Not immune to called body dumped cases. In todays case police said the bullet casings found at the scene suggest the victim had been shot at that location. Neighbors who life in the area said they were surprised by the live in the area said they were surprised by the violence. Never been concerned for my safety here. I just love it up here. How long have you lived on this block . 35 years. It is shocking that anybody has ever been killed here. It is shocking. Police have not yet released this mans name. No arrests have been made. Police are asking anyone with information to give them a call. Can you describe this neighborhood to us . What was it like . We have some difficulty hearing you. This is a very safe neighborhood. The dog park is right nearby. Very quiet neighborhood normally. This is a shock to everyone in the neighborhood. Back to you. All right. Thank you. Well the rain is back in the bay area. The umbrellas were out in oaklands chinatown. We have some video right there. The rain was really coming down at points. Yeah. We saw the windshield wipers going. Bill martin joining us now. It kind of felt good out there. Yeah, it wasnt really coming down. I mean it was coming down. On the way in, i used the windshield wipers. Like . This . Not, just like this. And the smell of it. It was wonder foul see an early season rain event. We will call it rain but it was right on the edge. Windshield wipers were never going like this. It turned out the be a really neat day around the bay area. Rainfall accumulations very light. As you look outside you see what a beautiful scene. This is bay bridge looking back at oakland. You see winteriness of it. Things are changing around. Here is some of the rain totals. We are looking at palo alto these numbers some areas may have got more and some areas may have gotten less. This amount of accumulation just enough to slicken up the roadways and cause problems for the afternoon commute. As you are looking at the satellite loop, it kind of merged together right . Here is the weak low here. This is the moisture. Tropical moisture comes in. It links up with a little bit of energy. As we get into twipt game on for more rain. Coming a little closer down by san jose you have a few light showers. Just enough to slow you down on the roadways. When i come back we will talk about the forecast. There may be something left over for the morning commute. We will talk about a warmup just around the corner. Other story were following around the bay area today, family, friends and even strangers are grieving the loss of a beloved artist gunned down while working on a public mural. He was out painting the mural on west street yesterday morning when witnesses say he got into a confrontation with a man who later shot him. People in the neighborhood came by to pay their respects there at the mural. Family friend says he is survived by his parents a brother and a sister. It is devastating. Like any parent it is senseless. Here he was trying to do a beautiful thing and well police have not yet identified the suspect or even a motive for the killing. Rob spoke with the victims sister. We will hear from her coming up at 5 00. Recent violence at levi stadium has some concerned about safety. Earlier this month we have cell phone video of fans beating a vikings fan at the stadium. In response the police chief did a security assessment. He determined despite the recent violence, levi stadium is extremely safe. I was quite surprised that 99. 96 of the people attending all events, behaved appropriately. And smith will have more on the safety concerns there and on that new report coming up at 5 00. Coming up after the break, it is a disease that impacts some 3 0000000 americans. Diabetes is one of the Biggest Health issues in the county did you see it . The amazing red and orange sunset . Viewers are sharing some of their pictures on our facebook page. This one here is gorgeous. If you have a picture you can share yours too. It is beautiful. Sometimes when there is a little moisture, people tend to slow down. They forget to drive. Looks pretty slow. Yes, it does. The four on two will be right back. Oh, well thats a good price. Seriously . Ill grab two. Get ready to save. Love the honey nut cheerios. The safeway stock up sale is on. Now with your club card, select General Mills cereals are 2 for 4. Progresso vegetable classics soup, 10 for 10. And foster farms whole chicken, 99ยข a pound. Honey, can you bring the truck . The safeway stock up sale. Its just better. Hundreds of people who live diabetes or have been touched birthday cease will by the, disease will soon be coming together to raise money. We are being joined by the chair of the National Finance committee. Thanks for being here with us. My pleasure. So you are obviously very involved with the association, but you are also a type 1 diabetic. You been so for more than 40 years. What has it been like and what has changed since you were first diagnosed . That is such a big question. It is a change tremendously over 40 years ago. The add advances in Technology Advances in technology, or the kinds of insulins out there, variety of tools to help monitor what is going on are all available now. They werent available when i was diagnosed 40 years ago. There were some clear types of insulin that kept me alive and reasonably well. There just wasnt the ability as there is now. Many people dont understand it is a day by day and a meal by meal disease where you have to watch every they think you eat. You always have to have your insulin with you. I shared this with folks at home that i am a newly diagnosed type 1. I have only been doing this for one year. I take insulin shots several times a day and it can be quite the challenge. Yes. It is a little like driving your car in a world of mostly other people in a driverless car. You are at the control and constantly monitoring things. You are looking around saying you wish you could be in that car where you can do your texting or whatever. You have to be attentive. If you stop being attentive, kit be dangerous. Lets put the numbers up. According to ada, 21. 9 million americans had diabetes at least in 2012. Approximately one million have type 1. We are talking about nearly 30 million americans with diabetes. I feel like most people out there know someone with it or knows someone that knows someone with diabetes. That is more people than are left handers in the world. Lets talk about this walk, october 10th. When you got diagnosed 40 years ago, what is this walk about . How can people still get involved . Well this is an annual fundraiser. It is also a fun event for individuals who have diabetes, their families, caregivers and anyone else who cares for them. It is a walk through golden gate park. Almost always a beautiful day. It is a time to celebrate and honor the people what live daily with diabetes. One of the wonderful things with this events is it is kind of cool to be diabetic at this event and there about many times when that is the case. It is a very important fundraiser. For an association that is celebrating their 75th anniversary this year, they [ indiscernible ] all the doctors that provide care to those people with diabetes. Last year we had 18,000 physicians convened to help them understand. And the millions of people who live with it. Again it is going to be on october 10th. Golden gate park there, 9 a. M. If people still want to sign up and get involved they can go to the website or how can they get involved . Yes, just go to the website. Just type out step out San Francisco. Ohio day. Okay. October 10th so there is still plenty of time. Mike, over to you. Well the National Hurricane center said Tropical Storm joaquin has strengthened into a hurricane. They are now trying to gather more information to forecast tim pact it could have right here in the impactthe the impact it could have here in the u. S. One thing we are going to do this afternoon and this evening to try get those models into better agreement is to send out the jet and that will provide data. Hopefully the models will be in better agreement. There you go sending up the jet later tonight. They are tracking joaquins wind at just about 80 miles an hour right now. It is expected to get Even Stronger in the next couple of days. Havent really noticed a lot of hurricanes this season. Absolutely. It is indicative of el nino. You get a lot more pacific storms. In the east coast not a lot of hurricanes. This one looks pretty big. One of the problems lets look at it right now. Here is hurricane joaquin. One of the problems is the models are all over the map on what it is going to do. One of the models send its from all the way out here well east or well east of the east coast. Another model runs it right up towards boston. The other models are going here. They are all different on what they want to do. The model path if you watch where the two is a little south of there. That is where folks think it is going to hit. It is a chance to be a category 3 storm. It will have a big impact here. Back here. There it is. The joaquin thing as we get towards the weekend, it is going to be a [ indiscernible ] on the eastern sea board. Be prepared for that. There is that chance we showed you earlier. There is the rainfall we are going to show you now. These are the numbers. They probably vary based on where you live. Here is this low Pressure Center that linked one this subtropical moisture. It is enough of a low that it supplied enough lift to get this to happen. We have showers falling in san jose right now. Even a little heavier shower than you might expect there. That is some of the heaviest rain i have seen all day. Maybe we can make it a little smaller. There you go. Some scattered showers in milpitas. They are probably going to linger into the evening hours and into the Early Morning hours. 65 in concord right now. It is a warm storm. Computer model tomorrow morning at 5 00 a. M. A few clouds, a few more sxrin kls tomorrow afternoon sprinkles tomorrow afternoon. Now we get to friday. Watch what happens everything goes this way, that is the offshore wind sdmropg pushing the fog a developing and pushing much of the wind away from the coast. We will see temperatures on friday back in the upper 80s again. Not tomorrow though, it is sort of a transition day. 77 in pittsburgh. 78 in antioch. Slowing down traffic a lot. It also helps fire danger a lot to. Really puts down just increases those fuel moistures which are so important to firefighters and drops the temperatures. Friday we will be warm. Saturday, sunday and monday Something Like that which looks good. Lot going on really with joaquin. That could be a real problem for folks on the east coast. It will be a real problem. Even the carolinas, you have team mountains areas there. If that thing hits there, it will go off. They will get half a foot of rain or two feet of rain. For us the rain has been great. Not enough to really do much other than dampen the trees. Yeah but it is a good sign. Yesterday we were talking about killer bees found here in the bay area. Well today hundred bees swarming a squad car. Take a look, we will show you how they came to surround this chp car. You rum better that dead lay remember that deadly car crash involved Caitlin Jenner . Yes wle will tell you why she no longer faces criminal charges even though police say she was responsible. Welcome to subway, what can i make for you . How about our new flavorpacked italian hero, loaded with three authentic italian deli meats. Including our new spiced capicola, our new crackedpepperseasoned mortadella and our alwaysdelicious spicy genoa salami. Enjoy this Amazing Taste combination on freshly baked bread, toasted with melty provolone, tomatoes and oregano. The new italian hero wont be here long, so try one today. Subway. Eat fresh. Caitlin jenner will not face charges in a deadly car crash on the Pacific Coast highway in malibu. Jenner was toeing a trailer when her cadillac hit two vehicles pushing one into oncoming traffic. A woman was killed. Sheriff investigators said jenner was traveling at an unsafe speed but today prosecutors in los angeles said there is not enough evidence for a conviction. Jenner still faces lawsuits by the victims family. That accident happened in february before the olympian announced she is transgender. A Government Shutdown has been avoided at least for now. They approved a stopgap spending bill just hours before tonights midnight deadline. The move will keep the federal government open with no assure answer there will not be another shutdown threat come december. House republicans oppose the measure by a clear margin. It is being called the golden age of Small Business. Today we examine what it takes to make sure you venture a successful one. How do you create Small Business that will survive . Well had a chance to talk to someone who has done that many times. He is probably best known for his role on shark tank. He says there is one thing that successful Business Owners have in common. These people really love what they do. I know it is a cliche but if you love what you do, you will never work a day in your life. He said the number one difference between someone who what makes it and someone who does not is passion. You have to be passionate about what you are doing, not just passionate about making a lot of money. Because not every business is going to be the next facebook or van billion dollar business. That doesnt mean it is not successful. Some of these businesses were set up simply just to the give back. Sometimes they are there to make living. Sometimes they are there as a really passionate endiver for the owner and that is nothing wrong with that. Those are the kind of businesses featured in a document he is involved in. If you are going to start business, do your home work. Dont just start a restaurant because you like to cook. Research the neighborhood, what kind of food is missing, what price points would be acceptable for that area. He adds, people who are successful, love what they do and they have been able to translate that into something people are willing to pay money for. You also have to be willing to make the commitment. [music playing] he also said ask yourself half the question. Are you the kind of person that wants to turn your passion into a profession . All right. Well yesterday we were talking about called killer bees found in lafayette. With well today there is new video of bees swarming a patrol car. That is right. Take a look. It happened yesterday. A truck calling hundred bees overturned on the high honey bees overturned on the highway. They said there was one injury but we dont know if that was from the crash or from the bees. That hive has nearly covered the entire patrol car. Wow. Well a string of Police Shootings nationwide brought the focus for officers to build relationships with the communities they deserve. We are talking to a police chief who just got from a meeting talking about just how to do that. At grocery outlet, they sell the brands you love. The brands you love. The brands you know and love. Even namebrand Natural Foods and organics. At prices up to 60 less than youd spend. At those bigname grocery stores. And did you know right now at grocery outlet, avocados are just 99 cents each you can save up to 1. Things that i know. And love. Grocery outlet. Bargain market the Police Shooting of Michael Brown in missouri set off a nationwide dialogue about Law Enforcement and the communities they serve. His death set off weeks of violent clashes in ferguson and also raised questions about how officers can and should make reslags ships built on relationships built on trust in their communities. He released its final report. There were two main recommendations the task force made. One, create a National Crime and Justice Task Force to exam tin criminal Justice System and propose reforms. Two, support games that take a comprehensive look at core issues in the Community Like poverty, education, health and safety. That task force also identified six pillars of policing going forward. Community policing and Crime Reduction officer tripping and education, officer safety and wellness, the Task Force Said these pillars are the frame work of best practices for policing to reduce crime and also build trust and to do so, all at the same time. Today we are taking four minutes to take a little bit of a deeper look at Community Policing post ferguson. We are joined know by San Mateo Police chief. She is just back from a come frens. Thank conference. Thanks for being here with us. We want to start with perception. You have some neighborhoods where there seems to be a clear divide. In some cases this has gone phone years and years. How to you even start and change that . Well i think we have seen overtime that often times the neighborhoods in which we need to do the most for security and safety are nose very neighborhoods where our relationships are most strained. Those very neighborhoods where our relationships are most strained. [ indiscernible ] i think you will find that the chiefs across the country are looking at this study, the Task Force Report on 24 century policing. There are some very good tragedies here in the city of san mateo. Before we go into an area and conduct what i would call higher levels of enforcement to address crime or other safety issues, we start a neighborhood safety partnership. We bring in the community and some of those we expect to do the enforcement against. Do you really think it is going to work . I have seen it work time and time again. It is not the click fix but it is being there day after day after day. You will find there are a lot in those communities that do have our support and we have their support. We really need to look beyond the initial flash point and look at what is underlying the frustration in this neighborhoods. I would really submit to you that it is not simply police action. It is the idea we need to go in these communities. While we are a symptom and a flash point around what is happening in certain neighborhoods, we are not the soul answers with the tools on our belt. We need to bring others in through Community Policing. We need to identify and work with the community on those resources. I will tell you you will get a lot further sitting down with those folks and having their support means you have their intelligence. We have seen it time and again. Let me ask you this, in san mateo lets be honest, you dont have all the riots that other cities have in the bay area. What is one thing you would tell the chief, maybe in oakland or san jose that you learned in seattle and said you need to implement this and you need to do it now. What would it be . Actually i did police in San Francisco for 17 years and i will tell you that some of the tragedies that we out lined in this report that are great, they are a great blueprint are happening in departments nationwide. So out of 18,000 departments there is something in there for everyone. This can really be used. Not just by Police Departments but to the do internal assess ms ms assessments for work with their communities and see how they are doing. What about civilian over sight . To you think it is needed in all departments . I certainly dont think anything is needed in all departments. You really cannot just really say everyone of the 18,000 departments. We what i think we need to be very clear about is that this is not a one size fits all. I have seen civilian overnight work in communities that need it and welcome it. I have seen it where they have lost the control of what needs to be done within their city. Well chief if i could just i just want to say i think it is an Early Warning signal if a department and a community is talking about civilian over sight that they are not open enough. If i could jump, we are going to run out of time here. If we could talk about recruitment when it comes today versety. That is one thing you heard diversity. What is the effort like when it comes to recruiting people that look like the people that they are policing . Right. You you know recently you said it doesnt happen in san mateo. Rekrenltly we went to all of recently we went to all of our churches in our minority churches and we enlisted them to help us recruit for our community. We have taken hits over this year. It ha has been a tough year for police has ban tough year for police in general. You are right, the more reflective we are of the communities we serve, the better. Is that going happen overnight . No. There are other strategies in that same report as well. San mateo we had leaders riding along with us to address them. They got a lot more results than some of our officers and handcuffs do. Each community having to dig in and find out which part of that report is needed for their strategy. I want to get your take on social media before we let you go. Just here in the bay area i have noticed Law Enforcement agencies do a great job of social media and are very hands on. Then there there are other departments who kind of avoid it well they where just are not doing it just as much. If there is one take away from all of this, perception and trust and social media is where those per sepgs are generated perceptions are generated more than any other venue. It really shows that they are more transparent and open. We have to let communities know we are welcoming in and we are welcoming them in partnership. It is tough. What hasnt changed in all those years is our drive to go down everyday and lay down our lives is necessary to serve this community. That needs to come packback and baa part of the dis back and be part of the discussion we are having. Great thank you for taking your time. You can read more on that final report from the president s task force on our website ktvu. Com. We have posted a link there on our home page. All you have to do is click on the web links button. An officer involved shooting caught on body camera video. We will explain why the sheriff is stepping down. I am tracking a few left over showers out there. Will they impact that morning commute . I will let you know. We will give you a live look outside. Little sluggish but again once it rains a little bit, everyone seems to forget how to drive every now and then. The four on two will be right back. Plan checking headlines now from across the country. They have postponed a schedule execution. They said the drug isnt approved. He was suppose to be executed today. Now the governor has rescheduled his ex cushion for november 6th. Officials receive potassium execution for november 6th. The delay will now allow prison officials to determine if this drug is appropriate. The state is still waiting for word from the u. S. Supreme court on his claim of innocence. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to death in 2004 for hiring and paying justin need to beat a motel occupier ash owner to death with a baseball owner to death with a baseball bat. She was put to death by lethal injection early this morning. She was convicted of murder in the 1997 killing of her husband. She conspired with her lover who stabbed him to escalante. More than 100 supporters gathered outside the state prison hoping for a reprieve. It became really somber. She asked us pray with her and we all prayed together. She was praying for the people who were there in the room with her. A representative of pope francis had even asked the parole board to [ indiscernible ] to spare her life. A gun stolen from a federal ranger was allegedly used in the death of kate. In august the police chief had her gun stolen from her vehicle. Just days later a Hayward Police officers gun was stolen from his vehicle. Now a San Francisco supervisor wants to require off duty officer toss lock up their weapons officers to look up their weapons. Now to what this new law would exactly require. It would require that these guns be stored in a locked box or in a locked trunk in parked cars. This particular ordinance was composed and he said this is in response to the shooting death of kate what was killed on peer 14 this past july with a gun stolen from the car of an agent with the u. S. Bureau of land management. He left the gun in a backpack in the car. Same sort of situation with the chief of Berkeley Police and the hayward officer. He said his legislation would not impose any penalties or change the disciplinary process but it spells out what they have failed for over the years. What we have heard actually from some of our sources within the San FranciscoPolice Department is that as much as people are told, this is what you are suppose to do, there is actually an ongoing practice where they are not following the rules. So, look this is not meant to be punitive in anyway. It is simply meant increase public safety. He said the police chief has supported the ordinance which will go down a vote in one month and it will take another month or so to implement. It is interesting to know deputies we spoke to off camera were not supportive of this. They said it deflects from the real issue. The president there issued this statement saying supervisor the blaming the victim whos vehicle was broken into instead of the criminal where the blame belongs. Back to you. Off duty officer witnesses a crime. What is he or she suppose to do . Engage or go back to their vehicle . What about when i talk about other officers i know some who have other guns, not just their work guns. They have their private guns also in their vehicle. Did he talk about that at all . He didnt really touch upon that. The ordinance was rather short. In speaking with Police Officers and deputies they say when we leave work we have our personal give up that we use. That is very common for them to have a perm gun. What if you personal gun. What if you have an suv . You cant leave it in the a trunk so you will have to leave nit a locked box. Really it is just another step that officers would have to intake to ensure the safety was being are provided here. They say they feel they are being targeted unfairly. They said the fact that car thefts are so much on the rise. Last month in august alone we had a 38 increase in car thefts. Also the fact that there are really no consequences with this new ordinance. A lot of officer bs officers and deputies we spoke to said they dont know what it is for i see both sides. It will be a great debate. Thanks for that report. Talking with our chief metrologist. I know it was a drop in the bucket. Was it van even a drop in the bucket . It kind of sprinkled. But it does so nice to see and feel it. It was kind of cool out. For this time of year it is rain basically. Mind you with rain if it is going like this, if it is going like this, then it is not rain. That is not official. Okay. I got it. Im just giving you a hard time. Here is what it looks like outside. You can sew a few sprinkles still showing up on parents of the radar out. There lets take a parts of the radar out there. Lets check a look at what we got. Those numbers just above trace amounts. I want to point out the mernl merging of the air mass. That low Pressure Center dropped in extra tropical. It creates a lot more tropical moisture in the atmosphere. Now this system is extremely weak. Imagine when you get a full on winter storm, in stuff will go off. That is the thinking with el nino. That is why we expect a lot of rain certainly south of San Francisco could see a heck of a lot of rain from San Francisco north as well. Milpitas a few scattered showers. Nothing heavy to cause problems with the burn scars. That is the big concern too right as we get into the winter months here . [ indiscernible ] we will see more concerns. As we go into tomorrow there, is the morning. Maybe a sprinkle for us. Afternoon commute is dry. Maybe a Little Something up around santa rosa. Trend friday the winds go like that trend friday then friday the winds go like that. You can see by the flow the computer model says High Pressure is coming back and temperatures go up. Oakland high of 72. Today most of us were in the 60s. Tomorrow San Francisco downtown 66. 74 san jose. A little less cloud cover than there was today. The five day forecast looks like that. Temperatures warm a little bit on thursday. Friday when the winds click around a little bit we are going to want even more. It is just i mean it is great news for firefighters. I have been looking at the long range models. We need rain but we are in the most devastating potentially devastating fire season we have ever had in the history of the state of california. If we can keep getting along here i dont see any northeast wind events that could give us real issue. That doesnt mean it isnt going to happen but that is my hope. Good. Great. And then el nino right . Yeah. That is a whole other deal; all right frank in the newsroom with some of the stories that we are working phone 5 00. Hearing family members of that artist killed in oakland speaking out today. Yeah there, was a lot of sadness. One person said he just totally embodied the spirit of this project which is breaking the cycle of violence. We will show you the large gathering to day to remember that victim and also the words his sister had for the killer. We have the niners and packers but the debate is is it safe or not. That is the debate over security at that state. The police chief just finished his security assessment. Tonight we ask him what he found. An overerly excited fan gets invited on stage. We will tell you why katy perry was uncomfortable when this young woman came on stage. We will tell you what happened. Taking a look at some of the stories people are talking about on social media. These kind of sat statistics us updates cuff up cough up once in a while. It prohibits them from infringes on their privacy. This time people were saying i do not give facebook permission to use my photos information. Here is the thing, it is a hoax. They say it is always going to be a hoax. Yeah, there is another one that pops up every now and then saying that by agreeing to pay a monthly fee your content will remain private. In reality there is a agreement that users agree to when they sign up. So this week they warned users to not believe these status updates. They said dont believe every they think you read on the internet. Today facebook is free and it will always be. The thing about copy and pasting is just a hoax. If you want to read their policy, we have posted a link on ktvu. Com. There is a new hash tag trend ought there today, hash tag pay sam lar sen. Who is that . Well he is a freelance artist. He is out of portland and yesterday he posted a side by side of Instagram Post from 104 woke ago do. You see it there on the left . Weeks ago. Do you see it there on the left . That is a wild. On the right is a picture, it is a new tshirt by the clothing chain forever 21. You can see they are very similar. The i is on arrow and in his post he says quote i normally keep this stuff private but this is too ridiculous. I hope you plan to pay me royalties for stealing my hart. Art. That is spot on. Wow. So katy perry has been inviting fans up on stage throughout her tour but over the weekend one very touchy feeling fan at the show seemed to even make her uncomfortable. Take a look. She is kissing me. [ laughter ] giving a little play by play there for the crowd she touched, smelled, even groped her. At one point she commented the fan may be high on something. The fan says she wasnt high or drunk. Okay that is what he says. She said she was up since 4 30 in the morning and waiting 12 hours in line to see her concert. She says her odd behavior was a mix of excitement and exhaustion. What do you think . I think she is just excited to see her and whether she is high or not it is just a fantastic little clip there that people are talking about. Yeah. All right well at least maybe katy perry might be twice next time right. Well a sheriff is 12e7ing down after an officer involved shooting claims one mans life. We will explain why the sheriff is leaving his job even though he wasnt the one who fired the gun. Babies who are talked to from the time theyre born are more likely to have a successful future. Talking and reading to children in their first years has a huge impact on what they do with the rest of their lives. The fewer words they hear, the greater their chances of dropping out of school and getting into trouble. Talk. Read. Sing. Your words have the power to shape their world. Learn more at first5california. Com parents. Sheriff in oklahoma announced his resignation after a grand jury indicted him following the Fatal Shooting of an unarmed man. You may remember this video showing eric harris running from a sheriffs deputy in april. Robert baits was trying to tick him into custody when he mistook his gun for a hand gun and fatally shot him. A grand jury indicted the sheriff on two misdemeanor counts for mailing to promply turn over documents relating to the investigation. The training was called into question and he now left the department. Lawyers say he will step down before november 10 court hearing. The shooting is similar to the Fatal Shooting of 1996 Olympic Games in Fatal Shooting of oscar grant. The officer involved Johannes Mehserle said he intended to use his taser but accidentally shot him with his gun. B. A. R. T. Retrained officers on the property cuse of tasers. Use of tasers. More now to keba and frank. A bike rider out for a ride makes a horrible discovery. A man dead, the latest developments in the murder in the oakland hills. Ktvu fox 2 news at fiver p. M. Starts