Bring them to me. Lets go. But, were not repealing it as long as im president. Now, i dont know why any american would trust this government after all the broken promises theyve already seen in obama care. Well discuss the latest on obama care and a new gop plan to boost our inner cities with kentucky senator rand paul. Its a Fox News Sunday exclusive. Plus, with the website working better and enrollment on the rise, well ask one of the laws architects, dr. Ezequiel emanuel where obama care goes from here. Its been ten years since i took over the anchor chair here. Its been quite a ride. Well look back at some of our favorite moments from the last ten years. All right now on Fox News Sunday. And hello again from fox news in washington. This is a national day of prayer and reflection in south africa. As that nation continues to mourn the man many consider its father. South africans gathered at makeshift shrines to remember Nelson Mandela who died thursday at the age of 95. Fox News Senior Foreign Affairs correspondent is live outside mandelas home in johannesburg with the latest. Reporter chris, this was supposed to be that national day of prayer and reflection. And, in fact, across the country its filled with people marking the day. Here in what was the old home neighborhood of Nelson Mandela, just a few days after his passing, the mood here is anything but solemn. In fact, it is festive. Take a look at what we saw, what we heard. They sang. They danced. They chanted. Blacks, whites and all races. Young, very young and old. It seemed important for all to be as close as possible to the last spot where the man they consider the father of their country breathed his last breath. Candles were lit. Gifts were presented. The south African People suddenly realizing the person who helped rid the country of ar p apartheid is no more. A huge mountain of flowers are being laid by his fans, by his friends, by the people of his country as they come here to pray, to mourn, to celebrate, to express their feelings. As you can see, the nation is mourning. We lost a big hero. He meant a lot to me. Reporter he did a lot. A horrible loss. For everybody. I was still a baby. Now im here with my baby. Reporter now comes a long week of memorials to the late Nelson Mandela. It is billed as the biggest funeral of the century. On tuesday therell be a massive event at a soccer stadium here. In attendance, president obama and former president george w. Bush. Also coming, former president s clinton and carter. Mandelas body will lie in state for three days. Then he will be buried next sunday in his home village. Buried, but certainly not forgotten. Chris . Reporting live from south africa. Thanks for that. Later in the program, our exclusive beinterview with pik zbln bo botha. Now we turn to washington, where the Obama Administration has put together a strike team of democratic lawmakers to sell the Embattled Health care law to a skeptical public. Well speak with an architect of obama care in the next segment. But joining me now is kentucky senator rand paul. Senator, welcome back to Fox News Sunday. Good morning. Before we get to obama care, i want to talk to you about your trip to detroit this week where you helped open the first of what are going to be several republican Outreach Centers in inner cities. You also unveiled your plan for Economic Freedom zones in depressed areas. Lets take a look at that plan. You would set a flat individual and Corporate Tax rate in those depressed areas of 5 . Give parents more School Choice and education tax credits. And loosen visa rules to encourage foreign sbe pentrepre to open businesses. Senator, while critics say those are all good ideas, youve got to pour more government money into those inner cities if youre going to make a difference. Well, chris, it hasnt worked. I mean, the president poured a trillion dollars into the nations economy. When you divided it out it was about 400,000 per job. The problem with a government stimulus is you pick the winners and losers. With this stimulus that im talking about, a free market stimulus, you simply leave the money in the hands of those who earned it. So the customers have actually picked out the successful people, the ones they choose to buy products from. Those people get more money. Like i met a young man, young africanamerican man who has his own restaurant. His first question is, do you have any tax breaks for me for my business . Thats what this would do. It would help people who are already in business and trying. I dont have to tell you, senator, that republicans have a steep hill to climb in inner city neighborhoods. In the city of detroit in november, 97 of detroit voters supported president obama. 2 voted for romney. The black Unemployment Rate nationally is still 12. 5 . And right now president obama is calling out the gop for what he says is your partys refusal to extend longterm Unemployment Benefits. Take a look at what he said this week. For decades, congress has voted to offer relief to job seekers. Including when the Unemployment Rate was lower than it is today. But now that economic lifeline is in jeopardy. All because republicans in this congress, which is on track to be the most unproductive in history, have so far refused to extend it. Senator, let me ask you a direct question. Do you personally, do you support extending Unemployment Benefits, or would you let 1. 3 million americans lose those benefits before the end of the year . I do support Unemployment Benefits for the 26 weeks that theyre paid for. If you extend it beyond that you do a disservice to these workers. There was a study that came out a few months ago, and it said if you have a worker thats been unemployed for four weeks and on Unemployment Insurance and one thats on 99 weeks, which would you hire . Every employer, nearly 100 , said they will always hire the person whos been out of work four weeks. When you allow people to be on Unemployment Insurance for 99 weeks, youre causing them to become part of this perpetual Unemployed Group in our economy. And it really while it seems good, it actually does a disservice to the people youre trying to help. I dont doubt the president s motives. But black unemployment in america is double white unemployment. And it hasnt budged under this president. Senator a lot of africanamericans voted for him, but i dont think its worked. I dont think his policies have worked. Senator, how do you persuade the africanamerican voter in the inner city youre not going to spend more government money, youre going to vote to let the the Unemployment Benefits lapse, how do you persuade that black voter, this is good for them . This is the right policy . My economic stimulus plan for detroit would leave over a billion dollars in detroits economy and would stimulate detroit. There is no other plan on the table. And theres not going to be some grand bail out thats going to go through congress. Other than my plan, if my plan would pass, i think its the only one that politically could pass, over a billion dollars would be left in detroit. Im also talking about restoring voting rights. Im talking about School Choice. I think theres a lot to offer in the republican message that hasnt been offered in the past. And i think theres only upside potential for voters in detroit or all the big cities for republicans. Senator, you face the same challenge when it comes to obama care. You and most of your colleagues in the senate and the house, republican colleagues, want to repeal the law. But the other side says that if you were to do that, that you would take away Preventative Care for 105 million americans. Free Preventative Care. Lets put it up on the screen. Obama care provides Health Services to 105 million americans including free immunization for children, free cancer screenings, free mammograms. Question. What is your plan that would allow these folks, the 105 million americans, to keep those benefits . First of all, there is nothing for free. Youre going to pay for it. Were paying for it through higher premiums. Were also going to find out in january that more people will lose their insurance under obama care, i think, than will actually gain it. The republican plan is freedom of choice. More choices, not less. Obama care narrows your choices. Were for competition. Were for selling insurance across state lines. And above all, were for driving premiums down. The problem under the old system was premiums were too high. Under obama care the premiums are even higher. I dont see any way obama care can work. Let me turn to another subject. Drones. Last march you famously took to the senate floor for 13 hours to filibuster a nomination because of your opposition to the military use of drones to attack u. S. Citizens. This week, as im sure you know, jeff bezos, the head were looking at a picture of the drone right there of amazon announced that they have plans, a hope, maybe five years down the road, that drones would come pick up a package, a book, a sweater, and deliver it to your front door where you could you could take it instead of a delivery truck. When you see that, and im sure you have seen those videos, does that excite you or do you think to yourself, thats a problem and ive got to find a way to block it . Well, you know, im not against technology. Im not one of these people who says, oh, unmanned airplanes is really a bad thing. There will be air Traffic Control issues. My problem is more with surveillance for privacy reasons. Not with delivering of packages. So im worried about the government looking into our backyard. Im also worried about private Companies Looking and counting and looking in our windows. I have said previously, this has nothing to do with amazon, but that a rules on peeping toms will have to be applied to higher technology. There has to be a certain extension of your privacy. Not only your house, but your yard and the things that you do that really people shouldnt be able to observe all of the time. And so there will have to be rules on private entities, but really most particularly im concerned about the government looking at our activities. We also learned this week, another revelation from edward snowden, that the nsa collects records on cell phones. 4 billion cell phone records outside the country every day. And that they can also track where those cell phones are so they can track where people are. Big picture. How severely would you like to restrict the surveillance by the National Security agency . I would like to apply the Fourth Amendment to thirdparty records. I dont think you give up your privacy when someone else holds your records. When i have a contract with a phone company, i think those are still my records. And you can look at them if youre from the government if you ask a judge. But the most important thing is, a warrant applies to one person. A warrant doesnt apply to everyone in america. So its absolutely against the spirit and the letter of the Fourth Amendment to say that a judge can write one warrant and you can get every phone call in america. Thats whats happening. I think its wrong. It goes against everything america stands for. And i will help to fight that all the way to the Supreme Court. And we need the Supreme Court to reexamine privacy, the Fourth Amendment and our records. So you would ban, if you could, mass data mining. This huge vacuum hoovering up of information . Im for going after terrorists with every tool we have. Im not opposed to the nsa. Im not opposed to spying. But i am in favor of the Fourth Amendment. If we think someones a terrorist, you call a judge. You get a warrant. If that persons called 100 people, you get 100 more warrants. If theyve called 10,000 people, you got to get 10,000 individual warrants. And its a pain. But its a pain because were trying to protect peoples freedom. Were trying to proetect the bil of rights. Thats what were fighting against terrorism to protect. We cant give up the bill of rights in order to try to fight terrorism. You have to keep your privacy. You have to keep the bill of rights sf rights. Finally, senator, you knew i was going to ask about this. 2016. You said this week your wife, kelly, is strongly opposed to your running for president. I know how important that is if your wife doesnt like an idea. You said youre going to try to, quote, persuade her during the next year. I got to say, talking to you on camera and off, i get the distinct impression you would like to run for president. Well, you know, the thought has crossed my mind, chris. I am seriously thinking about it. But im also very serious about the family considerations. You know, just just look at what happens daily to any politician in america. You talk about how uncivil things are. I mean, they really are. They do take a toll on family. It is a big consideration. I really am not sure what will happen. Well go another year. Sometimes you have a good week. The next week they pound you to death. You know, the haters and the hacks go after you. Its like, you know, it is really an ordeal to be in public life sometimes. There are great things to be part of the debate over the Fourth Amendment in the institution. I love that stuff. I also hate it, when you, when family is attacked and when they get into the news and so do they. To follow up on that, sir, would it be fair to say that family considerations at this point, at least, are the only thing that would keep you from running . Theyre a major component of the discussion, but a lot of things enter into it, you know. Well see what happens over the next year. But i really am going to keep doing the things i am doing. Trying to help fight for jobs in kentucky as well as across america. And ill just keep doing the things that i want to do and i think the people of kentucky elected me to do. I just am not ready to make a decision yet. Senator paul, thank you. Thanks for joining us. Always a pleasure to talk with you, sir. Thanks. Up next, the website is working better. But are obama cares problems solved . Dr. Ezequiel emanuel, one of the laws architects, returns to Fox News Sunday. Plus, today marks ten years since ive joined the fox family. Good morning and welcome to Fox News Sunday volume 2. Oh, my gosh. Well, well have some of the highlights from the past decade later in the program. Wed like you to logon to facebook and share some of your favorite moments on your page. And well be right back. [ male announcer ] how could switchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and the Aerospace Industry in the u. S. . At t. Rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. Its just one reason over 70 of our mutual funds beat their 10year lipper average. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. Request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. 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Isnt a 10 error rate still a serious problem . Well, as i understand it, theyre working very hard on those socalled 834 forms. And, second of all, theyre working with the insurers to clean up that information. And they did push that a little further down, which they have time to do because they dont need to get the information to them for another few weeks. And theyre both working really hard to solve that problem. In addition, they identified one bug that seemed to be causing a large portion its still a problem, would you agree, a 10 error rate . Look, theyre solving problems. In october you said they couldnt solve the problem of signing up. They have gone a long way i never said that. Youre making that up, dr. Emanuel. Now they decidedly put this second and theyre addressing it. Okay. Let me that i can the point. I never said they couldnt fix it. Im just simply pointing out it isnt fixed and theres still a 10 error rate. Lets get into that. You talked about the fact that the government sends nightly 834 forms, enrollment forms, to the insurers, which tell them how many people have signed up, who they are, all the information. But it turns out that somebody that some people are just left off entirely. Thats called an orphan report. Isnt it the fact, isnt it certainly a real possibility, that thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of people who think theyve signed up, these socalled orphans, may end up on january 1st not having coverage . Its an interesting issue. When we did the Medicare Part d under president bush that was the drug benefit for seniors, there were a lot of seniors who were left out and actually did get their drug refills, and there were millions of people at that that had problems during that switchover. These are large switchovers. The government has said, i believe medicare has said, its very important to call the Insurance Company you have to verify that you have. In addition, in this case, theyre sending out information with cards so people know whether theyre covered or not. I think theyre working diligently, but the insurers and the government to make sure people dont find themselves on january 1st or january 2nd without coverage. Thats an important thing. Everyone is trying to Work Together to solve the problem. Were trying to make this thing work. If theres going to be no glitches, i dont think anyone has that unrealistic expectation. I know when i got my iphone, there were lots of glitches. They sent updates for that. This happens with large scale enrollment of millions of people. I think theres a diligent effort now on everyones part to reduce the chance of people being left off. All right. One of the keys to obama care, everybody says, is youve got to get young, Healthy People to sign up. Lets put this up on the screen. A new poll by the Harvard Institute of politics finds only 20 of 18 to 29yearolds say they will definitely or probably enroll. 47 say they will definitely or probably not sign up. Now, you have acknowledged the fact that if you dont get young people to sign up, theres the danger of whats called a death spiral. Not enough people young people sign up, there are too many older, sicker people. Premiums go up. More young, Healthy People get off. And you end up eventually with a pool of just older, sicker people with sky high premiums. That is a real possibility, is it not . I dont think its a real possibility. Let me identify several points why i think that poll is not a very useful piece of information. Its from the Harvard Institute of politics. In california when they looked actually at the number of enrollees and broke them down by age, the number of enrollees of young adults, i think it was 18 to 34, matched the population in california that you would expect. Thats exactly what you want to be seeing. Thats not a poll. Thats actual signing up. Second of all, if you actually look at can i just i dont mean to interrupt. I want to put up some numbers. I want to speak directly to that point before you move on. Then ill let you move on. Put up this number. Obama care needs 7 Million People to sign up. Thats what the president said over and over. No, no, no. Thats what the Congressional Budget Office projected would sign up. Okay. Thats not what anyone said you need. Theres a difference between need and projected. Ive heard the white house spokesman talk repeatedly about 7 million. If i may, sir, please. You dont want me to interrupt you. All right. You need 2. 7 million of those people to be between the ages of 18 and 34. That is a percentage. 2. 7 million. Of the 7 million of 39 . In california. Of the pool. 39 . In california, the pool so far is only 23 . Its barely half of the 39 you need to have the right mix of young people. Your california example is completely wrong, sir. Its not completely wrong. It matches the population i dont care whether it matches the population. It doesnt matter. What obama care has said that you need in the pool to keep a sustainable fiscally sustainable number. I think there is going to be a fiscally sustainable number. And the other thing that i think you need to keep in mind is that the 18 to 34, a large number of those people are going to be on their parents plan and not going to be buying insurance all on their own, up to age 26. Youre concentrated in a group of 26 to 34yearolds. And that, i think, is where you need to get them to purchase with their own money. And that, i do, think is a group that youre going to be able to get. Let me just say one other thing. Here are three reasons i think people in that age group are going to sign up. First, you do have a penalty. Now, everyone talks about 95. But the fact is its 1 of income which for most people is going to be more than 95. Second of all, you do have subsidies for almost for many of these people that is going to make the price look very low and be very low. For example, if youre a 30yearold in california, you can get a silver plan. You make about 150 of the poverty line. You get a silver plan for 50 a month. Third, given the Preventative Services and other things, that premium actually is something you can easily cover by using by using the Preventative Services, where all society benefits because people are getting Preventative Care. I think actually theres many reasons for people to sign up that they will sign up. And i just want to let me finish. I have to move on. One more thing id like to point out. No one has launched a big pr campaign to get these people signed up because of the problems with the federal website. We are about to launch a big pr campaign. And that, i think, is going to persuade a lot of people to sign up. I would simply point out the harvard poll says only 20 say theyre going to sign up. And in california so far in california its only 20 . Your 39 figure i understand the Obama Campaign slogan was hope. At this point thats all you seem to have. We havent had a campaign. We have four more months to go till the end of march. President obama famously promised, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Doesnt that turn out to be just as false, just as misleading, as his promise about if you like your plan you can keep your plan . Isnt it a fact, sir, that a number, most, in fact, of the Obama Care Health plans that are being offered on the exchanges exclude a number of doctors and hospitals to lower costs . The president never said you were going to have unlimited choice of any doctor in the country you want to go to. No. He asked a question. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Did he not say that, sir . He didnt say you could have unlimited choice. Its a simple yes or no question. Didnt he say if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor . Yes. But look, if you want to pay more for an Insurance Company that covers your doctor, you can do that. This is a matter of choice. We know in all sorts of places you pay more for certain for a wider range of choices or wider range of benefits. The issue isnt the selective networks. People keep saying, oh, the problem is youre going to have a selective network. If you lose your doctor or lose your hospital. Let me just say something. People are going to have a choice as to whether they want to pay a certain amount for a selective network or pay more for a broader network. Which means your premiums will probably go up. They get that choice. Which means your premium may go up over what you were paying so that, in other words no one guaranteed you that your premium wouldnt increase. Premiums have been going up. The president guaranteed me i could keep my doctor. And if you want to, you can pay for it. Under president bush, premiums went up 80 after inflation. We have actually seen a levels off of Health Care Costs and premiums in the last few years because of changes that have been made. Finally as a matter of fact, choice is something we all understand and we all understand that for more choice, more benefits, you have to pay more. Final question. Last week, you had this to say about the website. Lets put it up on the screen. For the first time, and most importantly, we actually have effective management overseeing. We have an integrator thats independent. It seem to be effective as opposed to having cms, centers for medicare and medicaid services, run it. Which seems to be saying, if i can interpret what youre saying, finally weve got somebody who knows what hes doing in charge. Question, should the president fire either hhs secretary Kathleen Sebelius or cms administrator marilyn tavenner. I think not having an independent integrator without that expertise and not having a ceo was a mistake. I think the president recognized it. They put jeff should someone be held accountable . The president is running his ship. Hes going to decide how hes going to do it. Most companies when they decide right the ship and then decide what has to happen. Hell make a decision. Hell make a decision if hes going to find someone else to run hes already committed to have someone a new ceo to run the website. And the federal exchanges. And i think that is an excellent decision to replace jeff zeints when he goes to the National Economic council. Its quite clear you need someone who can manage that and really run it. Dr. Emanuel, thank you. Thank you again for coming in sir. No problem. Its always interesting. Good. Up next, our sunday panel joins the discussion on obama care. And the president s pivot back to Economic Issues. Plus, what would you like to ask the panel . Just go to twitter foxnewssunday and we may use your question on the air. Capital to make it happen . Without the thinking that makes it real . Whats a vision without the expertise to execute it. And the financing to make it grow . Whatever your goal, it can change more than your business. It can change the future. Thats why, at barclays, our ambition is to always realize yours. If you dont think we should raise the minimum wage, lets hear your idea to increase peoples earnings. If you dont think every child should have access to preschool, tell us what youd do differently to give them a better shot. President obama once again challenging republicans to tell their plans to help the middle class. Its time now for our sunday group. Fox news senior political analyst brit hume. Julie pace who covers the white house for the associated press. Syndicat syndicated columnist george will and fox news political analyst juan williams. Well well, the president is still talking about obama care. This week he made a big pivot again to Economic Issues talking about raising the minimum wage, extending Unemployment Benefits. Brit, when he did this a couple of years ago, assumed the selfproclaimed manhole of champion of the middle class, it helped him win reelection in o 2012. Do you think it can help democrats win in 2014 . What hes basically saying, you heard it there was, if you dont like my plans for my agenda, give us your plans for my agenda. My sense is that that will not meet with much with much success. At least certainly in the house of representatives. I think it is more than anything at this point, this pivot to the economy, in particular on the issue of income inequality, is an attempt to change the subject from obama care, which has so dominated the news for the past several months. And to rout his base. Which is always what he does first. Sometimes thats all hes needed to do. But my sense is that hes not going to be able to make this into the big National Issue that the party with win on because his credibility is so weak. The issue in that harvard poll of young people you talked about, there was one of those open ended questions about what is your top priority. Income inequality was way down the list. I think it is way down the list for a lot of people. Now, a president with the bully pulpit can sometimes elevate an issue and make it a big National Issue and so on. But i think hes weakened now. The bully pulpit is a depreciating say set for him. Itll hard to do that. Julie, it did work back in 2011. You have the debt debacle in august 2011. Started championing the middle class in september out in kansas. It really boosted his standing. When you talk to folks in the white house, i want to pick up on what brit said, do they say theyre trying to change the subject . Do they actually think realistically theres a chance that they can raise the minimum wage and extend Unemployment Benefits . Or is this just political positioning . I think theres a little bit of all of that in the strategy here. Certainly they are looking for things that they can talk about that are separate from health care. They really need to show that not only are they focused on other things, but, you know, that they have the space to talk about other things. The second part of it, when you talk to americans and look at po polling, the economy still is a top issue. He needs to be focussed on things that matter to americans. Even though jobs reports have come out and other metrics that show improvement in the economy, a lot of people are not feeling that. In terms of whether he can get anything done, minimum wage, universal prek, i think thats going to be very difficult over the next year. It will come down to the talking about it helps democrats enough or do they actually need to be able to pass something . Weve got to note, though, whatever he wants to pivot from, all the problems with obama care are still around. And this week the president had a very interesting analysis of why the rollout went so badly. Take a look. The challenge, i think, that we had Going Forward is not so much my personal management style or particular issues around white house organization, it actually has to do with what i referred to earlier which is we had these big agencies. Some of which are outdated, some of which are not designed properly. Not to put too fine a point on it, george. But its those outdated agencies the president talks about that he, under obama care, is going to have oversee, what, about a sixth of the economy. The education of this president is a protracted and often amusing process as it was this week. As he continues to alight upon the obvious with a sense of profound and original discovery. Hes alighting on what is obvious to governors. This is really why we should have governors more often and senators as president. The president is saying the trouble with Big Government is its so darn big. Like a lot of big org nichls, dinosaurs spring to mind. It has a simple nervous system. Its governed by inertia. Hard to move. This from a man whos devoted his life to increasing the power of government as an instrument to the redistribution of income because the government is wiser than markets. Highly amusing. We have being asking all of you to send us questions to ask the panel. We have one we want to put on the screen from sal russo on twitter. Who asks, other than hope, what substantive argument do the aca, Affordable Care act, supporters have that the law will work as intended . Juan, how do you answer skip . I think you deserve a straight answer. Theres such a snowstorm of partisan Politics Around the obama care thing right now. So id say the number one thing i would say is, just look at this week. A Million People went to the website as it was working. So theres obviously an appetite, a real need. 30 Million People uninsured. Millions more inadequately insured who can avoid bankruptcy and illnesses as a result. Number two, the reason i think this is going to work is it doesnt disrupt the market for most people. Nobody on this panel is going to have their health care affected, impacted, by whats taking place. What we have here is 70 have employer provided insurance. And that stays in place right now. Then id say, third, massachusetts. The republican model worked. And has high Approval Ratings in the state. Fourth, id say the Insurance Companies are invested in this. The Insurance Companies actually want this to work. What weve seen, and my last point on this is, that the cost of health care increased has declined over the last few years as weve seen. Preexisting conditions now removed. Weve seen that you can keep your kids on your insurance plan. And weve seen that the Insurance Companies cant say theres a cap to your spending. Do you agree with juans answer to skip, george . The answer to skip is Public Relations. We heard it this morning. The solution to all these problems, including the adverse selection you documented with the numbers is public relation. People just dont understand. Thats the administrations view. The glories of this. The problem is theyve been selling the glories of this since 2009. It continues not only to be unpopular, but be more unpopular today than it was then. Their belief in the magic of words and Public Relations is running up against a lot of evidence. Julie . Well, i think that this has been a problem for them since the very beginning. How do you sell something that is very complex to people. Insurance is complex whether youre talking about your private insurance run by your employer or im going to interrupt to say there was that other moment of apparent learning curve when the president said, boy, buying insurance is really complicated. Turns out its not as easy as going on kayak or getting a plane ticket. Pr campaign is going to be very interesting. Its targeted towards the young invincible. Young, Healthy People. These are the people that during president ial campaigns, they have proven to be very good at getting them out to vote. Thats a much different exercise, though, than getting people to sign up for health insurance. Brit, is it possible, let me take brother williams position here, that all of the critics are all wrong and the fact is the website is going to start to work and its all going to work and well look back at this in six months and say, what were we scared of . Well, i think eventually it will work for some people. Theyll find subsidized policy that is to their liking. Because it will cost a reasonable amount from their point of view for what theyre getting. Theyre going to be winners under obama care in the fullness of time. The problem for the president is that the kind of negative emotions that are stirred as we saw so vividly with the policy cancellations for individual policies began to roll in. Weve got another wave of that. Juan says none of us on this panel will lose our policies. Perhaps not. But millions of people who get employee sponsored health care are going to lose it. This means youre going to have another wave of very bad news that are going to further affect peoples feelings about this program. And i think the losers are going to be a more powerful force politically than the winners. All right. Thank you, panel. To be continued. When we come back, well hear from pik botha. A top official in south africas Apartheid Regime who served in Nelson Mandelas government. Hell tell some stories youve never heard before. My view is that programs change, but our values dont change. You never feel very far away from the job. It follows you wherever you go. Well be right back. [ male announcer ] this is a leatherwrapped steering wheel. This is a heated leather seat. This is a secret storage space. This is another. This is 8. 4 inches of goanywhere. This is 20 inches of waterfording talent. This is armor. This is 31 miles per gallon, highway. This is the freedom to keep chasing all the horizons you want. Introducing the allnew jeep cherokee. South africans at houses of worship for a national day of prayer and reflection to honor Nelson Mandela. Pik botha was south africas foreign minister in the last years of apartheid. He helped engineer mandelas release from prison and was invuted by mandela to serve in his biracial government. We interviewed botha earlier this year in anticipation of mandelas passing. Here again, bothas reflections starting with mandelas goal of a rainbow nation. Suddenly, the sun was shining with a rainbow. I think thats how the thought originated. In the mind of mr. Mandela and Bishop Desmond tutu, it was the recognition from our side and on the side of mr. Mandela and his colleagues that to continue our hostilities and acrimony would mean the destruction of this country and would lead to a civil war that no one would wish to go. Reporter as botha recalls, mandelas message of peace predated the 90s in the early 60s following years of action against apartheid he made his famous speech at the dock that would lead to his imprisonment. He said, i afford against white domination. And i afford against black domination. I have challenged the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. And then he concluded by saying, this is an ideal i hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which im prepared to die. Reporter mandela was an icon. But he had a very human side, too. As botha was to find out when he reached out to mandela during his president ial years. Mandela is no angel. No humans are angels. His second divorce, i think in march 1996, i got a message that he felt extremely lonely. So i phoned him. He answered the phone. Not his secretary. And i then conveyed my condolences and wished him strength to observe absorb this event now. And assistance, you know, empathy, friendship. The only time, first time he started to sob on the phone. And hes a human being. Reporter a few years later, mandela returned the favor. I was operated on in 1998 for prostate cancer. Mr. Mandela had the same operation while he was in prison. And when i woke up on labor day 1998, here the president was next to my hospital bed. He took my hand, and he said to me, i have come to see how you are. But your doctors say you are okay. Im so glad, he said. I went through the same ordeal. Now, get better. We still need each other. Reporter for all the human side of mandela, its his superhuman qualities that dazzle even botha. Especially recalling what mandela did with all that time in jail. He has the capacity to spend 27 years in prison, come out of that prison, and lead a country governed by whites since the first settlers landed here in 1652. In such a way that he was adored by all of the people in this country, ir respectable of the color of their skin. He has that capacity in him, and he never boasted. He remained a humble, very, very humble human being. Reporter impressive to botha was mandelas willingness to forgive and work with adversaries. Mandela made botha a minister in south africas first multiracial government. Botha once famously said he could work with a black president. Indirectly, i predicted this. I had the privilege of experiencing it. In the cabinet here, while he was president , we he supported me on several occasions, irrespective of matters on which cabinet members belong to the severely attacked or opposed some of the steps i wanted to take. Reporter it is mandelas legacy of reconciliation that botha thinks could be the late leaders finest contribution. I think this country can be grateful for all the tremendous value and values which he brought to south africa as regards proper government, proficient government, forgiveness in the sense of dont let revenge be the parts that rule you or influence your decisions. It will hamper progressive decisions. Not promote it. Thats his symbolism. Thats what he stands for. If youd like to read more of pik bothas reflections on mandela, go to foxnews. Com fns. Up next, a look back at ten years, spending sundays together. [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact Life Expectancy in the u. S. , real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany . At t. Rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. Its just one reason over 70 of our mutual funds beat their 10year lipper average. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. Request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. It was ten years ago i first sat at this desk and started sharing sunday mornings with you. And i feel like weve been through this together. Because you certainly let me know when you like what were doing. And you really let me know when you dont. Heres a look back at some of our favorite moments. The good, the bad and a few surprises. Thank you very much for having me on. I really appreciate being the first democrat on the show. Why didnt you do more to put bin laden and al qaeda out of business when you were president . You did foxs bidding on this show. You did your lifelong conservative hit job on me. What i want to know wait, i had a question. It was a perfectly legitimate question. I want to know how many people in the Bush Administration you asked this question. Dr. Rice, all the talk about the nuclear program, all the talk about aluminum tubes was wrong. The intelligence at the time, chris, it is the fact you can only act today on what you knew yesterday. Six weeks ago we started something called the obama watch. The amount of time that had passed since senator obama said he would come on Fox News Sunday. Thank you for having me. Long time no see. What if president obama goes after you as gordon gecko. Greed is good. Of course he will. Were winding down two wars. I understand that. And youre talking of savings nobody thought you would spend anyway. Its a budget gimmick, sir. Are you going back to the battle days of the kremlin. And when netanyahu requested a meeting the president said he was too busy to meet with him. Let me address let me ask the question. I thought you had, im sorry. No, i havent. Therell be a question mark at the end. What about the right to privacy the court found in 1965. Theres in right to privacy in the institution. In the griswold case the court said there was. Indeed it did. That was wrong. You have the most liberal voting record in the senate in 2005. And youre still called i dont know if thats a compliment or not. A liberal lion of the senate. You never feel very far away from the job. It follows you wherever you go. I do feel i feel somewhat out of the bubble. You see right now, we currently have this area set up where theres two beds available for the president and first lady. May i . Go ahead. The hope diamond. To the top of the capitol dome. Just reopened to the public on a limited basis for the First Time Since 9 11. You walked up, i thought a little too close to an unexploded bomb. These arent hollywood special effects. No, no. You were risking your life. Hold it up there. I see a lot of smiles. It seems it doesnt seem like a downer. Oh, no, its not. This is a happy place. Last year was the best year of my life. I got the love and support of a lot of people. Your 42nd birthday. And we have a youve got to be kidding me. Oh, my god. Where did you get that . Well, we actually i was up all night making it. You want to cut into that sucker . I dont eat sweets. I asked to go after that they would do that without [ cell phone ringing ] mrs. Cheney is giving you a phone call. Thats the first time on fox news. Brit hume doesnt act this way. Sergeant chastein. There you go. When we sang happy birthday winston always thought it was for him. He loved to play in the snow. He loved to get up on a couch and look out the window at the traffic. And my father used to say, growing old isnt for sissies, is it . No. Its not for sissies, but, you know, there are a lot of benefits. Its a great book. It is a great life. I couldnt be prouder of both. And i love you. I love you. And im proud of you. I dont have a glamorous lifestyle or anything. And do you miss that . No, im old. Old . What are you . 46. What am i . A dinosaur. And it seems we have some more cake left over from our wildly unsuccessful paul ryan Birthday Celebration stunt. Who is that good looking fellow on there . I think hes a young fellow. Well, actually, its a current picture. You always like to chop my head off. Here. Im worried that you have a knife at all. Congratulations on a great ten years. Absolutely. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thats it for today and for the first ten years, thank you. Thank you so much for watching. Hav. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to mornings on 2. It is sunday, december 8th, i am mike mibach. I am claudine wong. We are experiencing difficults. We will run a cut in for you. We apologize for any inconvenience this brings to our viewers. 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