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Anderson joining me if you are listening to the program on Monday you know that I announce that we are going to have Dr Dubrow ties with us to talk about the significance of Francis Schaffer and we will do that but over the weekend I am not ignoring the something that is very significant and that is 30 people dead as a result of 2 different mass shootings one in El Paso Texas one and Dayton Ohio this last hour on a local show I spent an hour covering that and we will come back to that topic again in about an hour but I do believe that sometimes in the midst of all the you can. Has encountered charges the confusion the misinformation as well as the emotions I do think I want to continue on with our conversation that we had scheduled today and will do so so if you have some comments about the shootings and if you want to add to that not only the one in El Paso Texas but also in Dayton Ohio also the one in Gilroy California we're going to get into some of that and we do have an article on the mass shootings on our Web site one on the so-called contagion effect and I will have more to say about that a little bit later as well as some other topics that are certainly relevant we will be talking about that but I wanted to if I can move forward with a conversation I've been looking forward to for some time and that is a conversation with a good friend Dr Doug group ties who is an individual that has it worked in this area of world view and apologetics for decades and has published lots of great books for example his book on Christian apologetics unmasking the New Age truth decay philosophy in 7 sentences and the most recent book that we talked about last time he was on the program walking through twilight a wife's illness a philosopher's lament since that time he has lost his wife Becky and has been remarries We'll talk about that in just a minute and a vigil is a member of the have a jungle Theological Society there in Jellicoe Philosophical Society the society of Christian philosophers professor at Denver Seminary holds a bachelor's and ph d. From the University of Oregon a master's in philosophy University of Wisconsin in Madison an individual that has been an instructor at such places as Westminster Theological Seminary University of Oregon and of course Denver Seminary to grow Tice always great to have you on the program with us thank you Kirby. I can't help but think about what's been happening in the country with all this mass violence. I was just thinking a few minutes ago Francis Schaffer respond to this my 1st thought was that he would cry. A man of the feeling. Compassion and he would try to get to the heart of the matter the best he could but there's certainly a place or. Found emotion when we look at tragedies like this and when we wonder what's going to happen next he was a very engaged man with people personally want on one and also a very deep thinker and it's rare to find someone like Well again we've had you on to talk about your wife I talk about jazz as we have done and I thought just for a minute we might update people because we have of course chatted with you when your wife was still alive you course lost your wife but you are remarried and not only remarried but you've been up there in Alaska I'm going to be up in Alaska later this month so I always kind of see what the temperature is like where you are but I know that your new wife had a bit of a health care How is she doing now yes Kathleen's doing well he has her and we had unexpectedly have it replaced 2 weeks ago but we were able to get into Anchorage about normally an hour and a half drive I made it a little more quickly without getting a speeding ticket. He got in experts to help her real world class position and so it all went swimmingly well we felt that it. Oh by the Lord. You're good great let me just mention that we have a link to his website and a lot of people if they have one of his books know how to spell his last name but if you don't the good news is we have a link to to grow ties dot com also have links to various social media as well so you will find that in one of the articles I posted Doug was one that you wrote a while back called Francis Schaffer pastor of Angeles typology just profit so I was going to sort of use that to get into it but before we do let's just talk about the impact that franchise Shaffer had on you and me I'm with a group called probe ministries used to be with pro ministries and frankly I don't know if probe ministries would have existed without Francis Schaffer of the 2 of the founders of probe ministries had been reading the God who was there and some of the other books by Francis Schaffer felt that there was really a need for Christians to develop and articulate a biblical worldview and to do apologetics in the classroom and as a result certainly were very influenced by him when Francis Schaffer came to Dallas on 2 separate occasions Whatever happened to the human race and before that how should we then live probe was the sponsor of both of those groups of people that had worked with Francis Schaffer actually helped us put some of those conferences on we've had good ties to people like aws Guinness and others so he had a very profound impact on me and the organization I'm still with but I know that you talk about the fact that I think and was the fall of 1976 you picked up one of the books the God who was there and a University of Oregon bookstore and that was influential in your life as well wasn't it. Yes I was a young Christian at the time I just converted that summer and I think that this book with a very abstract cover I'd heard of Schaefer from a friend but I had not read the books that she had known me for some reason and I dug into that book and I found a Christianity that as I said in the article has backbone brain muscle guts and heart Schafer was a kind man compassionate he really cared about people who were lost whose worldview did not give them adequate answers for life or meaning for life and so he ranged over possibly theology poetry cinema and the book also the reading it recently is filled with personal anecdotes of where he was communicating the Christian faith on the leaders and you see this tremendous sensitivity and fellow feeling he had found believers so that folks really helped on what I wanted to do as a Christian I was 19 at the time and I just become a Christian I wasn't quite sure how to think as a Christian I got involved with philosophy my 1st year of college and read the various philosophers and also studied you certain religions and I even attempted to be an atheist for a time because reading Freud in nature and Marx the great atheist thinkers and in the 19th the 20th century. Shaper really gave me a framework to fill in or you might say gave me a foundation to build from and I think it was to get my jazz reference right I think it was. Without our. Own social or moral. Let's take a break going come back to me my dear even mention some other people have been on this program by Nancy Pearcey eyes Guinness and John Whitehead course all of those of us having the conversation we recognize this may be a generation that knows not Schafer we're going to clarify that just as we've done in previous programs talking about people like c.s. Lewis will continue our conversation about French Schaefer right after this. To. Home schooling. Through a Christian worldview. Today I'm continuing to speak with Amanda alsa won't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself and your family I was homeschooled since kindergarten all the way up until I graduated when I was 17 and immediately in the fall I started heading Liberty University my family also homeschooled my younger sister as well as my younger brother Ok so how do you feel like your recent education your time in college especially you write a Christian college liberty is just you know well known as a place home schoolers like to attend How did you find that university strengthen your faith or not well liberty and particularly like you mentioned it is a Christian school and so they have a complication which is I tend to try weekly and they have religious speakers there and there's a worship service before each speaker so you're surrounded by students who really are the Lord's strength consistently throughout the years and there was a noticeable difference when I 1st got there so is this something that was mandatory or optional it depends so if you lived on campus it was mandatory if you lived off campus however it was optional and it looks kind of organizations or students putting together voluntarily spiritual activities or things that strengthen them volunteer things like that so there's mandatory volunteer hours that liberty requires though each student has to perform 20 hours of community service to be to the mass there but outside of that the student body as a whole was very active in the community in particular volunteered with the Red Cross I mean also did a lot of. 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You are listening to point of view your listener support source for truth it takes with us today as we talk about Francis Schaffer in particular one of the articles we've posted here Francis Schaefer pastor of Angelus topologist prophet and let's see if we can Doug maybe get some conversation going about his pastoral ministry because in some respects he was an individual that might have just stayed in the United States but at one point his denomination request that he go to Europe to investigate the Church and as a pastor began the idea of actually having a place over there in Switzerland just in Switzerland so I have an understanding of kind of where he was and that would provide an opportunity for people that had skepticism and doubt maybe those who were on a seekers and so out of that a little ministry it became a worldwide ministry out of La Brea tells the rest of the story as you might. Yes so ever was asked when years in the United States and during that time he and his wife media other exceptional Christian started a ministry called shoulder for Christ. Efforts a curriculum that's the news around the world. The group that wanted to ensure that's the gate state of the church in Europe after World War 2 so sacred went there and observe various interviews and so on and. Concerned that you know as family should go to Europe sensually shaker reluctantly left particular on the mentalist group that he was where. They started there's agreement it's. Very means charter and their basic role is simply no place. And I doubt. Exercise hospitality and shaker was a very thoughtful person who's about. Truth individuals and their culture. Where history art and so on and all this. Very organic. In terms of. What brings scriptures and one of the things I think is kind of interesting is when you read his books they you sort of hearing speaking because in some respects what they did was take some of those tapes again from my young listeners here we stand things called cassettes and cassette tapes and they would transcribe some of those ideas and so you could actually even if you had access to those cassettes or something like that listening into the conversation but his books really allowed you to sort of listen in to the kind of questions that people were asking in his attempt to try to pull all of that together in a comprehensive world view. Yes books have a conversational sense to them they're not fuzzy there was nothing in this now. But you were quite a relational and. Says that that Schaefer was the best one on one evangelist and apologist that he was. In town and in fact you said his books pale in comparison to what he would do sitting down and talking with a person and sitting down and having a discussion with a group of people so there's a real worry about what it's not. Sent And so it's I think it's the heart of the Lord that she was traded to the world. And one of things you mentioned is say he is not only cursory we talked about this article pastor of Angelus apologist prophet but you kind of got into that idea of an evangelist I was going to said he is kind of one of the best one to one evangelist and yet when we think of evangelism today we think of steps to peace with God for spiritual laws whatever it might be the Roman road the 3 circles those kinds of things this was in a sense what he sometimes referred to as prevent journalism and I'd love to have you address that for just a minute because there was a time not so long ago where most people had even if nothing else a remnant of the Christian worldview so you could kind of assume that people believed in truth they believed that there probably is a God they may have know something about Jesus they may know something about the Bible but Francis Schaffer I think is the 1st person to help us understand that this is a very different world that we find ourselves in now which is why he called it preventing journalism and the example I sometimes like to use as an x. 13 when Paul's in the synagogue he can assume all sorts of things that to his Jewish listeners understand but when he we find him an x. 17 in Athens Mars Hill he can't really assume much of anything and Francis Schaeffer I think helped a lot of us understand that if you just use kind of the standard way we used to do evangelism say a century ago that standard way in which we did evangelism presuppose that your listeners would actually understand some of those concepts and I think this is why he was so effective at recognizing I got to meet people where they are defined terms understand what is kind of their hang up understand what's important to them and then in the process share the Good News How would you respond to that. Well it is yes and Amen you really you know what he wanted to do he realized we needed to make Christian truth understandable knowable people who are not very familiar with . Had false understanding of Christianity one of Shavers passions was to challenge what's called. A belief in the Christian truths had no support from reason or evidence you simply believe that and you could not in any way verify it and he talks about verifiable facts and knowing the God he was there and we need to emphasize the truth is objective Christianity is true in the sense that God is in fact there that's what makes the Bible through that's what makes our faith significant is that we are believing the truth that God is there that God has revealed Himself in nature in Scripture and in price but in many cases you have to start pretty far back so if someone says I think truth is whatever gives me a personal sense of meaning we have to challenge that concept of truth before we get to Christianity as the truth. Shaper says the Gospel doesn't start with. That's nice and. Really. The Gospel starts in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth yes much you have a strong understanding of the distinction between. That personal Creator I know personal creation. You can get to 1st base in terms of vandalism and conversion and I just mention too that a book that I highly recommend all the time is your book Truth decay which really gets into this idea of postmodernism because as you know we have people saying well you have your view of truth and I have my view of truth and somebody else has a different view truth and we'll all just to hold hands and sing Kumbaya and there's really no need for us to believe in absolute truth and you take that issue of applying your thought issue begin to take it apart in a biblical sort of way and that's kind of key because if you don't start with some kind of basic assumptions about truth about evidence about the reality of the world it's going to be a kind of a tough slog if you're going to be involved in any kind of evangelism Well that's certainly the case and I think of one of hers sacred yet a number of he talked about. Yes well what he meant by that was a check or a statement is true if and only if corresponds to reality and I think well it's not obvious. It's not off. Or at and we need to clarify just what Christianity is claiming it's not a story or something that gives meaning to groups of people that. Would say the final screen of reality is infinite personal god. There. Is a God who speaks to us but I. Got one of those. Stream a significant cliche grew because he was on much of it much of that and the hippie culture of the counterculture and there was this tremendous problem of communication how do we know anything about other people. What happens after we blow our might really have anything to say at all and save for a static God is a god. Communicate with each other and God has indicated. We don't have. A goalie and on Ray's. Religious experience we know who God is the only truth about God We cannot. Because. There are relational and then in his book he is there he is not silent was certainly another aspect of that let's take a break we'll come back and again we also talk about Francis Schaffer as an apologist and a prophet and certainly that is another aspect but if you'd like to join us perhaps you have heard the name Francis Shaffer maybe he has had an influence in your life as well but love to hear from you 180-351-1212 if you'd like to join the conversation today was Dr Doug over Tice but also let me just mention we have a link to Douglas Crowe Tice dot com and you can find that on our website and be right back. 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Maybe every day or sation day was Dr Douglas Boone Tyson if you would like to join our conversation 180-351-1212 talk about Francis Schaffer next hour we're going to have a chance to hear from Alex Kendrick of for a little bit about this new movie overcomer and then we'll get into of course the shootings that have taken place over the weekend of course that will probably dominate a lot of our conversation this week so there's no rush in trying to get to all of that but we will certainly try to cover those issues and I might just mention We've posted a couple of articles about the shootings about the so-called contagion effect and if I can I'm also going to try to disk deal with and maybe set aside a couple of the false statements that have been made in the media in that regard I'd like to know more about Douglas Crowe ties you go to Douglas Crowe ties dot com We have a link on the website so I don't even have to know how to spell his name he will find again all sorts of books and publications reviews articles media and the rest and so please take the time to visit our website point of view dot net one of the articles we posted French's Schaefer pastor of angels typology prophet Let's talk about apologist you know when we talk about apologetics when we talk about defending the Christian faith oftentimes we're talking about evidence and the Bible Dr Shafer spent some time really helping us understand how culture and world view come together a member of Charles Thaxton Dr Charles Texan said the 1st time he read one of those books about the flow of Western culture he said if this is true this changes everything and it really does and even in your article here he used to use the example of John Cage and many of the other examples for. In music and history and today I have noticed Doug when you go to the classrooms of many of these Christian schools that teach a classical Christian education they have a time line they'll spend a fair amount of time talking about some of these Aires of history art music and the rest and I think at least part of that is if nothing else something that was a result of the good work that Frenchy Shaffer did in some of his writings early on and even in his seminal book how should we then live. The right shape or were concerned. With a pretty broad brush. Some of that stuff that off he said about Thomas Aquinas for example However he was able to start a rich culture especially. Secularization the loss of. Ideas that culture in terms. Of. Arts general culture. Was. A value a. Test. Bed of idea of. Contradiction That's right something is true it has a country reality. You have to match reality. Open the verification process. He is leading a life. If you have a worldview in which there is no meaning or to act as if there were need to go against reality then it will be used very satisfactory So you mentioned John Cage asked people don't know if in the. Composer really rather when it was taken some ways he tried to compose music on the basis of chance to try to get these human element out of the way so he would use that he changed the Chinese if a nation was for the change to quote unquote compose music but there is a long article on John Cage years ago I think it was in the New York this where it emphasized that cage was a amateur mycologist that is he is an expert on mushrooms and he said if I applied my chance last mushrooms I would quickly die so when you get to mushrooms you've got to figure out who 1st. What's going to taste good and what's going to kill me in fact let's say it's good might kill you so you've got to know the distinction between what is personal and what is poisonous but when he was composing music he tried to do that how to window he tried to get rid of personality and one of the strong themes in Chase's work is that God is infinite personal and try you see it shape it talks about personality at the high level of the Trinity God is One God in true persons Father Son and Holy Spirit and they have eternal interrelationship perfect love and that's the basis for love and unity in the world so when someone like a John Cage or someone else. Tries to be a human being and create wealth flowing out personality with ease and hope very likely and very damaging but Sharon was never someone to web someone's nose their meaninglessness he had concerns and that compassion and I guess was a couple years ago I went to see. An art gallery and the artist was displaying work which combined with worth an industrial machines it was very odd and I was able to. Get a little bit of a look at their website and they also she was trying to use the same philosophy as John Cage she was trying to get her personality how the way when she created the sales obviously works works human being who was creating things but I really her a note on the web page saying that. She was a human being and she was using personalities and their personalities really basic is the universe I don't remember everything I said that it would shape his insights it gave me some common ground with this Christian artist and some people lead to God he's there and I think gruff never heard of John Cage Marcel Duchamp significant to know that these people historically can apply the categories of analysis that she produced to contemporary art and contemporary for the last is that. Nationally known. Globally known which is people in the artistic to your city . And one of the things I think is interesting is in his book he talked about taking the roof off because that was the idea of showing people the logical connections the logical outcome of their view if you take the roof off the rain comes in the same idea that he was say well if you believe in naturalism if you believe that nature is all that there is yet you say you believe that human life is sacred Well how do you because of naturalism is true if evolution is true then you're just a biological oddity you're a cosmic accident where do you get this idea of the sacredness of human life well we do is Christians because we believe were created in the image of God So he spent a fair amount of time really pointing out as you just pointed out a minute ago with China cage the contradictions of your world view and the argument you would make his is that a biblical world view if it's based upon the Bible and based upon God it's not going to have those contradictions that all the others actually do have but just before we take a break us talk about one other aspect of France or Schaffer and that is he made a distinction that we in the modern world often times separate the upper story that's faith from the lower story which is fact and logic and Nancy Pearcey has been on this program a number of times in the past talking about that but that's another issue where people today sort of even buy into that and you'll have individuals saying well you get that's a faith decision you can't exercise faith you can't tell me that you think this area of genetic engineering or abortion is wrong because we're just looking at facts and that's just another aspect of a legacy of French's Shaffer's when we come back I want to maybe talk about that and then of course that leads naturally into the 4th and final characteristic pastor of Vangelis topologist profits and he certainly was a prophet when he wrote of course his book Whatever happened to the human race as well as. Some of these other books are looking at some of the political issues and he really kind of could see from a distance the world that we find ourselves in today so again if you'd like to know a bit more about Francis Schaefer we have posted that the article that Doug grew Tice's written he'd like to know a little bit more about some of his articles and some of his books and other things those are all available I might commend to you a couple of those you know walking through twilight a wife's illness is again just a powerful book and then one that he's referred to as one where he has a fair amount of humor in it philosophy and 7 sense sentences are kind of his opus is on Christian apologetics and then if you really want to understand anything about the new age movement and right now with Marianne Williamson being one of the most searched people on the Internet because of some of the things she's been saying in the Democratic debate you can certainly find some of the articles and the of various books written by Doug grow ties on the New Age movement and those are all available on his website and of course a lot of those are easily found in your bookstore or even on some of the online book store sites but let's take a break we'll continue our conversation with Douglas Cochise right after this. 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Back to point of view your listener supported source for truth etc School Ties with us for a few more minutes and again Douglas if we can maybe talk about this dichotomy between the upper story and lower story as I mentioned before Nancy Pearcey Chris overmen and others have been on the program talking about this and I think almost anybody can relate to this this idea that we almost sort of put anything having to be in faith in the upper story everything having to do with their lives in the lower story and I think that explains a lot of why we have individuals that sort of look like Christians on in church on Sunday but they don't look like Christians when they go into the workforce when they go in the political realm when they don't actually take their Christian worldview out into the world is that fair. And so on the life. Some people think that matters they. Are internally different in matters that could be argued for so if you have faith in something then that means there is no historical or scientific support or psychological support for it then Shiva said that's a false dichotomy you do is. We should have Christ at the center of our world view is there's a circle of knowledge and we gain knowledge from Scripture we gain knowledge from science from history from our own lives then all of those folks here there is a unity of truth so I'm even a bit reluctant sometimes to use the word safe in a non-Christian setting yes because she felt tend to think a belief that is not supported by reason. Then why bring faith into the marketplace of ideas when it can't be supported so I'd rather talk about these claims and the evidence and support the truth claims and when we enter the marketplace of ideas we enter the political situation let's say on the pro-life issue we didn't leave since July we think human beings have value and significance and we are just say well my saying. That an unborn then has value we can give arguments based on sound principles course we can give arguments for the whole worldview and once we've established that then with Scripture says. In which s. On people but the real issue is truth do we have a knowledge of the way the world is can we back up what we believe. They. Said. Well. We're arguing with. A naturalistic. Rationalists law argue that. Christianity is a public issue not simply a matter. They certainly. Worship prayer. The language we use in the church and so on but we need to communicate all this to the broader world because the sacred said over and over again the Lordship of Christ. Christ there's a whole of life. Equal let me just real quickly before we run out of time talk about his role as a prophet in when you read some of the later works whatever happened to human race certainly very relevant even earlier that how should we then live in of course his Christian Manifesto he saw a lot of this coming and as a result it is important for us to recognize that not only do we observe what is happening in the culture but we have to give a prophetic announcement and judgment to what is happening in the culture that certainly the number of things that I know you've done and certainly what we try to do here on point of view about that role prophet was very key especially in the latter years for Francis Schaffer wasn't it was. Earlier. Really a reflection on passages in Jeremiah. Roman without God and of life. Actually that's everywhere so we need to be able to speak the truth. It's the truth and love and do so from an informed and compassionate perspective but there's an old phrase that I think should be very powerful for Christians and that is speaking truth to power and we want to speak to find the authorized truth about the value of human life with we're talking about the unborn or innocent people in a shopping center about immigrants or those towards the end of their life or those who are handicapped and want to speak the truth and a lot of that they can be as a human person before God and where we see in dignity and dehumanization we need to speak out and there's a place for reasoned argument as I said Schaefer was masterful at that but in some cases we simply have to pronounce that certain things are evil and wrong and we need to change so a prophet has backed the prophet doesn't have to yell prophet has insights and a prophet can also see the direction that things are moving. I guess now. How many years after Schaefer did I died 1000 need or. So much of what he was concerned about especially of. Course and. Nature. And also his concerns. Only more minimizing. Concerns certainly. Major issues. There's a lot. Higher to in many cases I once. Again we've been talking with Douglas Crow types if you'd like to know more about him Douglas Crow ties dot com This article is one of the articles we post I think it's a 3rd article on our website and it takes about 5 pages of your printer to print out but I would encourage you to read it and to educate yourself on that and for some of you young people that say I never even heard of this individual you can see the profound impact that he has had on not only our lives around the table here but some of the other individuals like I was Guinness and Nancy Pearcey and John Whitehead and others that have been on the program with us so if you want to understand where these ideas come from and how we've used those in a vandalism apologetics and giving a prophetic witness I think you want to read that article so Doug thank you for joining us once again here on point if you look forward to talking with you again about some of the other books that you have written in other books you plan to be writing so thank you for joining us today here on point of view you're welcome thank you we're going to take a break and when we come back for trial going to chat for just a few minutes with Alex Kendrick you may be familiar with the Kendrick brothers I mean I can't imagine that you're not about war room courageous fireproof Facing the Giants just to mention a few new movie out called overcomer so I thought it would be good for you to know a little bit about that movie because we always want you to have access to really good resources and again an opportunity for you to go to the movie theater go to that movie send a signal to Hollywood we're looking for more of these faith friendly fare. A friendly movie so we'll talk with him for a few minutes and then we'll get into of course the fact that 30 people have died in mass shootings both in Texas and Ohio when you add to it of course even what happened in California we've got a crisis on our hands we're going to talk about what that means one of our articles is kind of a summary of the shootings another on the contagion effect and then before it's all through I want to spend a little bit of time of critiquing and maybe dismissing a couple of facts and figures that aren't facts and really need to be re-evaluated So that's one of the things that we're going to do in the next hour of course is the sun will be talked about for much of the week so I didn't feel the need to try to get to it right away but we're going to come back and of course if you have comments about the statements by the president about gun control about the circumstances that the young people found themselves in why is this happening that's all fair game so let's take a break we will get into all of that right after these important messages. That reason no more dangerous time then when things are going well remember Olajuwon Mount Carmel fire came down there was no doubt who was God but what happened next he went from amazing faith to a time of great fear and depression many Christians have been very thankful a certain Democratic candidate for president was not the one to nominate to replacements for the Supreme Court but as with the Lycia times of great victory are also times of great danger moments like this are not the time to take it easy this is not the time to let our guard down this is a time to double down on our work in the community to serve and pray and plan and invest in a better future this is the time to join point. The View's Truth Team 360 to make sure today's promising gains are not lost tomorrow show your commitment to our future by visiting point of view dot net slash team or call 803475151 asked to join the truth team point of view dot net slash team and 803475151. Point of View will continue after this. 5 former u.s. Presidents have birthdays in August the oldest being Benjamin Harrison followed by Herbert Hoover Lyndon Johnson Bill Clinton and Barack Obama the personal reading . By Museum of the Bible. C.c. Stock to. Livingston. Or a new stroke in Dayton Ohio police chief Richard Mills says police aren't sure if they can gunman Connor bats shot his own sister on purpose it seems to be just the 5 believe ability would shoot his own sister it's also hard to believe that he didn't recognize that was. Killed her and 8 other people police say he was fatally shot by officers within 30 seconds they'll pass out shooting suspects family is speaking out the El Paso gunman opened fire on Walmart shoppers Saturday morning killing and wounding dozens of people then stopped inexplicably say 21 year old Patrick crew. Surrendered and Police Chief Greg Allen says he's been talking the rules so forthcoming with information he basically didn't hold anything back and then asked to gators are focusing on whether this was a hate crime a racist anti immigrant screed was posted online shortly before the attack the suspects grandparents have issued a statement saying they are devastated and praying for the victims I'm read of all laid out a little past or shooting at 22 now also with us or News dot com president trouble edging out of China for manipulating its currency China has allowed its currency to fall to an 11 year low against the dollar and President Trump is accusing Beijing of currency manipulation he tweets that China has used currency manipulation to steal our businesses and factories hurt our jobs depress our workers' wages and harm our farmers prices the president blames the federal reserve for not taking action but the Treasury Department has declined to label China a currency manipulator great kludged the White House on Wall Street's short stocks remain sharply lower now the Dow is down 883 points in the past I call 319 this is I'm sorry news. 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