However while apparently relinquishing some management duties this is not mean them giving up ultimate power between them Mr Page Mr Brand control 51 percent voting rights on alphabets board Scientists say they've created artificial neurons or nerve cells that could potentially be implanted into patients to treat a range of conditions including out Simas and heart failure they've developed a way to transfer the electrical properties of brain cells on to synthetic circuits made from silicon that allow them to communicate with the rest of the human nervous system the team from Britain Switzerland and New Zealand say the artificial neurons only need a billionth of the power of a computer processor you're listening to the world news from the b.b.c. Mexican officials say they have arrested 10 men who they claim were part of a group of at least 60 drug cartel members who attacked a town near the u.s. 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For the 1st time in its 35 year history Britain's prestigious Turner Prize has been awarded to all 4 shortlisted artists after they declared themselves a collective they'll share the $52000.00 in prize money the decision was prompted by the artists themselves the Jordanian Lawrence Abu Hamed an all skin Rio of Colombia and the Britons tight shiny and Helen Camac head and chemical explained by thinking when there is already so much that divides people we feel strongly motivated to use the occasion of the prize to make a collective statement in the name of commonality multiplicity and solidarity in art as in society was I The Vatican has postponed the beatification of a well known 20th century American archbishop Fulton Sheen which had been due to take place later this month a charismatic figure who's been called the 1st televangelist Archbishop Sheen died in 1979 in a highly unusual move Illinois diocese announced that the BATF occasion would be delayed after several u.s. 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Hello welcome to business matters I'm Jamie Roberts and all coming up of the next hour Larry Page and Sergey Brin give up leadership of alphabet that's the company that grew out of Google which they founded together 21 years ago and the pressure grows on President Trump as the panel leading his impeachment inquiry says evidence for the impeachment is overwhelming so it's not only what he did but they're also looking at what he did to obstruct their efforts to investigate that and that itself could form the grounds of an article of impeachment now going to join throughout the program by 2 guests on opposite side of Pacific Russell the office of a Research Network joins us from Toronto Ruff good to have you with us nobody needs and you're Chicago is professor emeritus at ups for brushy University and currently a member of the World Economic Forum's expert network joins us from Tokyo Yoko welcome. Good morning good morning to you as deep in the middle of the night here and there we do mix the time sense together it is a significant moment when an entrepreneur steps away from the company that he or she has created and this is what's happened today to entrepreneurs in fact Larry Page that Brian who founded Google some 21 years ago have stepped down from alphabet the name of that massive $800000000000.00 holding group at the Creation developed into the presidency of Google's and upper jaw he's going to step up to run the group the 2 men said they believed it was time to assume the role of proud parents offering advice on love by not daily nagging your miles attack John List of founder of pocket link he's been writing coincidentally about tech for 20 years which is about as long as Google itself has been around the still remaining of the company stores down the board still you know shareholders exposure but I think really the reality is I want to step away from daily life who is now 21 years old and probably it's a very very different company from when I started back in the late ninety's is this surprising or is it a shock that both I think it's one of the things is probably a shock that they've actually started do it but it's not surprising at the same time both characters have been kind of in the background for a long time now with quite a few people sort of wondering sort of from a public facing point of view if you know you haven't heard Brin and Page is names being thrown around in the same way that you would say Tim Cook or you know Musk What was that particular genius do you think I think it was that when Google 1st started it was very much about this singular page on the web that you just had a search party started typing it and results came back it was very different to what was around at the time which was Yahoo all to vist Netscape all these kind of things which would seem to be what kind of Facebook and sort of the m.s.n. Are still today. He kind of said look we were very simple very different over that time Google then became out for a better parent company has transformed into a company of mammoth proportions that offers everything from thermostats to control your home driving to search engines a huge so all these different functionalities and features that in our daily lives you know Android and all those things and probably just the mammoth task of trying to keep control of that company and steer in the right direction with all these heads of departments facing you and all the other stuff the pro just wasn't exciting anymore they got some fantastic people you know Sunday up at Shari is c.e.o. Of Google is stepping up to become c.e.o. Of alphabet it's kind of is one of those things where a lot of people see alphabet and Google the same business anyway well alphabet looks after all the what they call moonshot So all the other things are necessary search and so you know you'll see this sort of transition for going forward It sounds of messes a company left them and they left to come. I think you could probably say that they were both engineers to begin with they were the creative the original algorithms search has been incredibly popular you know it's a dominating force it's the search engine although there are other alternatives most of us use on a daily basis you know whilst it's exciting to also be in control of a cell phone car or robots and Google's in the process of buying for all these things it's probably not if you're an engineer at heart a lot of entrepreneurs star company and I realize that some time after the fact of successful that the thing you love doing you're no longer doing any more and I suspect that's probably they probably got to a point where they just want to get back to the coal face almost and enjoy what they do rather than people down with all of hype for. The of running a bulky $1000000000.00 business so you don't think it's going to change the company or 2 of them taking this backseat you know you don't just suddenly say Ok So everybody tomorrow we're leaving this would have been a succession plan that's been in place for a number of years I don't think that where Google is a company that the shouts of us by this because it's kind of been that transition period in fact we haven't heard of the names being bandied around in the same way that we have other C.E.O.'s that frequently are over the last 6912 months. The tech website talk at length a lint. What I think is extraordinary about the story really is how long they've been in the company to go from being an entrepreneur starting a business in a small her carriage right where you through to making something this big it requires an extraordinary sort of leap of imagination a managerial ability to go that whole distance doesn't it very few people do that I think it's very true and that's precisely the kind of issues that we're faced with right now here in Japan and I have had an opportunity to go to the start up sort of events in Japan as well as the big Google event and Google event was a lot of fun you know covering a lot of things and exciting and inspiring at the On the contrary that start up event here in Japan seems to be having a lot of trouble scaling up so they seem to be they don't they don't think about the of the big grand vision unless the founders of it and Google so that's a big a big difference and I'm very impressed right but then I thought of the decision they start up you got to start ups I just can't get to the next level is not right right and I think a lot of companies particularly start ups here are much more interested in the i.p.o. Rather than you know being bought or you know making scale up and things like that so they're there seems to be the very vision there is scope the scale is much much much smaller even though I mean id and also the things makes it global from the beginning if they want and if it be impressed sue the the big dream they I believe that they can do it but not too many people are able to do that follow that for 20 years yes I think you have to have a passion for. No business we want you do and I think so many entrepreneurs cv end prize the money at the end I think you know we're going to get I get to be i.p.o. We're all from what you make from life that's awesome Well that's true there are many who are actually it that perception but the one thing that I think people are getting here is that once you start running an organization as large as Google is and it has it's quite a few employees it's quite a few countries and it becomes an administrative nightmare these guys started this organization because they're entrepreneurs when you start doing admin admin admin My only thought is why haven't they left earlier they still control the organization they like this type of environment but they don't like the administration and they get bogged down in Astray tional the time so I am and not it's any way whatsoever surprise that they decided to serve like wish to command this while still having ownership position and try to focus on other things and try to recreate Google in a different place for whatever their interests are it's yeah I think it definitely can conclude why didn't they leave early I mean not that it seems to have been a problem because it's I we must move on we have a stories we have a lot of stories today we're going to go into politics and. The voices for the impeachment of Donald Trump grew a little louder today Democrat u.s. House Intelligence Committee has released a report setting out its case for impeaching the president saying it was overwhelming it accuses Mr Trump of obstructing justice and Congress and soliciting the interference of foreign government Ukraine to help his reelection next year it is also produced more evidence regarding phone calls made by Rudy Giuliani Mr Trump's personal lawyer now the White House says it is a one sided sham process which has failed to produce any evidence of presidential wrongdoing Amy McKinnon is a reporter at foreign policy based in Washington d.c. So much of what's in the report is a summary of what we've heard from over 30 hours of testimony which we've heard from current and former senior officials so there wasn't too many surprises in the report but there was one standout detail which was they managed to get caught. Logs released from phone companies which detail Rudy Giuliani's phone calls with the White House with the Office of Management and Budget and of course with Devon Nunez who is the most senior Republican in the White House Intelligence Committee now we don't know what was the detail of those calls but they certainly took place that at critical moments over the spring and summer whilst Giuliani was spearheading this this campaign to to dig up dirt on the president's political rivals in Ukraine but that's not the clincher is it in terms of the impeachment proceedings it's not to clinch it but it's another to move things an inch forward and it certainly really spotlights Giuliani's role in this and for me the most interesting part is his phone calls the Office of Management and Budget because you know it sounds like a slightly boring name but that's the office which is really at the heart of this on the question of when the aid was stalled because it was that office which follow the orders of the president to stall the military aid to Ukraine and and they've really been in the spotlight of this process Ok so where are we in this process what comes up next so this report was kind of the Intelligence Committee formally passing the torch on to the Judiciary Committee the Intelligence Committee did the kind of evidence gathering and now it falls to the you dish or a panel to decide what of that evidence may amounts to impeachable offenses and how they broke their that report down into 2 sections which may be kind of a way to guide the Judiciary Committee the 1st section outlining you know what they see as as misdemeanors by the president and then of course the whole 2nd section was devoted to obstruction so it's not only what he did but they're also looking at what he did to obstruct their efforts to investigate that and that itself could form the grounds of an article of impeachment so far we've seen very predictable lines being taken by both parties Democrats on one side Republicans on the other at any point can you see in the coming months that may be Republicans coming over to back them preachment proceedings based on everything that we've seen so far my sense is that that's going to be unlikely and that raises a question. For the Democrats as to what exactly what they want to get out of this if this process you know they hold a majority in the house they could certainly pass articles of impeachment and that does seem likely that could happen before Christmas but then the question is well you know can they get the public support on side and can they win over and the Republicans critically for a Senate trial in the moment that is looking unlikely so it could go down in history as you know as an impeachment but as a very one sided impeachment that was I mean the kind of reporter Foreign Policy in Washington rough. Is one of these stories which drags on and on it becomes increasingly important as it as it drags on and on but one even you try and keep your interest and then suddenly something comes along it ratchets up a little bit how is it being seen in Canada next door which let's say it's not just in Canada but the u.s. This is a very well thought out plan by the Democrats about making sure that this whole process peaks specifically around the peak of the campaign that's coming up now there's very little. Belief that they can get anything passed the Senate so clearly getting him out of power through this process is likely not going to happen however the part of the point here is to keep the attention on this process while he's trying while the president is campaigning and they are very being very successful in doing that their hope of course is that not only people change their minds but also a few Republicans might also change their minds feeling that they can't win if they continue to support a president who's under impeachment hearings but very often historically is used to improve that when a president an impeachment proceeding takes place against a president that popularity actually goes up they see them as being a victim or being harassed somewhere that's correct but the president isn't helping him in this particular case so all the reports are sorry all the surveys that are going out are not actually indicating that in this particular case simply because every. Time or something happens he goes on air and he actually says something that sort of either supports the point or is misconstrued or whatever the case may be so it seems like it's a fight a tit for tat fight so we're not seeing the same uptick as we have been previous impeachment hearings which is exactly what the Democrats want and why the Democrats haven't let this go you care one house at the center is getting much attention. Not that much and I went to this event talking about the world in 2020 and Japan and Asia in 2020 now one mentioned the the impeachment even though we talked about the us China trade issues and things like that and also that react reelection whether the. Present Trump is going to be reelected or not maybe have some interest but impeachment itself really is not an on the agenda that all will be going to be talking about trade and just a 2nd but 1st let's catch up with the news headlines of Debbie Rowe's that u.s. Democrats have set out their case for removing President Tom from office saying there's overwhelming evidence he abused his powers for personal gain. Because founders of Google Larry Page and Sergey Brin stepping aside from running the company they built into a giant of the Digital Economy researchers say they've developed artificial neurons which could help patients overcome disease or paralysis on the prestigious turnout prize has been awarded to all 4 shortlisted artists after they declared themselves a collective. Now Mr Trump's been in the news on Tuesday for more than impeachments He's also been rocking the markets by saying use prepared to put a trade deal with China on the backbone until after next year's election now the market did actually recover some of its losses but it's been batted back and forth by the contradictory news coming out of negotiations in Beijing and Washington so I asked Thomas McCloskey who is the associate professor of economics is a chief business school in Paris whether he could detect a strategy behind Mr Trump's various announcements so this is a very good question it seems that the has 1st of all some of his very deep convictions that he has voiced for ages now for out his entire public carrier since the ninety's where he basically was quite a protectionist on top of that he employed a lot of officials that are pretty much hawkish about trying to extend various trade figures from different countries. And at times people who clashed with them were more of the Globalist sort they left the administration so nowadays Trump listens actually to the hawks that want to be aggressive with a lot of countries he doesn't mind sending the stock market down a couple of percentage points in order that by saying he's going to hold it he's not going to do a deal till off to the election doesn't really mind well he thinks probably that the. Stock market is a little bit like a casino for the time being it went up this year approximately 2520 percent depending on where you look and then he thinks that he has some cash in the bank now so it is a good question how much he's sensitive to this stock market data in general what I would say is the the big question is how are the negotiations with the Chinese actually going and this is something we don't know it's quite telling that the u.s. Moves come just after the Chinese manufacturing indicators improved last week whereas yesterday we had the theory ration furder theory sion of the pm I's in manufacturing in the us so it seems that China who is considered to be the weaker of the 2 is somewhat managing to weather this trade war whereas us is not so Trump perhaps the we don't know perhaps the Chinese officials so hardened their stance and Trump deciding that no trade deal is going to be in sight he decided to fight it out and by fighting it out he can actually perhaps in his mind gain some political capital in appearing to be tough was Thomas McAllister a professor of economics at h.c. Business school in Paris you know who you said you went to. Conventional evident they did too even if they did talk about. Pietschmann talked about about trade What was the feeling about the China u.s. Trade relations I think the at that we sort of one day at a time kind of thing and we're not quite sure which way we're going at the same time we are a lot of Japanese private sector is affected by what's going on in China at the same time we're quite affected by what's going on in the u.s. As well so we're sort of caught right in the middle and even when you know we have quite a bit of concerns and yet we don't know you know who these how these 2 players are going to play because that's a like that day Davey thing so it's like dust dust or pumping company positive sort of positive backlash as it were from from the sanctions being imposed China looking for the markets or sources of materials and so on. I believe so and we have focused too much on China so far and right now we we have we have more options in a say and other parts. Of Asia that's why and also we talked a little bit about Hong Kong yesterday and because of what's going on in Hong Kong Tokyo may reemerge as a financial. Center of Asia even though we compete against Singapore that's the kind of thing that we talked about yesterday so we are trying to figure out whether that that can we can play a little more out as an advantage of what's going on here in China row from where you're standing to some of those Mr Trump appear to have a strategy do you think it's a question I asked them Professor Mikulski sort of felt there was something going on but it's just you know it's quite difficult to see through the smoke. Well I think that if you look at it from an economic standpoint it's very difficult to see but if you look at it from a political point of view it's very easy to see the reality is that currently the Trump supporters haven't felt any pain due to this trade war so all they see here is the Donald Trump being a tough tough with foreigners tough with foreign trade and trying to get a better deal for for the country as a result he's actually increasing his support yes from an economic perspective the plan is completely unclear it's just so murky but from a political plan political point of view it's very clear that he's trying to gain on this because there's an election coming up well that begs the question is there going to be an economic fallout which is going to hurt his but yes but well Trump's belief is that that economic pain that the average American will feel will not happen until the middle 2 or 2 end of 2020 which is long beyond he what he needs because he just needs to get elected and I'm certain that you know very smart people are saying to him You've got to fix this and you've got to make sure this is going to work and he's saying we'll fix it the minute I get reelected so I think that's sort of the perspective a cynical perspective granted but one that we are we're hearing a lot of pundits in the u.s. Talking but I mean that is extraordinary and so cynical you know what you know I think that. He has managed to achieve a renegotiation of NAFTA which everybody said to be done he's trying to renegotiate a deal with China which everybody says something has to be done about violations of intellectual property you know there is a method in this madness that is actually an economic. Purpose. There Yes except there are China's very different and the other ones the other countries that you spoke about you know the Canadian relationship with them is that as a primary relationship it's all. About the primary resources so Canada really had to go to the table we had to renegotiate because we don't do the finished goods it gets done down there so it's different but China gets finished goods it's mostly finishing the finished goods that are coming into the country so it's very retail oriented from China's perspective and it's massive it's very very big and and I'll say this with with you know no pleasure the fact that China has so many other partners they don't need the u.s. They like the u.s. They want the u.s. But they can actually get other partnerships and as a Canadian we are trying very hard to increase our relationship with China to increase the trade with China because right now there will. Have a lot of cards being thrown in to be. And a lot of questions as to whether we're going to 4 and it seems most of the impeachment story will succumb to back on the trade story at some point as it raises temperature next we're going to be back with more business matters in just a few minutes time as we come up to the break and we're going to be talking very different change of cheering we're talking about pets but we're also going to be talking about the money they bring in so to stay with us. Distribution of the b.b.c. World Service in the u.s. Is made possible by American Public Media with support from Baird celebrating 100 years of financial partnerships with individuals businesses communities and institutions more information at Baird 100 dot com and Cronos providing solutions for the modern workforce and the people who support them learn more at Kronos dot com slash h r swagger. You're listening to business matters from the b.b.c. World Service with me Jamie Robertson coming up in the next half hour how much do you love your patch and I want that in dollars please because there's a global industry but I'm very interested in your answer and whether you know what a neuron is or not is precious little you could do without them and Santas just managed to make the 1st artificial one that's a business matters after the latest world news. B.b.c. News with Debbie Ross the Democrat led u.s. House Intelligence Committee has released a report setting out its case for impeaching President Trump It accuses Mr Trump of obstructing justice and Congress and soliciting the interference of a foreign government Ukraine to help his reelection next year this is Trump denies the accusations and regards the impeachment process as a Democratic witch hunt. A new study issued at the climate change conference in Madrid says the growth in global carbon dioxide emissions has slowed this year largely because of an unexpected drop in the use of coal in the United States China India and Europe but experts are warning that the drop in coal is offset by the strong growth in natural gas and oil consumption the co-founders of Google Larry Page and Sergey Brin are stepping down from their roles as chief executive and president of its parent company alphabet they said they believed it was time to assume the role of proud parents Google c.e.o. Send up a try will now run both Tech fans. Mexican officials say they have arrested 10 men who they claim were part of a group of at least 60 drug cartel members who attacked a town near the u.s. Border Villa Union was terrorized by the gunmen who arrived in heavily armed vehicles and sprayed buildings with bullets. Officials in Sudan now say that $23.00 people were killed in a huge explosion and fire on Tuesday at a ceramics factory in Khartoum at least 6 of the $130.00 people injured are said to be in a critical condition. And for the 1st time in its 35 year history Britain's prestigious Turner Prize has been awarded to all 4 shortlisted artists the Jordanian Lawrence Abu Hamed an all skimmer Rio of Colombia and the Britons Tai Shan and Helen Camac the decision was prompted by the artist themselves after they declared themselves a collective p.b.c. Nice. Well welcome back to business matters I'm a Jamie Robinson are also aware of social research networking. With Yorkers recorder professor emeritus of it talks about university in Turkey. Now how much do you love your pet I ask how much because for some people specifically those and the pet cat industry it is a very quantifiable love in dollars in fact in billions of dollars so we're going in-depth into the pet cat business the B.B.C.'s Sasha Twining has this report. That. Jokes cats fish birds What about a rabbit or 2 globally overhaul off of us have a pet an animal that shares our home the total pets industry is expected to be worth over $269000000000.00 u.s. Dollars by 2025 Time for a bit of shopping. West London whether Christmas lights are hanging down the high streets and the festive feel is in the air and no one definitely not the family pet gets left out here. What's this is a cigar the cat it's filled with catnip of course this is. Tough shit c b Sean mix and spoils Christmas Not course not like I could be I wrote a. Will probably have a wonderful Christmas if you want to feel dog you can buy them a bottle of the perfect gift for the loved. Dog next to it is a buffalo for 2nd supposed to protect wine for cats and dogs healthy herbal infusion of old. Linda blossom ginseng and carrot Well obviously is what every cat needs. A little bit of Christmas spirit in London at the weekend in the u.k. Incidentally the British pet industry is worth around $13600000000.00 u.s. Dollars now producing this program today is Matt Davis. Jr and you're not a little quiz quickfire questions on this one I've got the latest figures that we could find on pet ownership So tell me throughout the world where are cats the most popular pets I'll give you 3 choices Russia France or the USA I say France Yeah you know right though it's Russia they're all in the top 3 but 57 percent of households in Russia have a cat same question of the dogs which country has the highest percentage of homes owning a dog you can go Brazil Mexico Argentina Argentina you are right 66 percent of households in Argentina have a dog 2 or one more where a fish the most popular China Turkey or Belgium hide of the warts this guy was Belgium Mary sadly about China 17 percent of households in China have a pet fish now you've been looking through the Internet at some of the crazy but wonderful businesses that we have I have and I've also been specifically looking to find Petro towels somewhere where you can put your furry friend while you go on holiday you know what I guess we used to call this kenneling But this is much much more than that this is high end really posh stuff and I found one in South Africa in Johannesburg in the a very affluent northern suburbs not South Africans and people who live in Johannesburg they do love their dogs and of course their cats so when they go away they want the best for them and we found a place called must learn. Dogs which is run by in a car boiled she's been telling us a bit about her very high and very posh place for dogs and what they can expect to find when they get up to 15 luxury suites that they didn't. Need t.v. And that's well cute filthy and everything and that's how I started that happy people recognize me in South Africa Nischelle no one was doing what I was doing in fact if I thought I was a little crazy at think people were just standing back watching for a few years thinking is this going to even work and then off to probably the 1st 5 years I started noticing that people have come to the potty you know and I starting to want better things to come stances for the dogs and putting a little more if it so tell me about the cost how much does all this constant acre I've got a particular plant that's actually coming to join me for the same bear he's got 5 dogs in her family and their choice they and the big boy and a pain Tash for him and they'll stay up for a couple of weeks over the same you'd be looking at. Back at that he $1040.00 and so that's just under $3000.00 Us dollars. In the car from Must Love Dogs so in South Africa to give you an idea of the size of the potential market in 2016 it was estimated that 9200000 dogs were living in South African households that makes the country the 9th highest dog owning region in the world however compare that to the United States where dogs are the most popular Huff of all households own at least one according to the American Pet Products Association almost 85000000 households have some form of pet so in 2019 in the age of the Instagram influence are once big in the u.s. Industry now. Mindy monthly runs the pet store dog concur in Manhattan she caters for both dogs and cats and has a big section focusing on clothing it's funny in the dog world the trends very much follow what's on trend for humans so in terms of colors or patterns or prints the one thing with the dog market it's very much still focused on function so sort of a fashion meet function perspective where customers want items for their dogs that look good but they still need to serve a purpose to me Want something well this Christmas then for you well holiday sweaters are always a big hit for us so we've got some traditional Santa sweaters and snowman sweaters and that sort of thing and you know we always say if a dog dress in a Santa sweater doesn't make you happy then we're not sure what well me from the dog can cope pet store in Manhattan but let's turn now to another part of the industry move the luxury beds and colors to one side for a moment what about health care and Jones is from the p.d.s.a. They are the People's Dispensary for sick animals it's a veterinary charity in the u.k. There are a lot of advancements in factory Madison and so with the advance buttons things do become more expensive and there are a lot of animals that have inherent health problems that people might not be aware of these these new technologies these new treatment regimes Unfortunately they aren't cheap so we advise you sort of get in pet insurance that will cover you know a wide variety of ailments that will help with the cost ins if your animal does become sick I don't think people are fully aware or appreciate the cost ins that it does involve When you when you take on a pet when they're little puppies it said the life time that you're having to pay for care insurance or Internet report by the b.b.c. Session joining hands up everybody who's going to who's going to pass an animal at home. Don't you don't simply yet know well partly because. The apartment complex that I live doesn't allow Would you have one if you could. Not really. So that's my excuse. We're not going to put you down as not a hater on here just inconvenient as well for. I have one dog and 3 cats dog and 3 cats so do you take them to a hotel when you go away. Absolutely not I am not going to honor. The dog stays with my parents and we have an automatic feeder with a wife I camera so to feed the cats the cats can stay by themselves technology 1st of all the cats belong to my wife the dog is mine so I'd spend up to $15000.00 to save my dog but I only spent about $500.00 to save the cats yes that is the sort of the. Well we can bring press not as into this but I mean this is this is a difficult thing is that there is an industry out there to get the health side of those which demand large amounts of money and I'm you know a motivation by money to offer people services a surgery treatment for the dogs which actually want to be put down but because their own us love them so much keep them a long life and yet the 15 the $50000.00 that I just quoted there is not just an ass number it is actually the insurance that I pay for what I assume would be you know $11.00 your lifetime so in 11 years I'll pay about $15000.00 in insurance and in fact my previous dog cat is neat broke his knee they put in a ceramic need that I saw the bill is $15000.00 British pounds to put the knee in my national health care service will not put a ceramic me in meat my dog cat one but still shirt so raw is fine right either there are some morals to be drawn here but I can't quite work out what they are but. In terms of the global industry what is when you when Use listen to that report you say well of course of course so big but it still shocks you doesn't it your kind of theirs is a norm as industry out there because and it's it's built on people's love of animals. That's very true and particularly in Japan I think the number of pets has decreased over the past 5 years but the the the market size has increased really public yeah and the thing is that a lot of people live in the cities they're more and more apartment complex which allow pets and I think they have become part of the family so they spend a lot of money on them and you know instead of kids say Yes Well I think that's quite interesting I mean I wanted to son to pump a student gets that up but we live in a more atomized society we don't perhaps talk quite so much time on neighbors that actually we have to have animals instead because they're easier friends perhaps and people. Know what you think about. I think you know I've always believed that if you have to ask why you need to have a pet you'll never understand the answer that's love well it's really hard to it's really hard to describe what the dog like I work from home my dogs next to me the whole time I cannot imagine and I've always had one I cannot imagine working and not having the animal next to me I don't know what that would do to me but I'm never going to try. To. Now let's move onto neurons which is something the handbrake turn in terms of journalism they are what our nervous systems are built house of they are the cells that carry electrical impulses they flash one way your arm goes up they flash another way it goes down a team of scientists has assists physiologists have for the 1st time built artificial ones which respond to electrical system signals from the nervous system they can be attached to silicon chips for medical implants I asked Professor I don't know a guy who the University both Who led to the international project about how these manmade neurons could be used I mean obviously application is to be able to replace disease service not to service which if for instance b. Nourse 2 eyes are made these where the eye. In China was f. . Degraded so there are several hours I'm as one sees another possibly but our main focus is hot feta and basically the on your arms which are the base of the brain that synchronize heart and love and we have shown that by using and yarns to resynchronize thought and learned in hotplate or we've been able to we've. Basically the poll question and the pushing of our faith where do you see this going your research and this is products I think we are we are driven by the need to to develop their apiece for people knew a degenerative disease of this is our priority we're not aiming to make a brain human brain interface I mean it's not our goal but they are just think there are pieces like heart failure for example when you're in the same boat as I'm a disease maybe more to a coordination where people have a spin on a cord injury or you try to restore the motion of the legs for example and this is this is what we are targeting So in order to do that you have she created a company which is going to take this wouldn't commercialize is this is why the company which is implementing this technology. Called serious medical and this completed several cycle fund on Monday much for us which should let us go up slightly convinced that these these reports show poor the unique solution for heart failure which is incurable disease of the moment but you are an academic you're working University of Bath along with other academics from around well can you explain how that how the the project actually started up and where it's going to now in the push it started the food Academy collaboration with my future was equal to the universe or we saw which is Professor We support for support on was also involved in this publication and we had a very successful collaboration and eventually discovered abortion was. Speak up by the confessional manager they say they saw the potential we always saw the potential in the developing this technology and this company so weeks medical was spun off from the moving towards building you in the a pacemaker the moments with no further application down the pipeline where do you see you in a with your own career are you going to continue to be an academic you going to become a business personally going to become an entrepreneur or what I mean I'm an entrepreneur within the mix certainly is this is my present States but obviously it's things we're both I probably I may be dragged into having several pushback within the company but at the moment of this large European project for the which I'm steering so is plenty to keep me busy weaving Academy I even though I advise ing a company is it going to be eventually Oh I suppose a company could end up getting taken over by bit one of the big pharma companies is that is that that's the sort of dream of every entrepreneur that you start out something small and it gets taken over this is this is an interesting possibility there's a possibility over licensing the very nice bitterness that we have there used or sort of possibility of generating revenue from some of the application that we have for instance in the hot scene or in the near future to support research and development in other applications so that you know all these possibilities are there as professor on the graph in the university party let this project developing out of assurance you can we can we come back to this idea of entrepreneurs and how they start I was very different from the overseer standing up and garages in it and it's the university funded government funded to go 8 the e.u. As well in order to start this and then it gets spun off into the private sector doesn't happen in Japan it does and we have tried to do that promoted for some time and some successful examples but not a whole lot and some of the of the systems and processes have been changed in the funded by the government and so forth and so it's moving but when it come. Still whether we have any spectacular success example is I don't think we have we have not come that far should you expect spectacular attacks success from something which is government funded because many people civil government just doesn't understand what's what should be developed you know that's what the market should do or not governments well but you know particularly if the market does not quite understand what the it that this new technology is all about and at the beginning I believe that there have been a very recent policy change in the sense that the government funds some of these companies and I think the that the universities are where the ideas are generated and but it's got to become marshal ised to make sure that it makes an impact in the society in particular if we're heart failure know these things health care we relate it I think he had the market even though we have venture capital and so forth I think the if the government funding is needed right what are you what are your thoughts on this I mean about what the way in which which governments fund have a very high failure rate in terms of this kind of and. Yet to be fair I actually disagree I think that governments should be funding this for one very simple reason is that the vast majority of these drugs are targeted at very small numbers of people minorities and from a commercial perspective we have me not in this area we don't have but you know what's not in this case actually if this is dealing with Fed I mean hope that is one of the sure that this is what that's just one of absolute That's one example but there are more examples of drugs that are targeted at smaller demographics because the personalized medicine or medicine medications that are being made for them are sort of low hanging fruit they're easier to make However they're very expensive because they have to be made for each individual so. The ethical questions here is if you make it touched you charge the people who need it and there are cases where some drugs cost a $1000000.00 a year because they're such such low number a small number of people that's why governments actually should be helping doesn't because we have to deal with everybody not just people who have money medicine shouldn't be that way professional a story actually in Canada whichever other wants to come it's about Huawei vs r. And d. Kind of this is broken the last 24 hours can can you fill us in on what's happened I have to to we have been shocked absolutely shocked at this announcement and I say shocked because we thought while he was not very happy with Canada as a country because let's not forget that we are actually holding a senior while away. Executive in British Columbia at the request of the United States and the extradition still hasn't happened so we are holding her. Against the Chinese government's belief and they have punished us in many ways through trade through through sanctions through through talk and yet while way who is a big organization has decided to put There are indeed here so the way we're positioning it is they hate the u.s. So much that they're willing to go to bring it up to us who are actually holding one of their citizens to to get access to the technical expertise that North America seems to be very good at developing Can you get can your conclusion having to do you know why I mean. What it's a. The technical expertise it's not just Canadians and Americans that are in our tech Cobbs either in British Columbia or here in Ontario where I am but there are lots of foreigners we are very welcoming to people who want to immigrate into Canada who have technical expertise so we have a very vast and a very vivid entrepreneurial environment where it comes to technology especially in communications in areas of satellite communications and these types of communications so there's a lot of expertise here because the government has made it very easy to do it and that's when access to Ok Are you scared of whoa whoa way in a way that Americans say scat you know what I mean is that we have this whole thing about having the why do we have a blacklist because of national security concerns do you share those concerns. Now we're Canadians we don't have a list we have a great list at best so just is not really much more subtle. We're not afraid of the stick knowledge they we're not afraid of what the Americans are afraid of because quite frankly we have a lot of controls put in place already because we set up the systems the telecommunications systems in a much safer ways for our Canadian government and we are not as as risk as some of the American systems because so much competition has has left so many holes open you know what about in Japan is that his nervousness about. Chinese technology I mean not specifically where but I mean that is a one but I don't think it's we're as nervous as the u.s. Not to people understand or is aware of this technological leadership between the u.s. And China and where China is trying to sort of aid into it and so in that sense I don't think we have that much of a fear or threatened we may be quite fearful of surveillance capitalism what they call it and but other than that I don't think we are not threatened not surveillance cameras now no evidence countless Ok now we always end programs music we thought we have something to recognize because according to Spotify they are the top 5 most streamed songs around the world over the last 10 years so we're going to depart from tradition have slightly different music but we can we got a little bit of time to talk about it off as my colleague Sasha joining Texas for a count down we go. Let me start in traditional countdown order number 5 and it's this one when you're. Used to the floor it's thinking of you Ed Sheeran and a car sweep of your one of the U.K.'s most wealthy pop stars as well. Just finished a world tour and worth in the region of $207000000.00 u.s. Dollars incidentally this might not be the Anytime we hear him in this list. For this one from the American d.j. And production Geo Alex and true otherwise known as the chain smokers. Closer was a hit in 2016 news shows 24 year old New York Post Malone is a 3 with this one. Star big hit in the states and nominated for 2 Grammys girl rock star and so to the top 2 the 2nd most stream song of the decade is this. Canadian singer songwriter and rapper Drake or to give him his full name Drake Graham. One dunce was streamed 1700000000 times. Beating that and at number one he's back again. Ed Sheeran streamed 2400000000 times around the world it's shape. Up with. Mr Drake who's got a number 2 spot. Do you know you really well you know his music you know the truth is I'm a jazz man I listen to Coltrane and Armstrong Ellington and those types of guys so I don't but I do know his music because he's very big here in Canada and he's become a huge basketball fan so he gets more air time during a basketball game than the players do you know how those do know how you're going to keep up this already depends on what you want one sort of friend in this would want the younger generation our children you know as to whether they keep us up to date with these songs you know you hear it in the background all the time don't you just can't avoid the music yeah spaces some I mean Ed Sheeran I just get yes you can't avoid it sure and the other stuff yeah I sometimes I don't know. Postman sort of you know what about you well I listen I mean I don't know I just realized that I didn't know the names of the songs but I do listen and you know it's in the background very often so I recognize it so that's how far I go I did a little bit of calculation on how much I'd share and well not so much Ed Sheeran but all the holders of the music rights for Shape of you made from Spotify Ok then the holder of the rights could be special months the record label produces artists and songwriters Ok Robin what is out mathematically Spotify pays point 0084 of a dollar per stream now that's well that's a top whack of power and if I say we're going to presume the edge sure gets that so he made about $20000000.00 of that one track from Spotify which rather explains how he made money so what do you favor so if you lost 10 years very quickly what do you think what would you put your favorite some rough. That's not the old stuff but I just got to say I think we're in the wrong business we should sort of bend Yeah correct and rinse out of that rebuttal from one Yorker . Or you're going to go to number 1. 000. Bohemian Rhapsody he. Were also your age no assurance but he was going like he was going on and on my My favorite is a band called Power of stuff. More violence. This is the b.b.c. World Service and we're asking what makes the perfect city what do we need to do now to create the perfect cities of the future we have to accommodate more people and more activity in the same space in the next program we look at Europe's fastest growing city and how it's tackling the problems that come with the expansion as well as its ambitions plans to be 0 carbon my perfect city at b.b.c. World Service dot com. You're listening to the b.b.c. 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Needs the Democrat led u.s. House Intelligence Committee has released a report setting out its case for impeaching President Trump accusing him of a sweeping abuse of power for personal gain it accuses Mr Trump of obstructing justice and Congress and soliciting the interference of a foreign government Ukraine to help his reelection next year on North America Correspondent Peter both explains what happens next moving into the the prosecution stage although this isn't criminal this is political but when this moves to the House Judiciary Committee which it will in a matter of hours that starts open hearings on Wednesday they will be looking at the charge sheet and perhaps pulling together all of this information that's been provided to them.