guns and the budget. we'll discuss it with senators in charge of counting votes. plus, new threats to peace on the korean peninsula. we'll have a live report and ask our sunday panel about new developments that raise tensions higher. and hour power player of the week. a high school senior uses tennis to help children cope with a serious disorder, all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. the so-called gang of eight, four republican senators and four democrats, releases its plan for a comprehensive immigration reform. at stake, border security. the status of immigrants in the country illegally and votes of millions of hispanics. it's already drawing heated criticism. joining us, senator marco rubio, who is in coral gables, florida. welcome back back to "fox news sunday." >> good to be back. >> the gang of eight plan has a tough border enforcement component. 90% apprehension, 100% surveillance. >> it's important to under the border is broken into nine sectors. in some that's achieved today for different measures, in others, at at least three sectors are far from that. our plan outlines, if it fails, the homeland security will lose control of the issue and it will be turned over to a border commission made up of local officials from the states most impacted. they'll have money set aside to solve it for those people. we're confident it's achievable. it will take time but it is not just border security. you have to think about e verify, a universal e verify. 40% of illegal immigrants came legally and over stayed. all three work together and have to happen. >> back to the border as an example. you say it's a trigger, 90% apprehension rate has to be certified by the department of homeland security before the 11 million illegal, a decade from now, can apply for green cards but the democrats on your gang of eight, including dick durbin say it's not a trigger, 80s goal that they have to be working towards. is it a trigger that has to be met or a goal? >> yeah. let me tell you why it's a trigger. homeland security will have five years to meet that goal. if after five years homeland security has not met that number, it will trigger the border commission who will take over the issue. they'll have five years to get it doone and have to create a fence plan, a fence component, and a border security plan. if at the five year mark they have not achieved that, they lose the issue to the border commission who has money set aside to finish the job. understand that it includes as part of the trigger, e verify and entry exit. all three work together to ensure the enforcement system. >> the other side, while illegals have to wait probably 15 years before they can become citizens, they get temporary legal status, called probationary legal status, as soon as the department of homeland security announces it has this plan, that it's going to begin this plan, and that's within months. question, why isn't that amnesty? you're giving legal status to people who have broken the law. most people in washington think once they have that status, even if called temporary, it will anytime get revoked. >> that's where people misunderstand. they don't get anything. they get the opportunity to apply. they have to qualify, pass background checks and pay a registration fee, pay a fine and renew it. this is not forever. this is a renewable thing. they don't qualify for any federal benefits. no federal benefits, no food stamps, welfare or obamacare. they have to prove they're gainfully em employed and support themself. they have to do that to keep that status. the only thing that happens is they will have to stay in that status until at least ten years elapses and the triggers are met. all that has to happen and the only thing they get is a chance to apply for a green card via the immigration system. we do not award anything to anyone. >> again, the critics say once they have this status, nobody will revoke that saying once they met the standards, paying back taxes, paying a fine, they've got a job, nobody will revoke this. i'll put up what a critic said. i would vote against anything that grants amnesty because i destroys ability to enforce the existing law and it's unfair to people standing in line waiting to come in legally. you said that in 2009. >> i still agree with it. this is not amnesty. that's the forgiveness of something. it's anything that says do it illegally. here's what people need to understand. under the existing law, if you're illegally in the united states, you are not prohibited from getting a green card and citizenship but you have to go back home, wait ten years and apply. all we're saying is we're going to create an alternative. that's in place but we'll create an alternative that says you'll have to wait more than ten years, pay the fine, pay registration fees and be gainfully employed. after all that, you don't get to apply for anything until the enforcement mechanisms are in place. i argue it will be cheaper, faster and easier for people to go back home and wait ten years than this process. that's why it's not amnesty. we don't award anything. you have to apply for it. that's the key distinction. i agree, if somehow being in the country illegally is cheaper, easier and quicker than the right way, i wouldn't support that. that's why i haven't sported efforts in the past. >> you mentioned briefly, the question of cost. conservative critics, including the heritage foundation think tank say your plan is going to be a budget buster. they say that these immigrants, once they get legal status, will get federal welfare programs, qualify for obamacare, that this is a net drain on our treasury. >> first of all that's obviously -- we don't have a bill so i don't think they've issued an analysis but that's not true. not only do you not qualify for federal benefits while in the illegal status. under existing law you don't quality on a green card. second, in order to quality -- keep the legal status, you must be gainfully employed and tague taxes. in order to get a green card you must prove you've been gainfully employed and can support yourself. the other point i would make, any -- conservatives love dynamic scoring, saying you look at a budget issue not just for the cost but the benefits. that's what we've pushed for. for example, when we talk about tax cuts we don't think tax cuts cost the government money, it generates more revenue creating economic growth. i'm asking for the plan to be reviewed through the same standard, the same conservative dine in i can scoring because i'm confident if you do that, and some have started doing that, you will find when with we reform the legal immigration system, we get people here now paying taxes and not tague taking anything out of the system, it's a net positive now and in the future. >> senator, you clearly are at least considering running for president in 2016. isn't this -- >> says who? >> part? >> says who? >> well. >> i said who says i'm considering that? >> are you considering it? >> i told people i haven't even thought about that. that's a decision far in the future. at some point -- listen, i have to decide whether i want to run for reelection. go ahead. >> that's all right. i interrupt you, you can interrupt me. let's assume you're at least considering the idea of you running for president in 2016. wouldn't this hurt you in republican primaries? >> i don't know. i haven't thought about it that way. i can tell you i've been elected to do a job. my job in the senate is not just speeches and interviews, it's to solve problems. anyone who thinks immigration is not a problem is fooling themselves. what we have in place is not good for anyone except human traffickers and people hiring illegal ail lens. they're the only people benefiting. this issue needs to be solved. as far as those undocumented, we can try to round up people and deport them which is not doable for 11 million people, make life miserable to they self report. we can leave it the way it is now. it's more expensive than reform or figure out a way to deal with it so it never happens again and it's not unfair to people doing it the right way. that's a conservative position and i think if we explain this to people and what it does, we can gain a lot of support. >> we have a couple minutes left and i want to get through other issues. a lightning round. quick questions. you voted to filibuster the gun bill. does that mean you'll vote against the manchin, toomey compromise to expand background checks when it comes coming up. >> i haven't read it but i'm skeptical of plans that deal with the 2nd amendment. they end up impeding the rights of people to bear arms and do nothing to criminals. criminals don't care about the law. >> you have supported background checks in the florida legislature. >> yeah. but those checks in florida are for people with concealed wells permit. you do a background check. are they going to honor that in all 50 states? do i have to undergo another background check or will mine be defacto proof i'm not a criminal. the bigger point is we're missing a golden opportunity, focusing on guns. we should focus on violence. guns are used to commit violence but violence is the central problem. >> so in lightning round rules, how do you stop violence? >> i hope to focus on mental illness, prosecution. are we going to prosecute people to tried to buy guns and failed a background check? these are things we need to focus on. we need to take a hard look at our culture, at the decline of the american family, impact it's having not just economically but the violence. why are so many people desensitized to murder? i hope we'll be honest and have a good conversation. >> finally, senator. you were one of the group of a dozen senators who had dinner with president obama. would you consider a grand bargain with serious entitlement reform, more serious than the president offered so far, if the cost is that you get more taxes through limiting deductions? >> i don't view it that way. i view it as economic growth. my goal is to get the economy to grow. i'm a believer we he can't cut our way out and we can't tax our way out of this. the only way out of this is robust economic growth combined with fiscal discipline. if this is just a deal where we raise, taxes that hurt growth in exchange for cosmetic changes i i'm not supporting that. the only thing i support is programs that further economic growth. that's the only solution. we need to grow our economy at 4 to 5% sustained over 10 years to solve our problem. of. >> senator rubio, thank you for joining us. we'll track immigration reform for months. please come back, sir. >> thank you. up next, springtime wheeling and dealing on immigration, gun control, the budget, and more. look, every day we're using more and more energy. the world needs more energy. where's it going to come from? ♪ that's why right here, in australia, chevron is building one of the biggest natural gas projects in the world. enough power for a city the size of singapore for 50 years. what's it going to do to the planet? 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>> i believe border security is absolutely conservatively to this picture. and so much of it is regaining the public's confidence that the federal government is doing its job. until that confidence is restored, by -- on the basis of what the legislation provides, i would have difficulty supporting it. but having said that i want to read it and go through the regular process on the judiciary committee and the floor. i'm open to supporting immigration reform. >> chris: senator durbin, let me ask you the same question, is this 90% apprehension rate a trigger or a goal as the others say? >> it's an important question but what marco rubio said put his finger on it. put it in context. our border with mexico is the safest and strongest it's been in 40 years. we have invested billions of dollars into border enforcement, putting more money into border enforcement than the fbi and secret service and tsa and d.e.a. combined yet we say if we don't meet all the measurements, all the goals we've set, we'll put more in. there comes a point we're working with the members of government, making investments, moving toward the type of border security which everyone wants to see in america. conservatives like marco rubio. >> chris: easy question, easy answer. goal or trigger? >> it's both. in terms of saying we're going to shut down the whole system if we don't hit the number, this is a tough thing to measure at some point. we may be within a point or two. we're going to work with the local stakeholders in trying to make sure we make the necessary investments to close the gap. we're committed to it. it was the beginning part of the conversation. every republican at the table said we've got to start with border security, get that right and we'll stick around for the rest of the conversation. i think we've kept the faith. >> let's turn to guns, which is another big issue you're talking about this week. senator cornyn, you met with families of the newtown victims this week and after meeting them you said they wanted mental health reform first. but francine wheeler, mother of one of the young children killed at newtown, delivered the president's weekly radio address or media address. here's what she said. >> our younger son, ben, age 6, was murdered in his first grade classroom december 14th, four months ago this weekend. please help us do something before our tragedy becomes your tragedy. >> chris: senator, in that message, the only thing she mentioned was tougher gun control. >> in my meeting with the sandy hook families, of course who wouldn't be -- who wouldn't have empathy for these people but what they told me is they wanted to make sure their loved one did not die in vain, that something good would come out of this. that's why i'm focused like a laser on the mental health component. >> forgive me but they're focused on tougher gun control. >> adam lanza stole his mother's guns. a background check wouldn't have stopped that incident. a background should have stopped james holmes in tucson, it should have stopped the virginia tech shooter because the back ground check about his mental illness was not forward to the fbi background check. i think the mental illness issue is the common element we ought to focus on. i think we can do good things but i'm not for symbolism over substance. we can't pat ourselves on the back and say we're passing enhanced penalties for trafficking or background checks when they don't solve the problems. >> chris: senator durbin, you and senator cornyn, as the whips in the senate, are the vote counters, the guys who know whether or not there are enough votes. are there enough votes when this comes up this week for you to pass the manchin-toomey compromise on expanded background checks? >> i think john will concede pat toomey of pennsylvania is one of the most conservative members of the republican caucus and joe manchin, the most conservative of the democratic caucus. the two have a proposal supported by 90% of the people in america, supported by 75% of the members of the national rifle association. i hope the 16 senators and even more will step up and join this approach to make sure that the background checks extend beyond where they are today to reach the 40% of firearms sold -- >> chris: do you have the votes? >> we haven't whipped it. when it gets down to it we have to ask, should we try to keep guns out of the hands of felons and people so mentally unstable, they shouldn't own a firearm. >> chris: senator cornyn, do you have the votes to block it? >> i'm interested in the debate and discussion but i would make the point if manchin toomey were the law of the land today, none of the four of the most recent tragedies would have been prevented. >> chris: but he says that doesn't matter. >> what matters to me is did we not just engage in a symbolic act and say we've done something good. i would like to solve the problem by focusing on the common element, mental health. >> chris: let's move on to the budget. the president submitted his budget calling for entitlement reforms and cuts but also more taxes through limiting deductions. here's how house speaker john boehner reacted. >> he wants to hold modest reforms hostage for just another round of tax increases. it's no way to compromise, it's no way to move the country forward and frankly no way to lead. >> senator duran eastbound durbin, you supported chained cpi in the past as a more accurate way to measure cost of living adjustments. if it were a sensible cut and help preserve social security, why not vote for it and split it off? not link it to this question of raising tax as soon as. >> chris, this gets down to the basic. if in fact the republicans are genuine and sincere about dealing with the budget deficit, we have to put everything on the table. the president just did that. the president stuck his neck out and i can tell you he's getting beaten up on the left. what i have said is the chain cpi can be part of our effort to reform social security and make sure it has 75 years of solvency. that's what the president's aiming for. that's what i'm aiming for. but when boehner dismisses this and says if the word tax is in there, grover, norquist and i are leaving. there's no way to run the country or accept a bipartisan responsibility. >> senator cornyn, is the president's budget a starting point, a place to begin negotiations both on entitlement reform and higher taxes? >> on the chain cpi issue, this does represent some modest progress. but you have to recognize the fact this budget was two months late. it raises taxes another trillion dollars or contemplates that and never balances. so i give the president credit that he did put this on the table. but this -- i know dick would agree, chain cpi won't save social security and medicare. >> chris: if they were willing to do more, would you put taxes on the table? >> i would be willing to talk about what a grand bargain would look like. >> chris: including taxes? >> the credit got $6 billion of taxes in january and it's wrong to raise it nor trillion dollars. >> chris: would you be willing? >> i'm happy to talk any day about anything. just about. but i think the president got his tax increase. >> chris: okay. one last issue i want to get in to with both of you, and that is north korea. secretary of state john kerry in seoul this weekend said the u.s. and south korea are willing to return to talks and even consider more aide to north korea if that regime pulls back from its nuclear program. senator durbin, this sounds familiar. do we want counting this path again, more talks and aid? >> the last thing we want is the launch of any nuclear missile or nuclear weapon on the korean peninsula or anywhere in the world. we've got to deescalate the res recognize and testing in -- rhetoric in north korea and we're turning to china saying it's time to step up and show leadership. we're prepared to work toward a common goal of peace. but we need the chinese to tell the north koreans if they want to continue this kind of escalation of rhetoric, it's at the expense of the safety of this world and their economy. i think secretary kerry has it right. we're willing to step forward but we want to see positive measures from the north koreans that bring down the harsh and hot rhetoric we've heard so often. >> chris: senator cornyn, a year ago you accused the obama administration of a policy of apiecement towards north korea. how do you think they're handling the situation? >> a i'm not for paying kim jung un ransom. i'm convinced he'll make a mistake or something would happen which would result in the kind of conflict that dick alluded to. i don't see that this policy of paying ransom has been successful. it's a bad movie. we keep seeing reruns. >> chris: senator durbin, you're chairing a hearing this week about the president's drone policy. do you think that congress should have a role deciding when, where, and who the u.s. strikes with drones? >> yes, i do. i think the constitution's clear. the founding fathers said the people of america will decide when we go through war through members of congress. the drones are a new technology but an age-old question, when is america at war? how far can the war go? who are the combatants. when it comes to targets in foreign lands, does it make a difference if it's an american or not. critical constitutional questions. not my idea, it's the founding fathers. >> we want to thank you you both. you have a lot on your plates. thank you for coming up. >> next, the latest on the threats from north korea. secretary of state john kerry is now in japan for talks on what to do about the threat from pyongyang. we'll get a live report and ask our panel about a softening. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? 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[ male announcer ] call to get u-verse tv for just $19 a month for 2 years with qualifying bundles. rethink possible. >> chris: now the latest on north korea. secretary of state john kerry is in tokyo continuing efforts to defuse tensions in the region. kerry met with chinese leaders set getting support. with greg palkot is attracting developments from seoul. >> secretary kerry is wrapping up a high-stakes diplomatic tour of the region trying to deal with the looming threat of north korea and a possible missile launch. he finished a meeting with the japanese foreign minister and offered a possible resolution of crisis through negotiations. he said north korea has to commit to giving up nukes and said the u.s. is ready to defend itself and allies. he had a stern warning for pyongyang. >> the north has to understand, and i believe must by now, that its threats and its provocations are only going to isolate it further and impoverish it's people even further. >> reporter: north korea and kim jung un responded rejecting the calls and calling it cunning ploy and says not until the united states drops its confrontational attitude. the musudan missiles with a possible reach to guam remains set for use. a u.s. official tells me he doesn't believe a firing is implement but they're mobile launched and ready. a target date for the launch has been monday, the birthday of the founder of north korea, kim ill sun, a possible missile path over japan. secretary kerry wraps up in japan on monday. >> chris: greg palkot reporting live. time for our sunday group, scott brown, democratic strategist marjorie clifton, republican political guru, karl rove, and former democratic senator evan bayh. guru is a nice thing. >> i like that. >> you can call me swami. >> secretary kerry began his visit -- gentlemen, please. began his trip in seoul where the u.s. and south korea would consider talks, even giving more aid to north korea if the are vietnam pulls back from nuclear brinks manship. >> you would engage in bilateral talks under the right circumstances but it's up to our friends to decide what they think those circumstances for them might be. >> chris: senator brown, is that the right signal for us to send to north korea now, bluster enough and we and the south koreans will again give aid and have talks? >> it's like ground hot groundhg day, we've heard it before. every time north korea rattles the swords we have talks and give them more aid. bottom line is china needs to be fully engaged right now and they're not. if they become fully engaged, i do not think they want to see north korea exporting terrorism around the world. >> chris: i want to pick up on the question of china. after kerry was in south korea he went to china and proposed the u.s. would pull defenses out of the region if north korea were going to pull back on nuclear programs. senator bayh, as former member of the intelligence committee, what are the chances china will pressure, really pressure, not just talk about it, it's client state of north korea? >> the chances are good, chris. the problem is it won't get us what we want because the north koreans will never demilitarize. they looked at iraq, a country that did not have nuclear weapons and they don't want to be attacked. the chinese will do enough to manage the situation, but north korea doesn't care about their people starving. they care about regime. >> chris: what struck me about kerry's trip, not just the soft talk but hard talk, that this is unacceptable, is how much it sounded like the george w. bush administration, we say we're not going to accept it but we do accept it. and -- or at least are unable to do anything to stop it. do you think that's fair? >> there are limits to how much you can pretty sure the north koreans. we've over the decades stepped up sanctions. the administration has some available, multilateral or unilateral but this is a difficulty in dealing with a regime by a thug family. 13 years ago the leader of north korea is leading a swiss boarding school where he was a mediocre student and participated in the production of grease, he's acting tough. >> chris: did he have a better haircut? >> apparently not. there's another interesting thing. you mentioned kerry's visit to china. china has given out nice noises in the last 48, 72 hours but it's a sign of the difficulty. they came as a result of kerry saying, if you get north korea to do something positive we're open to withdrawing the missile defenses we extended to cover korea and japan. this is a sign of the difficulty. it may make china feel good but it doesn't make seoul and tokyo happy. >> marjorie. >> i agree kim jong il has a prepubescent identity crisis and the nuclear weapons are a means to make his place on the world stage but it's tenuous. we don't know how crazy they are because frankly we haven't dealt with the same as iran or pakistan. it worked for them to say we've got a nuclear power, this got them the foreign aid, but if they want to be a power player, have economic relevance on the international stage, it is the only tool. >> chris: senator bayh, you were a former member of the intelligence community. we had confusion about whether or not north korea has capacity. they had missiles and nuclear bombs, but the defense intelligence agency thinks they have a war head capability to put a nuclear weapon on the tip of a missile. then the defense and director of national intelligence pushed back, the white house pushed back. as a former member of the senate intelligence what do you make that have? >> it reflects the difficult of assessing what's going on in north korea. you have different opinions within our intelligence services. the dia has one, the cia another. there's no consensus right now. that's -- even the dia only has moderate reliability. this is the challenge. karl referred to it. you're operating with less than perfect information, the consequences of a mistake are very grave so you have to assume the worse and realize the bottom line is they probably don't have the capability. >> chris: take us inside the white house. how do policymakers make decisions when you don't really know what's going on on the ground? >> remember, first of all this situation with the differences between the dia and national intelligence is normal. they're never 100% in agreement. they arrive at a consensus. the president has to go on the basis of the best information possible. in this situation we know one thing for certain. they want to have the ability to launch a nuclear weapon on a intercontinental ballistic weapon. tokyo will be a sea of nuclear fire. that was in the last 48 hours. they want to attack the united states. this is why president obama's belated decision to reverse course and put intercepters in to protect the continental united states is important. >> and iran is watching thinking if north korea is handled so gingerly, if they can get nuclear capability, they get welcomed to the club. >> chris: when we come back, the coming storm over immigration reform. you won't want to miss it. ♪ [ male announcer ] how could switchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and the aerospace industry in the u.s.? 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>> that's the danger. that's where people have to hold the line and say this is a good bill. it's a good starting pointing. i commend the gang of eight for doing what they're trying to do. the key is enforcement. i like the high skilled worker and the fact there's no federal benefits to anybody until they get in line and get their citizenship. that's huge for conservatives and democrats. >> chris: marjorie, this is an usual you've worked on a lot. your sense of this and it's viability? >> there's been no time like the present in that we saw the power of the latino vote this past election. both parties know the inevitabilitity and necessity of having that voting pool. but we have voices we never had before. sean hannity onboard with this policy. mark zuckerberg, the chamber of commerce, unions, and republican national committee and 80% of the public. the key think to talk about is not amnesty but accountability. this is a process that presents, as you said, paying back taxes. paying your due and coming up with the rights and security. border security is stronger than ever for 40 years, we're spending $18 billion right now. 21,000 border security agents so 80s different time. it's a time for path to citizenship. >> chris: karl, you had -- this sounds familiar, you had your run with george w. bush at immigration reform if the bush white house and you ran into a road block. what do you think are the chances that republicans, especially house republicans, will stomach what you just heard? >> if the bill is along the lines of what marco rubio laid out with very tough border standards, border security standards, with a long path to citizenship that involves penalties. amnesty is forgiveness without penalty. there's a penalty tie of time. it requires them to wait until the border's secured and begin a process, 13 years or longer, before anybody becomes a citizen. they have to pay a fine then the cost of monitoring them to make sure they stay employed. they have to learn english and remain employed and there's a penalty in being withdrawn. you cannot get a single government benefit, including obamacare, until you're a citizen. as long as there's regular order -- this was killed in 2007 because harry reid derailed a careful process set up by the white house, senator kennedy and senator mccain, with 94 amendments. senator bayh would have been there to vote on them. and that was important because the legislation has to have the consensus of republicans and democrats if they've had a chance to write it as best they could. >> chris: senator bayh, the toughest part of the bill for the conservatives, whether amnesty or not, is that the 11 million illegal immigrants in this country will get legal status and a lot of people think it will never get revoked. for liberals, it's tough. there are enforcement figures and it's a decade or longer. in that sense, that it will tick off people on the right and left, has the gang of eight hit the sweet spot here? >> i think they have, chris. the conflicting dynamic shows why it's hard and haven't been done until now. we as democrats need to decide, do we want to solve this substantivelily and respect the need for border security or an issue for the midterm elections. my hope is, and this balance puts us on the path of solving this issue. there are significant elements in the republican party that are for this. democrats are for it. washington gives it a better than 50/50 chance of getting it done. >> chris: i would like to be able to say we had an exclusive interview with marco rubio this morning but i would be lying. he set a new record, he did seven morning talk shows. he is all in on immigration reform which raises the question, what does this do to his political prospects? particularly, we jousted about that, if he's thinking 2016. >> it demands, does the bill get passed? if it does, it does something for his leadership. i'm delighted and amazed with the leadership shown by people as diverse as jeff flake and dick durbin, chuck schumer and rube. the democrats and republicans tried to cobble together a bill that's thoughtful, sensitive and tough and with an eye towards getting something done. i can imagine the dynamic. anytime you have chuck schuman, you have to have seven adults to control him. >> chris: wow. >> the leadership from all -- >> we were on the path to bipartisan. this was a beautiful moment. >> there are three democrats worried about him as well. >> chris: you're not answering my question. >> look, it helps him. he's seen to be a leader. leaders do things that are important. >> chris: is it going to give somebody to the right of him, in the tea party, ability to say you're soft -- >> wait a minute, jeff flake is a tea party. >> chris: marco rubio. >> labrador, a tea part. >> chris: you know somebody is going to -- >> that's fine. leaders do things because they're important, not because they guarantee success. >> what we saw in the last election is winning the nomination is not enough. this may complicate the process but it makes him for attractive in the general election for people looking for problem solving and bipartisanship. >> chris: quickly. >> the key is to make sure no federal benefits are given. everyone's part of the process and you don't let chuck schumer cut deals. let the process play out. >> congress needs this win. our country needs this bipartisan win. >> chris: we have 30 seconds left. senator brown, there is talk you might make a senate run again in 2014. not in massachusetts, in new hampshire. why new hampshire? >> yeah, i'm not going to comment on that obviously. i think it's important to continue to do my job here and challenge people to do things better? you did something nothing's off the table. >> nothing's off the table and nothing's on the table. >> this guy is a 9th 9th generation new hampshire i can't ian. >> chris: see you next week. check out panel plus where our group picks up with our cushion on our website. follow you us on twitter@"fox ns sunday." i week. against potted plant kind. 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