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Prosecute this. The suggestion that there was some sort of political pressure that was put on my office to push this case forward or to charge it is absolute nonsense. It didnt happen. Reporter as alex waited for trial, things got worse. His 5yearold daughter coco was diagnosed with cancer and underwent a bone marrow transplant. His daughters illness took a huge toll on our family i will say this about my son. I saw him as very strong. You know, he was handling things that i dont think most people could. Reporter it had taken four years after his wifes death, but finally alex fazzino went on trial for her murder. Please rise. Reporter because of pretrial publicity and the high profile beckwith name, the case was moved out of boone, 200 miles away to decorah, iowa. Beckwiths were now separated by much more than the courtroom aisle. The prosecutor told the jury, that after a deteriorating relationship and with divorce papers filed, alex lost it that night, and killed his wife. Alex had everything to gain by emilys death. And he had everything to lose by emily being alive. Alex would lose his kids, would lose his job. Would lose his house. Divorce. Reporter the state started its case using alexs own words. Help help oh, my god 911. What is the location of your emergency . Help, help, help. Reporter prosecutors said this wasnt grief, it was remorse. In that initial 911 call, alex sounds pretty genuinely traumatized to me. He doesnt sound like somebody who was faking it. Part of the argument to to murder. What were hearing is his horror at having just committed a murder of someone who is close to him . That would be a way to characterize it, yes. Reporter prosecutors claimed that in that 911 call, alex had already concocted a story that emily committed suicide or died from a drug overdose. My wifes killed herself. My wifes killed herself. Please help me. Who . Reporter even at that Police Interview a few hours later, prosecutors said alex was had somehow overdosed. Maybe she didnt kill herself. Maybe it was an accident. Reporter then the prosecution called the state medical examiner to tell jurors about that key piece of evidence, the toxicology report. Did you also have testing done on body fluids and blood that had been taken from emily toxicology tests. Reporter she told the jury emily had no drugs in her system that would have killed her. The drug tests were that were done did not show opiates in her system at all. Reporter you think it didnt play a role . I dont think it played a role that night. Reporter and even though shed initially ruled the cause of death undetermined, the state medical examiner had a surprising change of heart on the witness stand. Which manner of death do you favor over the others . In this case im much more strongly leaning toward homicide than any of the other manners of death. Reporter and that second pathologist said there was no doubt about his conclusion. Bruises, front, back, left, and right of the head, would be consistent with a homicide. Bruises along the side of the windpipe and larynx would be consistent with a homicide. Reporter murder by strangulation. Prosecutors now called family and friends to testify that emily felt threatened by her husband. Her sister, ammie. To her death . Sad. Why was Emily Fazzino sad, do you know . Cause she wanted, she wanted to get away from alex. Reporter the childrens nanny also recounted a conversation with emily just before her death. I asked emily two questions. The first one was if she was scared of alex. What was emilys response . Her response was yes. What was the second one . I had asked her ie worried that alex would harm her or kill her. What was emilys response . She nodded her head yes. Reporter less than a week later, Emily Fazzino was dead. Prosecutors said there was only one conclusion alex murdered his wife. The only explanation here after looking at all the evidence, all the circumstances, is that the head injuries were inflicted, and who wouldve done that. Reporter now it was the defenses turn. This was to be a trial of two emilys. Coming up did you drink a lot tonight . No, i had three cocktails. Reporter the surprise evidence alex had up his sleeve. Why why why does it matter . Whatd you do today . Emily, under the influence . When dateline continues. Lets feed him to the sharks squuuuack, lets feed him to the sharks yay and take all of his gold and take all of his gold ya and hide it from the crew ya. . Squuuuack, theyre all morons anyway i never said that. They all smell bad too. No you all smell wonderful i smell bad if youre a parrot, you repeat things. Its what you do. If you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. Its what you do. Squuuuack, its what you do. Add finish . 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One bottle has the grease cleaning power of two bottles of this bargain brand. Reporter by this time, the love that had once joined the beckwith and fazzino families was long gone. In an iowa courtroom, both families had listened for a week. Alex fazzino murdered Emily Fazzino on january 29. Reporter as prosecutors painted alex fazzino as a monster who brutally killed his wife in a fit of rage. I gotta ask you this straight out. Did you play any role in killing your wife . Physically, no. I mean i, ill always feel a little responsible that i couldnt get through to anybody to get her help. And ill carry that with me for all of my life. Reporter defense lawyers, all. This case should have never been prosecuted. That was where you came down right, was from the beginning, was that the case shouldnt have been brought . Absolutely not. I took that position because of the lack of evidence. Alex fazzino was totally innocent. Theres no more pressure than when you if you have an innocent person that youre trying to defend on this kind of a charge, firstdegree murder. Reporter kutmus says that from the beginning, prosecutors targeted alex and refused to consider anything else. They reviewed all the reports, Everything Associated with her death. They concluded, we dont know what the cause of death is. We dont know the manner of death. And what happened almost a year and a half later, the state finds some guy from sioux falls, south dakota, a pathologist who said that the manner of death was was a homicide. They found this person. Reporter kutmus stated his case to the jury. Emily fazzino passed away as a result of an accidental drowning. Addiction. Reporter he said the only crime was that emily never received the help she needed. The defense called emilys mother to the stand to show that detox at her house was at best amateur hour. You have no certificate or any license. No, i dont. Are you telling this jury that you know all the subtleties of withdrawal . Absolutely not. Reporter kutmus tried to cast doubt on the claim that emily had gotten completely n were you in denial at that time about your daughters condition is this about your daughters condition . Absolutely not. Reporter to drive home that point, the defense called witnesses who say they saw signs emily was still abusing those pain pills and alcohol in the weeks before she died. One of them was alexs mother. She was argumentative. Agitated and she didnt really seem to comprehend sometimes reporter signs, the defense said, that are evident in this video. What did you do today . Well reporter it was a facetime call alex said he recorded less than two weeks before emily died. I got, i cant, i dont know. Why, why, why does it matter, whatd you today what . Whyd you record that facetime call . To ensure id get custody of the kids in a divorce. You wanted proof that emily right. Its hard to argue with whats plain to see on video. Did you drink a lot tonight . No. I had three cocktails. Reporter the defense theory . Just before she died, knowing she was facing a child custody battle and would be tested emily took herself off the drugs one final time. She goes cold turkey. What happens . Its clear. Withdrawal happens two or three days later. Seizures, fainting, dizziness, unsteadiness, weakness. She couldve fallen in that bathtub. Unable to even lift herself up. And that also explains why there werent any of those drugs found in her system . Correct. Exactly. Reporter could Emily Fazzino have simply drowned accidentally in the tub . Alexs attorneys were hoping to plant that thought in the minds of the jurors, but what about those bruises . They called their own pathologist who said he didnt w do you know any determination where they could conclude how that particular injury occurred. No, sir. Its unknown to them and to me, unlike the tv shows you cant just look at that and tell exactly how it happened. Reporter no expert, they argued, could say for certain that that there had even been a murder. I do not know the cause of death, i do not know the manner of death. Thats not an intellectual failure, thats intellectual that even the states own m. E. , dr. Catellier, had come to the same conclusion in her original report. The cause of death, undetermined. Well is there anything in dr. Cataliers original autopsy report, that you take issue or disagree with . No sir, i actually agree with it wholeheartedly. At trial, dr. Catalier testified that she favors homicide. Would you agree with that . No sir, i would respectfully disagree witth reporter the defense conclusion, it wasnt alex who killed emily, it was what was in those pill bottles. This is the marital issue. This is what he screamed about, and he howled about. But no one would listen. Do justice to alex fazzino. Find him not guilty. Reporter jurors would now have to decide if alex fazzino was a killer, or a wrongly accused husband who had tried reporter coming up you prepared for a guilty verdict . Yeah. Reporter two families on edge. Four years of questions. Reporter and the verdict reporter four years after Emily Fazzinos death, her husbands fate was finally in the hands of a jury. Alex says he was confident during the nearly threeweek trial but says doubt crept in you prepared for a guilty verdict . Yeah. I wrote a note to my children. Reporter whats it say . Nick, ricky, and coco, i loved your mother, and i never hurt her. I would never leave you. Like your mom is always in your heart, i will be, too. You kids are the light of my life. All my love, now and forever, dad. Reporter the first day, the jury went home without a verdict. As the hours ticked by the next morning, still nothing from the jury. In the afternoon, alex got a phone call. The jury had reached a decision. When they called me and said the jurys in, i could barely breathe. Reporter emilys family and friends rushed to the courthouse. Prosecutors were confident. We did the best that we could in putting on the evidence that we had and and hopefully the jury would see it our way and convict him. Reporter the Defense Attorneys were confident as we had the experts. But but you never know. But you never know. Good luck, honey. I love you. I dont need luck, dad. Reporter both sides couldnt be any more raw, or more on edge. Alex was facing life in prison. And finally, after four long years is this the verdict of each and every one of the members of the jury . Reporter here it was. In the matter of the state of iowa Plaintiff Versus Alexander Joseph fazzino. We the jury find the defendant not guilty. [ cheers ] thank you, lord reporter not guilty. The words alex and his family had been waiting to hear. Even his veteran Defense Attorneys couldnt hold it together. I held off crying until bill started crying. Yeah. He he started it. And thats what sent me over the edge. Reporter and one never cries if you think your clients guilty. No. You dont. Reporter on the other side of the courtroom, emilys family and friends could barely move. With the verdict, the divide between these two families became complete. Thank you so much. Reporter the celebration across the aisle became too much for emilys mother to take. Shut up, shut up i went in shock. Alls i can remember is people jumping up and down like cheerleaders. That i told em to shut up. Reporter as they left the courtroom, the reality of what had happened sank in. Back inside, alex says felt he far from victorious. Theres not much to be excited about. Emily is still gone. And my kids dont have their mother. I felt completely unchanged. I was innocent when i walked in the courtroom and im innocent high five about . Reporter you know there are people that are never gonna believe youre innocent . Yeah. Im very aware. Reporter youre okay with that. Im not okay with it. I cant let it bother me. Im not gonna let what somebody says keep me from holding my head up high. Reporter emilys parents are among those who still believe in alexs guilt. But strangely enough, something that sounded like acceptance crept into our conversation. This isnt easy for me to say, i hope that the rest of his life he spends doing as much as he possibly can for his children. We dont have bitterness inside. Or hate. Or hate. He was found innocent. Its over. Were walking down the the road of life. Reporter their granddaughter this year, she turned 7 years old, cancerfree. But alex says big moments like these will forever be tinged with sadness. Graduating from kindergarten, my sons first big hit. Every one of those moments for me, its not the happiest because emilys not there. Shes not there for for them and for me. To share in it. Itsit thats all for now. Im lester holt. Thanks for joining us. This sunday, trump 3. 0. Donald trumps evolving positions on immigration. Undocumented immigrants . There certainly can be a softens because were not looking to hurt people. Or is he still for it . There is no path to legalization, unless people leave the ountry. Or is he not sure . Well ask the head of the rns Reince Priebus and the Clinton Foundation under fire amid pay for play accusations. If Hillary Clinton wins, will that foundation need to be shut down . Finally, the toxic state ofhis campaign. T continued pushing discredited conspiracy theories with racist under tones. Hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as voters. And what voters think of it. Rotten eggs. Skunk. Garbage. Joining me this sunday morning are andrea mitchell, nbc correspondent. Hugh hewitt and joy reid. Welcome to sunday, its meet the press. Announcer from nbc news in washington this is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning and were happy to be back after a break for the olympics. How about team usa . Worth the break to watch them dominate. Lets state the obvious. It hasnt been a good week for either president ial candidate frankly or for the a week that reagan with donald trump revamping ending with him stating immigration and another and back on. The evolving do deport, dont deport statements confused the public and left his staff tongue tied at times. At the same time, the fbi discovered some 15,000 new Clinton State Department emails that will be released starting next month guaranteeing that issue will follow Hillary Clinton through the end of this charges and calls for the clintons to distance themselves further from the foundation if Hillary Clinton wins the presidency and candidates called each other names in a nasty and negative campaign that appears to be turning voters off. Well see what that means down the road. But we begin with Donald Trumps hamhanded efforts to find a middle ground on deportation. Was he for it before he was against it or a little bit of to explain again. All the media wants to talk about is the 11 million people. After a week in an attempt to moderate immigration turned into a muddle. There certainly can be a softening because were not looking to hurt people. I heard people say its a harden hardening. Monday, trump appeared to defend tpresident obamas polic. Lots of people were brought laws. As the week went on, his position multiplied. They have to pay back taxes. They have to pay taxes. There is no amnesty, as such. There is no amnesty. There is no path to legalization. We talked about unless people leave the country. Trump even polled a town hall audience. Number one well see throw out. Number two, we work with them. Ready . Number two. [ cheers ] who knew that it would be donald trump . [ laughter ] to come and convert the gop base. Trumps latest confusion may be an attempt to soften his image without alienating longtime supporters n. March more than half of Trump Supporters opposed allowing immigrants to stay in the certain requirements but 74 of voters overall supported eventual actual legal status. Trumps positions on immigration is like shaking a magic eight ball. Half the time it comes up and says shake again. Its reflecting what positions ought to be. A former editor at large, the nationals rightleaning website and critic of steve ban none. The longtime char main trump hired to run the flagging campaign. If the polls continue to not be good, then i surprised to see him start edging out other members of the team by saying hes been telling trump all along he should do what he feels is in his heart. Hes making the influence felt about clintons health. Im not saying shes had a stroke or anything like that but this is not the woman that were used to seeing. She doesnt have the stamina to do it even if she wanted to, believe me. Well, joining me now is the chairman of the Republican Party Reince Priebus. Lets start with immigration. A month ago you predicted in an interview with the Washington Examiner what is his position specifically on the immigrants . Youll see hes giving prepared remarks on the issue i think very soon. I dont want to give a date. I think let me. We dont know . I mean thanks is sort of remarkable we dont know. I dont speak for donald trump. Thats what i do here is what i know. His position will be tough. His position will be fair, but his position is going to be humane. Hes going to build and complete the border wall that was set in place in 2006 by congress. Its going to be paid for. I believe that he is going to when he talks about deportation, hell go after people here and are criminals and shouldnt be here. Who is a criminal under this circumstance, though . Some people believe just being here illegally is a crime. Criminal. Does that count . Well, look, those are the things that donald trump is going to answer, and this is not obviously a simple question. These are not simple issues. If they were simple, obviously, the position simplified it a lot during the primaries some would argue over simplified it. He did simplify it. Now hes reflecting on it and his position is going to be null. Here is the thing, the part about what where donald trump is on this, is hes a guywh issue, tougher on illegal immigration than any politician weve had as a nominee or ever could have as a nominee. Thats not going to change. Hes going to be a law and order candidate, he is. And a law and order president. Do you agree with some of the analysis that says this is jeb bushs policy . I dont. I dont think youre going to bushs plan provided an easier plan. The gang of eight was an easier plan to legalization, an easier plan to citizen ship. Youre not going to have a pathway to citizen ship with donald trump. Thats off the table. There is no method by which someone is here illegally that is going to become a citizen and jump the line as Hillary Clinton wants to do. I mean, the real issue is look at the two plans. Look where Hillary Clinton is. She wants to put Barack Obamas gr are here illegally to cut the line before anyone else. Donald trump praised parts of Barack Obamas immigration. Parts of it. As far as deportation. Parts of it but not Illegal Immigrants jumping the line like Hillary Clinton wants to do. Thats the issuemen. The issue is this is an election of choices. One, allow everyone in through complete amnesty or number two, human. Citizen ship is still on Donald Trumps plan. Youll have to ask him. Where is the Republican Party on this . Do you think that should be something that should be the position of the Republican Party . No, i believe in the interpretation of the Supreme Court on the issue. So youre comfortable with birthright citizen ship . Im comfortable with it. Im comfortable with it. Im comfortable with the Supreme Court rulings on the issue. So your advice to him would be dont be touching birthright a nominee is not does not have the doesnt have to adopt every single position and platform position of the Republican Party. If were talking about and what my opinion is on birthright citizen ship does not necessarily have to be adopted by a nominee. My exact view of immigration and nominee. Let me ask you this, in the infamous 2013 autopsy, this is what was written in it. If hispanic americans perceive a gop nominee or candidate does not want them in the united states, i. E. Selfdeportation, they will not Pay Attention to the next sentence. Do you think donald trump understands this analysis . I think he understands it completely. I think is that what this evolution is about . You know what . I dont know when you say what the evolution is about, at every position that its taken and as you get closer to the white house, a degree of hum humanity and decency is part of every decision needs to be made. I know donald trump in private. I talk to him every day. I know what hes thinking about the issues and this is a good and descent man that wants to do the right thing and take every position hes talking about and and human tar. Lets talk about race. Donald trump called Hillary Clinton a bigot this week. Do you think she is . You have to look at peoples actions. You look at donald trump and his actions and developing and promoting women and breaking a mold, which today we think is nuts but 40 years ago broke the mold in allowing anyone with any br background, any faith, you look at Hillary Clinton. She labeled african super predators. Her campaign and supporters in her campaign were the ones that the birther movement. It was bill clinton and her campaign in 2008 that questioned the success of barack obama, not based on his talent, but based on his race. It was their campaign. Why cant we start judging these people based on what they actually did . She gave out state secrets. Thats unacceptable. This weeks New York Times outline what trump and his father may have done when it comes to basically keeping African Americans may have done. This is the issue. This is what he may have done. If you look at what hes done as a developer, and putting together golf courses, these clubs, the things hes been doing for the last several decades, he has broken the mold when it comes to this issue, and i can tell you where his heart is a one of the things he said, he said Hillary Clinton only views African Americans as votes. Not as human beings and this is what he tweeted out yesterday morning after the tragedy about dwayne wade, former heat, chicago bull whose cousin was shot and killed in chicago. Dwayne wades cousin was shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. What ive been saying, African Americans will in all caps vote trump. Appropriate . Frustrated with. Democrats, i think, have been taking advantage of this vote and providing very little leadership to get things done in urban areas across america. I worked in wisconsin for Tommy Thompson when the first private School Choice bill was put together. It was democrats out of the cities, democrats in the power base of their party that fought School Choice across the state of wisconsin. And to me, i at leadership in the cities, its education reform, its freeing up sba loans. These are things our party is champing and he says that and its frustrating to see that the democrats go into these cities, i think take advantage of the vote and provide very little leadership in return. Are you happy with the hires . Look, i go with the flow, i think kelly ann is doing a phenomenal job. I dont know steve bannon. Were learning his background and some of it is this the proper background that donald trump should be hiring if hes trying to appeal to women for instance . I dont know how much of it is true or not, neither do you. I dont speculate based on what other third parties say about people. I tend to judge people on what i see and interact with. One final question when it comes to theis Clinton Foundation and tax returns. I want to ask it this way. Donald trump has been hitting her hard and saying all sorts of behind the scenes, pay for play allegations. Does he have does it under cut the message if he doesnt release tax returns . Would he have Higher Ground here and criticizing clintons finances if we saw his tax returns . I dont think so. Roger stone is the latest republican to call for donald trump to release the tax returns a close friend of trumps . I dont think so. Clinton has done when voters look at what Hillary Clinton actually did, they see somebody that they believe broke the law. They see somebody who gave away state secrets and see somebody that went out of her way donald trump but youre judging we dont know. Thats the point. But do you think let me ask you, if we dont know we know Hillary Clinton shouldnt be trusted with National Secrets and with the most precious the most precious information that our country has in their hands. We know she cant are you equating that the known wait conclusion that she cant be trusted with state secrets to what could be in Donald Trumps taxes . Weve had a history of every major nominee releasing their tax returns reince im not suggesting im hes a private businessman whose Companies May or may not benefit from him being president. Thats something voters should want to know. Im not suggesting its a subject good journalist dont im suggesting its preposterous. To equate someone we know gave away youre making an assumption. We dont know. We do know. C cow me said the. Vulnerability. James comey laid out the case for gross negligence. We dont know factually. You dont have the smoking gun. Youre telling me we dont have a smokin we know that confidential top secret emails were part of the information that was put in a private secret server. We know that to be the case. Youre equating that knowledge to the possibility of maybe something isnt right in a tax return that we dont know about . Come on. Okay. Reince priebus, ill leave it there. Good luck. Its been a good two weeks for donald trump and its been a bad two weeks for Hillary Clinton. Well let the panel assess the panel is here. Hugh hewitt, andrea mitchell. Robert costa and joy reid. All right. Costa, im going to put it to you. That question, a good two weeks for trump and bad for clinton. Coming in trying to get populism back on track for trump and getting trump more disciplined in the message but this is a candidate uncomfortable stay something on script. Well have to see how long it lasts. Has he immigration or not, hugh . New york city i think he helped himself a lot to bring more humanity. It was a terrible two weeks. I think what we will hear, eight letters fara, fcpa. In trouble on the two complex laws. Andrea, where are you on this . It a little bit less controversial, if you will, on deportation but he has to venn actually be more specific on the debate, lets say. On the law, go back to what cow comey said, he said over and over again and in the letter he sent to the committee afterwards he finds no basis for prosecution. And that has to be the bottom line. In the last part that chairman priebus and i were going back and f that people have with the Clinton Foundation and what we dont know about trumps businesses, is this equal or not . Not even close to being equal. One of the things that is interesting is we discovered one of the few things we have been able to find out is how much money he owes to foreign banks. Those questions are not going away. I think the American People as have a right to know. One of the concerns a lot of demod democratic strategists have had, donald trump has done more to energize after condition americans against him in the last two weeks of out reach than Hillary Clinton has done in a year. By the way, the steve bannon. What did you make of that . Tells me there is concern i will say this, for every coulter there is more. There is a reflection. The roger stone. Ill say there isnt somebody with connections to White Nationalism in that group you mentioned except steve bannon and thats a significant problem for the Trump Campaign. The Trump Campaign is in new jersey. Ive been covering bannon for five or six years. Hes done zero press appearances. He has conway. You hear it. I was very were finding out. That was a tell to me, sounds like if the chairman had his preference. Kelly ann conway is a great face for the campaign. Steve bannon is not. Well be back in a moment to talk about the other person that had a rough week. Hillary clinton. 15,000 new emails operated on a pay for play paybasis and we tad about the ugliness of the ugly moment earlier this week. Take a listen. I would like to talk to you about your comments about my being a racist you [ bleep ]. That voice mail message left by maine Governor Paul Lepage is just the latest example of a race to the bottom. Maybe by too many politicians and its something that has a and its something that has a lot of voters welcome to the world 2116, you can fly across town in minutes in less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes to space planes, across the universe and beyond. And if you thought that was amazing, you just wait. Welcome back. Turning to a week we saw Hillary Clinton answering questions about emails and pay for play or at least a pay for access. Eight years ago after barack obama was first elected, members of his team expressed concerns about the foundation as clinton was tapped as secretary of state. Joining me now to talk about of 2008 campaigns. Welcome back to the show. Good morning, chuck. I know you were not involved in the transition negotiations at the time but there was definitely concern about the appearance of a clinton as secretary of state and another clinton raising money from foreign entities at a private foundation. Do you believe that the clintons upheld their end of the bargain when it came to the memo of the understanding that was signed by thte i think you have to stack backcheck. The Clinton Foundation, its universal agreement has done remarkable work around the world. I think donald trump contributed 100,000 to the foundation. The work its done around aids and malaria, i think they will answer that by saying bill clinton will step down but again, if you look at this from a campaign perspective, youve got the foundation and youve amazing to me, of all the things donald trump has done and a hall of fame of unforced errors that hurt candidacy, the thing hes most concerned about is what is in the tax returns and business dealings. His Foreign Policy is basically centered around attacks on china. He probably has hundreds of millions of dollars of exposure there. Fondness for vladimir putin. There is legitimate questions october the Clinton Foundation and presses clearly spending a lot of time on that but if you of who can you trust and financial dealings, there is not much of a comparison. Let me go back to the Clinton Foundation. Why what was okay at state not okay as president . And it makes you wonder like why didnt why wasnt there thought of former president bill clinton stepping down from the foundation eight years ago . Listen, i think there is a lot of transparency and a great deal obviously, releasing of donors and information being by the way, im glad they are not falling into the drop of shutting down the Clinton Foundation. Why is that . The Clinton Foundation does remarkable work all around the world and i think as long as there is the right transparency, right accountability and those procedures are clear to the public, i think its a huge at butte and contribution to the world. Isnt it a concern, though, if youre at the Clinton Foundation and youre a mayor donor, isnt it a concern now if youre a donor considering how much of a political hot potato it could be, doesnt it undermine the Clinton Foundation efforts because of the political nature of things involving it . I dont think so. If youre someone that cares about the work the Clinton Foundation is doing around the world. Youre going to be very, very passionate about continuing the work Going Forward and people will intensify because i think at the end of the day, these are political attacks. I get were in a political season. Its undeniable. Addition to the global scene. I guess the issue has to do with the purchasing of access. Which is legal. Supreme court said it is essentially legal to buy access of a politician within reason. Not to get something in return, beyond access, but is that really the problem . The fact that that is legal that essentially a lot of people do expect access in return for a contribution . Well, my strong belief is i dont think people gave to the Clinton Foundation expecting access. Melinda gates, mohammed. You got people, very wealthy people who care about the work of the Clinton Foundation. What about the government of qatar . Are they looking for . Secretary of state wills meet with leaders around the world. You do that anyway over the course of business. I want to ask about the race in general. The last time you were on, you expressed concern that hillary places like virginia and colorado. Well, its the first two states that essentially the campaign pulled out of because they think they have put the campaign away. How did you miss that . Why did you miss read those two states in particular . Those are two tough states. They were uniquely suited to barack obama so when we had that conversation, i think the assessment is donald trump would do some things to appeal to the middle of the hes not. Basically have a psychopath running for president. He meets the clinical definition wait a minute. Do you really think diagnosing people on air and i assume you dont have a degree in psychology, is that fair . I mean well were jumping to conclusions here. I think this is what gets voters frustrated with this kind of thing. Listen. He the notion of selfworth, pathological lying. Psychology but here is chuck, basically the race sits today. I think Hillary Clinton is guaranteed at least 269 electoral votes because virginia and colorado both campaigns are away. At the end of the day 20 chance its close three points and likely going to be a landslide. And donald trump has less than and in florida, states of ohio, nevada have the advantage. Suburban and improve younger voters. Prepping for donald trump Something Like that . Well, its a great question. I think, it is going to be difficult because you have to prepare for many different trumps, like well behaved modest tr trump. A trump that doesnt prepare for anything. I think the job of preparing for trump is difficult. You have to have somebody that can play its pface nating. You were in the white house dealing with politics of obama care for years. These are headlines in the last couple weeks, Washington Post won is the one i want to emphasize, Health Care Exchange signups fall short of forecast, literally, one half of what was projected at this point in time on signups, let me ask you this, how concerned are you that ocho b obamacare could implode . Its not been a good year for you got to step back. You had millions and millions of americans with health care coverage. Health care costs obviously have been on a descent trajectory. So in terms of Overall Health care costs for the country. What will happen after this election, though, is obviously youll have the space to say okay, what is working well and almost all of it is. What needs to be strengthened. Youll see a lot of republican governors acre aep there is no doubt over time youll step back and say what needs to be adjusted . Given the Insurance Companies bailing on a public option now a mistake . I think the president spoke recently about that, that he i dont think you could get a public option passed. That wasnt going to get pasted. We barely passed it. At the end of the day the president spoke and thats part of the solution Going Forward. Always a pleasure. You got it. A moment and later, those a moment and later, those reports of increasing okay, so whats our latest data say . Our customer is a 21yearold female. A moment and later, those reports of increasing heavily into basketball. Wait. Data just changed. Now shes into disc sports. Ah, no shes not. Since when . Since now. Shes into tai chi. She found disc sports too stressful. Hold on. Let me ask you this. Whats she gonna like six months from now . Steve. Steve. Steve. And alexis. Uh, no. Just steve. Just steve. Just steve. Live business, powered by sap. Nutrition is a word getting thrown around a lot these days. But do you really know what it means . No. S no. Because its complicated and sciencey. 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While i was interviewing Reince Priebus. Mike pence was on cnn and said lets be clear, nothing has changed. His position on illegal information, illegal immigration, principals and policies are absolutely consistent and actually thanks reminded me of something a spokesperson for the Trump Campaign Christina Pearson said. Let me play it and lets talk about it. He hasnt changed his position on immigration. He changed words he is saying. What he has always said from the beginning [ laughter ] no, that he does not want to allow people to stay in this country illegally. Look, priebused a bitted he changed his position and what he said in the primaries is different, hugh. Rhetorical games here . Thats the north star he cannot depart and will not. Hes always been ambiguous on touch back. Who knows what that meant. We have robert costa here reporting to the Washington Post that donald trump tends to reflect the words of the last person that spoke to him and you can see the disconnect that he literally says its a softening and got uncomfortable with the word softening and said its a hard and incredibly durable and strong wall and i think donald trump has not thought deeply about policy but reflecting whoever is nearest to him or the crowd cheering. Its the crowd thats cheering. Its the push back and it you saw the most blatant example he did a poll and said to the crowd at the hannity town hall what do you want . Do you want to deport them all or not . Is it . Its like the roman circus. Thumbs up, thumbs down. Hes reacting and there is a kelly ann you got to think about trump as someone surrounded by an orbit. You got roger ailes there and Laura Ingraham and steve ban in there and Kelly Ann Conway and the family worried about the brand for trump. You have all these voices and trump doesnt have a populace core. Thats not who he is. This crucial trunk tour is bg flooded with advice. The businessman in him probably is why he keeps gravitating toward middle ground because ultimately, middle ground is where hes comfortable. I should point out kelly ann said roger ailes was not at that meeting. There was is a disconnect there. She said shes not been at a meeting roger ails is a friend and advisor. Ails may have been not in that same the question i think that voters could rightly ask then,