthquakes in the area. Whitaker even over four days. Keranen even over four days, we actually see many dozens of earthquakes. Whitaker many dozens . Keranen thats right. Whitaker keranen was among the first scientists to link the earthquakes to oil and Gas Production. These are manmade earthquakes. Keranen most people feel that the majority of these are linked to this water being disposed. Whitaker the water thats causing the earthquakes is not from fracking, which is water and chemicals pumped underground to free up oil and gas. This is naturally occurring water thats been trapped below ground with the petroleum for millions of years. This is the oil being pumped out . Gary larue oil, gas and water. Whitaker gary larue is president of petrowarrior, a small, independent oil company that operates 14 wells in oklahoma. What happens in this cylinder is what happens on a grand scale at wells across the region. The oil, gas and water naturally separate. Larue so this will be the saltwater here. This is gas up here. Whitaker the bubbles going thats the gas. And look at that. The oil. Like every other operator in the region, big and small, larues oil wells produce more water than petroleum. The gas and oil are collected in tanks for sale, but the water is too briny to be recycled or used. Its considered waste. And all of this is saltwater larue saltwater. Uhhuh. So it has to go back in the ground. We have to get rid of it. Whitaker getting rid of the water means sending it down a disposal well thats drilled deep below the freshwater aquifers to prevent their contamination and the zone where it came from. This is it . Larue this is it. Whitaker this is what all the talks about . Larue just a well in the ground. Whitaker larues disposal well is one of more than 3,000 in oklahoma. The state created a website to explain the earthquakes. This map shows disposal wells as blue dots. The orange dots are earthquakes. When the price of oil went over 100 a barrel in 2008, oil and Gas Production increased dramatically. So did the amount of wastewater and earthquakes. Whats causing these earthquakes . Mark zoback what we have learned in oklahoma is that the earthquakes that are occurring in enormous numbers are the result of waste water injection. Whitaker mark zoback is professor of geophysics at stanford university. Zoback says there are two factors behind the earthquakes. One is the large volumes of water being disposed, and the other is where it all goes deep down into a layer of earth called the arbuckle. What makes this such a good place to dispose of all that water . Zoback well, its very thick. Its porous, its permeable so it can accommodate, you know, very large injection rates. Whitaker the only problem with the arbuckle is that it sits directly on top of the crystalline basement, a rock layer riddled with earthquake faults. So this water is seeping into the faults . Zoback the water pressure is seeping into the faults. And the fault is clamped shut and the water pressure sort of pushes the two sides of the fault apart and allows the slippage to occur today, when it might not occur for thousands of years into the future. Whitaker earthquakes are now a daily occurrence in oklahoma, but it was three quakes in november, 2011 near the town of prague that caught everyones attention. One was magnitude 5. 6, the largest in oklahomas history. It toppled a spire at st. Gregorys university and severely damaged 14 houses, including the one where john and Jerri Loveland live with their two children. Jerri loveland our bed was shaking and all you could hear was glass. John loveland you know, earthquake insurance is something that you dont ever think youre going to have to have. Jerri loveland here. Whitaker in oklahoma. John loveland especially in oklahoma. Whitaker like most oklahomans, the lovelands didnt have earthquake insurance and have been doing their own repairs to save money. More than four years after the quake, Jerri Loveland often resorts to simply hiding the damage. Doesnt that concern you . That youve got a crack like this Jerri Loveland im afraid that if we went in and fixed these and then there was another earthquake, even a little, its going to crack it all and then youve done all that work for no reason. Whitaker im not sure Jerri Loveland crack. Whitaker covering it is fixing it. Jerri loveland its not fixing it. But thats our only choice. Its not like we have the money to bulldoze the house down and start over. That would be great. But its not going to happen. We have a mortgage. We live on one income. And i realize that thats our choice, but our choice was great when somebody else didnt screw our house up, so and thats proven fact that somebody did it. Its not a natural disaster. Whitaker oil and gas is oklahomas largest industry. You can see its importance to the state from the oil rig in front of the capitol. In recent years, Companies Like sandridge, chesapeake, new dominion and devon energy have employed nearly one of six workers in oklahoma. All the companies declined to provide someone to speak to us. For years, govenor mary fallin was skeptical the quakes were connected to oil and Gas Production. But as the number of quakes skyrocketed, she created an Advisory Council in 2014 to study the situation. Last summer, fallin conceded a connection. Govenor mary fallin i think we all know now that there is a direct correlation between the increase of earthquakes that weve seen in oklahoma with disposal wells. Whitaker nonetheless, last year, the state cut the budget of the agencies investigating the quakes and regulating the oil and gas industry. Kim hatfield of the Oklahoma Independent Petroleum association sits on the governors council. He did agree to an interview and insists the science is inconclusive. Kim hatfield you have to understand that injection into the arbuckle is not something that started in 2009, 2008, or even 2000. This is something thats been going on for 60, 70 years. And weve had had a sudden change. And the question is, what changed . Whitaker the amount of wastewater injected into disposal wells last year is triple what it was in 2009, adding up to more than 200 billion gallons of water in seven years. The thing thats different is the amount of water that the oil industry is pumping into the arbuckle formation. Thats whats different. And along with that difference comes these earthquakes. Thats not the trigger . Hatfield the injection of water is a factor. But it is not possibly the only factor. We dont know. Whitaker so what more needs to be done . Hatfield we need to understand this issue. Its not as simple as saying well, lets just stop injecting water. The Energy Industry is is is very important to the state. Mike teague if it is your house thats shaking there is no way that were moving fast enough. Whitaker mike teague is oklahomas secretary of energy and environment. Hes got the tough job of protecting oklahomas anxious citizens without damaging its most important industry. Teague i keep track of all earthquakes above a 3. 0 in the state and 2012 we had three dozen in the entire year. 2013, we had 109. Next year, we had 585. Last year, we had 907. Whitaker thats an alarming increase. Teague absolutely. Whitaker so what have you concluded is the cause . Teague well, the focus right is right now, is disposal wells. Whitaker how do you balance out the economic benefit of the gas and oil industry and the Public Safety . Teague i dont think its a balance. I think Public Safety has to take precedence. Whitaker mark zoback from stanford has been working with mike teague and the state Earthquake Council for more than a year. Zoback lowering the total amount of salt water injection into the arbuckle is the only way that these earthquakes are going to start to subside. Whitaker do they have time . Zoback theres nothing we know that says larger earthquakes are imminent. But everything we know says that the earthquakes are, are going to be continuing. And there is a probability of larger earthquakes in the future, if they do nothing. Whitaker this winter, the state called for widespread voluntary reductions in wastewater disposal by as much as 45 in earthquake zones. More than 600 wells are covered by the cutbacks. Last year, when neighboring kansas had similar seismic activity, it reduced Oil Wastewater disposal and saw a 60 drop in quakes from the year before. But considering the huge volume of water already pumped underground in oklahoma, its too early to know whether the cuts here will succeed. Nowhere is the need for action more urgent than cushing, oklahoma. Cushing is home to the nations Largest Crude Oil storage and pipeline facilities, which the department of Homeland Security calls critical infrastructure. The complex was rocked by a series of earthquakes last fall. Now the state has asked you to stop putting so much water down. Larue they did a voluntary action. Were six miles away from cushing over there. Whitaker independent oil man gary larue says cutting back on the disposal of water also means cutting back on the production of oil and gas. With the recent drop in oil prices, the cutbacks, he says, will hurt. Larue 30 a barrel, if we have to cut our production in half because of restrictions they put on us, were done. Whitaker youre out of business . Larue yeah, we wont be drilling wells, we wont be employing local people to do our service work, were done. It will drive us out. Whitaker just two weeks ago, larue abandoned one of his 14 wells to comply with the cutbacks. Kathy matthews you know that its going to hurt the companies. Its going to hurt your friends. Its going to hurt your neighbors. But you cannot compromise, when it comes to Public Safety. Olbert we may be talking about trucking it 30 miles away. I think that could be done. Kathy matthews i wont be fearmongered into thinking that you cant do anything. Because in my heart of hearts, i believe you can. And i believe you should. And i believe you havent. And now youre paying the price. Olbert were paying the price. Bill whitaker has covered earthquakes around the world. But oklahomas are a different story. Go to 60minutesovertime. Com, sponsored by pfizer. Your body was made for Better Things than rheumatoid arthritis. Before you and your rheumatologist move to another treatment, ask if xeljanz is right for you. Xeljanz is a small pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. 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