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Kroft no one is likely to be watching this story more closely than the fbi. You break rules, you end up in a dumpster. Kroft its the first extended tv interview john gotti, jr. , has ever done. He talks about his life as a made member of the gambino crime family, following in the footsteps of his famous father, the dapper don, john gotti, jr. Obviously, he spent a lot of time in prison for murder. How do you justify that . I dont know if you can ever justify murder. I dont know if you can justify it. But i can make. I can make some type of an argument. You want to hear it . Kroft sure. Okay. The fact that they allowed an fbi agent to infiltrate their organization, and add to that the fact that im a cubanborn playing an italian who was able to fool them its an amazing insult to them. Keteyian jack garcia learned the language of la costa nostra, infiltrated the mob, and took down one of the most powerful mobsters in america. How did he do it and why is he now talking on 60 minutes . 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Tonight, tales of murder, mayhem, and the mafia 60 minutes presents mob stories. We begin with charlie and carol gasko. They were an elderly couple who moved to santa monica, california, sometime in early 1997 to begin a new phase of their life. For the next 14 years, they did almost nothing that was memorable. And as we first reported back in 2013, they would be of absolutely no interest, if it werent for the fact that Charlie Gasko turned out to be james Whitey Bulger, the notorious boston gangster and longtime fugitive, who is now in prison serving two lifetime sentences. Carol gasko was actually Catherine Greig, whiteys longtime girlfriend and caregiver. The story of how they managed to elude an International Manhunt for so long while hiding in plain sight is interesting. And tonight, youll hear about it from the gaskos neighbors, and from federal agents who finally unraveled the case, with the help of a boob job and an alley cat. If youre forced into retirement, with a comfortable nest egg and a desire to be left completely alone, there is no better place than santa monica, california. This lowkey seaside suburb of l. A. Is shared by transients and tourists, hippies and hedonists, celebrities and lots of Senior Citizens attracted to the climate and an abundance of inexpensive, rentcontrolled apartments just a few blocks from the ocean. Places like the princess eugenia on third street, which is where charlie and carol gasko, a childless couple from chicago, lived for 14 years without attracting much attention from longtime neighbors or landlords. Josh bond is the building manager. What were they like . Josh bond they were, like, the nice retired old couple that lived in the apartment next to me. Kroft good tenants . Bond excellent tenants. Never complained, always paid rent on time. Kroft in cash . Bond in cash. Kroft Janus Goodwin lived down the hall. Janus goodwin they had nothing. And they never went out. They never had food delivered. She never dressed nicely. Kroft you thought they were poor . Goodwin yes, without a doubt. Kroft the one thing everyone remembers about the gaskos is at they loved animals and always made a fuss over the ones in the neighborhood. Barbara gluck remembers that carol gasko always fed a stray cat after its owner had died. Barbara gluck she would, you know, pet it and be sweet to it, and then she would put a plate of food, like, out here. Kroft and what about Charlie Gasko . Gluck you know, he always had a hat on and dark glasses. I have to say it was mysterious to me, why a lovely woman like that was hanging out with that guy, that old, grumpy man. I never could figure that one out. Until i heard they had 800,000 something dollars in the wall. laughter and then i went, oh, okay, you know . Kroft money wasnt the only thing found in the gaskos apartment on june 22, 2011, when the fbi stopped by and ended what it called the most extensive manhunt in the bureaus history. Scott garriola weapons all over the apartment. I mean, weapons by his nightstand, weapons under the windowsill shotguns, mini rugers, rifles. Kroft what had started out as a routine day for special agent Scott Garriola, who was in charge of hunting fugitives in l. A. , would turn into one of the most interesting days of his career. After getting a call to stake out a building in santa monica, he notified his backup team with the l. A. P. D. Garriola i had four guys working that day, and i said, we got a tip on Whitey Bulger, and ill see you there in about an hour. And invariably the texts would return, whos Whitey Bulger . Kroft really . Garriola yeah, a few of them. So i had to remind them. Gently remind them who Whitey Bulger was. Kroft that he was number one of the fbis most wanted list. Garriola number. Number one. Number one, yeah. Big east coast figure, but. So, on the west coast, not so much. Imagine any cartel leader. Kroft the cops in l. A. Were focused on gangbangers and cartel members, not some retired irish mobster who hadnt been spotted in 16 years. But then, few mobsters have ever been as infamous in a city as Whitey Bulger was in boston, and his reputation was for more than just being grumpy. Besides extortion and flooding the city with cocaine, bulger routinely performed or ordered executions some at close range, some with a hail of bullets, and at least one by strangulation, after which, its said, he took a nap. Special agent rich teahan, who ran the fbis Whitey Bulger Fugitive Task force, had heard it all. Rich teahan bulger was charged with 19 counts of murder. He was charged with other crimes. He was a scourge to the society in south boston, his own community. Kroft he was also a scourge to the fbi, and a great source of embarrassment to teahan, special agent phil torsney, and others on the fbi task force. Years earlier, Whitey Bulger had infiltrated the Boston Office of the fbi and bought off agents, who protected him and plied him with information, including the tip that allowed bulger to flee just days before he was to be indicted. Phil torsney we really had to catch this guy to establish credibility after all the other issues. And it was just a matter of bringing this guy back to boston. Kft torsney, whos now retired, and agent Tommy Macdonald joined the task force in 2009. The joke was bulger was on the fbis least wanted list. There hadnt been a credible lead in more than a decade. And their efforts in bulgers Old Neighborhood of south boston were met with mistrust and ridicule. Torsney some people, they told us right out front, you guys arent looking for that guy. People just made the assumption we had him stashed somewhere. I mean, people really thought that kind of thing. Tommy macdonald despite that mindset that were not going to help you, the fbi still got it done. Kroft took 16 years. Macdonald took 16 years. Yeah, this was not a typical fugitive. Kroft the fbi says bulger had planned his getaway years in advance, with money set aside and a fake identity for a thomas baxter. During his first two years on the lam, bulger was in touch with friends and family, shuttling between new york, chicago, and the resort town of grand isle, louisiana, where he rented a home until his identity was compromised. After that, it seemed as if bulger had disappeared from the face of the earth, except for the alleged sightings all over the world. How many of these tips do you think might have been true . Torsney boy, there was thousands and thousands of tips, and i think. I dont think any of them were true. Kroft one of the obstacles was, there were really no good photographs of bulger or his longtime livein girlfriend Catherine Greig, a former dental hygienist. The fbi often noted that the couple shared a love of animals, especially dogs and cats, and asked veterinarians to be on the lookout. There were reports that greig once had Breast Implants and other Plastic Surgery in boston, so the task force reached out to physicians. Eventually, they got a call from a dr. Matthias donelan, who had located her files in storage. Macdonald i was trying to leave the office a little early to catch one of my kids ballgames. And i said, well, listen, im going to swing by in the morning and pick those up. And they said to me, do you want the photos, too . And i said, you have photos . And they said, yeah, we have photos. I said, well be there in 15 minutes. Kroft the Breast Implant lead produced a treasure trove of highresolution Catherine Greig photographs that would help crack the case. The fbi decided to switch strategies, going after the girlfriend in order to catch the gangster. This is an announcement by the fbi. Kroft the fbi created this Public Service announcement. 60yearold greig is the girlfriend of 81yearold bulger. Kroft it ran it in 14 markets on daytime talk shows aimed at women. Call the tip line at 1800 callfbi. Kroft and it didnt take long. The very next morning, the bulger task force got three messages from someone that used to live in santa monica, and was 100 certain that charlie and carol gasko, apartment 303 at the princess eugenia apartments, were the people they were looking for. The descriptions and the age difference matched, and deputy u. S. Marshall neil sullivan, who handled the lead, said there was another piece of tantalizing information. Neil sullivan the tipster specifically described that they were caring for this cat and their love for this cat. So that was just one piece of the puzzle on the tip that just added up to saying, if this isnt them, its something we better check out immediately because it sure sounds like them. Kroft a search of the fbis computer database for the gaskos raised another red flag not for what it found, but for what it didnt. Sullivan basically, like, they were ghosts. Kroft no drivers license. Sullivan exactly. No drivers license, no california i. D. , like they didnt exist. Kroft thats the apartment. Garriola that corner on the third floor. Kroft on the righthand side . Garriola yep. Kroft by early afternoon, fbi agent Scott Garriola had set up a number of surveillance posts, and had already met with apartment manager josh bond to talk about his tenants. Bond he closed the door, threw down a folder and opened it up and said, are these the people that live in apartment 303 . Kroft did you say anything when you saw the pictures . Bond my initial reaction was, holy bleep . Kroft youre living next door to a gangster. Bond well, i still didnt really know who he was. Kroft but it didnt take him long to figure it out. While the fbi was mulling its options, bond logged on to bulgers wikipedia page. Bond and im just kind of scrolling down. Its like, oh, wow, this guys serious. Its, like, murders and extortion. And then, i get to the bottom and theres this. This thing. Its like, from one of his old, you know, people saying, well, the last time i saw him, he. He said, you know, when he goes out, hes. Hes going to have guns and hes going to be ready to take people with him. I was like, ooh, maybe i shouldnt be involved in this. laughs kroft bond told the fbi he wasnt going to knock on the gaskos door, because there was a note posted expressly asking people not to bother them. Carol had told the neighbors that charlie was showing signs of dementia. Garriola so we were back there. Kroft so, garriola devised a ruse involving the gaskos storage locker in the garage. Garriola it had the name gasko across it and apartment 303. Kroft he had the manager call to tell them that their locker had been broken into, and that he needed someone to come down to see if anything was missing. Carol gasko said her husband would be right down. Garriola we just rushed him. Kroft you mean guns out . Fbi, dont move garriola gave the words, hey, fbi. Get your hands up. Hands went up right away. And then, at that moment, we told him get down on his knees and he gave us. laughs yeah, he gave us a i aint getting down on my fing knees. Kroft didnt want to get his pants dirty. Garriola didnt want to get his pants dirty. You know, wearing white and seeing the oil on the ground, i guess he didnt want to get down in oil. Kroft even at 81, this was a man used to being in control. Garriola i asked him to identify himself and that didnt go over well. He asked me to fing identify myself, which i did. And i asked him, i said, are you Whitey Bulger . He said, yes. Just about that moment, someone catches my attention from a few feet away by the elevator shaft. Kroft it was Janus Goodwin from the third floor, coming to do her laundry. Goodwin and i said, excuse me. I think i can help you. This man has dementia, so if hes acting oddly, you know, that could be why. Garriola immediately, what flashed through my mind is, oh, my god, i just arrested an 81 yearold man with alzheimers who thinks hes Whitey Bulger. What is he going to tell me next, hes elvis . So i said, do me a favor. This woman over here says you have a touch of alzheimers, and he said, dont listen to her, shes fing nuts. He says, im james bulger. Kroft a few minutes later, he confirmed it, signing a consent form allowing the fbi to search his apartment. Garriola i did ask him, i said, hey, whitey, i said, arent you relieved that you dont have to look over your shoulder anymore and, you know, its come to an end . And he said, are you bleep nuts . Kroft but, in some ways, Whitey Bulger and Catherine Greig had already been prisoners in apartment 303, which appeared to be a mixture of the murderous and the mundane. Alongside the weapons and all the money, they had stockpiled a lifetime supply of cleansers, creams, and detergents. The fbi took special interest in a collection of 64ounce bottles with white socks stretched over the top. Garriola i said, hey whitey, what are these . Are these some kind of molotov cocktail youre making . He goes, no, he said, i buy tube socks from the 99 cent store, and theyre too tight on my calves and thats the way i stretch them out. I said, why you shopping at the 99 cent store . You have half a Million Dollars under your bed. He goes, i had to make the money last. Kroft its been said that one of the reasons it took so long to catch Whitey Bulger is that people were looking for a gangster, and bulger, whether he liked it or not, had ceased to be one. Torsney he said it was hard to keep up that mindset of a criminal. And thats part of the reason he came down to that garage. It was hard to stay on that edge, that criminal edge, after being on the lam as a regular citizen for 15 years. Kroft the master manipulator gave credit to Catherine Greig for keeping him crimefree, hoping it would mitigate her sentence. She is now serving eight years for harboring a fugitive. On the long plane ride back to boston, bulger told his captors that he became obsessed with not getting caught, and would do anything to avoid it, even if it meant obeying the law. Whitey bulgers biggest fear, they said, was being discovered dead in his apartment and he had a plan to avoid it. Torsney if he became ill and knew he was on his deathbed, hed go down to arizona, crawl down in the bottom of one of these mines, and die and decompose. And hope. Hope that we would never find him and still be looking. Looking for him forever. 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He wanted to be the only person we talked to on camera for this story, and to have his lawyer by his side to make sure he didnt say anything that could be used to indict him again, because no one was more likely to be watching this story more closely than the fbi. John gotti, jr. my father was my cause. If my father wasnt in that life, i probably wouldnt have been in the street life, either. Whatever he was is what i wanted to be. And if he decided the next day, you know what . I dont like this anymore. Im going to be a butcher, i would tell him, i hope you have a smock for me. Thats the way i feel. Thats the way i felt. Kroft you can tell he still worships his father. Gotti, jr. handsome as ever. Handsome as ever. Kroft not just with the love of a son, but with some of the same misguided romanticism that has long drawn the news media and the public to the mob culture. And john gotti, sr. , was the most famous mobster of his generation. He ascended to the top of the gambino crime family by organizing the assassination of his predecessor, paul castellano, outside a popular manhattan steak house. It was a stylistic statement that gotti, sr. , would accentuate with 2,000 italian suits and handpainted ties, earning him a certain brand of celebrity and a nickname, the dapper don. In new york, a city that worships power of any kind, gottis reached beyond gambling and loansharking into the garment center, the garbage business, and the construction industry. And he wanted everyone to know what he did, as long as they couldnt prove it. Now, a friend of your fathers told me there is nothing he loved better than being a gangster. Gotti, jr. nothing. Nothing. Kroft what did he love about it . Gotti, jr. everything. There was nothing he didnt like about it. My father lived that life 24 7. 24 7. In fact, his wife and kids were second to the streets. He loved it. He loved the code. He loved the action. He loved the chase. Kroft was that more important than money . Gotti, jr. he hated money. He used to say, if a guy was saving money or putting money away, and he was a street guy, he would say, whats on his mind . What has he got planned . You know, at the end of the day, were all going to jail. Whats he going to do with that money . Kroft is that the way he looked at life . Gotti, jr. he felt that anybody who really truly lived in the streets not the fringe players, not the frauds, not the pretenders if you really, truly lived it like john did, at the end of the day, you got to die or go to jail. Thats the rules. Thats the way it was. Kroft did he talk about what he did for a living . Gotti, jr. no, he didnt sit at the table and say, you know, by the way, my take from the numbers rackets are up this week, you know . It didnt go like that, nothing like that. Kroft and he didnt have conversations like that with the. With some of his friends. Gotti, jr. no. Other than my father being away from home you know, being incarcerated and the hours that he kept, our house was a pretty normal house. Kroft gotti says it wasnt until he was 14, when he was shipped off to boarding school at the new York Military academy, that he found out exactly who his father was and what he did. And he learned it while watching a news program with his fellow cadets. What was the reaction of your classmates . Gotti, jr. i guess maybe some of them were intimidated. But most of them thought it was pretty cool. Does your father. They said, your father kill people . Does your father beat people up . Not around the house. Kroft at some point, you must have come to the realization that he did, outside of the house. Gotti, jr. probably. But in front of me . No. Kroft how do you, as a young man, react to that . Gotti, jr. im howard beach. Im from howard beach. Pretty much, were taught, from a young age, that you dont call the cops for nothing. We take care of our own problems. And pretty much all your uncles, cousins, friends, father, theyre all bouncing around the street, in one shape or form. And this is the way it is. As 14yearold kids, 15yearold kids, wed go up to the boulevard where we hung out, and wed talk about, hey, tough break, you know. Tony just got ten years. Hes going to jail. Having a big party for him over there. Oh, yeah, good, good, good. And his sons are, you know, sitting next to you. Its just. It was normal conversation for us. Kroft you knew people were breaking the law. Gotti, jr. sure. Sure. Kroft and what youre saying is that wasnt considered necessarily a bad thing . Gotti, jr. no. No, not at all. Kroft because . Gotti, jr. because everybody did it. You know what . The guy next to you was a car thief. The guy next to you on your lefthand side, he was a book maker. Thats everybody. Kroft it was the summer after he graduated from military school that gotti discovered what he thought was his calling, hanging around his fathers headquarters at the bergin hunt and fish club. Gotti, jr. id go to the bergin hunt and fish club all the time. I wanted to be around him. And he had that type of a personality. And i would just watch. So youre sitting around the social club, and theyd be playing cards and theyre hanging out. And theyre breaking balls, and cooking, and laughing, and commiserating. And everythings going on. And youre right there. And youre saying, this is where i belong. Kroft when you became a made man, when you were formally inducted in. Into la cosa nostra, was that a. Was that a big deal for him . Gotti, jr. you like the way that word sounds, la cosa nostra . How it flows on your tongue . Kroft no, i. Im trying to find another word. You. You dont like mob. You dont like mafia. Gotti, jr. i was a street guy. I was in the streets. Kroft okay. Gotti, jr. and you know, when my father embraced me, put his arm around me, and looked at me as a street guy, as a knock around guy, a bouncearound guy like himself, proudest moment of my life. Was the proudest moment of my life because i was slowly becoming like him. Kroft obviously, he spent a lot of time in prison for murder. How do you justify that . Gotti, jr. i dont know if you can ever justify murder. I dont know if you can justify it. But i can make. I can make some type of an argument. You want to hear it . Kroft sure. Gotti, jr. okay. John was a part of the streets. He swore that that was his life. He swore, im going to live and die by the rules of the streets, the code of the streets. And everybody that johns accused of killing or may have killed or wanted to kill or tried to kill, was a part of that same street. That was a part of the same world, the same code. And my father was always said, in his mind, you break rules, you end up in a dumpster. If i break rules, meaning himself, theyre going to put two in my hat and put me in a dumpster. Thats the way it works. So, am i justifying it . No, im explaining it. Kroft and you were comfortable living in that world . Gotti, jr. when you dont know much else, yeah. Yeah, i guess so. I guess so. When you dont know much else, i guess so. Kroft you thought you were capable of killing somebody . Gotti, jr. i dont think anybody. I dont know if anybody ever thinks of themselves as capable of killing anybody, until theyre put into that position. Kroft you know, i want to ask you, have you ever killed anybody . But youre not going to answer that question, are you . Gotti, jr. first of all, its a ridiculous question. Second of. If you go by the government, who didnt i kill . Kroft by the late 1990s, he learned that the federal government was preparing to file charges against him for racketeering, and he began to wonder whether he had the stomach for the job. I mean, there was a lot of treachery. Gotti, jr. oh, absolutely. Theres treachery in every. Theres treachery in the corporate world equally. I have to say. I cant say more so. Equally so in the streets. Kroft still, it was dealt with a little differently on the streets, though . Gotti, jr. careers are made and broken. Guys are bankrupted. Yeah, i can see where youre going with this. laughter kroft did you ever worry about getting whacked . Gotti, jr. every day. Every day. Thats a possibility. Its a possibility that something could happen to you every day of your life. And you know something . When. When you hang out in the streets, youre hanging with a different type of a person. You know, you dont know whats going to happen. You know, you can be with. Tonys here today, then tonys doing ten years tomorrow. Billys here today, and then you never see him again. Who knows . Anythings possible. Its a volatile existence. Kroft today, gotti is a free man and back living in his familys twoacre compound, with a Swimming Pool and stables, in the fashionable village of oyster bay long island. This is a very nice piece of property. Gotti, jr. thank you. Kroft he claims the property was purchased with income from legitimate businesses, and the government has been unable to prove otherwise. He says it is heavily mortgaged and he is deeply in debt after spending millions on his legal bills. He says the family is getting by on a modest income from commercial real estate properties. Gotti, jr. this little guy was born the first day of jury selection in my third trial. Kroft gotti is now 51, married, with six children ranging in age from eight to 24. He says he is still trying to acclimate himself to normal family life. Gotti, jr. i was in the life. I was active in the life. I embraced the life and everything that went with it. But a lot of what youve heard and seen about me is fiction. Theres fact and theres fiction, and a lot of it is fiction. Kroft was there anything about the life other than your father that you liked and enjoyed . Gotti, jr. theres a lot to like about the streets. Theres a lot of glamour there. You know, theres a lot of what you believe to be camaraderie. Kroft the glamour part. Tell me about the glamour part . Gotti, jr. ell, theres the suits, theres the cars. Theres the restaurants. Theres the attention. The deference youre given, no matter where you go, you know. It means a lot. You feel like youre a special kind of guy. Kroft gotti says hes explored the possibility of leaving the new york area for North Carolina or florida, but some of his children are resisting. He says hes interested in writing a book about his life. Gotti, jr. i. Ive been writing for several years, exploring a literary career. Kroft you wrote a childrens book. Gotti, jr. i did. I did. While i was in ray brook. Sure, it was fun. It was fun. It was fun, because it. The fact that i. I had written it, and my cellmate, who was doing 17 years for bank robbery, Brian Linderman sweetheart of a kid he was. Hes somewhat of an artist, so he did all the illustrations. And i couldnt get it published. I couldnt get it published, because everywhere we went, they wanted my life. No, we want to know about the juicy stuff, and then well do that. And i wasnt interested in doing it. So, basically, it went nowhere. Kroft in the years since we conducted that interview, john gotti did end up selfpublishing an autobiography called shadow of my father. Hes been working on a movie version that he says will star John Travolta playing his dad. Its scheduled to be shot in 2016. Gotti, jr. im blessed. Blessed. Kroft why do you feel that way . Youre alive. Gotti, jr. im alive. Im free. My children are healthy, which is most important. I have the liberty to get up every morning and embrace my children, spend time with my family. Im blessed. 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And i was able to be the type of guy that never in a million years would somebody suspect that i was an agent. Keteyian Joaquin Jack Garcia may be the most unlikely Law Enforcement figure in history all 390 pounds of him whose performance was so convincing that he was offered the mafias highest honor to become a made man in the mob. Garcia in the mob culture, that is the holy grail. For an associate to be proposed for membership into la cosa nostra is what these criminals aspire to do. Keteyian to become a made man. Garcia to become a made man. The fact that they allowed an fbi agent to infiltrate their organization, and add to that the fact that im a cubanborn playing an italian who was able to fool them its an amazing insult to them. Keteyian for garcia, his invitation to enter the mob capped a career working a staggering 100 major undercover cases. But none compared with jack falcone, the character he created in 2002 to get inside the gambino crime family, playing the role of an investor in a strip club that the gambinos and one of their ruthless leaders, greg depalma, were muscling in on. Garcia jack falcone entered the scene in the bronx, new york. He was a guy who was a jewel thief, and he was a guy who was an extortionist and a hijacker. I drove a fancy car. I mean, i had the rolex president s watch. I had the obligatory threecarat diamond pinky. I had the cross. Then of, course, suits all got to be italian silk. You got to get your brionis, you got to get your zegna. Lucky got my size there arent too many zegnas or brionis in my size. Its this package that you want to create. You dont play the role of this big money launderer and then you show up in a yugo. Keteyian garcia was the complete package 20 Years Experience as an fbi agent, combined with a style and charm that mobsters could not resist. Garcia i was this big guy with a lot of cash who everybody wanted to be around. So i would disarm the person by always being nice. Hey, youre looking great today. Where did you get those nice threads, man . Look at you, like a Million Dollars. Oh, yeah, i look good. Oh, yeah, yeah, look at this. I love those blue shoes. Everybody loves a happy guy. Keteyian happy jack. Garcia happy jack. Worked for me. Keteyian new york fbi agent nat parisi handpicked garcia for the job, becoming his handler in the case, his sole lifeline to the outside world during the twoandahalfyear investigation. Nat parisi when he enters a room full of wise guys, theyre all going to want to know, who is that man . Keteyian how do you train a cubanamerican to become an italianamerican and pass the wise guy test . Parisi im an italian american, and i shared with jack, you know, my experiences growing up. But he and i were convinced that he could pull it off. Garcia so nat decided to come up with this school that we called it the mob school. Keteyian excuse me . Garcia yes, it was called the mob school. Keteyian a form of Higher Education that included, of all things, a trip to the grocery store, where garcia learned one of the mobs golden rules never carry your cash in a wallet. Wrap it in a rubber band pulled from a head of broccoli. Garcia you would take this off, as you can see. And then you would just wrap it up. There you are. This is the way you operated with your money. Everybody just simply carries a wad of cash. Keteyian with a broccoli band. Garcia with a broccoli band. That was one of those Little Things that could be big things down the line if you didnt. If you didnt prepare right for your role. Because unlike, like i said, in the sopranos, where there were multiple takes, there was only take, and that was it. And it had to be a good one. Keteyian the training also required garcia to spend countless hours in front of the television. Do i have this right . You actually watched the food channel . Garcia yes. You pick up little phrases there, you know, tuto bene, you know, and all these Little Things. And i would watch the way the food was prepared, what are the ingredients that went in, the pronunciation of the ingredient because all. A lot of conversations all dealt with eh, hows your food . Hows your pasta fagiole . Eh, its good. You could add a little more of this, a little bit of that. And it was always like there were. Everybody was a food critic in the mob. Oh, forget about this. Lets go down the block, this guy makes it better than this guy. Like being cuban, i get caught up sometimes. Like i would say, manicotti. Its not manicotti, its manigot. Keteyian for you, a single mispronunciation, a single misstep, the wrong word at the wrong time, the alarm bells go off. Garcia exactly. And i couldnt afford having alarm bells going off. I wanted things to constantly be without any suspicion. Keteyian garcia left nothing to chance out of respect and fear for the man at the center of his investigation gambino capo greg depalma, head of the familys operations in new yorks affluent westchester county. At 72, depalma had a reputation as an oldschool mobster with a hairtrigger temper. Garcia greg depalma, i would best describe him as the devil incarnate, a very evil man, very evil man. Keteyian correct me if im wrong who once used a power tool. Garcia yes. Keteyian . On someones head. Garcia that is correct. Keteyian . Who he thought was stealing from him . Garcia yes. Keteyian a man not given to subtlety. Garcia he just didnt care. And he took his oath and he really lived by it, where the family came first that if your child was dying, laying in bed with few minutes to live, or seconds, and the boss calls you, you better leave that child and go see the boss because thats your real family. Keteyian before long, jack falcone won over depalma, first by giving him cartons of counterfeit cigarettes for his birthday, and then by offering him what became an endless stream of luxury goods, all supplied to jack by the fbi. Theres a word for the kind of guy you were in the mafia. Youre a. Youre an earner. Garcia im an earner. Keteyian what do you mean by that . Garcia being an earner is a very important thing. An earner is a kind of guy who makes money, not only for himself and his skipper, but also for the family. And greg depalma saw me as an earner. Keteyian for two years, falcone wore a wire taped to his chest, and for good measure, gave depalma this cell phone with a bugging device that allowed the fbi to track depalmas location and listen in on his conversations, even when the phone was turned off. Falcone became like a son to depalma, at his side while he and other mobsters concocted schemes to extort businesses, sell fake sports memorabilia, and collect a tax on nearly every Union Construction site in new york. Garcia greg depalma told me that, in new york city, 2 of all construction goes to the mob. Keteyian youre talking what, tens. Garcia you want to do business. Keteyian . Of millions of dollars . Garcia thats the mob tax, its called. Keteyian in building their case against the gambinos, garcia and his handler, nat parisi, would meet up to five times a day, often in Public Places like this home depot, exchanging evidence and information. Garcia i would come in with an envelope that would contain all the recording devices which i wore. Parisi id also brief him on what we knew, the intelligence that we were gathering. So that he could be safer and do his job out there better. Keteyian but for all of the information they exchanged, there was one extraordinary conversation captured on tape, an offer from depalma to make falcone a made member of the mob. Greg depalma so there is only one thing im pushing to do asap, is you. [no audio] everything else. Falcone well, i appreciate that, buddy. Depalma that would be the second guy. I mean, you want it, right . Falcone yeah, of course. Im honored for that. Im even honored that you know, you know. That i will never let you down, either. Keteyian whats going through your mind when you hear those words, youre going to become a made man. Falcone i couldnt believe it. And i feel, i said, wow, were here, weve really come a long way. Here i am, an fbi agent. Hes trusted me so much that he would propose me, considering that this is a seasoned, hardcore mobster. Keteyian there had to be some sort of escape plan if things went wrong. If you were asked to kill somebody, what was the out . Garcia the scenario i set up if i was ever going to be involved, lets take a ride, jack. Were going to go take care of this guy. I was going to have a heart attack. So picture this all of a sudden we got to do somebody, im going to start wailing, on the ground, theyre going to stop what theyre doing and theyre going to try to take me to the doctor. And i would do it. So i had this all programmed in my mind. Keteyian but in february, 2005, garcias life as jack falcone unraveled inside this Bloomingdales Department store, when he acted more like a cop than a criminal. It happened in the house wares section, when he watched a gambino capo named Robert Vaccaro attack another capo, known as petey chops, with a heavy crystal candlestick. Garcia he takes it, cracks him on the head, and you hear like a melon breaking, just pop, and then blood starts gushing. He drops straight down. And im sitting there going, i dont believe whats going on. I just saw an assault going on here. Keteyian in the house wares section. Garcia in the house wares section, president s day at bloomingdales, white plains. Keteyian doesnt mafia law dictate that you get in on this beating . Garcia youre right. Im saying, okay, now, i think i messed up royally here. Because, number one, i didnt take any licks at this guy, petey chops. I should have been, you know, kicking him, banging him, some way of something, slapping him around. I didnt do that. Keteyian a potential fatal mistake for you . Garcia i thought that that incident, they looked at me after that, a little. A little different. Keteyian the fbi was so concerned that garcia had blown his cover and was about to be killed that it pulled the plug on the investigation. But by now, the bureau had gathered enough evidence to take down the hierarchy of the gambino crime family, including greg depalma and 31 other associates. All pled guilty except depalma, who insisted on going to trial. In the courtroom, the man he trusted as jack falcone turned right before his eyes into fbi agent jack garcia. Keteyian describe the look on greg depalmas face when youre testifying against him in court. Garcia oh, it was classic. Hes looking at me. You know, you could tell, like, if he could just come. Get his hands around my neck, you know, hed just take me out. And im walking out of the court room. I had to pass by his table, and he just looked at me and he said to me, you know, youre going to have to probably blot this out because you [no audio] you know, so. So i just walked away. And, you know. Keteyian from the bottom of his heart. Garcia from the bottom of his heart. Keteyian depalma was sentenced to 12 years in prison. And while garcia says he is proud of the outcome of the case, hes angry over the decision to end the investigation, a decision that kept him from being the first Law Enforcement agent in history to become a made member of the mob. But mark mershon, then the head of the fbis new york office, says it was critical to protect one of their own. Mark mershon there is a risk reward relationship that were simply not willing to take on. But i will tell you that, by anybodys estimate, jack garcia was one of just a handful in the entire 100year history of the fbi to be both so successful and so prolific. Keteyian he was that good. Mershon he was truly, truly outstanding. Keteyian retired from the fbi in 2008 after 26 years, garcia wrote a bestselling book, published by a cbs sister company. He came out of the shadows, defiant in the face of the risk to his life. Why in the world do this interview on 60 minutes . Why put yourself out in the public this way . Garcia why should i be Walking Around hiding as to who i am . And i know theres these safety issues and all that. But you know what . Its just. I equate this to, like, bullies when youre growing up. Bullies will pick on the weak. If i hide myself from the camera, walk around with the silly glasses and a hat and the blotout face, you know what . Im afraid of them . Im not the bad guy here, im the good guy. Keteyian you had more than enough people that wanted you dead. Garcia that is true. Could it happen . Absolutely. But you know what . Somebody comes after me, they better come in numbers, because im ready for them. For a look at how 60 minutes reports its stories, as well as interviews with correspondents and producers, go to 60minutesovertime. Com. Sponsored by pfizer. And i quit smoking with chantix. I dont know that i can put into words how happy i was when i quit. Its like losing some baggage, i dont have to carry it around with me anymore. 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