Legalizing is probation is an abject failure. Marijuana is easily and readily available today to anybody that wants it. The choice that we have is not whether or not marijuana is good or bad or yes marijuana or no marijuana. Its simply out there and it exists. We are saying we are far better off taxing and regulating something thats already there, sending those tax dollars to our schools rather than keeping it illegal for the enrichment of criminal drug the best argument against is we dont have to look far we look at colorado. He talks about probation being a failure. Look what its done to colorado. There have been increased traffic deaths due to marijuana. Accidentle ingestion rates for youth have skyrocketed because they are looking like regular gummy bears. You see colorado leading the nation now in teen use. We dont have to look far to see what its done to colorado. Thats number one, number two, need to know was drafted by marijuana special interests and they have funded over. 0 of their campaign barks 90 of their campaign because people like j. P. Will benefit and reap millions from this. If this happens, they led a very Misleading Campaign by saying this is safer founds, more mawn for schools. It will enrich the marijuana special interest pocketbooks. The argument that this is really should be treated the same as of promoted that idea. Yes. Are they really the same thing . Marijuana and alcohol in the sense that one is legal and one is not. But in terms of the effects on society, do you think we know that marijuana is far safer than alcohol in every single regard. So i think if we were to turn the clock back 100 years and people said we have a choice. Will we make marijuana legal or alcohol legal, i think overwhelmingly people would on the body. It doesnt promote or incite violent behavior. We look at incidences and problems and we can talk with our Law Enforcement community and ask them the same question which i do on the regular basis and Police Officers will say, i get into fights regularly with drunks. Very rarely if ever have i ever had a confrontation with somebody that was under solely the influence of marijuana. We know marijuana is objectively safer in every single regard. We arizona that criminalization is a felony charge. Arizona is some of the harshest marijuana laws in the country. Why are we continuing to criminalize and here in arizona we arrested and charged more than 150,000 individuals since 2005 with felony charges for simple marijuana possession. If somebody has a joint in marijuana, they have a joint and they are caught, generally they are not going to get a felony here is what happens. The charges a felony here in arizona so you go in front of the county attorney and he says, well, you can either have a felony on your record or you can go to this task diversion program. Now here is something thats interesting because Bill Montgomery the county attorney is probably the most vocal opponent of proposition 205. Just this week it was revealed that his Office Receives kickbacks from the task force to the tune of year. We were essentially prosecuting for profit. Ribo money . No rico money . Thats the money thats paid by those choice of a felony or go to the diversion program. I have to jump in. Wild neakacies. First of all the same Law Enforcement have come out in opposition of 205. The Arizona Police association, the police i have to ask them why. I can tell you why. They have seen what this is sergeant out of colorado who leads the Drug Task Force in colorado he came down and spoke to many groups here and talked about this and said legalization does not solve problems. Decriminalizing does not solve problems and only increases them. This gets a question i asked you. On balance is it better to have more people high or drunk Walking Around . Thats the question the voters need to answer. Most voters will tell you, no. Just because got . Absolutely not. But just to dispel another inaccuracy here, no, its not true that in arizona there is the harshest penalty for maryland. Thats not for inmates are behind bars because of marijuana. In arizona you dont go to prison or jail for you end up with a felony. You end up with a felony on your record. Can go to a diversion program, yes, thats true. Most of the folks behind prison right now are because they pled down from distributing it or these are higher value more drug. I think there is absolutely truth to this. Our prisons are not filled with casual marijuana consumers. I think thats a misnomer thats been put out there. The reality is that while they dont go to prison they do end up with criminal records. Smoking weed you should probably shouldnt be in that group. Of course. Absolutely not. People that are consuming something objectively safer than alcohol why not change the drug law rather than full legalization. Thats exactly what we are doing today. We are changing that. Doing more than that. And another thing i got to butt in and say there is no objective evidence that marijuana is safer than alcohol, absolutely not and thats why most of the Law Enforcement lets fact check that one. Anything that increases traffic deaths is not more safe than alcohol. You with agree that more deaths are caused by alcohol than meyer withinna. I wouldnt marijuana. I would these are apples and oranges. Thats what you are comparing. Marijuana affects everyone differently if you ingest it or eat it, it takes about 90 minutes for you to feel the full effects of it. Lets talk about somebody who eats a brownie, cookie, you name it and then feels fine and 90 minutes later goes out and drives and kills someone that is something that happened in all of the other states that legalize it and i dont think any of the voters want here. Thats been debunked by certainly the Colorado Department of transportation. And i would ask you, your news station and anybody else to go ahead to the Colorado Department of transportations website and look up their traffic fatalities and look up that data. It doesnt match with what you are being told. Provide our stats, too. It seems to me if you want to get marijuana, they have no trouble getting it right now. Yeah, and i will point another thing out that is misleading here, some have said that and i think that one of the things that the other campaign right now the proponents are trying to confuse that this prop 205 is about medical marijuana. Thats not what we are talking about. If you let me finish my point. Yes, anyone who needs medical marijuana can get im not talking about medical. Im somebody who high can get their hands on so esly. Then why should we have something thats going to legalize it its not about legal iing it. If you read proposition 205 and we encourage every single voter to go to our website and we have the entire language in there. If you wanted to decriminalize marijuana just go do a simple change in the paragraph and do it. This creates special monopolies for the marijuana special interest. Its a money thing. And its a money thing and funded in proposition 205. Jp . I think we should talk about the money thing. We talk about the funders of my side of the campaign. Certainly we had the Marijuana Policy project thats supported to the tune to about 1 million. The remainder meaning about threequarters of the campaign has come fro local dispensers. I dont think its a surprise that those people involved in the medical Marijuana Industry are supportive of ending the failed policies of thats not a surprise to anybody. But what is a surprise to people is that weve seen opioid manufacture come in and contribute about half a Million Dollars to their campaign. We have seen prison contractors contribute about 180,000 to their campaign. So when we have Opioid Drug Companies and then you have prison contractors contributing to keep marijuana a felony in the state of arizona, that tells me everything that i need to know about the no campaign. Cut through it tell them what it means. Probation is in place and felony probation is in place because its profitable for those agencies and those governmental agencies to do so. And the drug companies. Absolutely. First off arizona based company. We are very proud that weve had a lot of donation from arizona based companies because they know this will reap major consequences for their employee loss and employees, you name it. Let me ask you about that. One of the questions about that is how do you maintain drugfree work place once this passes. , jp, you start. We need to simply look at the text of the initiative. And i like to refer back to the text of the initiative because it makes sense. Its 20 pages. Yeah, it is 20 pages and i know thats been a criticism by our opponents my response is reading is hard and i think even more politicians can read 20 pages. They cant get through that get through the aca. I can read. This chapter does not require an employer to allow or accommodate the possession or consumption of marijuana or marijuana products in the workplace and does not affect the ability of employers to enact and force work place policies restricting the consumption of marijuana. Same as alcohol. You cant have an employee that comes in chronically drunk. They will bounce that person. If they come in they are impaired or under the influence, whatever it is, this is a right to work and the funny part of it is that there are marijuana advocates out there that are very unhappy about this because they are saying, wait a second here, if my employer wants to drug test me and i am positive for marijuana that employer can fire me which is true. They can i believe the employers should have the right to maintain whatever type of work place policies they see fit and im getting a lot of criticism for marijuana advocates my employer should not be allowed to fire me. Tam long time. The metabolites can remain in the system for up to 30 days. That can be potentially a problem if it were legalized if the employers could cause trouble for employees and may not be high at the moment but its in their system. The remnants or those metabolites may be in their system so those employers that want to maintain whatever policies they see fit have the ability to do so. Never number one what you just said is absolutely correct. What he is failing to mention also in that 20 page is that first right off the bat it says it creates a statutory right for every citizen in arizona to use marijuana, grow marijuana. Where does it say that can you show me that because it doesnt say that. Number two, it is explicitly says if only way you can get punished for having a statutory right is if its in that initiative. In the 20 pages where it will lay out. We dont have a statutory right to use alcohol in arizona. Sell alcohol. Statutory right. Its not there. The word dg dpsh. Show me. If somebody goes out for lunch and go back home and they eat a brownie and you just point out right now those metabolites stay in your system. If they come back to work and 90 minutes later they are starting to feel the effects of it and they cause an accident and you are talking about a manufacturing plant, now that company has to bring a lawsuit essentially on themself because they will have to prove this this was due to malfeasance offe the tort lawyers dream. This is what they are after now. Looking at all of the different employer ramifications thats why employer. Many employers have come out against it and contributed to our campaign. Let me clear this up because i have in my language here tell the new law allows anyone 21 or older to buy up to an ounce of marijuana or five grams of concentrated marijuana beginning march 2, 2018. Thats correct. Current possession law which states possession of any a marijuana or one joint is a felony. No longer a felony for that. But in practice persons who are charged, generally off for probation and we talked about that. Anyone 21 or older would be able to grow up to six of their own plants. Although landlords are allowed to prohibit growing plants on their property. Is that the long and short of what we got here . Yeah, that sums it up. Thats an accurate stame medical marijuana licenses for retailers . Who gets first dibs on that . This is an expansion of the medical Marijuana Program. Those existing medical marijuana. Because they have a Physical Plant and already in the business but they get the first jump on it. So proponents argue this is an economic thing for people like you who are owners who want to expand the business what do you say to that . If they want to talk about having more dispensaries in this state im thrilled to have that when we were drafting this we went up to colorado and started looking around and went to denver and in denver they have more dispensaries than they do starbucks and stub ways and mcdonalds combined. We look at this and this isnt necessarily. That speaks to demand. We looked at this and i dont think this is what arizona voters want. We would rather have a far more limited program like we do with the existing Marijuana Program today. Its out there. Its available. Its not in your face the way that we have seen it is in colorado. So if we had gone the colorado route with unlimited licensing, there is no doubt in my mind they would be screaming from the top of their lungs there is a dispensary on every other corner and they would be correct. When we tried to limit it they say we are trying to create a monopoly which doesnt add up. Weve got 09 dispensaries right now. Certificates for about 30 more this year. Bringing the total to about and dhs has issued about 100,000 cards for medical marijuana. 100,000. It strikes me that we already have a channel to get weed if you are dieing to get it and you go to a homeopath it seems easy to get it to me. And first off let me correct of the other thing that colorado has that arizona wont have is the ability to alter the law. They modified the law in colorado. Counties and cities can opt out. Under proposition 205 they cannot opt out if there is an existing medical m dispensary already and number two, there is no way we can alter this and thats a very important fact. That is true because Voter Protection laws. Est talk about that. Very important for arizona voters to understand if they pass this the governor cannot repeal it the legislature or because of the Voter Protection act passed. Only way to amend it is to further its purpose. Little History Lesson is in order here. In 1996 arizona passed the first medical marijuana law. Wiped it off the books. Disrupted the voters and said we dont care what you had to say we are wiping it off the books. The next opportunity they came back as john sperling, founder of university of phoenix came back with a Voter Protection act and said if the voters pass something, the state legislature can only change it with a threequarter vote majority which means they bipartisan and in furtherance of the act. Now if they want to make other changes, any state legislator can refer this back to the ballot for either repeal or for any modifications. They dont have to collect the signature. Thats a tough process. Its a harder process but thats the point and the point is because the state legislature dont let the politicians tinker. Thats the point. Agreeing that wont be able to happen in arizona. It can happen. But it will be difficult. My point is unlike colorado. It should be difficult. They have no ability or in colorado they have an ability to opt out cities and towns. Legislature can amen it, fix it. In colorado they are banning edibles. No they are not. They didnt pass a law no, they not. They didnt ban certain edibles. You said they are banning edibles. Lets talk about this. I will let you talk about this in the break. We are back on newsmaker sunday. Fascinating debait on prop 205. Full legalization of marijuana. You are voting on it we will back on newsmaker sunday. Prop 205 to fully legalize marijuana in arizona. They have done it in colorado and Washington State so we have some states we can look to kind of get a sense of how its working. J. P. Holyoak is a supporter of legalizing recreational marijuana. And adam degier is no on proposition 205 Campaign Manager. Its been discussed i that the money some of it will go toward education. Thats something that anybody in this state im sure says thats an interesting idea. We need more money for education. You love that part of the prop. Its an important part of this. And then there is these commercials that are running against us saying the money is not going to go to education and they point to colorado and i think that there should be an explanation of the differences. Here in arizona. We said, okay. We will put that money directly to the schools. It doesnt go to the general state legislators to do the right thing. They have demonstrated history malfeasance on education issues in this state. We have the jlbc which put a net number of about 55 joint legislative budget committee, nonpartisan. We have the Nonpartisan Tax Foundation thats put out a higher number as well as the grand Canyon Institute which has put out a higher number in colorado, only the first 40 million could go to education. And so the School Districts then apply to the state funds and their application process favors the rural School Districts. So you see these commercials. They say denver got nothing. Well, guess what denver schools didnt even apply for any of the money. We have only about a minute left. Will the money go to schools. No. Over the 55 million, does that buy every single child a tech book in arizona . I dont know education budget i can tell you is 9 billion in arizona. So 55 million doesnt buy a tech book for every single certainly doesnt give any teacher a raise. You think this is simply. Is that farce as Marketing Strategy and thats why they have led with that if you look at the prop 205 signs no where does it say anything about marijuana but more money for schools. Thats a very misleading tactic. Couple of Closing Remarks from our guests. Prop 205. Hillary clinton im Hillary Clinton and i approve this message. Vo in times of crisis america depends on steady leadership. Donald trump knock the crap out of them, would you . More about isis than the generals do, believe me. Vo and calm judgment. Donald trump and you can tell them to go fu k themselves. Vo because all it takes is one wrong move. Donald trump audio only i would bomb the sh t out of them. Vo just one. Closing segment, we are legalize marijuana in arizona. J. P. Holyoaks supporter. On the right of your screen adam degaire is the Campaign Manager for the no on prop 205. We talked about colorado. Is colorado instructive when arizona voters assess how this might play out here . Very much so. You know, as i mentioned earlier, the colorado experiment we believe has been a failure but at worse or at best for them its we have seen is major consequences like i talked about in traffic deaths, accidental ingestion rates and superintendents in colorado saying where is the pot money we were promised. The cherry creek superintendent came out and said the only thing that legalized marijuana brought to our schools is more marijuana. Thats another fact. What about kids going to schooling high because this is easier to get their hands on. I dont think any parent wants that. At the end of the day the institutions that we have for safeguarded from those things. We know thats impossible, but legalizing marijuana is only going make that problem even more worse because you will have folks who are its going to be more accessible. You will have children and we seen also in colorado superintendents who come out and said our expulsion rates have increased. Disciplining kids for selling it at school. Do you worry about kids getting their hands on this stuff. It will be easier . No its not going t easier. Teenagers for decades have reported that its easier for them to get marijuana than for alcohol and the data actually demonstrates whats happened in colorado. This is the Colorado Survey that represents about 17,000 students in colorado that were surveyed. The survey that no campaign likes to tout was less than 400 students. So 17,000 of them, this is the colorado data. This is absolutely what colorado uses as their standard. Its a simple fact. Its right here. Less than fewer kids are using it. Its gone down and not up in colorado and thats a simple fact. You think its inaccurate. Four counties in a survey that are missing. For one. 16,000 kids. And our study is the Actual National federal study that goes into every state. This seems counterintuitive. You think its out there and more kids would be using it. That just our argument that marijuana is so pervasive and so readily and easily accessible that when we legalize marijuana, we are putting it in the hands of responsible taxed and regulated businesses rather than criminal drug dealers that have an incentive to sell to those teenagers. We are putting those drug dealers out of business. You think that money will go to schools. The data backs it up. Colorado is allocated 40 million and they got all 40 million. Arizona doesnt have a limit to the amount the program you are a conservative. Im a conservative republican. Im a conservative, too. So lets go with limited government argument. What about for folks who say just stay out of my business. If i want to smoke weed, let me smoke it. The same folks who are limiting government also dont want more government and thats what proposition 205 does. What jp is also and he has in that initiative and helped write, it the very first revenue that comes in creates more marijuana is like a liquor board. Only got ten seconds left. Marijuana you think it will pass . I think it will pass. You think it will fail. I think it will fail. I think folks are going to read the initiative themselves and will see the facts and vote against it. Thank you for being here. Appreciate it. And we will have a result for you hopefully on tuesday night. Maybe not until wednesday. We will have to see how close it an apartment an an apartment complex in good morning. An apartment complex in payson erupts in flames after a massive explosion. Multiple injuries are reported. We will have the latest happened. 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