21 The move comes despite President Trump's frequent diatribes against Salvadoran immigrants as murderous him as 13 gang members the tiny Central American republic has recently signed agreements to limit asylum seekers passing through its territory on the way to the u.s. Border another agreement directs u.s. Federal immigration agents to train their Salvadoran counterparts Salvadoran official said their citizens in the u.s. Now have another year to secure a lawful residency or citizenship but the trumpet ministration cautions the agreement is not an indefinite extension rather it's an orderly wind down period John Burnett n.p.r. News you're listening to n.p.r. News. Speaker Nancy Pelosi says the u.s. 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Hague supporting African Wildlife Foundation working to ensure the future of Africa's wildlife in wild lands learn more at a w.f. Dot org And Americans for the Arts at Americans for the Arts dot org. Hello I'm Carol good evening I'm Chris Howden this is as it happens. Tonight the military strike and the president strike and Donald Trump took great pride in describing the death of that Daddy our guest says his policies actually made this search for the ISIS leader more difficult witness to the persecution after a dramatic week the impeachment inquiry into President Trump continues and a Republican congressman says the whole thing continues to be unfair sent packing as 16 active fires burning across California hundreds of thousands of people have been forced to flee including our guest who took her family her 2 dogs and her 6 cats the worst case scenario families in Vietnam are convinced their loved ones suffocated inside a refrigerated truck on its way to the u.k. And an anti trafficking expert says All signs point that way in no time flat as Vancouver jogger was running like the wind when the wind knocked the wind out of her by taking down a tree that landed on top of her and package deal for its latest exhibit a museum in Peterborough Ontario has gathered a tiny nightmarish army that will haunt and possibly hunt you forever creepy dogs as it happens the Monday edition radio that usually follows a simple rule Never a dull moment. He was the world's most hunted man and yesterday u.s. President Donald Trump announced to the world that ISIS leader Abu Bakar al Baghdadi was dead according to the u.s. Mr Al Baghdadi detonated a suicide vest during a special forces raid in northwestern Syria Mr Trump is hailed the. Raid as another nail in the coffin of ISIS and says it shows the country's ongoing commitment to fighting terrorism in the region but a lot of people say Mr Al Baghdadi his death came in spite of u.s. Policy in the region Neda bacco says a former CIA analyst whose job involves tracking high profile u.s. Targets from 2000 to 2010 we reached her in Seattle back how significant is the death of Abu Bakr al Baghdadi to the United States in its fight against ISIS I think the removal of Baghdadi as the leader of ISIS is a blow to the organization we have yet to find out if they have a name successor and somebody that is charismatic enough to pick up the mantle No they're not going to be a callous that would be really hard for them to achieve at this point but I think right now the biggest challenge I think trowsers whether or not they can find someone who can galvanize a group they have an ideological split currently at the moment they're grappling with so this could actually really be a blow against the organization itself when you said that they won't find a caliph this was something that Mr Al Baghdadi claim to be that he had he was a descendent of one of the wives of the Prophet Mohammed and that was his claim for a caliphate they say he's charismatic to what extent did he create ISIS Baghdad he was actually a successor he inherited show how that organization from Iraq which was looking. For Cali I was at the CIA at the time as an analyst and then as a targeting officer working on dismantling al Qaeda in Iraq so a lot of what Baghdadi has had done and built was based on a playbook that was written for al Qaeda in Iraq but he took this to a whole other level and he made it. A native organization and that he was able to galvanize a lot of the Rockies that I don't know locks wasn't but when you say that they they borrowed. Mr Al Baghdadi from the playbook was he was the one who led up these be headings of foreigners and others the the brutal punishments and of course this just very very disturbing rapes and the rapes of the women was like that was was Mr Baghdadi unique in that regard in the level of cruelty and barbarity So Cali also had. Video to. Publicly tapes of beheadings of foreigners but Baghdad he did take this to a whole nother level he has brutality and his control through brutality. Was unsurpassed his predecessor didn't operate on the same level in the same scale that . Mr Trump is claiming that he is the he is the successful person in this the same time he what led to this this successful operation as are the intelligence agencies that that he disparages that you mentioned the troops he is withdrawing and the Kurds who feel abandoned so does it appear that the operation was successful despite Donald Trump's policies I think so I think that this was really moving to be a successful operation despite what Trump decision making was we are hearing reports that Trump wasn't briefed on this operation up until very recently so when he made the decision to let Turkey invade essentially he may not have known of this pending operation but at the same time he made that decision so quickly just based on a phone call a 3rd of one time to brief him on this operation at that time so why do you think this operation it was successful despite truck we've also heard Mr Trump is saying that he watched the raid live and he said that Mr Al Baghdadi died screaming crying in whimpering That's a quote what the president. Actually been able to see and hear those kinds of details as he's described them it appears that he was watching a drone feed so he wouldn't have audio like that I don't know where he's getting that information I think he would have just had a video feed from the drone unless some of the special forces on the operators were close enough with any kind of body cam but even then audio is not typically something that he would have access to and it feeds so. I think this is the I tricks just to know I says did not exist before the United States went to war in Iraq because you know and it emerged after that invasion during the war so to what extent is Mr Al Baghdadi and ice is actually a product of u.s. Foreign policy I think ISIS to itself is a product of u.s. Foreign policy we wouldn't have had Al Qaida in Iraq had it not been for the Iraq invasion Baghdadi himself was there already radicalized prior to the invasion it's possible that he would have picked up some Mansoul even under Saddam maybe he would have worked externally and moved out of Iraq it's hard to know at this point but. I says his largely a product of u.s. Foreign policy and do you think Mr Al Baghdadi would have been so successful had it not been for well so many things that happened after the invasion including the arrest of many people and Graves things of that nature do you think that helped him recruit I do think the tactics and the lack of strategy that coalition forces had inside of Iraq did help Baghdad to recruit It certainly helps our carrier recruit but you were in the CIA at that time did it seem to you that this was there was going to be some serious blowback absolutely you could see it from you know just months after the invasion that because we didn't have any way of helping the Iraqis build any kind of governance structure we just let things fall apart we dismantled things ourselves and it was very clear that this is going to be hugely problematic when you have people that have no resources and nothing to do but now they Mr Al Baghdadi is is killed do you think that it will be easy to dismantle what's left of Isis I think is going to be challenging in large part because we have we don't seem to have learned our lesson based on what had happened previously what helped build Isis I mean we're abandoning the area centrally we're not continuing this just you know the the constant war on terrorism isn't necessarily helpful and we need to have a different strategy having just a military response to everything is clearly not helping and this far after 911 the fact that we're still responding in the same way we know that we're going to see the air resurgence and continue to see this problem until we respond differently speckles I really appreciate speaking with you thank you thank you. Naida bacco says a former CIA analyst whose job involves tracking high profile u.s. Targets we reached her in Seattle as the leader of ISIS Abu Bakar al Baghdadi was known for ordering the execution of hostages in the most brutal and horrific ways one of the people ISIS killed in 2014 was the American journalist James Foley Here's James Well these mother Diane Foley speaking on c.n.n. About the death of Mr all about daddy while I was at home and it came as such a welcome surprise really that. I was so grateful we had troops still in Syria who are able to use the intelligence and make this happen I am very very grateful that I'm hopeful that his demise will be a huge blow to the regrouping of ISIS However we need to continue to be very vigilant you immediately expressed concern for the families of the other people Americans who are still held hostage in Syria what do you want the u.s. To do well my hope would be that we can use that same American expertise and intelligence to find innocent Americans who've been taken hostage and bring them home and die and for your family personally you've waited for this for a long time I mean ever since James was abducted 2012 and then killed in 2014 and does this give your family some measure of justice or closure certainly it does I agree with the president that it protects our world this man was out to kill many many more Westerners for sure however I think it's very important that the ISIS fighters who are in custody be brought to trial that was Diane Foley the mother of the journalist James Foley who was killed by ISIS in 2014. She was speaking on c.n.n. . in 2 the. 2 2 am. From Sonoma County in the north of the state to Los Angeles in the south people in California are packing up their families their pets and a few valuables and fleeing the wildfires threatening their communities 16 active fires are burning across the state hundreds of thousands of people have been forced to abandon their homes one of those evacuees is Carla Rossa she left her house in Santa Rosa California early Sunday morning along with her family and a whole lot of pets we reached her today in Petaluma. Kyra at what point did you realize that you were going to have to evacuate because of these fires. We received a notice out for in the morning I guess that would be Sunday morning so the county had been sending out what they call Nick full report so you got these updates and these emergency updates to your phone. And they had set up evacuation zones we were zone 9 which was the furthest zone away like the last evacuation zone. What did you have to do to get ready Well what does who did you have to gather up and and the middle of the night that's difficult isn't it we went through the 2017 fires which prepared us for this in our particular case my husband and I own a small local business we it's an animal care business and we specialize in the year in and out and special needs pets and so I had to start to pull out my clients special paperwork and the things that they might need in case their home burned and get their animals ready my husband had to get are we have 5 cats of our own so we had to gather up you know medications cat food my husband has his own medication you have to make sure you have a full tank of gas and like power you know protein bars things like that in the car so that you can get in the car and go with the animals but not just the animals you have 2 daughters right I do have 2 daughters as well yes girls. I have a stepdaughter who is 22 and I have a daughter who is 14 so they went to 2017 as well so they they know the drill. They did they did yeah in this case my younger daughter was with her father and she was safe so I didn't have to worry about her and her stress level but she. She sense she is sensitive lungs and so in 2017 she collapsed from the smoke and the air quality and so she actually the sign was in a good a good situation how did you how did you transport all of this people animals everything what took what did you have all month vehicle or what. We had 3 vehicles so I've got my own car my husband has a car and my older daughter has a car so you started to just see started to drive out in a convoy and how close was the fire could you see the flames at that point know at that point the fire was had not yet hit when Sir so the fire was. Probably 15 miles away could you smell I mean a little bit then the thing about this particular instance is that the county has has done an excellent job of warning people and they have been really proactive and really erring on the side of caution because. In 2017 we didn't have an alert system and so in 2017 when we laugh I mean it was like a movie like there were pieces of burnt books flying around in the air and you know when we left it was like the world was burning around us what do you know about your house now how close is it to the fire the fire now is about 67 miles from our house it's extremely smoky the air quality is beyond on healthy in our where our home as the winds have died down today but we're expecting another win storm to start tomorrow and that's what people are describing not to do this the fires which are so difficult to deal with in the dryness but these extraordinary winds that have been sweeping through and and for a spreading the fire did you correct then. Yes So I think that is scariest is the lady what the winds are going to do because it only takes one animal to ignite an entire neighborhood and right now from what I can tell on the map is that the following is in holding a long night at one of the main streets that's kind of near the freeway hoping you know really working hard to not let the fire jumped the freeway do you think your house would be safe. I don't know. I don't know I think. When you're in the situation you. Have to let everything go so you know. I don't know if our house is going to be safe and you know I can't risk my client's animal they can't risk my animal so it's best to just stay away and just take it a moment at a time and or really blessed if our house stays safe and our if our house burned down we just will have to take it a step at a time from there people talk about this is being the new normal You've described how much better prepared you were and others were never one was for this but but how how can you going to be a normal How can it it must be no matter what extremely stuff. It is extremely stressful. I thought I never thought this would happen again honestly after 2017 they were calling out a 50 year fire and I never ever thought we'd have to go through that again well you know last year we I guess we're lucky and we didn't have this happen so it skipped a year. But what I'm having to look at is a business owner is you know do I shut down my business every October do I leave the state every October do we do I pick up my family and move away and start over again. I can't I can't deal with the stress every year every October wondering if like we're going to lose our house and you know we had animals die in the 2017 fire I had you know dearly beloved animals cuts away and clients move away I can't go through the separate year so. It's extremely stressful it's directly related to directly related to climate change. I grew up in Sonoma County and so I remember as a child the summers didn't get nearly as hot as they do now we didn't have to deal with. We didn't have fires like this. So the carrot is very stressful and it's it's far from being a new normal it can't be and I bet I'm really happy that you and your family are safe and the animals are safe. Thank you thank you take care of yourself. Carla Rosso left her home in Santa Rosa California behind early Sunday morning she spoke to us from a friend's house in Petaluma. Have you ever he ever opened up a closet and come face to face home with a terrifying dull one with chipped paint sparse hair and an eye that won't open when you immediately imagine reaching for you with its cold baby hand while whispering incantations in Latin. Well a new temporary museum is opening up tomorrow dedicated to exactly those kinds of dolls Ben Hatcher is the co-curator of the creepy doll museum in Peterborough Ontario and that's where we reached him then why would you want to have a museum of creepy dolls Well my co-curator Catherine Bond and I have been collecting them for about 3 years now with the goal of creating some fun event somewhere down the line and this summer we realize we have enough to do something and if we're going to do anything we probably should just get on it and living in Peterborough there's a really big creative communities that we're able to tap into a lot of local authors who wrote the biography for the balls of the dolls will be in the exhibit and Katherine is a seamstress so she wanted another fun project where she makes match you know fits for the curator so she and I and I am of the dolls of course that doesn't explain why you would want to collect creepy dogs. Mostly because we like how people's reactions to them are always different some people find them really frightening other people not really myself but my co-curator finds them cheering and comforting but for the most part people just seem to be really curious about the men are interested in you know the stories if they have them or where they came from and all that sort of stuff at some level all dolls are kind of creepy aren't they kindly clowns I would agree yeah they're stare like they're blank with size and they're you know glass like skin that definitely creeps me out for sure where did you find them we like to say the medium that we don't find the dolls that they find us but in actual fact most of them came from Gresham mills and flea markets sort of in the Peterborough court the area and we also did get a big swath of them later in the summer there's a local well known doll collector in town who was looking downsized so she reached out to us and we were able to secure a number of very bizarre looking dolls from her so that was that was very high and so when you go to garage sales are picking these things up these are things that. Else once except you I would imagine yeah I makes it easy to get them because they're often the last ones left behind there was one that we thought this summer and as I was paying her the 50 cents or whatever it was a woman to grab sale said the last 2 owners of this doll have disappeared so we thought that this was a pretty good addition to our collection you know what yeah what's your creepiest doll in your collection. That dolls name would be Jasmine Doyle and when I moved into Peterborough there's a deep freeze in the basement and she was actually in the deep freeze when we moved in. Shed a glass like face completely paralysed has no why then some of us can appears to be to be peeling back so she I think would be the one that you would not want to wake up. And have it in your room with another creepy doll in the collection not necessarily creepy but a fan favorite is marmalade McFadden she has one eye permanent closed and she always she looks like she's suffering from the worst hangover of her life so when we show people we have some postcards that will be selling in the creepy dull museum gift shop that's the one that people seem to be drawn to you and what do you do with the dolls I mean you dress them up do you display them in a certain way or how do you do this we're not dressing them up so we're trying to sort of exhibit them as they came to us but we did get some cross people to to build various stands and sort of props to hold them up some of them are really like psyche so it would be hard for them to stand up on their own but yeah we had some local craft people that really really helped out with that how are people reacting to them who lots of positive lots of positive feedback so people are all a little bit spooked out but I'd say the number one reaction is just pure curiosity people are really excited you know to see the collection and to see what the author has had to say and we're hoping that it'll be more of an event than just a museum so people can show up the event will be licensed so hopefully people get some liquid courage to make their way through but people are mostly just curious how did kids react. My co-curator has 2 children one of them loves but dolls and plays would love to drag them around everywhere the other why I love them a little bit less some kids I think would not really enjoy their presence while others sort of appreciate the humor and what we're trying to we're trying to do with it some of them completely spooked by them yes my nephew was staying with us the summer when when we got a big collection of them and he was very spooky so I had to make sure I locked him up in the Cabinet if he was going to continue to sleep over but you stored these on your house you know like closets full of creepy dolls. My partner doesn't really allow them to be so I keep them locked up Katherine stores hers out in the open in her kitchen and in her living room all over the place which she says sometimes causes problems when she brings dates home for dinner or over for dinner but for the most part I keep my it locked up she keeps or is on display so what do you do with your dolls after this show is over you know Katherine will probably be pretty most of them on her shelves depending how much fun we have the next few days and I expect it's going to be a lot we're hoping to make us a more annual event here in Peterborough and our dream is to take the show on the road even if it's just you know 10 minutes up the road to Lakefield or just a little bit down the road a cobra we would love to take it take it on the road he was very spooky creepy doll museum picture with a doll in a cemetery with their face cracked Yes that would be Jasmine Oh yeah that's the one that I found in my head might be for if we're going to share this with people then thank you thank you very much Carol happy Halloween here to take care. Ben Hatcher is the co curator of the creepy doll museum in Peterborough Ontario the temporary space is launching tomorrow and if you want you can see the dolls on our Web page c.b.c. Dot ca slash Ai h. Don't worry we come in peace Those are the words Florida law used to greet the stars of comebacks recording industry last night Mr Billow made his name as the lead singer for the a new band cashed in he was speaking on stage at the end you will fail Leaks awards in Montreal the gala honors the year's achievements in music but the reason for Mr reassurance was that this was the 1st time an award was being given for best indigenous artist of the year for Avalon won it and he took the stage accompanied by a group of his fellow nominees he thanked the Music Association for recognizing them quote not just because we're indigenous but also because we're good from 1904 this is Florida law and cashed in with. A title that translates roughly as take care. The title song from cashed in 1994 album. All right we're going to go short break now but the Monday edition of as it happens will continue in a moment when we return on due process the impeachment inquiry against us President Donald Trump has already included damaging testimony from several key figures but a Republican congressman says the most shocking aspect of the process so far is how unfair it is to stay tuned. And I'm Chris how. It's the start of another week of the impeachment investigation into us President Donald Trump and if last week was any indication it will be eventful as you may have heard on our show America's top diplomat in Ukraine gave what has been called Bombshell testimony last Tuesday and the day after that dozens of House Republicans stormed a secure committee room to protest the proceedings now with more witnesses scheduled Republicans continue to criticize the process as unfair and secret Jeff Fortenberry is a Republican congressman from Nebraska we reached him in Washington d.c. Congressman Ford and I how are congressional Republicans preparing for the possibility of an impeachment trial of your president well we are seriously concerned about the unfairness of this entire process the impeachment inquiry is being held in the Secret Intelligence Committee this is one of the most solemn acts that a member of Congress can ever undertake and this whole process is frankly unprecedented the last 2 impeachment trials of last century had certain precedents and this incredulous process really is undermining the credibility of the House of Representatives and this is a huge problem it seems to be that the reason for that they say the Democrats say is that they're interviewing witnesses privately right now because they don't want their witnesses tailoring their testimony or corroborating the testimony with each other so is that what's your response to that So the witness is not tailoring their their testimony one another suggests that there is a fundamental entanglement with a political consideration that they do not trust administration officials and this is part of the sentiment the animist toward the president is underlying the very motives for impeachment here and actually it's undermining the credibility of the House of Representatives to be holding this in secret members like me who have top secret clearances have trouble getting the fullness of information ourselves so this is a this is a problem in a lot of levels at the same time we know that recently it's been reported that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell did give a Power Point presentation at. Review of how an impeachment trial in your chamber would be conducted and suggested that there could be articles of impeachment by saying your Thanksgiving and the Senate could be with the trial of Mr Trump which would conclude possibly by Christmas do you think that's realistic I don't know Carolus and I have an expression in my office this is a complex small tight layered issue with many cross currents running in parallel and so the pitchman process is got a political motive there are realities of complexities dealing with the situation with Ukraine remember this all started it's good to take a little assessment of the timeline Russia invades Ukraine President Obama sends Ukraine a with the approval of Congress including myself it's non-lethal aid President Trump continues that policy but both with lethal aid but both President Obama and president trumps administration responding to the laws passed by Congress have to do in queries into whether or not Ukraine is making sufficient progress on corruption which is very real in fact Ukrainian politicians been in my own office new members of their parliament who've been elected young people who are who are filled with bigger and eager for reform we've had the same hard conversation you will get to the heart of this corruption in your society we are not you're not going to become a protector of the United States so these are the motives the primary motive here of trying to speak to the Ukrainians directly about the issue of corruption it appears that Vice President Biden when he was in office had a quid pro quo told the Ukrainians they were going to get the aid unless they did something in the call with between President Trump and the president of Ukraine it does not appear there's a quid pro quo there Ukraine got its aid the Ukrainians didn't even know there were aid was being withheld and this is one of the facts that needs to be out there as people try to just subjectively reason their way through this and disentangle it from any political motive directed at the president. But among the witnesses u.s. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sunland has said that he says I'm quite he cautions he's not a lawyer but he believes there was a quid pro quo and we heard much respected diplomat Bill Taylor who describes what you're saying that there is a foreign policy trajectory but he said there was kind of an alternate a behind the scenes trajectory that was being conducted mostly by Rudy Giuliani did you not have problems hearing that Mr Giuliani may be running White House foreign policy when it comes to Ukraine such. Complexity here but all I'm looking at is the conversation between the president and the president of Ukraine and in the full context of what everybody else is saying is not known to us those of us who have may have to take an impeachment vote by the way which would then call for the trial in the Senate that's how this works starts it starts in the house but do you not have any concerns about what you're hearing about what Mr Giuliani has been up to about this parallel foreign policy being being run I mean whether it has parallels in other times another administrations does not give you pause. The Giuliani consideration is a separate consideration of course that's disconcerting I don't know exactly what he was doing and many people don't know as well if he was hired by the president to do some things for political purposes that's another consideration but the reality here is it's as though there is a conviction and then we'll try to convict people that it's correct and this is upside down and backwards and not fair when you say that it's in secret at the same time though they within the proceedings there are about 47 Republicans on the 3 committees who are taking part in asking questions so the Republicans are in the room are they not. Republicans on relevant committees are in the room but I tell you I'm getting my news this morning from a national news talk show who is quoting Mark Meadows who's in the room who's trying to relay information back to Republicans in general is that really fair to me a person who may have to take a vote on this I've sent the committee themselves a letter asking to have access to all of these records they deny that is there is some point how would you see it differently if there is to be this is to proceed and it appears it's going to be what do you want to be different are you pressing Democrat colleagues on the same questions by the way I'd like to know because I have just as well I'm glad to hear that because the media has a very important role here to actually promote the idea of both transparency and fairness but can I ask you again what would you if you said you wanted was to be an architect of an impeachment hearing I mean I think that's what you're after what would you what would make it fair in your eyes again there's precedence for this based upon when you had a Republican speaker of the house and a sitting Democratic president and the roles were also reversed in the last century and so that's your model that you would like to see them can well that's a precedent and it seems to have not undermine the credibility of the entire proceeding again holding this in secret is actually diminishing the credibility of the proceeding itself in the House of Representatives to I just want to clarify one thing earlier when I said that we had to challenge Democrats what we have done is to have people who are supportive of the process but feel as you do that there's supporting the Democrats but they feel as you do that this is not the right way to do it that they would like to see a more open Well good then I chose well in choosing to speak to you today if you're trying to be fair Mr Trump has called Republicans who criticize him human scum does that kind of rhetoric make you reluctant to challenge him. The president has a smack down political style he is a tough Brajesh new. York businessman I am a Nebraskan we look to the end of the field and figure out how we're going to plow the road straight without a lot of drama so just because you have a difference in style doesn't mean you can't be aligned around policy believe it there Mr Fortenberry thank you thank you very much that was Jeff Fortenberry a Republican member of the u.s. House of Representatives from Nebraska he was in Washington d.c. . When Montreal model an artist originated died in August 28th seen police sources told Roger Canada his death was a suicide misters in a who also went by Zombie Boy was best known for his head to toe tattoos he held to Guinness records and appeared in a Lady Gaga video misters in a died last year after falling from a 3rd floor balcony and even at the time his manager insisted that it was an accident and now a coroner's report backs him up corner may this again young concluded that Rickson a had been happy in the weeks before his death and had recently gotten engaged the coroner could find no evidence that he had any intention to end his own life but says that the fall was an accident as a result of intoxication 11 years ago before Reginae became Zombie Boy Tamara Anis formed an unlikely friendship with him when he was in her small auto area town filming from our archives here she is speaking with guest host ph Hadda Padda In August 28th. He was so sweet and just as sweet kid I know he was living on the streets of Montreal at the time I just seem like a lost kid you know he was really happy to be a part of this movie he was he was just very sweet you know once he got past the surprise of this tattooed face and body and you realize it wasn't makeup the person it was just so sweet boy next door and for people who have never seen what Rick's to have to look like he's was covered head to toe every last inch of his skin was covered in them describe those tattoos for us I know he had different ones sort of funny ones every day ever on parts of his legs for that but for his entire body was a recreation of being a zombie so it was all your muscles your bones your tendons the whole thing brains on this forehead on top of his head pardon me like a skeleton the whole thing was a one piece of art really if you were to look at it it was just an artistic expression of who he was he was. That was tomorrow Amazon as it happens in 2018 after the death of her friend Reginae today a coroner's report ruled that the Montreal model an artist's death was accidental not suicide. 'd 'd at the end. For the affected families in Vietnam the worst news is yet to come authorities in the u.k. Still have not identified the 39 people who suffocated inside a refrigerated truck last week initially they said the victims were all Chinese nationals but slowly reports came out of Vietnam of anxious families convinced that their loved ones had died inside that truck now there are several stories emerging from Vietnam of payments to human smugglers of exhausting journeys across Europe and of hopes of finding work and a better life in the United Kingdom many of you is an independent Auntie trafficking expert in Vietnam we reached her in hope she meant city. Maybe based on reports you've heard are you convinced that most of these victims inside the truck were from Viet Nam. I look back what they could be I mean I would like to wait for the final verification but from the trial route and the patterns of the last messages to the parents it seems like it very well could be at least a portion of them to me there are 2 places in the now where families are very anxious we've heard some interviews with family members who say they're their loved ones their kids went off to work in the u.k. And they haven't heard from them and now they fear they're not coming back again this year so most of the migrants and you know potential trafficking victims from that go to the u.k. Only come from a handful of provinces in the country most of that are young men and boys and most of them come from either gang province or how they can province these 2 provinces persist that kind of Origin provinces for the to meet going overseas to work and then to send money back home why these $2.00 provinces what what's significant about that it's nothing if theory so in the 1980 s. When Vietnam had their labor export program where they exported workers from get to the former Soviet bloc countries most of the workers came from kind of the central north and northern part of Vietnam and families girl up kids grow up getting used to having parents or relatives going abroad to work and then sending money back home and these this money is used to build homes and buy motorbikes and send other kids to school or pay for health care what he tried and true has always been going to Europe or the u.k. To do nails and then sending money back home to do nails I mean to work in a salon and yes but no is it how much does it change because at one time there would have been. Services to help people now it's smugglers and traveler says yes they call them in Vietnamese which literally means service so it's still considered a service if it's kind of you know a cross between a travel agency and an employment agency because in the package that you buy the parents are just paying for the travel but it's also everything beyond in terms of training in getting a job does this seem like an example of a of a movement of people to get work that's gone seriously bad I mean of course it's gone bad there are these people have been found dead in this truck but is it do you think that this is something that was that other trucks are getting through and this is just one example where something horrible happened yeah thousands of trucks cross every single day and it's impossible for border forests on either side of the border in France or in England to inspect every single truck but so these these people men and women in this truck without any air and we were horrible messages sent back by one young woman who is texting her family and if you saw that but just saying I love Mum I love you so much my journey abroad hasn't succeeded I'm dying because I can't breathe how did you react when you read that it's heartbreaking to someone who was not Vietnamese or not Asian but for for people who are part of this culture we understand what understand exactly all the meaning behind all of her words so when she said I'm sorry Mom for not succeeding she is apologizing for failing she failed the family she failed her parents she's sorry because she her parents sacrificed they took on this debt in order to send her the quote unquote lucky one to go you know had a chance to go abroad to work to have a better life than what they think she could have. Have in Vietnam and she didn't succeed in getting to the u.k. So she feels like she failed her family because now there's nobody going abroad who can earn the money back to repay the debt Secondly she talks about her address so when she lists her address you know a lot of people thought that was kind of odd but it makes perfect sense because she knows she's dying and so the main concern for her in putting down her address is to make sure that people know whoever finds her body knows to send where to send her body back to Vietnam to her parents so that they can conduct a proper Peter All right and burial ceremonies so that her spirit can pass on peacefully so it's so awful and in addition to this her family gets this message but they also they have read mortgage their home to sender on the journey and are faced with the equivalent of $50000.00 Canadian in debt so what kind of what does that debt represent to them Do you think that's a lot of the entire family future you know it's like looked at as an investment in the family future through the daughter she was one is forced to go abroad she was the one who's supposed to earn money and then send money back home and repay that debt it's become more difficult for people to cross borders and one of the series or one of the speculations about this transport was that it was going by a very long route in order to avoid places where they might get inspections they can Calloway was there a message going back is there a sense in the Now that might be does too fraught with problems and too dangerous to make these journeys maybe temporary but it will people still go the people who are still at risk who are risk for going. Their lives have not changed they still lack access. To opportunity in education they still believe that there's nothing of it that can help them have a better future they still believe that the only way to earn a living is to go abroad so until we change those beliefs and those behaviors through messaging but also through provision of opportunity job opportunities training and education until we can do that successfully This is not going to change so you've heard from people who are still trying to get across some in college I would of these thing to you. There are scared I have right now because I've interviewed. In recent days to me if you are in the detention centers and they're scared they know about what's going on they're worried but they owe money and they're just so close to the u.k. Border it's hard for them to say you know what I'm going to turn around and go back to Vietnam as a failure they're scared about continuing on but for them they really don't have any choice but to continue on so once you've launched a voyage of this nature there's no going back no one once you have borrowed money and turned that money over to the service there's no going back. Mimi appreciates speaking with you and your work thank you you know problem thank you. Mimi who is an independent anti trafficking expert in Vietnam she's in a whole team and city. When Carol spoke with art experts to found Panta last month he estimated the painting might go for $4.00 to $6000000.00 euros at auction he was a little off yesterday the 13th century painting the Mr Panther believes is by Italian artist way sold for 24000000 euros The painting is called Christ mocked it was discovered earlier this year in Northern France it hung for years in a woman's house near her kitchen until she was clearing things out and an auctioneer saw the painting Here's that art experts to describing his initial reaction to the painting we had the goosebumps when we had the picture in hand and we just and Stan that it was something probably major probably very impressive and very emotional and even if we have to face 1st in the 1st 2nd that the picture was by. Which we just had the feeling that picture was very important and very early it's a very very early picture we thought it could be by not if that Giotto due to all maybe and the only name that could be suggested if we can think that picture was. To not wait a great big giant sea medley and the rest was quite easy tribute in was quite easy because we have to part of the take that now has been out for the day that we just have found that if we know 2 pieces of this puzzle the 1st one. Is now in a free connection in New York and it's the same size exactly the same as one and. And that nothing happened until the $999.00 when the 2nd panel of the same sky at the same scale in the same dimensions was sound in a shuttle in England every ski was it was evident that the picture was by the same hand and force part of the same Dick Dick So this painting that you suspect is by this well this master this Byzantine era painted to match and that it's part of a series What's the picture of what can you describe what is the image the image of our painting the looking of Christ you have in the center of the composition you have the Christ with a very very quiet attitude and he's surrounded by your crew huge crowd of people very angry of course the picture was said to be an icon of the budget Byzantine period by the children but that's exactly what Jim Abbott changes in the history of art he took the bait and trying to think it through the new modern Western Art He just changed everything and he introduced the movement he introduced the. Spectate and he introduced to be the factional type of expressions in faces and that's exactly what the change in the history of art. From our archives that was to fan Panta an art expert with the firm cabinet in Paris yesterday that painting he was talking about sold for 24000000 euros at auction. Time Carol after as it happens is history in the United States by Public Radio International. From coast to coast this is c.b.c. Radio. Public Radio International support for Alaska Public Media comes from Continental Subaru and fall can tires from high performance to winter tires installations and rotations included Continental dash Subaru dot com and from listeners like you thank you the killing of an unarmed black man by police in Atlanta 80 years ago I wonder motor mood bomb on board members of the plane today the city still doesn't recognize the case as a lynching I just think of the history I think they don't want to take responsibility confronting in the legacy the next reveal. 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