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Stations other contributors include Sierra Nevada Brewing Company family own dad operated and argued over since 1980 proud supporter of independent thought whether that's online over the air or in a bottle more at Sierra Nevada dot com. Thank you. It's politics with Amy Walter from the takeaway. And this week we're coming to you from the Motor City Detroit Michigan. The city host of the latest round of Democratic debates 20 candidates their campaign staff hundreds of reporters protesters at least one goat descended on the city why Detroit because Michigan. On Monday was named the winner in Michigan the last state to be awarded in the presidential election well down from suppressed way to the White House and into winning Michigan narrowly by 13000 votes started in McComb County Donald Trump was certified the winner in Michigan by more than 10000 votes clearly Michigan is going to become ground 0 for the campaign in the last 5 or 6 days he carries Michigan we're in for a very short night because of that point to be clear that Donald Trump will be the next president to Associated Press and n.b.c. Lose both called the state for the real state local if they're the sort of forgotten man or woman he talked about and here it is your speed Reagan Democrats well you might call. Them 10704 that's the number of votes Donald Trump won Michigan by in 2016 was also the 1st time since 1908 that a Republican carried the state and it was the slimmest margin in any state that went to trump and it shocked many Democrats especially those at the national level but there was at least one Democratic member of Congress who sounded a warning earlier that year Debbie Dingell congresswoman from the 12th district of Michigan I sat down with Congresswoman Dingell to answer the question we're tackling today what will it take for Democrats to win the battleground state of Michigan in 2020. We go back in time a little bit. I remember early in the 2016 cycle you were telling anybody who would listen which was about nobody. Well that Michigan was really in play and Trump could win here and the response you got was everybody thought it was crazy doesn't mean I'm not crazy now but I unfortunately was right and what made you think that what was happening when I am home I work my district I make I do it all year round so I try every weekend and I'm home every weekend to be in a union home to go to a farmers market now at this point I go to different coffee groups everywhere I go people were telling me that they would have a person pick me that Donald Trump cared about him that they didn't care that Democrats cared about him what really turned convince me I mean I was hearing that very early on you know everybody else I was crazy in by the way even before the primary. I thought Bernie when he had been in my district 10 times Clinton never walked into my district again I remember saying to several media I really think Bernie Sanders could win and they're like You're crazy and he didn't and I think it's I have good gut I listen to people I think more of us just need to listen to people and so how have those conversations gone as you're talking to people for the last year and what are we on with the we're over 3 years later centrally. I was at an arborist farmer's market last week and in a period of 5 minutes 1st woman came up to me and said Democrats are too timid you need to impeach him was very intense another woman walked up to me like right if she was leaving and for me and tell me Democrats need the President Trump alone and he was doing a good job and he was saving America and then the 3rd woman walked up and said You Democrats need to get off impeachment and get back to table top issues they're standing with 2 vendors from the front farmer's market and said and there is America. And that's what you're seeing now there are people that feel very intense some of the people that 3 years ago who I knew were going to go the other way are feeling very strongly you go down river it's an auto area there are a lot the plants down there their suppliers. They're supporting President Trump in our person got a lot of people supporting anybody but President but people are torn. What happened in 2018 though was that Democrats did really well up and down the ballot winning in places including And for Congress winning in places that the had it won before in the suburban districts so did that make you feel like maybe something had switched or was it just because it was a midterm and it will be different once the president's on the. I think it will be a different race because it is a presidential race I think a lot of people I remember right after President had been inaugurated I was in Ann Arbor at the women's rally 20000 people in just an Arbor Michigan started that day in Washington d.c. And ended up there in a woman came up to me and said I'm a lawyer I'm 64 yourself I've never been involved in politics in my life but I can't believe you know I'm a country and you have to tell me what to do not I think in many ways this election's going to come down to how women feel I think a lot of people were tired of partisan bickering they didn't think that their vote mattered and then vote to 3016 I think a lot of those same women came out we picked up 2 seats here in Michigan we have 5 women in the House delegation now but the presidential election year is different and how they're feeling about the governor how they're feeling about things in Washington will drive turnout and turnouts going to be key to 22020 and it seems as if the president is banking on the same turnout strategy he had in 2016 which is small town rural America. And still lose the suburbs still lose the cities but when can you do that and win in Michigan or does he need to be able to do more than that he only won by a little over 10000 votes whoever wins Michigan I think going to play and I would not predict right now who is going to win Michigan. It's. Every So at the Detroit to bed and it's great that people need to talk about urban issues but they also talk about. Democrats really. Congresswoman thank you for coming and talking with me. Congresswoman Debbie Dingell represents Michigan's 12th District. It wasn't just a listening problem for Democrats in Michigan in 2016 state Democrats here also blamed critical lack of organizing and party infrastructure. Was the chief operating officer of the Michigan Democratic Party at the time the mistake we made was that we sat back and waited for a presidential campaign to come in and set up shop and set something up in February 21000 Barnes was elected chair of the Michigan Democratic Party we met up this week in the lobby of the Westin book Cadillac in downtown Detroit we said that's never going to happen to us again and we started organizing in 27 to get ready 420-2020 not waiting any more for anyone wants to come in and make it happen. The other issue in 2016 was that the African-American vote dropped significantly in Michigan from 2012 there are a lot of theories about it one is that not having Barack Obama on the ticket was a very significant factor and then the other question was whether Hillary Clinton. Was motivating enough what do you say so I challenge the notion we the black community need a black candidate on the ballot to turn out to vote but we need a candidate to come see us. Learn about our issues ask questions about what's important to us and then speak to those issues we cannot show up in October and say please vote for me having not been there any time previous to that and that's the difference that we're trying to make this time is that we're working in those communities now to have conversations about the importance of 2020 and the issues that are important to us and we're going to continue that work without a candidate until there is a candidate who hopefully will take up the mantle and start having those numbers do you think that's what a lot of national Democrats are thinking is of course African-American it's going to turn out look at what Trump saying look at his language of his background right for a for a lot of people I think it really was how could you not turn out to vote against this guy but what you need to know about being black in America the things that trumpets was saying is so saying we hear him all the time that's not new might have been new to some other folks who were shocked to hear it coming out of a man running for president and continue to hear it coming out of the mouth of a president but these are the things that get shouted at us in the street all the time this is life in America for black folks so you need to ask more of us and give more to us and order to earn our vote not just expect us to come out and vote against someone as you're talking to Michigan Democrats as there is looking at this field of many many many many candidates. If you could sort of synthesize what they're looking for in their candidate as their nominee what would that be I wish I could synthesize it but I can tell you this we all want someone who listens to us with with open ears open eyes and open heart and who then takes what you hear from us and act on it we also want someone who has some sort of an urban agenda some sort of a rural agenda someone who can speak to the issues that are affecting all of us all over Michigan and a lot of these issues are the same they're the kitchen table issues it's about the economy it's about health care it's about infrastructure is about clean water so that your family has clean water to drink but these issues need to be sort of synthesized in a platform that says this is what I believe in this is what I will do as your president the president also is spending a lot of time in Michigan. What is your sense for how they see their path in Michigan again winning in Michigan again and how worried are you that they have a real past a winner here so they they no longer have a path to winning here because we're no longer asleep at the wheel we're going to fight for every vote we've already started that process we're going to keep it up but what they're going to do is try to divide us the thing that I know that they want to do is to divide Democrats and people of color from the white working class voters that everybody likes talk every pundit in the world those words roll off their mouths all the time and what I want us to do and I think we can and will is remind those voters that we are all being marginalized by this president his policies have done nothing to lift any of us up here in Michigan what was turnout like in Detroit itself and were you happy with where is the level I was very pleased with the turnout we were able to accomplish and in 28000 and Detroit we had staff on the ground early staff on the ground that is still on the ground doing the work a terrific team of volunteers all out there have been great. Stations with voters and we're just going to continue that work I think that the Clinton campaign had a plan it was a well crafted plan and they believed in it and I get that I've done that before I've been in that campaign but it was it was hard it was hard to be there in feel frankly powerless to do something about it is part of the reason we've built this program that we have now because I refuse to feel powerless again so now I have a party structure that allows me to know that I've got folks on the ground who are doing the work I know need to be done it's hard for me I've got to fundraise for myself to make it happen but it's important to me that we get it done because I don't ever want to feel powerless like that again will have on thank you so much for taking the time with me thanks for having me. Barnes is the chair of the Michigan Democratic Party. Up next a trip to the suburbs for some door knocking with Congresswoman. 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You're listening to politics. Take a. Drive an hour north of Detroit as we did then you hit the suburbs these areas have historically been held by Republicans until 2018 that year Democrats flipped 2 of these formerly g.o.p. Strongholds so I represent a suburban district in Michigan in southeastern Michigan Congresswoman Haley Stevens was one of those Democrats her district Michigan's 11th was carried by Trump in 2016 and Mitt Romney in 2012 it is home to the country's most robust automotive supply chain we've got great public schools that got communities like Troy and the phony and Canton and those comprise about 100000 people each and that's my biggest city and so those cities are places where people live they said their kids to school there are the great public schools there and also worked there I'm sorry Al Anon I go to school at the University of Michigan and arbor and I'm 22 we also caught up with the student and local organizer Sam all a man who was canvassing for the Democratic Party knocking on doors in Rochester just down the road from the district congresswoman Stevens represents Rochester also sits in one of those districts that Democrats flipped in 2018 Democrat Alyssa's lock and knocked off Republican Congressman Mike Bishop here it's also a district that trump carried in 2016 so I grew up right off of Adams road in Rochester sort of 2 minutes from where all the doors I've been knocking. All this door knocking this early in the campaign is meant to keep voters engaged after Democrats strong showing here in 2018 and the conversations tell the party a lot about what people care about a lot of the conversations people really do have those the dinner table issues I think is a you know my kids' education the public school system taxes I certainly spent a lot of time talking to people about some of those other bread and butter issues that I think were taken for granted one health care and the cost of health care right behind that education focusing on these so-called bread and butter issues Stephen says was how she was able to turn a red district blue just because someone is voting a certain way it's got a certain allegiance doesn't mean you need to discount them in fact if we look back to 2016 I think we lost sight of why people are voting a certain way that that understanding and if we don't understand that you're probably not on the trajectory to winning How would you what do you mean by that when he said we lost sight of why people are voting and you know I think about some of the conversations I had with people in this isn't the punditry your news articles and I don't like that but this is you know what have friends who are saying. Gosh I cashed people who vote for Donald Trump are so outrageous are they just be totally discounting them as people and saying hurtful hateful things he think about it whoa whoa whoa these are people I know who are voting for John Trump These are family members so let me take a minute. Why they're voting that way let me take a minute to listen and it's never that I'm mollifying my standpoints or my issues I took a really bold stance on gun violence early on in my campaign in 2017 I think I didn't lose voters because I took that stance I gave them my conviction and I actually think that's the real litmus here and we can see this within our caucus is capturing the conviction of our elected officials understanding what that is that motivates them so that I can accomplish what I want to do I want to continue to see us develop new policies that meet the charge of the timing I'm not going to do that through hatred Amy We're here in Detroit for the Democratic debate plural. I want to get your perspective on what you've seen coming from the candidates thus far there are a number of Democrats that I've been talking to especially those who are working in districts that are a lot like yours their former Republican districts especially suburban districts and they're worried that on the debate stage the candidates are moving were moving too far to the left on issues like immigration like health care that for their districts those issues are really problematic and could lose those seats the ones like Miss I'm really applying to what I call the Kentucky Derby of presidential races going on right now with so many people running is really this economic issue I think who can own the economic message and I believe it is right for our taking because not enough has been done by this current administration and certainly for the 2 years when it was a Republican supermajority to advocate an advance for our middle class and. We saw that missing as I previously sad with our tax bill received now with public education and I certainly am going to talking about manufacturing talking blue in the face but I also think it's a values conversation and it's a values conversation about our economy and who has access to resources and who can afford higher education and who can go on to that apprenticeship or training program and feel valued for those technical skills in the talent that they bring but we got to keep peeling back we've got to get in the neighborhoods and see who's having success and who's not accessing that success I know some of these individuals they have been left out why variety of reasons policies that have disadvantage them stigmas as as well as changing dynamics of the economy that haven't been champion but do you worry that Democrats instead of talking about the economy have been spending too much time talking about Medicare for all free college you know I think a lot of times you get in these big races and there are so many people running you know you're looking for that attention you know you're looking for that differentiator and look I'm not a pollster so I haven't been seen all the focus groups and what everyone's talking about and what your focus group is your district took exactly I got a great focus group in my got a great focus group in my district and I don't think we need to over think it was a trap that we fall into a lot of times in national politics we've got tap into that inner core message I don't really know if we need to be in search of the heart and soul of the Democratic Party right now because we know what it is we know what we want to do for people and who we're going to be advantaging and prioritizing and the government that we want to lead we know that we cannot take. Another 4 years of Donald Trump and we have got to win in 2020 full stop. Thank you so much for taking the time and speaking with me thank you this was also . After the break my conversation with Governor Gretchen Whitmer on the politics of pragmatism I'm a stickler. For the take away come from Babble teaching new languages with the space repetition method daily 10 to 15 minute lessons using simulated conversations that are voiced by native speakers babble. Dot com. In 729 more of the takeaway in just a minute. Streaming radio. At 8 this evening. At 9 by Science Friday we get support from the California Health Care Foundation helping low income Californians get the health care they need on the web. Travels destinations join us as we visit some of Europe's most elegant art museums . Renowned wineries and famed classical music concerts cap radio slash travel. Continues now. It's politics with Amy Walter on the take away 2018 was a great year for Democrats in Michigan we just heard from Congresswoman Haley Stevens whose district was one of 2 that flipped from red to blue the state's top 3 offices also went to Democrats Democratic women to be exact on Wednesday after the 1st night of the debates I sat down with one of them Governor Gretchen Whitmer with Moran and 2018 as a progressive pragmatist her campaign slogan was a big. Role I asked her for her impressions of the 1st round of the debates I was really pleased to see such a robust debate around health care I am was pleased that toward the end of the debate there was a lot more conversation around you know things like infrastructure and that's really important our education system in the United States is struggling compared to the rest of the world and I think that's something that as a fundamental that families around their dinner tables when they put their kids about it are stressed about in communities across Michigan were underfunding were kids who need wrap around supports aren't getting them and the skills gap as it's a homeland security issue but it's also that economic issue that really tells you of people can take care of themselves and their families and that's where the anxiety of the American people is and that's why we got to address it in your victory in 2018 said look we we ignored Trump and the tweets and all the nonsense coming out of Washington and focused on obviously infrastructure but he's going to be a little bit harder a lot harder if you were running for president if you're running against Donald Trump. Is it fair to say you can ignore those things and just focus on the fundamentals or do you need to actually address a lot of the things that he's saying and doing even though some of them come through a tweet Well I think because the nature of the match up they're going to have to address some of it and I believe that it is important to call it out when the president has such destructive tweets that are attacking Americans that are attacking American city we need to call it out but we can't let that suck up all of the energy and air in the room and that's why I say yeah we should take it on address it but then get back to the things that really matter to the people of our country because that's what they vote on I think this is such a important election and 2018 the lesson I think was that people understand they can't not engage in politics as as ugly and tough as it can be not voting is make taking a stand and you might not be able live with the consequences and that's kind of the reaction to 2016 and I believe that's why we had historic turnout in 18 and I won by more votes than any person had ever run for governor in Michigan had but this is I think our our challenge to keep people focused on what the consequences are in the selection and what could be if we get the right person in the White House well that's a question to a lot of Democrats are asking themselves you won a Democratic primary as the the sort of pragmatist against candidates who are advocating for more bold or progressive. Agenda there are a lot of progressives who say if you don't energize that those voices those folks who stayed home in 2016 because they felt like Democrats weren't bold enough. That's never going to happen what do you say to them so well you know I was the stalwart progressive during my time in the legislature and I know how to get things done and it's not a choice whether or not you're progressive or you know how to deliver I think but that's what I really struck the balance between I had a couple of fellow progressives in my primary and they you know tried to position it that way but the fact of the matter is all the values and positions in the world don't mean a whole lot if you can't execute and I think that's what I'm hoping that our candidates don't abandon their progressive values but also focus on how are you going to get it done the people of our country the people of my state want. Thoughtful leaders who can actually deliver and I think that at the end of the day is what changes election behavior thank you so much thank you that was Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer. We were. Dr Abdul El Sayed ram to the left of what Maher in the Democratic primary he was indoors by Bernie Sanders and by then candidate Alexandria Ocasio Cortez like Sanders he ran on a platform of single payer health care to Asian free college for lower income students and ridding corporate money from politics he characterized Whitmer as a status quo politician who was benefiting from her ties to the health insurance industry in many ways the race reflected the current tension within the Democratic nomination fight today given that he lost the primary I asked Dr El Saeed whether there was enough appetite for big ambitious policy proposals even among Democratic primary voters Well don't forget Bernie won his primary in Michigan to a 60 a b You know it's very clear that if I was running in the same light lane as someone else we split votes especially for running on the same message see you know in some respects I was asking people to take a lot of bets when I kicked off my campaign I was 32 years old I had never run for office in my life and I and you know unabashedly and unapologetically every American Muslim I believe deeply in the meritocracy as you know young person of color but it was the 1st time that my belief in the meritocracy was shaken our political system right now is so rigged and it was like playing on a playing field where every time you score a goal there's a point on the other team on the scoreboard but it's also the reason why we all have to be invested in the system it's easy to take your ball and go home it's easy to say well look this thing is so broken so we might as well just give up because that's exactly what the folks who are trying to break it want you to do and I refuse to do that you also went and not only endorsed your Democratic opponent but you campaigned with her and campaign for her even. Though you do as he said he thought that the system itself was broken so why do that well look at the alternative. Well not of people do look at the chair and say I don't care and they move on I'm not a bitter person by nature and I guess the minute I get too bitter is the minute that. I might as well just walk away I hope never to be that person. Doesn't mean that I don't have very serious questions about some of the choices that are being made with the state but that doesn't mean that I do believe that every day she's making a better set of decisions on a set of values that are closer to my own than would have been with a governor Bill shooty and so to me it was just a rational decision. But the work still has to continue and I told her when I endorsed her I told her I will endorse you today and from now until November I'll do everything I can to see you elected and the day after the election I will be right back to where I was trying to hold you accountable for the people that I serve. And are you engaged in the 2020 Democratic primary have you endorse someone do you plan on campaigning for someone or helping someone here you know I haven't endorsed. I'm a lot more interested right now in Harvick aiding the approach to politics I think we need to take which is bold and principled and focused on real solutions we cannot continue to allow our collective insecurities about the future preclude us from doing the things that we need to do to actually solve the problems that we face you know I don't know if I'll make an endorsement but certainly certainly after the primary is over I will be all in on making sure that that we elect whoever the nominee is and hopefully it's a nominee who carries those bold ideas right and so even if it's a candidate who isn't necessarily as bold as you would like I think you know that the imminent danger of another 4 years of Donald Trump implies that you know at this point we have a real responsibility but again I don't want to I don't want us to fall into thinking that it's just about electing somebody who's not and you think that's what Democrats are doing right now as voters they're more focused on beating Donald Trump than they are doing the riskier stuff which is to make as you would argue more fundamental structural risky change my fear is that in trying to do that we lose the entire project because because you're not going to be Donald Trump by telling everybody how bad Donald Trump is we really tried that you know going to be Donald Trump by being the most electable person in in American history to be honest if we try to do that again we will lose focus on telling people what you want to do to empower them in their lives and you will also be done Dr Abdullah Saeed is a progressive activist he's the former health commissioner for the city of Detroit . 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Public Radio International in collaboration with w g h radio in Boston Home Counties It's just north of the city of Detroit drive along Van Dyke and you passed the sprawling auto plants of Ford and Chrysler Obama carried McComb County in 2008 in 2012 but Trump took it in 2016 last week Congressman Paul Mitchell who represents part of McComb County announced he will be retiring his district which also includes rural areas north of the county is strongly Republican Trump won here by 30 points but just because his seat was safe didn't mean Mitchell was happy to remain and it would appear is to me that rhetoric overwhelms policy and politics consumes much of the oxygen in this city prior to his retirement Congressman Mitchell had publicly criticized President Trump's tweet telling 4 Democratic congresswoman to quote go back where they came from so I asked Congressman Michel if that tweet had anything to do with his retirement 1st I considered for a while I wasn't happy with the tweet because I felt it. It was something he said this bill go below effective leadership and I expressed it fair to try to express that to people in the White House I have to be on c.n.n. To do a media thing with Anderson Cooper. And Mr Fox go on the chance started send them back. And then that Thursday night we flew down the border we did a tour the whole day of rioting of sights and talk to an awful lot of people to come across the border talk with a border agent number 2 in charge of the district that region. Was well past when it could be tires here and after a mandatory retirement and asked him what he needed last thing he said was your members of Congress please fix this. So then Chuck Schumer's didn't put out Same time same location says kind of we overlapped he finishes up his visit he goes out and does a press conference where he talks like I'm just certain he may. Deplorable and blames any administration Well 1st it was an intermeeting to poor Bill it's not a card spot it's tragic conditions it's tough some of the refugees is huge problems . But instead of talking about his commitment to solve the problem he looked for someone to blame it on if we can rise in leadership to a better level and that we are kidding ourselves so you put that week together and I ask myself why am I literally I mean seriously sacrificing tired my 9 year old that I promised I'd be a dad be adopted from Russia 7 half years ago and I promised I'd be home be a dad for him why my trading off valuable time doing that to listen to that kind of lack of concern are major issues. I could spend 66 year more years hoping that somehow we would as a body as a group decide we want to get a better America I sort of hope for one I will urge people to do that I will vote for one but I can't sit in d.c. And wrangle every every day every week open as a collectively we decide to solve a problem rather talk about it get elected on one so we're sitting here in the infamous McComb County Michigan known as the the bellwether county coal County is a great place yeah I know this is a county that it seems seems to go with where the direction of the country nationally is center here so talk to us a little bit about what people here think of the president what they think of the politics right now in Washington press has a great deal of support still McCone County I think is a great deal sports in the 10th congressional district there are more traps unemployment rate is down it's up a little bit right now in Michigan because the number of people in labor force has gone up. Employment Saddam people are making money wages are going up because more jobs created in Michigan in this district since President office then a very long time so talk about health care and specifically what your constituents here are talking about when they hear the term Health Care What does that mean for them well I think every Valls on the cost of health care it's a terrible situation to be in as a consumer as a as a user health care. Where system is structured is is poor for that anybody however that believes that the federal government will run your health care and it will get better I will point to V.A.'s being an amazing example and I'm not sure that logic follows I think those are things that impact people here and what about the issue of immigration is this a big concern up here and if so in what context. Well this. That's a complex question out here. There's a segment of the population that just. Hopes to ignore it all go away because they don't know what to do with it. There's a saying of the population that's impacted by it because of the wear their status and their Gratian. They're legally here but there have assistants are pit people trying to get legal status here waiting Meanwhile people crossing the border I think last month we detained 110000 people the southern border and I say detained loosely because most of term cells and. We had video more of the southern border their prices they crossed the river the common crossings that they put up signs. In Spanish with an arrow to tell people to cross go down the road here there's a border protect border station here a border they put a tent water refreshments they get some accompany them up so they don't wander around the brush and die. To talk to a young woman at the border who 17 years old she just come opponent she came up alone from Honduras. She was pregnant and she said to me she said I said you know are you doing Ok And she says who's going to be there despite the fact of detention . Why because. It's because at least in the interim there are better placed to get there where they came from and why she come well. She saw. A neighbor shot right after by gangs. No really come out of captivity and the guard was corrupt. Do a few Scout of her parents pay money to send their kids up to that trek. Unaccompanied. We're talking younger kids we're talking 101214 year olds. That's a level of desperation. We have as a nation failed to address our immigration system and left a system in place that it encourages that rather than allow the. Country provide the resources we provide here put it in those countries we can put facilities there to hold people while they're going to the process of right things we could do to make our immigration system make sense. That we have done. Well there because we use a talking point. But that's why. We need to be committed to do that even if. We're trying. Naming I'm Martin Jenkins thank you for joining us for the takeaway on cabaret Dio 90.9 Sacramento and 90.5 taco Reno your n.p.r. Station. Will get support from last year's Subaru and the Oak Grove auto mall love is bigger than ever with the new 2028 passenger ascent s.u.v. Featuring 3 row seating and up to 5000 pound telling Bassett Elk Grove Subaru dot com. The live local music scene is more vibrant and diverse than ever before with your jazz or classical fan or someone who enjoys country electronica or hip hop you'll find extensive sort of will and searchable listings a cap radio dot org slash events. Fresh air coming up at 8 o'clock following the takeaway here on listener supported caf radio. At 749. We just heard from one Michigan Republican about his experience in Congress I also checked in with a Republican who's been running campaigns in the state for years Jamie Rowe got his start working for Republican Governor John Engler Engler served for 3 terms as governor in the 1990 s. Spent a big chunk of his career with Republican Congresswoman Candice Miller Paul Mitchell's predecessor in the 10th District we sat down with Roe in his kitchen and McComb County and asked him what he thinks of the 2020 fight for the state our county is back in a big way you drive up and down all road Vandyke mound Road Show me a vacant store front Show me a man manufacturing facility that's now occupied with a help wanted sign out front because you're not going to find it if you find it give me the address because I will be shocked. The economy here is doing great in President Trump is kept his word on trade he's gotten the Canada Mexico deal done now it's up to Nancy Pelosi to pass it take a vote just take a vote bring it up and take the vote there's no reason to not take that well so Brianna if you want to vote no vote no but take that are in vote people here you have a lot of blue collar workers who are terribly negatively impacted by illegal immigration because it drives down wages and I think you also have here a county that built with people who are immigrants from you know eastern european from from communist countries from Poland from Albania from Italy from Continental is not communist nation but from Italy from other places like that who waited in line and came here legally in they don't like to see people violating the rules you know you want to be an American come here be an American but follow our rules to get here and the get tough on the border message sold very well here and I think it still does I mean if you take a poll it's the number one issue. Here in this county it would be the number one issue it's than it is the number one issue we did polling for Congressman Michel and it showed the border is the number one issue health care was number 2. Health care was number 2 but the border was securing the border was still the number one issue Yes So let's go to 2 districts that you know well outside of McComb go to those suburban districts that Democrats flipped do you think that there's a capacity then for trying to win those districts back again and Republicans to win those back I think there's absolutely possible that the president's going to going to win them back whether we win defeat the current members of Congress there is a different story when he can it's you know right now we don't have I don't think we have a candidate in the in either 8 or 11 at this point. That can do it one great thing about in different difference this year is I know that. 1st of all in order count to 270 President Trump pastor Michigan he cannot cannot do what Mitt Romney and John McCain did to us in parachute out here Mitt Romney in 2012 allegedly the Michigan guy. Didn't set foot in Michigan after the convention not one single time. In 2008 John McCain not only abandoned Michigan he announced he was abandoning Michigan which is the just killed us and present Trump will never do that he cannot do that if he wants to win he has to play in compete Michigan so when you see the polling that's out now in the state that both Sanders and Biden are up over Trump I like 8 points right points what do you say I think polls at this point in a campaign are meaningless quite honestly. And you know some of them that I've seen media pull I mean just Michigan media became based media polling done by the same pollsters who told me you know 3 weeks out from the election that Donald Trump is going to lose by 12 points in Michigan so I take it with a grain of salt I mean if it didn't meaning through Excel from the election and it means even less right now. I know this president put together a campaign is filling his war chest to get ready for it and he's got the the best. Teachers river had in running McDaniel who knows the state is well as anybody run I was of our state chairman in in 2016 Iran and never backed down in that campaign when everybody including her uncle were. Trying to force her into it man run and never back down that he's got a spine of steel and. Knows the state as well as anybody so I had another reason why I know that they will never give up. Yes What's your advice to those of us looking at polling in places like Michigan and now do you feel like there were lessons learned from twenty's 16 and that they're able to pick up the don't really matter pollsters all the time and I'll take this number one know that there's a hidden Trump vote. In every poll or people are afraid to express so with the Democrats that we've talked to since we've been here acknowledge that they took the state for granted and they're not making that mistake again so is what you're seeing that. You expect to see a more robust turnout then from Democrats now I don't I think everybody you know you know if you have the model the you have total war right World War 2 type of thing I think that we have that coming for 2020 I think and it's going to be on both sides so the Republican base is the same way about President Trump and it's one of things that hurt us in 2018 as well dump truck was on the ballot and there's a lot of people out there that in also a lot of people who support President Trump I think were disappointed in some Republicans that they didn't support him President Trump strong enough and that's a real test for our candidates now particularly for candidates running in a primary you better say that you support President Trump and not be afraid to to have his back. I think our party is. Is ready for that fight as well and we've had run I was in here this week with our chairman more Cox and they were they've been doing training of our volunteers all over the state right now in the vantage that we have is right folks enjoy watching I mean we're training volunteers we know who our candidate is and we're getting ready and we're getting trained up and we're hitting doors and doing all the things that you've got to do right now all for Donald Trump not for some candidate to be named later. Tomorrow thank you so much thank you welcome thank you for living as we have loved it and thank you for letting us hang out in your kitchen yeah it's nice is it is even clean. Before we close the show I wanted to give my take on the Democratic debates that happened earlier this week a lot of Democratic activist and insiders weren't happy with what they saw on Tuesday and Wednesday night they were frustrated and disheartened watching Democratic candidates bash each other instead of focusing their fire on President Trump looks like the political equivalent of a family therapy session I hear these complaints every election the party out of power worries that competitive and contentious primary debates leave their voters divided and the ultimate nominee bruised and battered but debates don't win or lose elections candidates do the candidate doesn't have a message that resonates with swing voters and also brings his or her party along for the ride even a great debate performance when the election there's something else to consider while Democrats spent much of the debate infighting and current front runner Joe Biden had a less than stellar performance they are getting some help from an unlikely source the president and more disciplined candidate would use the bully pulpit to keep the focus on where he's strongest the economy instead President Trump continues to use his bully pulpit to well bully with every. 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News in Washington I'm nor rom president picked to be director of National Intelligence Congressman John Radcliffe has withdrawn from consideration less than a week after Trump made the announcement as N.P.R.'s Tamara Keith reports this is just the latest example of the White House having to pull a plan nominee acting defense secretary Patrick Shanahan withdrew and stepped down after news reports about a violent incident involving his family to trump picks for the Federal Reserve pulled out amid questions about their pasts and qualifications and now there is Radcliffe whose qualifications were in doubt even among some Senate Republicans in light of this Trump was asked what it says about how the White House scrutinizes candidates the vetting process for the White House is very good but you're part of the vetting process you know I give out a name to the bras and they vet for me we save a lot of money that way asked a 2nd time Trump gave the same answer Tamara Keith n.p.r. News the White House former special counsel Robert Muller's Russia investigation cost a total of $32000000.00 N.P.R.'s Ryan Lucas has this breakdown of the cost from the Justice Department the Department says the final 8 months of Mahler's investigation into Russian interference in the $26000.00 election cost $6500000.00 That figure covers costs for the special counsel's office as well as Justice Department components that supported it that pushes the final total cost of the special Council's 22 month probe to $32000000.34 individuals were charged in the investigation team also secured guilty pleas or convictions from 7 people including President Trump's one time campaign chairman Paul Mann a fort Investigators however did not establish a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia and they did not make a decision one way or the other on whether the President obstructed justice Ryan Lucas n.p.r. News Washington more than half of House Democrats now support launching an inquiry . Into whether to impeach President Trump that threshold was passed today we hear more from n.p.r. Susan Davis California congressman Salut Carr ball is the 118th Democrat to come forward in favor of a formal impeachment inquiry a majority of House Democrats are now on record in support the symbolic milestone is not expected to budge Speaker Nancy Pelosi who continues to back ongoing congressional investigations but not impeachment N.P.R.'s Susan Davis Puerto Rico has a new governor veteran politician Pedrito Pierre Louis c. Was sworn in today after weeks of protest demanding the resignation of Gov Ricardo Roe say yo but this may not be the end of it the Senate is to vote next week and paralyse appointment to be secretary of state which made him next in line to be the governor p.-r. Luis a tall.