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And her daughter Hamilton who collaborated on her 2nd memoir called homework which was just published translated Emma is the daughter of the woman known for being the most perfect governesses imaginable Mary Poppins and Maria in The Sound of Music and his 1st memoir was about growing up in London when it was being bombed during World War 2 when the war was over she became part of her mother and step father's vaudeville act and went on tour with them eventually becoming the star of the act then it was on to Broadway where she starred in My Fair Lady and Camelot the new memoir which covers the years 1963 to 86 begins when she moved to Hollywood to start work on Mary Poppins just a few months after Emma was born in addition to describing her movie career she writes about her marriage to set and costume designer Toni Walton Emma's father and her 2nd marriage to Blake Edwards who directed several films including darling Lily The Pink Panther strikes again 10 and Victor Victoria. The book is also about being a mother to Emma the 2 children from Blake Edwards 1st marriage and the 2 Vietnamese children Andrews and Edwards adopted Emma Walton Hamilton has co-written 32 books with her mother mostly children's books along with her husband she co-founded the Bay Street Theater Company in Sag Harbor Long Island which he co-directed for 17 years Julie Andrews Emma Walton Hamilton welcome to both of you and congratulations on the book I really enjoyed it since the book begins Julie with you going to Hollywood to make Mary Poppins and I say it begins this is after the opening chapter in which you saw some of the 1st part of your life that you told in your 1st month so let's start with you go. Let's start with you going to Hollywood after Walt Disney saw you on Broadway in the musical Camelot he asked you to star in Mary Poppins but you had just gotten pregnant with Emma So what did you tell him. Well I told him just that Terry I said Oh Mr Disney it's wonderful and thank you so much for the invitation to come and hear the music and and see your wonderful designs and drawings but I'm afraid I'm pregnant and he said oh that's Ok I will wait and I didn't realize of course at the time having never made a movie and I'd been to Hollywood to visit but and only once worked there on a television show but certainly hadn't ever made a movie so I had no idea how long pre-production on the movie takes he said Ok we'll wait and he did and 9 months later or 10 months later when Emma was born we my 1st husband Tony Walton and I traveled to Hollywood and well welcomed into the heart of the Disney Studios and lovely people and couldn't have been more spoiled the amazing thing is that my husband at the time Tony Walton who was a designer was asked by Walt to bring his designs with him so he could see them and when he did see them he hired Tony on the spot to do the costumes and the interiors mostly of Mary Poppins the film talk about of phenomenal break for this married couple with a new baby and and the job for both of us was and Tony got a wonderful limb Academy Award nomination for that so how many months after you gave birth did you have to start rehearsing dance scenes. Well we did you know all the rehearsals for the choreography and for the recording they had to be done the songs and costumes had to be fitted it was about 3 months before we travelled to Hollywood and then about 4 new. 5 I think before we actually began shooting did your body feel ready because it's a very it's a very physical role also considering you were flying Yes well it didn't feel ready I mean having just had a baby it took me a while to get in shape by the way I felt I should be there was an enormous amount of action in every way I would you know work out every day and and of course the as I said they were the dances to learn which were pretty active and I didn't feel ready but I guess I was I want to ask you about the flying scenes it sounds it sounds as if it had to wear a harness for some of the flying scenes in the harness you're getting all kinds you know these days special effects like flying and so on is so much easier than they were in the days when I made Mary Poppins but I defy anyone to spot any of the tricks that Disney employed to make the movie in the special effects work yes there was a lot of flying sometimes as I was on a giant teeter totter as you call it a big seesaw sometimes I was at the top of a ladder and had clouds around me and many other things it was very interesting and old new to me but the flying harness was as you just said very painful you know I would be fairly high up in the studio and hanging around for quite a long time but it was pretty scary and thank heavens I was perfectly alright Emma let's bring you into the conversation do you remember the 1st time you saw your mother in Mary Poppins what I remember Terry one of my earliest memories is not actually seeing the film but being in. Department store in a children's clothing section of a department store and I think I was about 3 years old and it must have been right around the time the film came out because it took so long in post-production after the film was shot for them to finish all the special effects and so forth and the animation and I was with my nanny at the time and they had set up a display for Mary Poppins in the children's section of the department and they were all these life size cardboard cutouts of my mom and I remember pointing to them and saying look there's Mommy and then suddenly becoming aware of 2 women who were shopping in the department next to us saying to one another isn't that we that little girl thinks her mother is Mary Poppins. And I was like but but it but she is that's her that's my mom you know and I think that was the 1st time I understood that my mom's job was perhaps a little different the little public yeah this show is what was it like for you to know people who like worship your mother because of the movies I'm talking about when you were young when you were a child yourself and the thought of your mother as you know Maria in The Sound of Music or Mary Poppins in Mary Poppins as basically like the perfect governess who could like Sue the need child of being any child like see you know see the the silver lining of any cloud and and you know the need they knew how hard I was struggling to. Rise of Yeah yeah so so am I What was it like for you to see this like Hollywood version of you know your mother's role versus like what was really what was like in real life. Well it was it was challenging sometimes as as you can imagine a lot of times people would ask me questions or assume you know does she sing you to sleep at night and things like that you know it always baffled me No certainly not all those songs anyway you know one doesn't one doesn't generally bring one's work home if one can help it and so if she if when she sang to me it was usually you know English lullabies and Old English songs from vaudeville days that you know hark back to her youth and later we moved around a lot because of course because of her work taking her to various different parts of the world and so as a result I went to a number of different schools I think I went to about 7 different schools of the cross of the course of my childhood and that was interesting because I finally found that if people found out who my mother was they would tend to sort of want to be friends in order to get an invite over to the house kind of thing so I learned to hide behind the name Walton which was my Which is was my maiden name and is my father's name for as long as I possibly could so as to cultivate hopefully get some real friendships before any of the other stuff became that sour so I had relegation I didn't know it was it wasn't sad it was all you knew really yeah it just was what it was and the truth is mom was very very family as as people who read the book will see you know family means everything to her home and family hence the title of both memoirs having the word home in it. You know she was. Through and through at home and always made an effort to get up and make breakfast for us before school in the mornings even if she had a full day at the studio or was night shooting and you know really worked hard to create. Family routine and atmosphere at home that was real and normal and separate and apart from all the other stuff of Hollywood so it was a bit of a contrast to what people I think imagined and films episodic therefore you know there was a cute work sometimes and then some long periods between a movie when one was just home and being Mom did you feel Julie Andrews did you feel pressure to measure up to Mary Poppins and to Maria in the sense of that is it to be perfect to be a solution to your children's problems not a tool Terry and I'm far from that but but I did feel pressure to be as good a mum as I could because I was aware of that say other people in the business who had issues with family and wook and the children did suffer and I didn't want that I wanted just to be a family and of course it was doubly hard because sadly my 1st marriage ended Tony although with still great great friends and finally I remarried Blake Edwards the film director and I was making a new family as well but what was it like for you when 1st you had a blended family with 2 siblings from Blake Edwards 1st marriage and then 2 adopted children and. I mean let's face it there your mother's time was divided among more children. It was and my time was divided between both my parents as well so I were living on opposite coasts opposite coasts exactly or even I mean there were years when we were living in Europe and my father was in New York My father was always in New York and so I spent the school year with my mother and Blake and my my step brother and sister and then my younger sisters and all of this summer vacations and Christmas and Easter vacations and school breaks with my father and my stepmother and my step sister and they were very different households they were they were very different cultures they were in different cities and different communities and it was it was an interesting experience I found quite often that while I was traveling between homes on the airplane Let's say I would go through a process of in a way. Adapting myself into the daughter that I needed to be to fit into that I was it's not it's it's not painful it just was what it was it was like Ok now I have to be the daughter that is hip to New York and you know the theater scene and all of that and now I'm going back to California or I'm going to London or Switzerland and I have to adapt to being the other daughter the school based daughter in the daughter in the larger family and so forth it was it was interesting Ok let's take a short break here and then we'll talk some more if you're just joining us my guests are Julie Andrews and her daughter Emma Walton Hamilton they've collaborated on Julie Andrews 2nd memoir home work which begins with her Hollywood years we'll be right back this is Fresh Air. This is Rob Sosa bells blues. 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This is Fresh Air and if you're just joining us my guests are Julie Andrews and her daughter Emma Walton Hamilton they've collaborated on 32 books together mostly children's books but both of Julie Andrews memoirs her 2nd is her new one it's called home work and it's a memoir about her Hollywood years picking up where the 1st memoir left off so let's talk a little bit about The Sound of Music. So Julie Andrews you say when you saw the Sound of Music on Broadway with Mary Martin in the leading role. You thought it was a little saccharin. So when you've got the yeah what So when you got the offer. I'm sure you didn't think like great I'm going to do something really saccharin I'm sure you want to make some changes but you know this 1st tell us 1st what you thought was a little saccharin about the Broadway musical I think the music was lovely and Mary Martin starred in the in the musical on Broadway and it was very pleasant but it was a story that by itself it just stands there in a very saccharin way sometimes you know these 7 children and the beautiful countryside in the nuns and the religion and the love story it could be a little cloying and of course the movie itself was a joy to make and I believe I know in fact that Robert Wise director and crisp Lama the wonderful costar and all the people in the movie wanted to make it as stringent as possible because of their lives somewhat saccharin themes did you get a chance to talk to Rodgers or Hammerstein about the music no Oddly I did not although I did meet them in is very kindly and wonderfully wrote a version of Cindy. For me for television and I have some you know one of 2 wonderful Rogers memories and also have a stein separately but. By the time I made the sound of music. How much time was not well in in fact had passed away and it Rodgers was not well either so they didn't come out to Hollywood when we were filming the interiors there and didn't have a chance although I know that the producers were in touch I wasn't oh well tell us the Roger story that you do have. Well when I 1st met Rogers I auditioned for him in a in a empty theater I was in a Broadway show called the boyfriend the 1st time I'd ever been on Broadway. Sort of really. Green. Terrified young lady from England that had just arrived and I auditioned for a musical that they wrote called pipe dream and I belted out my aria for Mr Rogers who was sitting in the audience how much time wasn't there and it was completely empty theater and I was on stage with a lovely pianist who was accompanying me and Mr Rogers came up on stage and said The 1st thing he said after I'd sort of sung my highest notes and done all the color to Europe calisthenics that I could he said that was absolutely adequate and my heart sank and then he realized he was teasing me and I realized he was teasing me and he smiled and he said No I really enjoyed it have you been or dishing for anybody else and I said Oh yes I've or dition for 2 gentleman called Mr Lerner and Mr who are adapting a version of George been a choice Pygmalion for the stage and Rajah's paused a moment and said you know. If they ask you to do that show I think you should take it if you don't take it I wish you'd let us know because would very much like to use you and we love what you do and I thought it was one of the most generous things and of course I did except My Fair Lady which was the probably the greatest one of the greatest stepping stones in my very fortunate Korea and I will never forget the generosity of Mr Rogers expressing that he felt it would be better for me career wise to do that and pipe dream as it turns out was not one of the most successful musicals no hard and but it has a great song in it that you would have sung everybody has a home but me I can't remember it because I had a fals on the show. From I never did see it because of course I was busy working in My Fair Lady but actually during My Fair Lady was when they very kindly wrote Cinderella for me and I was standing in the wings of the television studio one day waiting it was taped live and probably went out to more people on that one night live than if I had performed My Fair Lady for 16 years in the theater more people would have seen it that one night which was very daunting but I was waiting in rehearsal and I was whistling because when I'm nervous I I do whistle and we went. We went on them camera of course I was just waiting for a set up and a voice behind me I happened to be whistling old things and I have no idea why a song called The last time I saw Paris and a voice behind me said you know I meant every word of that when I wrote it Mr Howe mistime was standing behind me just observing and I had no idea he was there and I said oh my sadness Ana I'm so sorry I had no idea you had written that song and you know me that I was and. He explained how he remembered Paris before the war and how it moved him when he went back off to the war to see the devastation and it was such an interesting conversation and lovely of him to share it and I'll never forget that moment my guests are Julie Andrews and her daughter Emma Walton Hamilton who collaborated with Andrew's on her new memoir homework about her Hollywood years we'll talk more after a break and we'll listen back to my 1992 interview with Danny Aiello He died last Thursday at age 86 he's probably best known for his role in Spike Lee's film do the right thing I'm Terry Gross and this is Fresh Air. The new buyer Family Foundation supports w.-h. . And its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful. Support for n.p.r. Comes from this station and from the n.p.r. Or every bottle tells a story and n.p.r. Shows become wines. Available to adults 21. 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And her daughter collaborated on Andrew's new memoir about her Hollywood which picks up where her 1st memoir left off the new book is called home. Julie Andrews you are a professional as a child you toured with your mother and stepfather in their vaudeville act. Your. Early years were during World War 2 and then you toured in their vaudeville act so you were and then you were making more money than they were and then you ended up you know you ended up being top billed in the act because you were such a great singer but you know you were working you were the earner in the family when you're when you're. A stage brat and I think one of the reasons I really enjoy it when I'm working because I've worked my and tie life I mean to the extent to the point where I really wasn't attending school I had to have a tutor that came and worked with me but I really I would love to have attended university and I had a very sort of rarified and Rather. Pitiful education in a way my mother said to me Oh you'll get a much better education from life out there and an extent I did but I was always scrambling to catch up on history or things that really fascinated me. Julie started psychoanalysis after you were in a committed relationship with Blake Edwards and I can remember after you were you were actually married but basically the way you described before when you started psychoanalysis is like a dam opened up I mean you just started like weeping. And I'm wondering if you felt you had to hold in a lot of feelings and just be strong and not show any vulnerability because one you grew up during the war years you were living in London during World War 2 when you were getting bombed all the time and you were going in and out of bomb shelters you were. Literally warning people when the planes were a child. And your child and you're touring with your parents. Vaudeville performing in the show must go on no matter what so did that kind of teach you to do just like hold everything in yes absolutely whatever it was that I'd been sort of being stiff upper lip about in my in my youth and I did take care of most of my family in every sense financially and and you know emotionally and because we were you know my stepfather was alcoholic and it was not an easy situation but well something else you had a home there a paid Yeah I mean another thing is and we talked about this during our 1st interview your stepfather. When he would get really drunk he could be abusive and he was drunk a lot and yes a couple of times he came into your bedroom and tried to kiss you didn't go further than that but that's. I don't know how yeah I mean whatever a measure of decency was left in him when he was you know drunk he he refrained from going any further but it was pretty scary and one it could have been just disastrous but to I was very fortunate in the sense that I survived all that but there was a lot that I needed to sort out in my head and the failure of my 1st marriage which hurt a lot and. I wasn't sure about anything and I was. The wonder is that my wonderful therapist suddenly realized that what I craved probably more than anything was an education and so being a girl in like personality he decided to give me one and I got. So many on says in terms of some of the things in life that I needed to learn and it was a phenomenal experience for me if I wanted to learn about astronomy or geology or or. Anything in life. You know history geography just I could ask any question and he would be able to answer it. So like Edwards became your husband but he also directed you in several films he directed you. S.o.b. It was a satire of Hollywood in 10 which was a romantic comedy Victor Victoria in which about midlife crisis and midlife crisis for the Man Yeah Victor Victoria which you played a woman impersonating a man in drag. You know also an aging a woman right and you have a great. Show stopping number in that but he saw you really differently than the preconception that people who lie of having me having me is a wife and sleeping together and being great we were married. For well we knew each other 44 years before he sadly passed away but he was. Somebody that knew me very very well and I think I knew him very well this was a marriage. That lasted and it was complicated and wonderful and quite magical at times and he was the most Mecurio talented attractive man and it was quite an experience to be married to Blake Edwards believe me but I mean just getting back to him directing you you were topless in one scene of one of his films. You know there's a lot of like you know. Gender. Well gender stuff helping I didn't get surveyed Loria So yeah it's a very daunting Terry when your husband says in a love scene that you're doing with your leading man on camera he says well that's fine doubling but I I know you can do it better. That's rather difficult in the film studio when you're filming it well let's take a short break here and then we'll talk some more if you're just joining us my guest is Julie Andrews and her daughter Emma Walton Hamilton They collaborated on the 2nd part of Julie Andrews memoirs this new book is called Home Work a memoir of my Hollywood years we'll be right back this is Fresh Air. Support for n.p.r. Comes from this station and from f.x. Presenting the original movie a Christmas carol a dark retelling of the Charles Dickens a Christmas carol Thursday December 19th. And from the company. For warmth and personal style in solids prints and Nordic fleece pajama gram dot com This is Fresh Air and if you're just joining us my guest. And her daughter Emma Walton Hamilton they've collaborated on Julie Andrews 2nd memoir called homework a memoir of my Hollywood. You describe like Edwards as mercurial and and he could be magical as you said but he also had some. Problems with pain and had he did had periods of being adapted addicted to pain killers and you of course he was very depressed at times too yeah and you write that he entertained the thought of suicide several times. So I think that must have put a lot of pressure on you and I'm sure you worried about him because of the depression and also because of the pain killers how did you know when it was like Ok to bring up your concerns knowing you know thinking that it would be a time where you wouldn't just be brushed back and pushed away if you asked I think I think. The truth is that that it took a while to gain that coverage until learn about addiction and to learn that it is an illness and that depression is an illness and it was difficult but I don't know any marriage that doesn't really have a great deal of complication behind the image and Blake had a capacity for sincere apology many times he failed as often as he succeeded but but the the talent the the man behind all that was still to me very obvious and I guess love. Pulls you through a marriage no matter what. How did you both Julie start working together on books I had had an operation on my vocal chords which was. Frankly a disaster is I mean led to the fact that I am fortunately was left on able to sing and that was pretty devastating for me I thought that my voice was my only identification really I lived through singing and for my singing and. Thought that I was that was all I was was somebody who could do that and knew about it loved it. So not having a singing voice left me with. With I was very be amused and depressed and I thought I'll go crazy if I don't think of something to do that will keep me occupied I always have to do something as I think I mentioned earlier. I've been writing the 1st memoir a beginning to. I was not writing it physically but actually thinking about it making notes and so on before Emma herself became involved and my publishers at the time who had contracted me for the book asked if I had any children's books they knew I had written a few of them on my own. And did I have anything for very very young children and I said well let me think about it and I went home to Emma and said m. If you have to go to the library for a book for your young son Sam who was how old am I. Perhaps a year at most what would you want and what would he want because the publishers a saying do I have anything and I'd love to write something for them and your answer was I said Oh no question at all in my mind it would have to be something about trucks because he was as so many little boys are he was obsessed with trucks and he only wanted to wear t. Shirts with trucks on them and sleep on sheets with trucks on them and you know and every bedtime story was trucks trucks trucks and I was also teaching playwriting at the time because I was a street and running the once Sam was born I segue had from artistic direction at the theater to creating young audience programming there and running the education programs in our area schools I was teaching playwriting to young children and so mom said Well I think maybe we'd better try and write that together a book about trouble about trying this and that was off 1st attempt we had no idea that we'd be compatible and we I believe truly truly are. When we do work together the best idea when I mean if we have an argument about something it's usually obviously about a creative argument and we've never actually for job or anything it's always a recognition that somewhere the other one is so passionate about something that it's valid. We have different strengths. We do I yeah I tend to be the morn structure oriented or the nuts and bolts of the dramatic arc in the 1st act 2nd act 3rd act and all that and mom tends to be the the sort of fantastic 1st lines or the the flights of fancy the fun ideas the. Great ending. That she's she comes in with the wonderful surprises and the whimsy. And I'm all about the structure. I want to thank you both so much for talking with us Julie Andrews Emma Walton Hamilton thank you thank you we are such great great fans of yes we have to talk to you all thank you so much it's really been my pleasure to talk with you both Julie Andrews and her daughter Emma Walton Hamilton collaborated on Andrew's new memoir called homework after we take a short break we'll listen back to my 1992 interview with Danny Aiello He died last Thursday at age 86 he's probably best known for his role in Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing This is Fresh Air. Did you know n.p.r. 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This is Fresh Air We're going to listen back to my interview with actor Danny Aiello He died last Thursday at the age of 86 his breakthrough performances were in the Purple Rose of Cairo as Mia Farrow's husband Moonstruck as shares fiance and Spike Lee's 1909 film do the right thing in which he played the longtime owner of a pizzeria in an African-American neighborhood in the Bedford Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn his character Sal had a wall of fame in the pizza place featuring photos of famous Italian Americans one of his customers played by John Carlo Esposito confronted him about why the wall only had a talian Americans asap going to both going to war here what problems on a wall in general pleasure do what you want to do you know but your brothers and uncles and nieces and nephews your stepfather stepmother who if you want to see what this is my history. American the Tatas of all safety how do you. Stop what. You have might be fine sound what you paid is rarely do I see any American Idol after you see it all as these black folks so since respect it but it's money we do have sex we. Are looking for trouble you treat me as I would you were you making trouble here I would talk to me I'm a control all. Was coming it was 3. Hours I've lost the jet head I want you. I'm Ok if you want it you friend. The racial tensions between Aiello and his customers grew as the movie progressed i l o was nominated for an Oscar for that performance I spoke with Danny Aiello in 1902 after he starred in the film Ruby as Jack Ruby The Man Who Shocked America by shooting and killing President Kennedy's assassin Lee Harvey Oswald. Danny Aiello told me that like many Americans he saw murder of live on network t.v. . When. I believe that time Terry in street justice an eye for an eye he killed the President and this guy killed him good. And this of course was the germ of the idea where I began to formulate the character of Ruby I made him in my own mind a hero. And as we know the way Ruby ends up we find out that he is really not a hero and and he's realizing it toward the end of his life but that was my reaction you portray Ruby as a small time guy who's gotten in over his head absolutely and often has to bluff his way out of tight situations and you do wonderful line readings in the movie I mean it I think you just convey a lot with with your voice and with where you put the accents and certain readings of lines I wonder how you rehearse these things even at home and I don't even necessarily mean on the set but when you got this script and you were trying to figure out how you would do the character how you would do specific lines what's your process like for testing out your line and if it's a process I do it until I learn it I don't memorize it to the extent where it's like rote I never always got to be fresh and new to me I like to go before the cameras knowing the lines but I'm not totally sure of them do you follow what I mean so that when they do come out of my mouth they appear to be coming out of my mouth for the 1st time I don't know what the system is people at the American Academy has me to come over and teach I said What am I going to teach they said the I.L.O.'s system I said What is that all I know as I sit by myself with myself I work on the script and it's a matter of repetition constantly going over the entire script into relating what are the characters what are the characters mean to me and then I find after making all the plans that I had when I'm finally going before the cameras opposite the other actor things change and the Olds thought all over again and that's probably nothing that I've been writers but I like to go in there with that feeling that I'm not quite sure what all eyes are so that it comes out that like growth as I said before you started acting when you were in your. Mid thirties do you have any idea before that that you were even interested in acting No I gravitated toward acting Terry because I thought it might be it's a communication medium and I was a fairly good talker and I was fairly good with people that maybe this would be the way to go I was an educated I never I was and high school for about a half hour I went to one door and out to the other I want to James Monroe so I really had no education no trade so I felt that the obvious place to go after losing the union job would be and so I think never realizing how difficult that profession is but I did it anyway but I never thought I would be a failure I always thought some level I would be a success if I dedicated myself. And look what happened you know I'm interested in your early life your father was a Teamster and was on the road a lot yeah my father was not home well you have or could be perceived as a father of this home right as you and I would come home once a year pregnant my mother steak while we all ate of macaroni some beans and managed to find a safe and somehow in the a that he had a very proudly at the table actually of beans and but it was my mother who was solely responsible for bringing up of 7 children I know you went to work when when you were very young but I think you also got involved in robberies when you pretty young Yeah I did some crazy things I had a fear Terry of. Being homeless and and I was early on I don't know when I was put in my mind I guess maybe if mamma decided to run off like that the 7 kids would have been on was so I guess that was the germ of the idea in my mind as I grew up and I lost my Union presidency choppin that was very little for me it's you know I was making 190 here and I was making nothing I got frightened and I thought I wasn't going to be able to keep a roof over the heads of my 4 children my wife and myself and I did things to compensate for that and they were not on robberies they were not hitting people over the head they were some maybe deserted buildings with it might be a safe I did some silly stupid things that I feel ashamed I did you know I was desperate I thought we were going to be homeless and and I was the only way I can turn because at that point in my life it was pretty hard to for me to have no money coming in and and supporting a family of. 64 children my wife and I did you make sure the statute of limitations was up before mentioned Yeah I mean if you did why son of a gun I have and I did and you know I don't want you to think that it was like this was an ongoing thing forever it was a thing that happened until the fear became so great in me that that I said I just can't do this because what I would be doing is losing my family anyway if I did have to go and things just as God wants thought of to work out she had the problem I would never want to borrow money from anyone that would take money I wouldn't ask I wouldn't accept help from anyone and the only help that I did accept was something that really set me off to stealing and that was welfare I didn't have the guts to go into the welfare office my wife did twice on welfare of 2 months my wife stood in line humiliated she came from a family that had money she was humiliated. She stood there and I swore I would never do that again so always thought of the good destitute again I refused to go back there so the next thing that I did was decide to make money in another way and I'd break into cigarette machines juke boxes I used to pay rent with quarters and nickels. It's crazy and I'm ashamed to tell you this Terry and I don't want you think any less of me for it but you people do that. And we can be critical and should be critical course no one should have to do that you know one of your really big breakthrough roles was a cell in do the right thing and I really loved you in that film and I always felt watching that movie that Spike Lee probably saw the character as a blatant racist but that you gave the character a depth and integrity and I know you actually even wrote lines for the character to flesh the character out yeah if you pick up his original script the original you'll see that he was a one note character to me he was what I would've cold and the old days a token black and an old white film and this case he could have been a total white token white and all black film when I looked at I told Spike I said Spike I said this guy's a plantation on the skies a Borat character why is he there why is he a Bed Stuy Why has he got a bizarre ear and in the in the totally black neighborhood I said he can be anywhere so I defined in my own mind that he's there have because that's where he wants to be he likes the teakettle he enjoys the people he's working with he saw them get older he enjoys the fact that they love his food he's that kind of a simple guy and it was because of that I think that made the character and more sympathetic character and a multi-dimensional character as opposed to say a simple album out raises Now you may define in your own mind a come to the conclusion that Sal is a racist but it's not obvious see there was one top of the film. At the end where it bothered me that Spike's character Muki said to Mike that. If the place was burned even to get your money back and insurance I was infuriated by that remark because you cannot as a store owner as a business on a Bed Stuy get insurance so I said this is a joke why you say that I said I want to come back to you kid knew I couldn't get earthquake insurance on this neighbor he didn't want that line then so I had a right as mine this isn't about money this is about I built this place with my bare hands you remember that line so he'd compromise somewhat He didn't want me to say I couldn't get earthquake insurance in this neighborhood but he did permit me to say this isn't about money this is about I've built this place and my bag has Spike I mean I have to give him this before I agreed to do this I said I want to make some changes that anything you want to do to make it better that's what Spike said and he went with the program as we were going Danny Aiello recorded in 1902 he died last Thursday at age 86 tomorrow on fresh air we'll talk about our longest war the 18 year Afghanistan war the mistakes flawed strategy expense loss of life and how u.s. 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We're about to wrap up 2019 So tonight we're going to take a look back at the past 12 months check out some of the excellent blues music released so far this year we're going to start the show with the young African-American blues phenol man of Clarksdale Mississippi his name is Chris Ingram he calls himself kingfish at the age of 20 just signed a record deal with alligator kingfish maybe young but he grew up in Clarksdale the epicenter for Delta Blues and he's a real deal to start the show with kingfish Ingram doing a song from his debut album it's called it ain't right.