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We have and I mean every time I go there I think of all the people that have played there I like to imagine Jerry Garcia clumping up those stairs and that never that never diminishes and in fact I always I asked to play there it's not like I get invaded. I call up you know I call up Frank Reilly and I say Can I play in at the Fillmore like in March and then he tries to get me some jobs but I I love the Fillmore Yeah so I loved reading in this book about some of your favorite places in the city you know go have coffee or coffee trust and. Go to city lights in those places and Japantown you like to see what how has your relationship to San Francisco changed over the years because you know you're going to have to trust you know and it's not filled with Beat poets like it once was is it more like a kind of a museum vibe when you visit a place like actually my relationship with Cafe Trias came from my friend Sandy Perlman he took me 1st to Cafe tree I didn't even like. Look it up with the beatniks I thought of France was a gun's book Shortridge yest and so I had a different romantic feeling about it and I just went there with Sandy but I didn't get to go there today because I didn't have enough time but but I did go to on on the bridge that's and had. They were out of flying fish rose began he but I they got me shrimp speak so I had that but just in terms of. People that have passed. I'm Those people are with me all the time if I want to be surrounded by beatniks. I can just close my eyes and all my old pals are right there yeah. But since the book is still fairly new I thought maybe we would talk a little bit just generally about what this book is for so the audience is along with us here so one way I was thinking about it when I was reading it is if just kids depicts an earlier time in your life or you're coming up as an artist in New York and in the late sixty's and seventy's. I started to think of train the when we talked about last time as being a book it's a lot about the idea of home your home in routines in New York the home you create in Rockaway Beach your domestic life and in Michigan. With your late husband Fred Sonic Smith in this book a lot different both in terms of the structure and the time period and. You're you're right I like that that's true because m. Train did wind up focusing on. My life with Fred which I had rarely written about attempting to have this little house in Rockaway then having it semi destroyed by Hurricane Sandy but I would say this book is about my other desire to be almost homeless I like being rootless I like roaming around and it's probably the closest to how I am you know at this time in my life you know and not having you know living alone not have been a companion in just been. I got. Nobody to worry about it home except my cat so so yeah it's a different experience you're a bit so it's happily rootless Yeah there's a lot of like to not a lot but something like. You felt the gravitational pull of home which when you're home for too long you feel the gravitational pull of somewhere else and as you've gotten older it seems like you're saying your relationship to staying versus wandering. Has changed of course from the time you look to Michigan Well I'm a natural wonder but in Michigan of course I didn't wander but I meant I could still mentally wonder because you know I do live in my head a lot so if I'm not actually physically wandering I still got a lot of places to go so. And I was but I wish I wasn't I didn't feel deprived of wondering when I was in Michigan I love my husband my kids were awesome I had a lot of responsibility and I also had enough freedom to read daydream write and just you know and be myself yeah. So. You know with it when just kids focused a lot of attention on Rubbermaid before and train a lot more on one Fred with this book there's a couple of of other important men in your life that you know give a lot of I think to one of them you mentioned Sandy Perlman. Who was a big big presence everywhere but especially here in this town for a long time and someone who you were friends with for nearly half a century you know a long time. There I wondered if we may hear a passage that from from early in the book. It's on 20. That was think realize book grab that you. Yeah I'm 24 started at the top there with the Met in 1971 and then we can talk about Sandy. We met in 1971 after my 1st poetry performance Lenny Kaye accompanying me on electric guitar Sandy Perlman was sitting cross-legged on the floor in St Mark's Church dressed in leather Jim Morrison style I had read as excerpts from the history of Los Angeles one of the greatest pieces written about rock music after the performance he told me I should from a rock n roll band but I just laughed and told him I already had a good job working in a bookstore. Then he went on to reference or Bruce the dog of Hades recommending I delve into its history not just the history of a dog but the history of an idea he said flashing his extremely white teeth I thought I'm arrogant though in an appealing way but his suggestion that I should front Iraq ban though improbable was also intriguing at that time I was seeing Sam Shepard and I told him what Sandy had said Sam just looked at me intently and told me I could do anything we were all young then and that was the general idea that we could do anything Sandy was nalang conscious at the i.c.u. In Marin County Sam was negotiating the waxing phases of his affliction he was suffering from a less I felt a cosmic pull in multiple directions and wondered if some idiosyncratic force field was shielding given another field one with a small orc orchard at its crux heavy with the fruit containing an unfathomable core. Thank you. You're here in town to play and. Sandy collapse in and a parking lot so a lot of the beginning of the book he's in the hospital even Adam a few times. I wonder if you talk a little bit about him. I mean his achievements are are vast. Well I mean just you know he was 1st of all he was he was brilliant and and he was a great friend. He when I met him he was managing a band called stock forest which became Blue Oyster Cult and he wrote most of their songs he developed. Their their philosophical outlook worked on on their artwork and produced co-produced the records he co-produced clash he was. A great visionary and one of my favorite late in later in life he had a chair he was a professor in montréal and his one of his great courses was spending you know a year comparing Benjamin Britten. Compositions with Metallica ballads and. And he you know I mean in a scholarly you know not a tongue in cheek way collar leeway and he had he had such an interesting take on things and he loved Shakespeare and mythology and he loved the matrix. That was his favorite movie and he loved the x. Files and oh Johnny Dark Donnie Darko was his favorite movie. And he liked cheesecake. In he in he coined the term heavy metal Yes he's known I mean he he he was a visionary I mean you'd have to hear him talk 1st of all he talked at 78 speed and often 3 sentences simultaneously and but and just natural Yeah naturally. Yeah so you were working with him on a on an opera. Of Medea Yeah for about 40 years Ok but. We talked about that we were going to in fact I began when we 1st started talking about you know having a new take on Medea I would play Medea and I was you know not bad looking and when I was young and and then I got sort of better like more Ava Gardner So it was more like Medea and then more time was passing and I was said if we don't get this done I'm going to be playing Medea's mother so. Yeah we worked on it but it was one of our great unrealized but mystical projects. Another big presence in the book is Sam Shepard. Who you mentioned there in the in the passage. Who also was as you mentioned was battling a.o.s. During during this year so the book as I mentioned to be as a encompasses a single here so I think that's another thing that's really unique about it it's you're the monkey but it really does start. A day or 2 weeks later and there's just a couple it starts. The 1st passage the 1st page at the book is written in time and so the very 1st page was written. In. In the dream in the dream the dream motel on New Year's Day and then I looked back but the actual writing the book began the 1st day of 2016 looking back just a few days before so you were you were writing the book during that year and then of course went back later and well I just started the very very 1st day of the year I didn't know I was writing a book I was just writing stuff and it turned into a book or an obsession like it should say but yeah so with with Sam. There's a some incredible passages in the book where you traveled quite a bit to visit him in Kentucky and later to California to help him work on his what would be his last book his last 2 books in the last 2 books would you describe a bit what that creative that sort of collaborative process was like with him well I mean Sam was his own man he was is own right or he knew what he wanted but he was he didn't use any technology he never used a computer didn't really have a cell phone he he wasn't interested in it he used a manual typewriter and fact the closest thing you got to technology was a Selectric and. And so was he hand wrote or typed everything and went and Ls takes all of your muscle control. And when he couldn't use his hands. Anymore this was a great blow because he also like to he likes solitude he liked to write alone but I had written with him and were we have similar temperaments and so what he did was with he family members and different people that he trusted would set up a tape recorder and he had to. Write orally very very difficult I think being an actor and writing plays and and working in the theater was helpful to him I think for myself would be very difficult to write a whole book or early but and then they would be it would be transcribed so my duty was to sit with him with the transcription and read it over and over and over and he'd listen and then adjust things Ok And sometimes that would be big adjustment or cutting several pages or finding the rhythm so you know I had to be both invisible and completely present as not to. Disturb his process but we worked really well together so it worked and of course there's got to be a lot of trust to have absolutely Well we had unconditional both of us mutually mutual unconditional trust we didn't have any as they say baggage Yeah I mean he was my boyfriend when I was young and then we decided we couldn't do that we'd have to be friends and and but we didn't have a fight which is mapped out. A life of being friends another relationship there was a half a century long Yeah which is incredible still going on yeah. Somewhere. So I know it's impossible with a friendship that profound to. You know say one thing or one story that captures it but when you're Is there something that comes to mind when you think a salmon image a song or a story. Well Sam was very protective. He was very supportive of my work and protective but one little story like it's not like a great story or a mystical story but. When when I when we 1st knew each other I was sort of a straggly thing and he was quite handsome and people could never understand like what he wanted with this straggly girl that worked in a bookstore but. But he was quite fun to me and I was supposed to meet him in the Elk e.o.d. Bar next to the Chelsea Hotel and I was waiting there and I wasn't really a drinker but I was waiting and he was late and there was some guy there that was giving me a bunch of you know and I'm not a whim you know I just liked but it was sort of a big guy and he was like being in all of science and Sam came in and I guess he clocked it you know we see in and they had a long bar and Sam just sashayed up took the guy up by the neck and sent him just right down the bar with like glasses going in everything. Just like in the movie. And I can perfect I can perfectly picture that that's great. That's what I would think of when I think a sense shepherd for sure. It's a true story that's scary not a shred of embellish Mitt. What something that his friendship taught you. Sam had this in fact in m. Train it's funny because I'm trained and you're the monkey sort of overlap and they overlap quite a bit not intentionally I think in a way I loved writing them train and I never wanted to stop Brighton and I think really it was sort of my way of picking up yeah picking it up again in m. Train there's a Kalpoe that I have a run in dialogue with Who's Sam Wright and and and in the monkey Sam appears as him self but it he Sam said this to me when we were really young when we sort of had to go our separate ways he. You know it because you know when you're an artist or a performer or just a human being you're giving giving quite a bit and he said to me it's just a small thing he said Pateley don't forget to save some for yourself. And. And that really struck me you know there's late because you can give a lot away of but what he was talking about was you know some precious kernel that you just saved for yourself and mostly so that in times of strife or trouble or self-doubt you haven't like to pleaded yourself that it's still there and. You know and I knew that he believed in me just like that little story I mean Sandy wanted me to audition for Blois to what the band that became Blue Oyster Cult and I I never sang I didn't even ever it was in front of a microphone so. You know and Sam was like you could do that he had a lot of he had a lot of faith in me but that one little thing to just make sure you say that little flicker that little flame for yourself yeah. That's great. I've got the I don't know where you said this I can't I can't recall it but it's a quote about Sam I want to ask you about. It was Sam who taught me about fearlessness on stage he taught me the secret of improvisation and it's got me out of thousands of jams in front of thousands of people can you tell us what that secret is well. Well the thing is that I had an innate sense of improvisation I just didn't know it I think from watching so much Johnny Carson I had a little a sense of a sense of that but Sam and I wrote this play Cowboy Mouth together and there was one section where slim his and Vali have to spar and there was no we both wrote our parts so I wrote all of her lines and he wrote his lines and then there was just this blank and I said Will there have been sort of an argument what did they say to each other and he said oh that's the improvisational part it gives actors a time to express themself they can fight the way they want you know with language with the person with the song they can and I say he said it's just improvise and I said well I said what if what if I make the mistake and he said you can't make a mistake when you improvise you know it's like just imagine like Elvin Jones you know if he misses a beat he just invents another you just it's a small thing but after that I kept that in my head you know whenever if I'd screw up or find a weird you know hit a wall you know he like the other thing it's a just imagine putting your foot in you hit a wall just kick it you know like Jim Morrison says Break on through to the other side it was just basically. You know don't be afraid of and the just just you mess up but like then follow it up with something great and if you fear the next level then the next layer will never be revealed so sorry that took so long but all that's good up in I want to know that secret for a while it's great it's an open secret. There's a there's kind of this undercurrent in the book of unfinished work like story of my life yeah and it seems to me reading the book that sort of the story of anyone who likes to work which you know or needs to work and artists would be counted among them. You do you're going to leave unfinished work when you die which is what it means and in this book you've got you know you write about the opera you were writing for 40 years with with Sandy that was left unfinished below news 2666 a novel I love you write about that a lot in here which was you know he never got to revise that. Racing to help Sam finish his books so. Unfinished I mean you know work seems to be something that you hold sacred there's this idea that everybody wants to know work or retire on with it and it's I think you know if you're in love with the process and always you know you have it and curious about things I mean think of like Michelangelo he you know had like. All of his great works that we know all of this great sculptures but some of his greatest works were like in a basement they were like maybe fourteen's unfinished slaves or you know 4 to a lot of his slaves you know coming out of marble and he couldn't solve how they were completely evolve partially perhaps because they were slaves he couldn't completely free them and there but there were none the less beautiful but. And I read somewhere the Dorothy Parker led thousands of things unfinished when she died but I'd like. I think it's process is the one thing that the artists own you know and I. You know you write so many things are you you work on songs that don't really go anywhere but for that hour those hours or that whole night you might be intoxicated with something that doesn't quite see the world but that's your time once you do finish something and it goes out in the world it belongs to the people you know you finish a book and it's it belongs to the world yeah book during the process it's yours alone and so I think sometimes we get a little beguiled by process I don't regret any of the I have so many unfinished books unfinished poems and unfinished drawling XP but you know I don't regret the the search sometimes I like them as much or better than the things I finish. Yeah do you want any of them to see the light of day after you're gone well I wish I had a bell 40 more years so I could die and I yeah maybe I might break the arrivals but I might have a biblical life. That's a that's a thing when I when I was a kid when I learned about death then I was reading the Bible and I thought oh some people you know you know they live till they're 480 years something so there is hope so yeah. I'd like to finish some things but sometimes things morph like for instance our Medea though we didn't do it recently I did a long improvisation in there in a studio. Which in comp is a lot of our ideas with like 14 or 15 minute monologue and so I really feel like all the things that I learned from Sandy all of our talks. Found you know found their way into this one piece I think quite strong Yeah and so things have a way of one thing morphs into another. You are listening to a conversation with Patti Smith this is. There's another passenger want to ask you to read that you know so that this as hard as a lot of us have tried to forget the year of 2016. It wasn't just an important year personally for you but obviously was a year in which a lot changed in in our country. And just in the national discourse so there's another section on $77.00 I wonder if you'd read my passage for us. From there I mean to start with Valentine's Day Sure yeah maybe but could you go to 79 to that yeah and that 1st paragraph there Ok thanks. Valentine's Day was the coldest on record in New York City's history a complex mantle of frost covered everything bare branches strong with the symphony of frozen hearts pendants of ice lethal enough to wound cracked in plummeted from the edges of the overhangs and scaffolding on to the sidewalks left to live like discarded weapons of a primitive age I wrote very little nor did I commune within the dreamers dream across America one light after another seemed to burn out the oil lamps of another age flickered and died the signs were silent but the books on my night table beckoned the Children's Crusade the Colossus Marcus a really is I opened his meditations do not act as if you had 10000 years to live this made terrible sense to me climbing the chronology chronological ladder approaching my 70th year get a grip I told myself just revel in the last seasons of being 69 the sacred Jimi Hendrix number with his answer to such a caution I'm going to live my life the way I want to I imagine Marcus and Jimmy clash and each choosing a massive icicle that would melt in their hands long before they acquiesce to spar the cat was rubbing against my knee I opened a can of sardines chopped up her share then cut some money and toasted 2 slices of vote grid and made myself a sandwich. Staring at my image on the McCoury all surface of the toaster and noticed I looked young and old Simon Taney asleep I ate hastily failing to clean up actually craving some small sign of life like an army of ants dragging crumbs dislodged from the cracks of the kitchen take tiles I long for Bud sprout and skew and darkness lift in spring return and. Marcus To really has asked us to note the passing of time with open eyes 10000 years or 10000 days nothing can stop time or change the fact that I would be turning 70 in the year of the monkey 70 merely a year but one indicating the passing of the significant percentage of the allotted sand in an egg timer with oneself the Darnay. The grains poor and I find myself missing the dead more than usual. I notice that I cry more when watching television triggered by romance a retiring detective shot in the back while staring into the say a weary father lifting as infant from a crib I notice that my own tears burn my eyes that I am no longer a fast runner and that my sense of time seems to be accelerating. Sorry about my cough I'm not sick though so don't worry. So when we last spoke it was. A month before the election so in the in the year described here and. You ended the night with. By playing people have the power and end of the entire night by shouting into the microphone don't forget it use your voice vote vote. And I'm sure that all the people here in the room did their part. I'm sure California did their part yeah. So. Now 3 years on in 2019 How do you see the state of things and where we are now where we're headed how are you feeling. Well. It makes one want to have a shot of vodka I think right. Well I mean I don't think that I can add anything to what everyone's thinking. It's. I mean some of the 2 worst things about what I can't even say just to worse there's many worse thing that I'm most worried about and concerned about is the impact on our environment by this administration. And has specially I mean just recently opening up hundreds of thousands of acres of California land to frack when you need millions of gallons of water to do that so I worry about the impact of our environment and I and the way that he of course . Are at this administration speaks of our people. Are migrants are just all just people in general and the bullying in the Crolla he has of course. It's empowered people of like mind not just in America because I travel quite a bit and his influence on a certain element across the board as you travel through Europe as you travel is terribly profound. The goodwill that any goodwill we've had as a country has greatly diminished and this sort of bullying. I don't even like to call it. Right wing just this sensibility. Has permeated everywhere you go and so it's the influence that this administration is having on our future. It's not just about how bad it is now it's about all the repercussions Hell it's going to. Reverberate hell it is reverberating and what it's doing to our waters our land or sea our air our people our people's consciousness our sense of compassion our sense of charity and the ironic thing for me is that this administration is supposed to be representing a certain religious element but the core of Christianity is love and if Jesus if Jesus was here who would he be hanging out with not the Christian right he would be with the migrants he would be with the homeless he would be with the people that you know where they were greatly in need and the very people that are spoken against and so many acts of cruelty that's where he would big That's where he would be extending and it's his hand so they have lost the sense of what it means to be a Christian because the center of Christianity is love. So what do I know. You know you capture in the book the anxiety that so many of us felt the and. Confusion at the end of your art. I feel the same things that you're describing right now well we all means you know most people I mean I I I feel like like I always loved Webb and Frank and in her book you know know what and when you think of what she faced and what happened to her how the she and her book that she still believe that most people were good at heart and most people I believe are but we're we're living it we're being hijacked that good heart is being hijacked. Do you feel a sense of hope moving forward and you were right and I always feel hope I mean what's the alternative you know I mean I don't have the right not to feel hope I have a good life I have I have good children. You know people appreciate the work that I do my health is good there's Piers and in terms of the world I just. I don't even think of it as hope I think I feel like things are happening I look at like this young girl grabbed. My daughter when my when my daughter was 8 years old she had is starting to recycle she became a vegetarian she was lecturing us about you know how much gas are you using how much I mean by the time she was and now she's a climate change activist she has her own nonprofit and I look at what our young people are doing there there are so. Focused and this girl. I I just love her she is she. She is she's so does she's very direct I've watched her speak it's her message is simple this is what we're in the center of something that's real and it's time to act not tomorrow but the 2nd it's again like Jesus when he went up to the Apostles drop your nets and follow me and that's what she's saying drop here in as follow me we have to do this now we have to react now we have to act now we have to March now we have to. Change our whole mindset change the clock and. This this idea because it's one thing that even in our concerts the future are the tagline my tagline is or has been for some time diffuser is now yeah and she's and some many you know millions and millions of young people and that and millions of activists people because we're all potential activists it's now the it's going to be our new favorite word next year but now you have the demonstrations of all the young people last week was it was so incredibly powerful . I just hope that they're the right people start to listen to. These Well they're not going away if you don't listen today tomorrow or the next day they're going to just their numbers are just going to keep growing I don't believe they're going to back down and especially they have at the helm a young girl who does not know how to back down it's not in her makeup to back down and so you know it's just we're going to you know watch them and be part of that part of that growth because we don't need 10000 people marchin we don't need a 1000000 we need millions globally millions upon millions and that's where we're at and there are millions upon millions of young people and we better get it got to join them now. Would you so there's one last person would like to ask you to read before we have some songs the passage on 151 your Monday measure. I dreamed of a long train of migrants walking from one end of the earth to another far beyond the ruins of what had once been home they walked through deserts and barren plains and strangling wetlands where why ribbons up in edible algae brighter than the Persian sky wrapped around their ankles they walked dragging their banners behind clothed in the fabric of lemon Taishan Zz seeking the extended hand of humankind shelter where none was offered they walked where wealth was shuttered within works of architectural mastery immense boulders and casing modern huts ingenuously obscured by dense indigenous vegetation. The air within was dry yet all doors windows in wells were hermetically sealed as if in anticipation of their coming and all doors were closed and I dreamed that all of their hardships were viewed on global screens personal tablets and 2 way wrists watches becoming a popular form of reality based entertainment all watched dispassionately as they tread unforgiving ground hope leading into hopelessness yet all sighed with the motion as part flourished musicians rose from their torpor composing mesmerizing works of symphonic suffering sculpture sprang as it from the covered ground muscular dancers depicted the torments of the exiled rushing the length of great stages as if overcome by nomadic futility all watched riveted even as the world in this dependable folly kept spinning and I dreamed the monkey leapt upon it this mirror ball of confusion and broke into Danson and in my dream it was pouring rain as if with a heart broken vengeance yet unconscious of the weather I went out without a raincoat walking all the way to Times Square people were gathering before a mammoth screen watching the inauguration and a young lad the same who had alerted the populace that the emperor had no clothes cried Look he's back again you led a matter of the bag. The festivities were followed by a new installment of reenactment of the trials of the migrants wooden boats streaked in gold lay abandoned in the shallow waters a gilded mask cut descended screeching and flapping its monstrous wings dancers rived in agony as barbs of compassion pricked their feet the onlookers wrung their hands in sympathetic fury yet this was nothing to those walking the earth the circumference killers tracing words in the wind swept sand for trade us if you must but we are the living thorns the pierced and the piercing and dial woke and what was done was done the human chain was in motion and their voices played in the air like a cloud of ravaging in sex. One cannot approximate truth add nor take away for there is no one on earth like the true shepherd and there is nothing in heaven like the suffering of real life. Well I dream does listen to non. Something banned. There were drama are astronomy and peasants sing the cheers the cheesy was fen phen. Over. Flow being in the he is. In Mother Nature on the run in the 19 said in t. . The learning. On the run in the 9 scene said he. Was lining in. Basement to. The full on. My. Knees I was searching and firing the legs man plan the sun burgers through the sky. Moon was. The man in my hand and then for a good evening. I was thinking back. Then friend Dad said and I was being him was. Thinking. Wonder The friend had said I was being. Well led tree and saw Alyssa to lose big shit. In the yet hey is this. There were children and crime meaning could of others for being lower around that show who's in one. Scene mom in the jurymen flew low being hand b. Gun. They were flying their natures Silver's. To. Hong man the sun. Cheers. To new on. Luke in mother named June on the run in $21.00 if furs send chewed. Their name. On the run in the 21 leave and chewed ri. Thank you thank you. So thank you so much and we talked a bit about process and this little song is called My Blakey and year and it's. I wrote this song myself I mention that because I don't write that many songs by myself but it's was written in the time of personal strife reminding myself that someone like William Blake who had no. No one very little appreciation know very little success he was ridiculed in his life time nearly forgotten but to his dying day he did his work and he maintained his powers of a visionary and maintained this fission so this is a little song for the workers You've been listening to Patti Smith in conversation with Dan Stein this program was recorded at the Sydney quotes computer in San Francisco on October 7th 29. These broadcasts are produced by City Arts and lectures in association with k.q.e.d. 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You know when you walk into a place there hawking dollar oysters Well how do you know when you should turn around and walk out the sure sign that you don't want to be in those oysters is if they look like they were opened by seagulls and by that I mean the way seagulls open oysters they pick they pick them up and they fire really high in the air in the drop them on rocks so there's his they're open but there's there's shards of show everywhere there's dirt in the sea got us but you're finally got that is Dan Sousa from America's Test Kitchen and this week we're all about oysters but you know not a few feet away we're talking to your farmers to hear the incredible story of the 1st place they're celebrity when we get deep into Chinese oyster sauce that's all this hour on The Splendid Table. Live from n.p.r. News in Washington and Barbara Kline House Democrats leading the impeachment inquiry into President Trump say they're evaluating the list of witnesses Republicans say they want to hear from N.P.R.'s Frank says Democrats are expressing some skepticism about the g.o.p. Wish list submitted yesterday they want to call Hunter Biden Joe Biden son and the anonymous whistleblower to testify among others they say Trump has a right to confront his accuser the whistleblower but Democrats say they will protect the whistleblower from retaliation and won't allow him to testify they're also raising questions about Hunter Biden who is at the center of Trump's allegations and the Democrats are saying they won't facilitate any already deep Unc conspiracies public testimony in the inquiry begins Wednesday Bolivian media report president. Has resigned widespread protests over his disputed reelection last month have paralyzed the country and the vote was deemed irregular Jordan says it's retaking control of 2 plots of land it had leased to Israel the lease expired today. Reports the move reflects the cooling relationship between the 2 countries in a speech before parliament Jordan's King Abdullah the 2nd announced the quote imposition of our full sovereignty over every inch of the 2 areas the properties released to Israel for 25 years as part of the 1904 peace agreement between the 2 countries now Jordan has opted not to renew those parts of the treaty in a statement Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that Israel quote regrets Jordan's decision the ministry said that Jordan will respect private property rights in one of the 2 areas and in the other area Israeli firms will be able to harvest the crops they planted before the lease ran out but the farmers will reportedly need visas to get in rather than visit the areas unimpeded as they did before for n.p.r. News I'm Naomi in.

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