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Friends I'm Father way Mini's as of the fathers of mercy welcome to this segment the crux of the matter today I'd like to talk briefly about the 7 sacraments and their limited frequency that is how often the church teaches we should normally receive them 3 of the sacraments can only be received once that's it once this is because of the spiritual character or the indelible mark they leave on the Christian soul never to be erased these 3 sacraments of course are baptism confirmation and holy warriors to mourn the sacrament that is confession and Eucharist can they receive both repetitiously that is again and frequently daily if you want them provided it's not scrupulosity that is leading one to daily confession in the last 2 sacraments matrimony and in 1000 of the sick can be received repetitiously but not frequently in other words they can indeed be received again for example if your spouse dies you can remarry but they are not received daily the knowing of the sick can be received whenever one begins to be in danger of death because of sickness or old age and for those in a so-called persistent illness state say with cancer the knowing of the sick can be received monthly and again whenever one's health condition worsens rooted deeply in sacred scripture let us remember that each sacrament is an educationist sign of grace instituted by Christ and intrusted to the church by which divine life is dispensed to us through the work of the. Holy Spirit you know I remember my sacramental theology professor at seminary teaching us men that sacrament when really received. It with the Lord Jesus literally In other words the mystery of Christ may present and this is the crux of the matter I'm Father way to thank you for joining us from our information go to e.w.t.n. Dot com and click on faith. Welcome to the wisdom of sun It pushed down the figures to Benedict Mashal has produced many wonderful teaching series but to get you to them and we're delighted to see the number of them going on today's episode of the series the Holy Spirit in our mind here's. A low I'm for the Benedict Rachelle of the Franciscan Friars of the renewal in the South Bronx and this is the 3rd kings and the last segment a last series on the Holy Spirit in your life and in mine. Now this is Ben daily theological series I wish I had time to review all the marvelous things the Holy Spirit does for us but today I must turn my attention to the Holy Spirit and all promise of eternal life. Everybody has to be entrusted and what happens to you when you die. We lose everything we have everything meaningful that we ever owned or were all possessed all new gone. Is our only all bloody and. All if there is life after death. What is it like is it like no exit that awful frightening play done by John Paul Sartre where Hell is a hotel room with 3 people who insult each other for the rest of eternity. Is it that magnificent vision given at the very end of the Book of Revelation and I saw the heavenly Jerusalem the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God like a bride dressed for her wedding What's it like as a dutiful and glorious as a dark Is it frightening. Everyone must be interested. The Christian message. Is given not only by Christ himself some many times in the parables and in his claim that he is the resurrection and the life and that he goes to prepare a place for us that when we die we can come and be with him. And the great grades of life after death and eternal life is of course St Paul. Probably the oldest complete document in the New Testament is the 1st pestle of Paul to the. Written around the year. Of the documents were I and I feel certain in the course of developing already that the gospels of the writings. But the 1st complaint one apparently according to the scholars is 1st. And it's a document about life after death and the apprehension that these Christians assess a lot like I had about those who would die before the 2nd Coming of Christ. And so simple so often turns his attention to life after death. And I could have picked out $100.00 quotations I could do a whole series St Paul I live at the devil to be more than 30. Let me try to something here that emphasizes in St Paul the role of the Holy Spirit and all life after death and you may recall in an earlier segment we talked about the conflict between the flash and the spirit and we identified the flesh as self centeredness seeking one's own apart from any relationship with God or the welfare of others that is the flesh even it is a kind of spiritual thing. And this is everything in all lives. Related to our Creator or Redeemer and awe Sanctifier to God. And then Paul writes in Romans 8 persons 9. But you are not in the flash you are in the spirit and in this spirit of God really dwells in you and anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you. I love your bodies are dead because of send us parents are alive because of righteousness and this spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you then he who raised Jesus Christ from the dead well give life to your mortal bodies also through his parent who dwells in you. The promise of eternal life comes because the spirit is already dwelling in our integrated unified being you know you don't have your soul they are in your body there were alive in this world where a single unified being gas separates the material from the spiritual and Saint Paul promise that we will have life after death and that eventually. This body and some mysterious way will take part at the resurrection of the dead and the eternal life and God's Kingdom to which we are call. Now. This is an important thing. I'm Lynn Berry blessed to have received the gift of saints of formants I very young in my life or hardly ever met and any day going to Mass as I'm 14 years old. Religion has been the most real defining thing in my life and I couldn't think of life without it and I'm intensely grateful to. God for that because without his grace I would have gone all completely in the wrong direction I would be living like somebody who didn't know whether there was life after death and suffering myself seeking the flesh probably in some rather sophisticated way possibly as an unbelieving psychologist which is a pretty awful form. But I got this gift early you may get it later in your life you may not even have it now you may be sitting there watching the television saying what is this guy talking about life after death Ronnie ask you what do you think because you're on your way there. And you may die tomorrow you may die today what do you think and what do you have in mind so that you may receive the gift of God's parent then you maybe say. So Paul in 1st Corinthians writes. We have received the Spirit. Not of the world but the spirit which is from God that we might understand the guess the stone by God. And we implant this in words not by human wisdom but by the Spirit in turn brings a ritual truth to those who possess disparate and you wonder what he means there read an article in the secular newspaper about some spiritual event that's taking place the visit of the Pope or or on the celebration of some religious holiday or some religious event that's going on and you'll see that for the most part secular commentators are deaf dumb and blind when it comes to the interpretation of what a religious of the end is they see it religion as a form of sociology I see it as a social event now that's partly true but what's happening there is we're trying to interpret spiritual things to people who don't have the Spirit and they're not going to understand that at all they're not a Mega Man. Same goals as the unspiritual man does not receive the Gives of the Spirit of God So they are folly to him and is not able to understand them because they are to be spiritually desire discerned. The spiritual man judges things but is himself to be judged by no one who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him but we have the mind of Christ Now this doesn't mean the same poll things that we are all about judgment but a person can not. Judge another person's spirit. Can't know Jesus says judge not and you shall not be judged and least of all kind of person who knows nothing about the spirit alive nothing about prayer nothing about nothing about why can they judge a spiritual person we saw this at the death of one of the most remarkable spiritual people in the 20th century and possibly the most run a most remarkable spiritual people in Western civilization that was Mother Teresa one of the networks which should be ashamed of itself which is always bashing Catholics. On people who totally mis understood Mother Theresa during her funeral it was a little. Understanding of the holy woman who I knew half my life and was a shining example of an unspiritual person attempting to understand the things of the spirit you know my mother taught me they don't understand something keep their mouth shut. Told a little bit. About one of my favorite realities which may not be part of your thinking and that is. The period of purification that may take place after the death of Souls are not completely open to the grace of Christ who is. The Protestant Reformers attacked the idea of prayers occasion after death. That idea was there e old in Christianity. And the is saying Gregory Bishop of lesson and in the West said Augustan is easily talked about the fact that souls after death are on a journey and we need to pray for them. Back in the catacombs there are prayers scratched to the Saints on the walls and prayers into the tombs asking God to bring to eternal rest those who had die. People sometimes say well it is not in the Bible I don't believe it well here is a little quotation to think about. By St Paul and he's talking about how we deal the spiritual edifice. With Christ alone the foundation. This is for no other foundation can anyone lay but that which is laid which is Jesus Christ and. On the foundation with gold silver precious stones. Stubble each man's work will become manifest. That day will disclose it but that the day of judgment. Because it will be revealed with fire and fire will test what sort of work each one has done. And the work which any man has built on the foundation but yes that is Christ survives he will receive a reward. Of any man's work is burned up he will suffer a loss for himself but he will be saved but as through fire. That you are God's temple and I'm God's Spirit dwells in you at any one destroys God Temple God will destroy him for God's temple is holy the temple which. Is talking about the purification after the day of judgment by fire. And there are several places in the Scriptures where this is alluded to even all Lord Himself says if anyone commits a blasphemy it will be forgiven him but it seems against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him in this world in the next world implying that there is some kind of forgiveness of sins in the next world. Now this teaching had been distorted badly scandalously right before the Reformation and the reformers took great issue with it particularly Luther who has problems with the church began with the selling of indulgences for souls in purgatory an absolutely hideous horrible terrible scandal. And that I have to tell you that I'm looking forward to that purification I don't save myself. But I can resist my own salvation. And even to resist my salvation I can be like the man in Corinthians as I am Paul dogs about the gold he doesn't build with. But the Emory bells where there's going to survive the fire of judgment but a bit scorched but I'm hoping that I will be saved as through fire it's obvious that we're talking about fire after the death of the human being but before the last judgment when the body is reunited it can't be the same kind of fire that we are talking about on earth. Ancient people thought of as a binding cleansing thing. And this experience which is sometimes called Purgatory is one that I want to tell you that I'm looking forward to. Somebody said to me Are you a prep pad right this minute to stand in the perfect radiance of eternity I was a by no means one of my favorite Protestants and Episcopalian Dr Johnson Sam Johnson was having an argument with Boswell his biographer and Sam was a great Christian as one of my proudest and science and Boswell said to him Catholics believe in purgatory. And well they may because most of the they will certainly not ready to go to heaven and I hope they're not going to hell so they. Must be right I must be something else. The word purgatory is a a late word purification is what purgatory means and the Orthodox tradition this is called the place of expiation. Except. Really identify themselves believe that any of us. Has salvation. Nobody believes that they are in and in purgatory earth and that you do anything to earn it yourself. Many times I hear Catholic teaching mis understood that Catholics think they merit salvation. Can I read to you from the 25th canon of the Council of Elrond which was held in 529 and which in 531 was approved by the papal De Craye a pope of the 2nd and the Papal Encyclical. Nostrum. And this council because it has this papal approval of a special kind is considered to be binding on all Catholics as an article faith it's called they feed a death and into the Find state. Just as we have a defined faith say in the virgin birth or in the Holy Trinity these are defined by the Council of Advisors and the Council of Nicea Can I remind you. Of the 25 cannon the Council of the orange This sums it all up. And I word. To love God is God's gift. Loves us and gave us the power to love while we were displeasing in his sight he loved us and or that we might have the power to become pleasing to him. The charity of God is poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit St Paul and Romans 55. The spirit of the Father and the son. With the Father and the Son So according to Scripture. And the passages quoted above and the council and the definitions of the early fathers of the church we are are blind to preach and believe that through the center of the 1st man human freedom was so weakened and warped that no one there after can either love God as he ought to leave in God or do good for the sake of God unless moved previously by the grace of Divine Mercy. And requires that we assert and believe that in every good work we do it is not we who have the initiative aided subsequently by the mercy of God but rather that he begins by inspiring our faith and love toward him with out any prior merit of our own. As a Catholic faith we treat me teated by signed Augustan signed Thomas Aquinas repeated by the Council of Trent that no one can merit the grace of salvation. No one can merit the grace of final perseverance and in fact that none of us can do anything at all good and the 1st place unless we have received the mercy of God and spiralling us us giving us the beginning so that in all that we do that is worthwhile on to eternal life it is to use the words as sound whole not we that act but Christ that acts in us. Making this up this is the teaching of the Catholic Church and I hear this teaching so mis understood so often. The great from the Lewis. And old theologians read that quotation from his book. On the way when into a Catholic church and he heard a priest a great theologian preaching on salvation on positive predestination. And he said and I said what I believe. The very famous Catholic writer Peter craved was studying n.t. Calvin College in Holland Michigan and he had to do a term paper on Catholicism he had read both sides of aisle system which were distortions very famous Protestant Roman Catholicism Scotland will tell you that it does not present the Catholic faith. And so did a great when in the library of Calvin College and there were the decrees of the Council of Trent and he random and salvation. This is what I believe. Sometimes. Religious argument it is people. Distort the teachings of the other. The Catholic Church does not agree with the reform. That human nature is totally wicked or dupré and that it remains the prelude but only the eyes of God by their divine mercy see the human being as good when he is totally deprived we do not agree with that. But we do degree agree that human nature broken and out by original Sen human nature originally most pure in God made in the image of God and human nature through the mercy of God is restricted by baptism and the other sacraments restored by faith in Christ and by His grace so that indeed Christ may act in us and do good. Now these may seem like fine points to you. Perhaps lay off but they were the arguments on which the Reformation was really thought. Perhaps as I pointed out many Protestants are rather far from the Reformation right now many cameras are far from the gathering faith or understanding of right now. If we go back and find what those arguments were are the ambience and which they were for what we may be able to do something like the Catholic over and theologians just did come up with a common statement the meaning of justification that can bring a Lutheran past the logins were trying to do that in 38153515 years after the beginning of those for an evangelical church. Going to the Holy Spirit. That they all may be one. Pray that we may understand the conflicts that divide us. I. Pray that we maybe say. But either way is through that door into salvation we know the believing soul repent and all this sense. Into the hands of Divine Mercy. We also know the Divine Mercy and show itself in the last moments of life as it did so very dramatically with the death of the good thief on the cross. Personally I hope and pray for the salvation of as many as possible and the reason I hope this is because. Does not depend upon us it depends on the mercy of God but with the fathers of the church. And with the. Steel Logans of modern times I do believe that we can say no. We have the freedom to reject the mercy and goodness of God and that if we don't it is because His Divine Mercy gives us the benefit of grace calling us away from such a terrible terrible fate. As I look at the mess the world is in and I look at them as as country as an. Ungrateful that our salvation does not depend on us and I pray with intensity. And pain that we will not say no to guy. That we will follow him who alone is the Way the Truth and the life then every one of us will acknowledge in the depths of our being that we cannot possibly save ourselves that nothing that we do could save us and ran and that instead of such a silly enterprise we would run with open arms into the loving hands of our Savior Jesus Christ and that we will have the impulse each one of us to do this by the grace of the Holy Spirit we all agree alternately that we are not saved by works. We all agree alternately that we are not saved by faith and we are not saved by faith and works at all we are ultimately saved by the mercy of God which is given to us in Christ Jesus our Lord. That we make our selves available to that mercy by faith in him and that we honor him by the doing of those works which he calls for in the Beatitudes in the parables and in His most holy life so that all is not an empty show. That's all of us agree which we must agree. But salvation comes from him and the Samaritan said to that kind of silly lady who was sitting at the well the lady with the 5. And he went down and she told him I met a man who told me all my sins and I said well up and say him and they said to her later. He had seen and we know and believe not because of what you said but because we have heard him say that this man is indeed the same here on the world. Join us next time for more of the wisdom. That he had c.n.n. Global Catholic radio. And now a message from Cardinal Justin Rigali dear friends the compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic church refers to prayer as a battle prayer is a gift of grace from our heavenly Father but it also presupposes a determined response on the part of each of us in our prayer we may struggle with ourselves and the concerns of our day we may contend with the distractions of our physical surroundings most especially be confront Satan who through his temptations does all he can determine is a way from prayer our daily battle to overcome these obstacles is inseparable from progress in the spiritual life each day we must put forth the effort in prayer sister by grace to grow closer communion with our Lord Jesus Christ as a companion puts it we pray as we live because we live as many pray May you respond to God's grace if you strive to keep your relationship with him a god bless you. Are Going To Do you see any. The latest campaign for the Basilica of the national shrine to be immaculate conception is underway and Rector Monsignor Walter Robinson has the details on their next project the Trinity dome one stage at 8 pm Eastern on e.w.t.n. Radio and television. Welcome back to the word on fire show I'm Brandon Voght the content director and the host and joining me today to talk about an exciting topic is the great Bishop Robert Baer bishop there and welcome. Brandon always good to be with you as well and now listen we're going to be talking about maybe the most discussed hottest book in the Catholic world at least this year it's called the Benedict option this is a proposal put forward by Roger a year and it carries a new bestselling book by the same name but it's actually several books that have all sort of simultaneously debuted here we are spaceship chappies book strangers in a Strange Land Anthony excellence book called Out of the ashes rusty Reno's book resurrecting the idea of a Christian society and Roger's book The Benedict option they all cover similar to rain here and one thing that they all share in common is something that's been dubbed the new alarmism tell us about that I mean a lot of these men are sounding the alarm bells do you think things are really as bad as many of them are saying well you know how it is that succinctly I like all these people I my or all these men and think I wrote a blurb I think for our ship used book I read Rosie renewable going to reading and for a long time Rogers book I just finished and these are all very good people smart people who are seeing something that has gone really wrong with our society are they right about that yeah I think they are right about that there's something has gone really wrong with our society now how much of good is less than you know how much can we salvage and all that we can debate the looks. Home but that there is something that is uniquely wrong with the culture now I think there are all correctly identifying when this episode I want to focus specifically on Rod Dreyer's book it's kind of that pivot point for a lot of these other ones the Benedict option the Benedict option 1st what are your national thoughts a belt the Benedict option itself as an idea what do you think about it maybe give us a brief overview of what it's proposing Yeah you know name for St Benedict the great 6 injury figure who at the time of the Roman Empire had collapsed and culture really had bottomed out and there was tremendous corruption moral political and otherwise St Benedict famously withdraws 1st of all to a cave living as a hermit in time people are drawn to him he becomes the father of this is what we now call the monastic movement in the West which not only save the church but in many ways save society and so that gives you the clue I totally agree thing don't ascribe to Raj Dreyer the view that we should all just run to the hilt it's just time for Christians to run away you know it's time for Christians he thinks to regroup the way Benedict did back in the 6th century kind of withdraw all yes because you've got to step away from a culture that's grown extremely corrupt a regrouping a rediscovery of our basic identity so that here's an important side of it I think so that we can then have a civilization building impact on the world around us so don't forget that part of the Benedict option is not just run to the hills or go to a cave and hide the goal that's part of it you know a certain withdrawal and discovery of identity but Soledad you can become the seeds of a renewed civilization I think he wants bold sides event to be clearly emphasized. Roger's been promoting this Benedict option for several years through different blog posts and articles this book is kind of his fuller explanation and detail of what it includes I want to spend some time going through the specific proposals in the book but before we get there 1st talk a little bit more about St Benedict I mentioned here at the outset that for the next volume of your pivotal player series we're doing a whole episode on St Benedict's he'd spent lots and lots of time researching St Benedict do you think he's a good model for Christians today and how can St Benedict help solve 21st century problems yeah he's a good model in the measure he's the saints all the saints are always good models you know for us but Benedict more specifically as they say is that rhythm but at a time of great cultural crazes he had the instinct to hunker down and again I know that language a little bit on hunger Dom behind walls but to hunker down so as to recover what I would call the evangelical basis so a culture that had grown so corrupt that people were just kind of lost and I mean literally adrift think of all the people kind of drifting around the ruins of Roman society so Bendix that it's time for us and it's a small group think of the monks the 1st gather around a small group of people who live their Christianity intentionally intensely and radically and put them that was the need full thing at the moment from this seat even though I don't exactly Benedict with seemed as if you as a Benedict you know are you here reviving Western civilization. He said living the Christian life in this intense radical and intentional way so as to preserve something in a time of crisis and I think in that measure yes he's a extreme value today for us and that's what Roger a or sees is something. Like what Benedict did now there's still are of course Benedictine monks who have literally gone to monasteries and the what he that regulating it will become a monk but he recommends is something like a Benedict in form of life might be good for all serious Christians when it comes to this rhythm you've often used the analogy of Noah's Ark talk about that yeah then the Church Fathers saw that very clearly so think of the Noah's Ark story begins a time of of cultural and moral collapse like the world has just fallen into sin the flood waters in the Bible into people who are afraid of the water you know the Jews are desert people and they would venture into the water only when the actually had to and they would hug the shore Typically they were afraid of water it was always a symbol of chaos and destruction so the flood waters symbolize the collapse of a society of civilization What does God do but he sends this rescue operation the form of this great boat which is why the Church Fathers saw as ark as symbolic of the church so on the ark what's preserved but a microcosm of God's good order so think of all the animals and the literal eyes of that story that it's very powerful symbolic story all the animals and so on under the leadership of Noah it's a little microcosm of what God wants for the whole world but listen during the flood they had to hunker down they had to get on this boat and everyone who thinks all combined What are you doing building a boat the middle of the desert you already are mine you crazy. Well yeah but that's how they survived they hunkered down for a period of time but then when the floodwaters receded it they unleashed a life see and that's the rhythm the purpose was not to stay hunkered down in the boat and float around for all eternity the purpose was to become a seat which when the propitious moment had presented itself could be planted efficaciously So that's the Church Fathers view. Of the rhythm of the church's life is we got to hunker down sometimes in the life of the church but then open the windows open the doors let it out can I just suggest is that what Shep you and s l n n Dreyer and company are saying is we are kind of that a moment when we might have to get on the ark for a time and that's that's not to say all I'm running to build an oh I'm giving up on oh I'm just a crazy extremist is this a no this might be a moment when we gotta do some hunkering down if we want eventually to let out the life it will renew the society Now one thing that both fans in Critics of Rod Dreyer's proposal of the Benedict option have clamored for over the years is more specifics you know at least been talking here in generalities about how to respond to the culture hunkering down but his new book with the same title The Bennett adoption really goes into the particularities of what that might look like on the ground so I wanted to run through a few decent to get your thoughts maybe almost rapid fire here one of the 1st things in the book he proposes is that we need to pull back on political engagement at the problems with our culture aren't going to be solved primarily politically what's your take on that. And again this is a complicated issue and we have to talk all they have on it a very quick thing about the battle glibly in World War One the famous disaster right when under Churchill's direction l.a. Troops were poured into this particular part near the. End mostly New Zealand and Australian troops which is why it's such an important battle to this day and in Australian culture Well it was an utter utter disaster I mean people just killed in the thousands and they kept pouring troops into this battle until finally became clear to Churchill and others that this is not going to work this is a really bad use of men but serial energy resources is that right and so they regrouped and they redirected and they gave up that battle so I don't use it as a metaphor because. Those who withdrew from glibly were not saying all this forget World War One visit a waste of time they weren't saying all the Kaiser's great was Lehman Tal they were saying the way they were conducting the war in this regard is not very productive is every useful Let's redirect our energies elsewhere Ok I use it as a metaphor because when it comes to the battles if you want of the church in the wider culture can we sometimes fall into a politically situation where we started pouring salt much money energy materiel persons and supplies over into a given battle that is just not going well we're not going to win that battle and might be better to pivot strategically into another front. So dealt various issues if you want you know I spoken just recently about the gay marriage question and it turns against gay marriage yes with society better without it yes is the best way right now to battle gay marriage in the courts and legally in a direct frontal assault I and others I think Dreyer my views category would suggest that might be glibly moment that maybe it would be not the best strategic option and maybe we ought to pivot man away from the battle that away from the war or its purpose but pivot in a strategically creative way Ok I think that's one way to talk about the political challenge is I read Dreyer and I I think I'm I'm with them on a lot of this that maybe we need a different moment a different strategy when it comes to battling some of these cultural forms part of it could be what I call for to is a greater witness greater education of our own people and a live. Out of the values in a very provocative way so it that's one simple thought on a complicated issue Next up Rod Dreher in his book The Benedict option suggests that Christians need to pull back into intentional Christian community somewhat isolated from the mainstream culture he gets several real world examples of this happening all over the country where not just Catholics but Christians of the lower Orthodox persuasion gather together they help each other they live their lives together what do you think about that idea I like it I think it's good. You know how many people this focus is and how many people in your line of work in your neighborhood in your circle of friends even know that you're a Catholic and very often as anyone knows or you know and we talk about well I mean can it possibly be good that we have so many people Catholics who like 0 familial and cultural and neighborhood support for the life they're living wouldn't it lead in fact exactly where it has led to a complete privatization of the faith in that it's a little flame that I keep earning deep down inside of me because the Christian faith is never meant to be lived that way and it won't survive long that way so I rather like the idea of Christians coming together and I like that word to intentionally with a purpose in mind that we want to support each other in our Christianity is freshly when the cultures and moral issues. And others has turned so dramatically against us now not only is the culture opposed intellectually to our positions it's politically aggressive toward us it's using political means to sue silence and ostracizes you know so I think that's a good thing if Christians to do in a way and here's the caution. That doesn't become hyper defense the doesn't become . You know it let's go retreat into the hutch sort of thing but for mutual support yeah. The preservation of our great values teaching your kids praying together supporting each other yeah and those are all good things they are devotes a whole chapter to education and health Christians should live out a new model of education one of the things that he somewhat controversial recommends is that most or maybe even all parents pull their kids out of public schools and instead he favors classical education schools he favors homeschooling curriculum based on the great books the humanities lesser taken all that. I really really get you talking about because you got more direct experience with it because they were homeschooling when I was a kid young man if he would said homeschooling you personally would know you talk. Like that it would never know what are you that that phrase I mean the 1st time I ever heard it I thought when you home schooling and understand what I mean and we our reaction would have been I can guarantee you entirely negative we would have thought it was. We're in turn in and and what about the poor kids and they won't be socialized right and we would have seen it as a very weird thing but here I find interesting that you would now many many many other families have opted for in some ways is proving Dreyer's claim that. The culture has all radically shifted in my time almost no one would have seen the need for it because we would have seen a culture that was a largely in agreement and these great moral issues we would not have seen public schools that were aggressively secularist witnessing attacks on religious people going on so the very fact that you and lots and lots and lots of other very sensible and decent people have seen a need for it proves a point in some ways of the culture has shifted that dramatically Now obviously people of good will people just as smart pies and good is you and your wife opted not to do that so I mean I get it on the ground it depends on all kinds of factors response but I understand I know a lot of people homeschooled kids and I know a lot of Silurians I've taught who came home school background so I understand it I get it the classical thing too I'm very intrigued by it and there's a couple examples here in my own pastoral region in Santa Barbara school that have really been revived under this rubric which is a very conscious unapologetic embrace of the great Catholic Western intellectual artistic tradition and teaching the kids at a high level the Augusta that he had to be out here in Ventura which is a half hour from my house I visited 6th grade classrooms where they're reading Dante I've visited a great classrooms where they're putting on a Man for All Seasons I visit high school classrooms that are you know being assume of Aquinas Good good I like that you know our education in general is in serious trouble our cap of education has been something for a long time so the classics of Western culture I'm all for it specially when we're living in a time when there's a multiculturalism that has flattened a lot of things out you know again I've got nothing in the world against reading and studying things were writing cultures but when you're driven by an ideology. Multi-culturalism you're going to sacrifice quality for quantity if I can put it that way to get as many voices you know in the conversation you're going to sacrifice Homer and Shakespeare and Dante to ts Eliot and you know to my mind as too high a price to pay so to get degree I like the classical Christian schools a lot and here's something that I want to get your thoughts on I know a lot of other people do because we get e-mails and phone calls about this specific question a lot and it's the question about choosing a profession that Rod devotes another whole chapter to discuss and he says that for a lot of Christians who are moving into fields such as business or medicine or science they're going to increasingly face challenges to their faith that are going to have to they're going to have to make a decision whether they remain firm in their Christian identity or whether they'll sort of capitulate to the demands of progressive secularism what would you recommend to young people who are maybe in college and thinking about what sorts of jobs they need to pursue Rabb sort of recommends that for many of these people maybe they should issue those types of professions in favor of what he calls hard labor jobs you know and he has a line in there saying like you know nobody ever asked a plumber to sign a diversity statement or something like that you know what's your take on the whole question of jobs. And I know it's complicated whatever I say people that well but you're not looking at this so I get that you know comes to my mind though is my friend Dr Billy Shapiro in the Phoenix Dr Billy who's a o.b. G.y.n. And begins as his career you know in the kind of a standard way and then he gets a challenge from from Bishop tunnels that one day that you know I I think you should really do your practice in a way that is totally in line with Catholic teaching and his wife really face this crisis of I mean do we do it a real loser practice a lose money but in fact he did it he decided to take the plunge and I think in the grace of God He's. But to be more successful than ever you know well to me he's a model of how to do that he's a guy of great purple mist intelligence Catholic sensibility and he's live in his professional life very publicly as a Catholic you know so I may he's trying to increase you know I hope there's room always for people like him and that he might hope I guess in regard to the professional stuff but I know there's always exceptions and different think a little later thing I could be here to Carl George he was always a great advocate of manual labor that we lost touch with our bodies with the world with nature it is obviously part of that addicted thing or at La Bora the laborious usually meant hard manual labor like thinking rocks on a field and plowing that certain I get a as you get introduced kids to that kind of hard manual labor is not a bed then you know think of young Caraway he will work in the quarry you know that made a big difference in his own life to eat at one point work with his hands and now we look warm exertions is a great statement on work and it's born of someone who didn't spend a whole life in a library you know but it was out there or in a query so I understand and I like that because I go with the Dr Billy example is someone that can really bring the faith vibrantly into the public form the last chapter in the Benedict option looks at technology and Roger takes a somewhat pessimistic view of technology he cites many of the obvious concerns things like pornography and technology addiction and it seems like he sort of counseling especially parents to be very wary about technology what's your outlook on the whole thing. First to say a very strong yes to that I quite agree with especially with young people as I know all the pornography thing is really bad when they say be the typical beginning age preparing this is 11 or 12 in our culture which is saying to me you know how your view of human sexual. He's going to be skewed if you're if you begin watching pornography hardcore pornography when you're 12 so I get that and I get help technology is used all kinds of a way in the dark powers will use whatever they can in the they use this that Harris should be really vigilant about kids used technology Absolutely I get it the Internet I mean I know those who are involved the internet it's a it's a jungle I mean there are beautiful tropical birds in a jungle. There are a lot of swamps in a jungle you know so you've got to be mature enough and nimble enough and spiritually alert enough to make your way through it with a proper guided with a good machete and yours and so you have to understand that parents monitoring kids as they made their way into the jungle I think is very important the danger is there is go off you go join a jungle it all and before you know it there is some swamp and here you know it there are caught the vines of some some treat and also I and a lot of sympathy for that. You know in time you and I were both internet people and we both use technology a big way I thought it was. Kind of George always talking to him and he said whenever you say there's always a said contra Thomas going to say no but on the other hand so I get it it's always a contra and the great said contra to that but it is a view here you can't be so afraid of it that you don't use it that you can't be so afraid that you opt out of that world which connects you into all kinds of things and people enables you to communicate is a jungle Yeah but there are tropical birds the great beauty in a jungle and with the right guidance in maturity you can find them and so anyway maybe I'm overworking that little metaphor but you know that's right my basic take on the whole Bennett gotcha thing is is a very vigorous Yes And then my kernel George said Contra in your to that were not meant properly to hunker down we're meant to be evangelical were we got to be careful and we should regroup in certain important ways that we might go out into the world as long as all bets in place I'd say great you don't want to go. And now for one of our questions from our listeners if you have a question for Bishop there and please send it in to us we'd love to hear it just visit ask Bishop bear in it dot com And when you go there you can record your question on any device to meet a question from Kathleen and it's really relevant to the whole Benedict option discussion about how we engage the culture in what our role is as Christian so here's Kathleen's question for Bishop parent. How does it mean can't run from the Lord when I am going to God I know it is. Just doesn't seem to make any attempt at political change with the capital punishment gender discrimination and injustice on a number of levels when for that Jesus is mission was outside the realm of politics how are we to discern our own moral obligation in this area thank you. Well good question complicated question hard to answer and you know a couple minutes here could observation true he's not explicitly a political figure the way for example is zealot would have been so here one of his disciples Simon all Bazelon Well exult were political party in Jesus' time he's a disciple of the Lord of the Lord is not advocating zealotry or he's taking the zealot position which is deeply and he Roman itself Jesus was not explicitly a member of a political party he wasn't recommending certainly revolutionary action against the Romans if anything he's pretty nice to Romans in the Gospel he says if you live by the sword so that's true that he's not explicitly a political figure famously My kingdom is not of this world so he's proclaiming a kingdom but not caught up in the in the nexus of of worldly political reality having said all that you also have to say he is indeed teaching a form of life a way of thought this kingdom of God that has massive political implications so in the things you mention there ought Christians to be involved in fighting those things and opposing them you know informally precisely be by the moral and spiritual vision of Jesus so then I think is where the Catholic social teaching tradition comes from is taking truth from Jesus' prophetic witnessed and then using those to inform a political point of view so I think that's the right balance I think you're of John Paul 2 who said to treaties I want you guys directly involved in government I want you running for Congress or running for political office but I do indeed want you massively influencing the political conversation 3 articulation of the Gospel vision. As long as that balance is kind of in place I think were we. Doing pretty well. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the world on fire show hey listen over the next month we're going to have a couple new guests one is juice of glory for a game on the word an actual a couple times and then also Zimmer's going to be hosting a couple of episodes Jarrett is our new director of outreach in mission here at we're done by you're going to love both today and we've got some fascinating topics lined up so looking forward to those episodes coming up soon thanks again for listening and we'll see you next week on the word on fire show. The more you listen the more you learn this is e.w.t.n. . RINGBACK RINGBACK RINGBACK Experience. May 16th 1902 What a beautiful day to call many really 8 years of study towards the priesthood my 1st purchase Simon was wonderful a very active 15000 people and just doing everything from our CIA the right of Christian Initiation of adults for converts to teaching baptism classes all the wonderful things I did 150 weddings in my 1st 4 years as a priest they talk about being involved in people's lives I was also able through the permission of my bishop to become a Navy chaplain and so I'm now a reserve Navy chaplain and I served on aircraft carriers I have served with the Marines I can play Sharon I served in Norfolk Virginia one of the world's largest naval bases I've been all around the world literally with the Navy and just as a reservist and fascinating I also recently became the vocation promoter for my diocese now I get to talk about what I love which is occasions in my own vocation as a priest for the last 5 years I Ben the vice principal and Chaplin. A rather large Catholic High School in our diocese Bishop O'Connell High School another dynamic thing about my priest dealing with the youth of our diocese 1500 of them and especially working with them on issues of pro-life It's been one of my hand marks of what I've tried to do a priest as a riot things but it's always the call it's always bringing the sacraments of the Eucharist and especially confession to souls that are needy.

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