Scott Morrison didn't mention China when he announced the new task force but its alleged meddling in Australia is causing concern Chinese agents have been accused of trying to infiltrate parliament in Canberra and of running other covert operations in Australia China said the allegations were nothing but lies Mr Morrison said the new foreign interference unit's was the culmination of years of work to me 10 evolving threats the Australian Government has described as an acceptable China's treatment of the detained Chinese born Australian writer a young Honduran the foreign minister Marie's pain expressed deep concern for the pro-democracy activist has been held since January on suspicion of endangering China's national security she says the former Chinese diplomat is subjected to daily interrogation while being shackled news from the b.b.c. . 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Summer says they will shut down government offices for 2 days this week so public sector workers can help with a mass vaccination campaign against measles the epidemic has already killed more than 50 people in the Pacific Island nation most of them children under 4 and up as our route has more details the rate of infection is showing no sign of slowing down we do 100 new measles cases in the last 24 hours alone 53 people have died 4000 cases have been recorded since the Samoan measles epidemic began in made October a compulsory vaccination scheme has so far focused on children but will now extend to everyone under 60 so all government services and departments will close disturbs and Friday to Samoan prime minister said those that did not believe in vaccination needed to be convinced that it was the only answer to the epidemic at least 15 people are feared dead in the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu they were buried under a wall that collapsed after heavy downpours in the city of Khan but tour schools and colleges have been closed in the state capital Chennai and in a number of other districts because of the torrential rain a sperm whale that died after getting stranded on a beach in northwest Scotland was found to have a ball of litter weighing 100 kilograms in its stomach the comparative mass included items such as fishing nets rope bags and plastic cups that it had swallowed residents of the olive Harris who found the carcass so that it highlighted the wider problem of marine pollution b.b.c. News. Welcome to a special edition of hard talk with me Stephen Sackur I'm on the road in Zimbabwe to witness the effects of change in Southern Africa's climate Zimbabwe in the post Mugabe era is wrestling with an economic crisis endemic corruption and widespread poverty which leaves him Bob We ns extremely vulnerable in the face of prolonged drought crops of failed hydro power is down the taps of run dry also at risk is in Bob ways wildlife population animals and people now in a desperate competition for resources I began my journey at Victoria for one of the wonders of the natural world where the waters of a zombie easy river plunge more than a 100 meters down the ravine that divides them bob way from Zambia. Long before David Livingstone got here and named this spectacular place Victoria Falls local people new it is the smoke that fund but right now this smoky mist isn't so thick and the sundering roll Well it isn't so relaxed. By life for more or less the Zimbabwean government's leading climate change research he is constantly monitoring his performance. Of course the falls are seasonal but something is happening it seems which goes beyond seasonal change yes you'll find that the Twitter follows the blunder of water although it is says no where it peaks around March for margin a lot of plot on much may play of the peak of amount of water falling through the Falls if you find out that during the past the recent years there's been a change in the amount of water that flows past through the week to the 4th and the more 2nd since even the most sitting year by around in Upper Egypt 2000 cubic meters per 2nd that is passed through the falls but for this year 20 $9000.00 the average is the $1000.00 to $1.00 pleat cubic metres per 2nd so it's down by almost 50 percent done by almost 50 percent now I'm going to stop here because here we are at this viewpoint it's called the Horseshoe Falls viewpoint but there's no force So this is remarkable this is where the water here is. The change in the trend is that the change in the low falls they're becoming more frequent right and this is a worry to this is one of our tourists trump card and also this is their little and most down theme in the upstreams and who knows maybe one year they'll be known for completely north and while that's quite a fall I mean that's scary if you could imagine Victoria Falls virtually dry you think that is a serious possibility it is many possibilities to if you look at the climate models just some 2 weeks ago would have pointed out on 8 to 7 could be meta specific and when I don't use 10 supposed to be 3 and a cubic meters per 2nd goodness me so that means my math is not great but that means you're getting barely a quarter between the core from the entire earth or the water that you would expect at this time of year Sure and it is a fish. Electricity generators of the hydro power those I don't bear and Zimbabwe rely on the huge reservoir Yes let for Zimbabwe's public draws about 60 percent of its electricity from Korea but true ours from Victoria Falls is a novel or of Zimbabwe's natural splendors Wangi national. Business is the biggest in because if I say the Yes Wow I mean me and I want to tell the elephants here how many this is the way we have it because with inflation of the elephant in the world to gnash a father was is the public face of Zimbabwe the or thorough see that runs Wangi this vast unspoiled stretch of Western Zimbabwe boasts Africa's highest concentration of elephants it is everyone's idealized image of Wild Africa except for one thing this land is dying of photos so this is why I can be in mid November this should be the rainy season but from the dried grass and the leafless trees the rains haven't come the drought continues. In other parts of Africa elephant herds of been devastated by poaching and habitat destruction not here Wang huge elephant population is around 50000 and that's good news and bad in prolonged drought Wangi lacks sufficient food and water for its elephant population. As a group of elephants just over there they're feeding each elephant needs about 300 kilograms of food and day they strip the trees and then they move along and in a drought like this that means they're constantly on the move in a desperate. Food. The parks will for a few years using solar pumps to keep the water holes from drying out not taking more drastic measures to $600.00 elephants or to be shipped to areas less ravaged by drought more than 30 young wild elephants were recently captured and sold into captivity in China and every year Zim parks permits $500.00 elephants to be killed by Hunt. How desperate do you think they become these elephants in these very unusual drought conditions I think the situation is very desperate it is dire because if you look at the distance that the animals are travelling in set off and set off what is termites for them and also if you look at I mean was coming to starvation they're dying within 50 metres hundreds of metres as you can see the cut us off and it's within 15 metres from the water source and that's the situation and it's not only what that we have been telling history there's no food I can give you for example the dead that we've collected between September and October we have lost at least $200.00 elephants. From starvation from starvation is what about the intense. Potential conflict now between the elephants and the human population or around the park what is happening so far we've lost at least they did the lives from January to 2 human right left corner that people have died I mean these are 33 people in local villages who have been killed by elephant throughout the country Countrywide and they did that in more than 50 percent human elephant conflict and that means that the communities close to this park are becoming increasingly frightened and angry about the elephants and they see you from Zimbabwe prox authority whose job is to protect these elephants. And there actually I'm beginning to resent you 2 of those at some point which is the infamous you know we ended if you know where. In the eastern part of the country was killed by an elephant the community chased us away they almost distorted us we had to go through the traditionally dead to say we are here and these are the problems that are facing we must do more to give that we my support he said that if climate change is getting worse the conflict between the wildlife particularly here the elephants and the human population is only going to get worse is one of the good going to get with the numbers I mean. I am saying the political caving capacity of this part is 15000 we are talking of between 4 decided in 50000 elephants that's not is Muamba we have more than doubled the number so that's where we are so you are in a sense you're avoiding the hard truth that what you want You are essential to telling me is that thousands of elephants in this park will have to be killed or transported away from here to make this park so this thing that they need to be moved from here to this sustainable this this era jet that's the Elliott The cynics will point to what you do and say you do not actually have the best interests of the elephants at heart for example recently you sold more than 100 young elephants to China sold them to China to go to zoos that to many people in conservation is simply unacceptable you know it was not the ones of sale of 500 elephants you know people try to evoke emotions they can you justify it or don't let them explain people try to evoke emotions they use like baby elephants big wads to evoke emotions we don't sell baby elephants we kept sub I dealt elephants those who are independent outside their mad look at your budget so there you are the National Park Service Office them but that was I should be doing that's what I'm saying that people used to. Evoke emotion we don't just woke up one morning and take the animals there's a lot of the sage which is dead and that the stage now leads to the translocation of those and how much how much money did you and your organization get from selling . From 2012 to $26.00 and was we only did that thing from 2012 to criticize how much money when $3000000.00 yeah what are you going to end on a 1000000 u.s. Dollars Yes What happened to that money at. The breakdown we had used up 150002 buy you door saving. And to patrol units we have. Some vehicles for the patrols that we do for and to put in pay model with put more money into and pushing also to have a system tends for engines will spend $21.00 days in the bush looking up that is the international community support the similes that they were making we need to $105.00 elephants elephants to attain a dimension also make the same noise that climate change is the seas are destroyed division is lost those are the issues you know it's not you know 1010 young elephants you know. It's a drop in the ocean will not be felt even even if you take thousands that just mean from Windy we drove down rough trying to meet the communities who from the neighboring land. Right now were heading down an extremely bumpy difficult track to get to a village which has become one of the front lines in the confrontation between people and wildlife. And Gamble villages home to subsistence farmers from the number trying at the best of times life here is hard no electricity no paved road along me to school for the kids. The dry riverbed one sign of a farming community in. Deep trouble the drought has forced elephants out of Wangi in the search for food Madelene a shock is preparing her cloth for sure compliant though nothing will grow without rain last month her brother was out here when elephants passed through. That. Well haven't done. So about God. It was on a Thursday when he left nice in the afternoon for the bush to look for his cats. He never returned. And. We assume on his way back that evening he used to clear. Avoiding the road we normally used which is Bush's to avoid elephant. Unfortunately the elephants the river drinking and I think as they left the river that's when they attacked him. And I buy a lot of people will worry about the security and the future for the elephants here in the drought but you seem to be saying the problem really is for the human beings more than the elephants. They can say the elephants have the challenges people we are also experiencing challenges from them those people who look after them should try to move them away from the community to a specified secluded place Jordan got it. After leaving Gamba village we flew across Zimbabwe to the capital Harare. From the air the parched landscape stretching to the far a rice drought has stretched this country's infrastructure to breaking point in Harare alone 2000000 people have no water in their taps that. Romo half a 1000000 people live in the sprawling township of Embury in the outskirts of Harare this place simply isn't equipped to cope with an environmental crisis they've had no piped water here for months collar and tie for a looming threat. And Somerset the entire neighborhood is plunged into darkness the electricity grid has been crippled by a lack of hydroelectric power so the only light comes from oil lamps fires on the lucky few would generate. 6 there's my mother this is my sister down a maze of dark alleys and a block originally built for a single male laborers but now teeming with families I meet Yvonne Mogambo she and 3 generations of her family live in one room and after dark they huddle together by candlelight hive Yeah we have the electricity we have no want to also to use the king. Or sometimes we use the toilet just Yvonne in the dark at night when there's no power there's no lights to you and the kids feel safe here you know you don't feel safe where some of the people are being roped it tonight they are the 1st all over this community so we don't feel safe if there's no electricity he just sits sometimes we just see didn't talk we don't dare food to eat sometimes they just left without eating what do you think the future is going to be for your family how the future is not good at all because these Does no one going to school there is no one who's going to lose quite a job we just seats we just wait for people to help us to find food to eat us for people to help us. Yvonne expresses a frustration and disenchantment that you hear frequently in Zimbabwe food shortages and power outages have been exacerbated by prolonged drought but these problems come after years of misrule and economic collapse under President Robert Mugabe and his Zanu p.f. Party Gabi is gone of course but for many Zimbabweans life has not improved under his successor emma she went and got his They're getting less than lethal the places that when what what was the largest. It was doesn't leave most everything is downdrafts ready and do you have children yet and they're not going to school I can't afford to let the school fees for the I'm a crowd gathers around the store selling basic provisions when I ask them whether life has improved on them and got there on his unanimous was. Right for us outside of Harari bank hundreds wait in a long queue under Mugabe hyperinflation meant the Us dollar became the de facto currency now there's an effort to reintroduce the Zimbabwean dollar but only in limited amounts and people tell me that they can withdraw barely enough to last a single day one woman I met was prepared to give President one and God a chance yes and what's the difference you are using many people here are not white why are you so comfy everything when she thinks the course enough is enough he said it is going to destabilize the chronically sick being sent home from one of Harare's biggest hospitals almost all the doctors are refusing to work they don't call it a strike they say they've been incapacitated by salaries that have been dramatically devalued to people Mungo for had initially been proud to qualify as a medic but not now people are dying out we do board did because of the current situation in the hope is dimming in Zimbabwe his last days no York is due to talk about what the government would say that is on your conscience years but it's not on our questions cause we cannot afford to come to a game they cannot choose make to pay for my views they cannot use my questions to pay for transport I am just an ordinary employee like in the employee and I need to pick up a stupid for me to do my job. The Zimbabwean government fears as many as. 7 and a half 1000000 people will need emergency food aid next year officials deny that this is the result of mismanagement or mis rule the Environment Minister Mangal e. So in love who blames continued sanctions and the impact of Zimbabwe's prolonged drought we suffered quite heavily the impact of the drought has been quite severe and the humanitarian aspect is that that it is out of that and climate change of course well with respect it's not just about the drought as it is to do with problem long mis management incompetence and corruption inside the Zimbabwean economy that's your government's door that's not the drought I doubt that is correlate with all due respect because when we talk of people going hungry we had literally talking about food on the table and food on the table these that direct impact coming from the drought that we have experienced and this has pledged if I may say. Governments social protection expenditure because we have had to import close to 70 percent of our grain just to make sure that these adequate Crain in the country so we have had to contend with the effects of isolation with the effects of sanctions and this is impaired our ability really to compete and provide services as we would like and we have begin you know just annoy you rather tactfully put it in there reference to sanctions as though some of this could be blamed upon the international community for the very limited targeted sanctions which the u.s. And the e.u. Have put on Zimbabwe going back many years the truth surely is that again scapegoating sanctions will not work because in the words of the u.s. Ambassador to this country just the other day he said it is unacceptable to talk about sanctions as a scapegoat when's. Bob ways real problem is a fundamental betrayal of public trust there are people getting rich many in Zimbabwe's political elite as they call me continues to deteriorate around them and it is the Zimbabwean people who are suffering that's from the u.s. Ambassador. I wouldn't expect him to say anything different would you I mean is them imposing the sanctions if they're so ineffective but justifies the systems because they're targeting individuals who are deemed to be thoroughly corrupt I am former Minister of Industry and Congress the biggest company we ever had in this country where this course it's still under sanctions today one of the biggest companies that were formed to spearhead industrialization I was under sanctions how to get it these sanctions when you look at banks that have been penalized just for facilitating transactions business transactions you think these attack it this is smart because it's targeted it call ups in the economy Mr I want to weigh in with a question not just about the here and now but the future you're one of the young ministers in the government you're seen as a bit of a rising star in the Zanu p.f. You've admitted that the last 20 years have been very tough for the people of Zimbabwe why on earth should they believe that the next few years ago to be any better because as one woman put it to me yesterday and Barry it's not just this generation who are seeing their hopes crushed it's the next generation the children whose hopes are being crushed to think you if there's one thing that I really appreciate during my time in this government 2nd dispensation is the reform decisive reform program that we've undertaken I've just highlighted to you that yes it's been a very difficult journey but I believe that we are putting the fundamentals in place to make sure that future generations do not go through the same pain that we have then the leader will have to be measured on the impact they have not just for their generation but for the generations to come and they believe that the president has done a remarkable job in just reforming the. And as we speak. We believe that's where the soul of. The generation that lived through the Mugabe era sold their hopes crushed long ago Zimbabwe's tragedy is that in the face of economic collapse and environmental crisis a new generation is being robbed of a decent future. Distribution of the b.b.c. World Service News Hour in the u.s. Is made possible by American Public Media producer and distributor of award winning public radio content a.p.m. American Public Media with support from Cabot cheese a farmer own co-op offering cabbage cracker cuts pre-sliced cheeses available in resealable packages in 6 varieties more information at Cabot cheese dot co op. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service today we're going to be looking at the rise and rise of Chinese technology once considered the land of the IP theft and copycats Beijing's big boys like 10 cent are these days global player but with a trade war and thanks to bad government snooping can't compete with Silicon Valley in tech that's because day in a couple of minutes. B.b.c. News for Gerry Smit the latest round of international climate talks is getting underway in Madrid the meeting comes at a crucial time the u.n. Secretary general has warned humanity is approaching a point of no return and experts say drastic action will be needed last week the world nature of a logical organization said the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere had reached the highest level on record China is taking action against the United States every support for Hong Kong's pro-democracy movement initially it will limit visits to the territory by u.s. Military vessels and aircraft Beijing says it will also target u.s. Based organizations like Human Rights Watch government offices in summer will be closed for 2 days this week to allow staff to help run the vaccination program aimed at combating a measles outbreak more than 50 people have died in the epidemic most of them young children. Australia is launching a new task force to combat foreign political interference last week a Chinese defectors say Beijing was running covert operations in Australia the government in Canberra has also condemned Beijing's treatment of a Chinese born Australian writer young and was detained in general for allegedly endangering China's national security a far at a farm in western Jordan has killed at least 13 Pakistani citizens Jordan is host to thousands of foreigners good cultural workers many of whom live in atrocious conditions at least 15 people are feared to have been killed in Toronto rains in southern India they were buried under a wall that collapsed in the city of Qom by Toure the autopsy of a whale stranded in northern Scotland has shown it has 100 kilogram ball of litter in its stomach much of it plastic it's not clear if the debris is linked to the whale dying b.b.c. News. And welcome to business daily from the b.b.c. Today China the new cutting edge for global technology China getting ahead not only new retail but in mobile payments in facial recognition electric vehicle drones all of these things are in fast motion in China but amid fears over snooping and security. Really into the global stage some of this technology there is rising there are concerns about data being leaked or stolen that's all to come in business daily from the b.b.c. . A grocery store you've probably never seen before this is downtown Shanghai a maze of conveyor belts delivering food at the touch of a screen product details provided for everything sell by and package history all online there are even facial recognition systems so you don't need a credit card to pay for it. They all evolve a supermarket really makes the Whole Foods grocery store in my New York City neighborhood look very antiquated run by a local tech giant the u.k. Consumer and technology commentator Rebecca fine and says this is the latest in Chinese technology and it's a glimpse into the future of shopping everywhere there's no cash or cashiers or checkout lines it's all digital you pay by. Pay there or do it yourself better equipped with digital cameras a scan and id your face so facial recognition isn't there the grocery orders are bagged and clipped to an overhead conveyor belt the runs across the store and deliveries happen within 30 minutes by scooters within a 3 kilometers own. There are also augmented reality screens that are in the supermarket positioned above fresh foods that tell you what time the delivery was made where the food came from you can sit there and have your food delivered by a conveyor belt Well Rebecca Fannin runs a tech consultancy called silicon dragon and she argues this kind of Ai driven retail is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what Chinese tech firms can offer the global market China is getting ahead not only a new retail but in mobile payments in facial recognition in electric vehicle drones in on demand delivery all of these things are in fast motion in China your new book tech titans of China describes a journey for China from imitator to innovate I mean has it been that rapid and what is the time scale that we are looking at well it has been very rapid and China has gone from copying and imitating or adapting to innovating today and what's happening lately is that some of these Chinese tech innovations are being copied by the West so for instance the 15 2nd video app is now copied in the West we chat messaging system has been copied in the West even the luck in coffee which is a competitor that sprung up to Starbucks in China that offers on demand instant delivery has a new look alike in New York City critics of course cynics in the United States will say many of them that China has achieved this very largely firstly through copyright theft of intellectual property from u.s. Firms and secondly by shutting out Western firms from getting into the Chinese market in the 1st place or when they do come in their IP is copied mercilessly and then they're booted out. Well you could argue that China has had an unfair advantage against Western companies coming into China that were blocked from even injuring China but on the other hand there were a number of mistakes made by multinational companies injuring the Chinese market they didn't adapt quickly enough to local standards they didn't hire local managers and they couldn't compete with these ferocious Chinese competitors so China has moved ahead and is getting into a new era of innovation consultant there Rebecca found in one another Chinese social media platform that has been making inroads internationally of late has been this little beauty in front of me it's cool to talk I'm holding it in my hand it's on my phone now to funky video sharing platform you go bust of the last thing you know it allows me to upload self videos with funny filters and no G.'s and what have you and it's big in all kinds of countries these days the Us India and elsewhere but it hasn't played without controversy either the B.B.C.'s media analyst Carey Allen has been telling me about. One of the things that a lot of people acknowledge is because it's a Chinese platform they expect that it will be subject to a degree of censorship so last week there was a young woman who decided that she was going to make a video masquerading as one of these make up blogs and halfway through the make up tutorial she suddenly starts talking about the oppression of weak as in in northwest China and saying that the Chinese government are trying to basically she she uses the words it's you know the Holocaust I also wanted you guys had a good long lashes for the 1st thing you need to do is grab your last caller curl your lashes obviously then you're going to put them down and use your phone they're using right now to search up what's happening in China how they're getting concentration camps during innocent Muslims in there and people activists on platforms lie. Talk but also Twitter and Facebook will mash airing this and it got more than a 1000000 clicks so she says that her account was blocked and there are questions about this because to talk of already tonight that they block content on their overseas platforms but there are suggestions that they might have actually played a hand in making sure that it was blocked but I can't say for sure we can't say for sure but it is an interesting question isn't it because there is this Di lemma I suppose on the one hand China has a reputation for being a bit of a control freak when it comes to messaging it doesn't like but when that is applied to a tech firm going global making a stamp on the world and then deed that having a commercial impact then that is a real problem for Chinese digital exports it is yes I mean China has seen these as opportunities to grow its soft power seen Tick-Tock as a way to spread China's message but this video will have made the company very nervous and yet I think it's very likely that they would have deleted it because they don't want this message to travel back to mainland China and to see that that company is allowing such content on its platform there is a commercial rivalry going on here of course between the United States and China and a lot of this has to do with this kind of self learning technology isn't it artificial intelligence that if something like to talk or any Chinese made software is having a big impact globally then that is a conduit to a greater global expansion potentially for all Ai coming out of China because it's providing you with priceless data about consumers around the world Yeah absolutely and there was actually a case a few months ago involving a Chinese app that the u.s. Hadn't seen anything like and this was an app called South and it allowed people to their face into a video and they could appear to be characters within movies so a lot of Chinese people were putting their face into apps and they appeared to be suddenly in a scene of. Thrones or or similar programs or films like this and the technology was so sophisticated a lot of media within mainland China but also overseas got very nervous about this and they said it was basically it was taking people's facial data and there was the suggestion that if you didn't have the right security in place that this data could be leaked so many people nowadays are using their face to pay for things in China this has become one of the growing trends that some of this technology there is rising there are concerns about data being leaked or or stolen they've got your face they can still your money quiesce. Well that could be the subject for another business daily couldn't it the B.B.C.'s Carrie Allen there but Chinese tech entrepreneurs say they're not too bothered by the scandals and the criticisms coming from abroad and I've been speaking to William Bauer bean he runs a Chinese startup accelerator in Shanghai called oddly enough China accelerator helping fledgling firms prepare for international trade the real challenge that anybody has when they're going into a new market is that their gut instincts their feeling about what the product should do and how the product should work usually they end up being completely wrong so it's very tough for a Chinese engineer a product of our power to create a product for the u.k. Says it's very tough for somebody from the u.k. To create a product that actually gets any usage at all in China so what the entrepreneurs are increasingly doing is localizing is changing the product to suit the needs and with the intelligence is in the software the software learns and so the experience can be personalized user by user by user so you can overcome some of the challenges both u.s. European and Chinese companies have all experience as they try and go global you talk about an expanding raft of opportunities for software firms coming out of China but there is the one thing you haven't mentioned which is the reputational problem I mean we know what happened to Huawei it was a firm that was basically shut down by global mistrust around the Chinese software firms because they might be a Trojan horse bringing threats and menaces through their software on to people's phones and devices and that is a concern surely with all of these apps and I look at take talk online it's one of the 1st questions I see asked on Google it's you know is it safe to use to talk people are wondering Yeah so I think the funny thing is that most people who use Facebook and Google are all and if you talk to Milan eels regenerations e r m i. So the world you know especially outside of Western Europe and North America they actually don't really care that much they're interested in getting the content that they want to see their interests in having a great experience so for the most part this is a using a generational shift and you're also seeing a shift from kind of a traditional North America Western Europe markets now the vast majority of Internet population is not from these markets he has a point the expansion of big Chinese names like Tencent Baidu who are way an early Barber across Southeast Asia in India has been striking here's a case in point Sophie sun She runs a new app travel right providing Chinese tourists immediate help and advice claiming compensation when foreign travel providers let them down cancelling their flights and so after just a few months Sophie is rolling and equivalent version of her service in neighboring countries as well today we are the 1st compensation plan form in China so we are partnering with international Chinese based on travel agents by patterning with them we can reach other nationalities we're on the way to be Korea and Japanese version it will be a valuable beginning of next year so Asian is our awful cars is there any problem building a Korean or a Japanese platform for us a Chinese based company you know definitely we need to understand what's said big difference in terms of user behavior while we are design our part to act we need to pay attention to it it's a part of on the outside thing that's a key point is friending the local partners to walk ways if we can solve that problem and I think things will come smoothly since we have servicing Asia from the Aton they'll icing with untold recovery Japanese market I'm confident for that how fast are you hoping to grow. So like a monster go with you handling hundreds of cases per week. Believe we can handle Sauza of claim how weak the Chinese start up founder Sophie soon but for all the bullishness there are certainly obstacles ahead for Chinese firms this part of the trade war with the us there are several limits being imposed on some of them by the us and Europe firms like wa way for example the technology provider with some of the world's leading 5 g. Hardware is Rebecca fine and again countries are having to decide which system they're going to go with are they going to go with the wall way Chinese system or are they going to go with a Western supplier such as Nokia or Ericsson So yeah these security issues are playing out big time in this distrust of Chinese brands and Chinese companies because spill over into other sectors for instance the Chinese electric vehicle makers of come on strong in China but whether they'll be able to go global or get into the western world is a nother matter because there is this growing distrust of Chinese companies you know can you are they spying on us are listening to everything we're doing even with we chat as a messaging system and it's used in business today to a for a conference calls can you trust we chat can you trust these Chinese systems it seems like the big front all together is going to be isn't it this is probably the sector in which China may be able to surprise us those anxieties if it can demonstrate it really is the global leader. Well that this is true in ai China is getting ahead and implementing it very fast in 2 smart cities and 2 payments solutions into health care and defend and it's getting ahead because China doesn't have this same kind of data and privacy concerns that the Western world has and so this data is being collected all the time and Ai feeds on data the more data you have the better it is and so this is one reason China is getting ahead and also with a 1000000000 consumers like us you get an awful lot of free data released immediately if you're in the Chinese market Well that's true yeah and you do have facial recognition systems that are recording everything and so all that data is being fed into into these Ai algorithms on the other hand there has been this pushback by the u.s. Against supplying Chinese Ai companies so I think that could definitely slow the progress of China a I in certain areas how do you see this playing out I mean is there a solution for the Chinese government for the you know the the finance ministry of China the commerce secretary Can he step in and somehow provide some form of reassurance or technological foil wall around these firms so that they can spread their commercial tentacles even without that the footprint of the Chinese superstate upon them no I don't think so I think the closer the Chinese government gets to these companies the more worrisome a company comes to the Western world there have been signs that the Chinese government is playing a bigger hand in in some of the management of these companies that they want to board see that they attend meetings this is already happening and this sins of worrying signal to the Western world like these companies are really very tied to the Chinese government aren't they China has risen so rapidly their startups are getting ahead their emerging companies are getting ahead. They're getting ahead in patents they're getting ahead in many sectors that really matter as the Western world feels threatened by this China's rise and we're responding by putting restrictions on China rather than opening up and collaborating which has been the operating mode of the past decade or so of collaboration and cooperation and look r. And d. Together is better than single are Indies so we're seeing a parallel universe develop of China r. And d. And China innovation and Western world are Indian innovation so a split is occurring and there's no sign of these breaking out between now and the 2020 elections in the us I doubt if. Rebecca found importer of a new book tech titans of China so the jury remains out on who is going to rule supremum in the battle for technology and a i world wide but when we find out we'll certainly let you know here on his next day that's it from me for today thank you and same time tomorrow join us. You're listening to witness history on the b.b.c. World Service I'm Jordan Dunbar on the 2nd of December 1903 the hunt for the world's most infamous drug trafficker came to dramatic end Pablo Escobar. Good heavens it seems like a long time ago. Had risen from poverty to become one of the richest men in the world the kingpin of the world's cocaine trade running the drug from Colombia to the u.s. And Europe he was making billions and by 993 was one of the most wanted men on the planet central to the conflict is Pablo Escobar a leader of the Mehdi and cartel and Colombia's most feared criminal cocaine dealing transported him from cult they to one of the world's richest men I think for one thing between you and I was smarter and he was able to intimidate the people that worked for him you can't get to his powerful position without being pretty damn smart as Lisbeth Zilly was an intelligence agent for the American Drug Enforcement Agency based in the Colombian capital of Bogota Colombia had become the number one cocaine producer in the world and it was said the for every person snorting lines of cocaine in the u.s. Forward to 5 of those lines came through Escobar as cartel Elizabeth was part of the u.s. Government's efforts to monitor and shut down the drug trade She 1st worked in Colombia in the 1970 s. And then a 2nd time in the late 1980 s. Gathering intelligence from informants in the drug cartels Hobbs' the cities of met a young colleague and car to Hana what I remember most of all is sending out our end c.r.i. Is confidential informants and each informant had perhaps 2 or 3 people to track where they would go out and then bring back information I went out to see my informants in bothering key. In court the hand Nah I would go up there with money to pay them I would give briefs by $993.00 she was on the search for Public Bar Nothing is too small when you're gathering intelligence the slightest thing can be of importance just everything to do with the person you're concerned about the clothes they wear where they go to eat drink who are their friends and when she wasn't dealing with informants she was searching for the plantations for the drug was grown in the Colombian jungle but we did a lot of helicopter flying looking for fields cocoa plantations marijuana plantations it had to be done from from choppers a loved it Elizabeth wasn't fierce being a woman in a very male dominated world I had an incredible boss and he treated man and women just alike and he took a Trout's on me there was no feeling of resentment among the male or gents there was non and fact I rose to be a supervisor and I had man under me working for me there was never a bit of problem in that area Pablo Escobar changed the game when it came to supplying drugs he set up so-called mega laboratories in the size of Colombia to manufacture cocaine on an industrial scale the drugs then traveled north to be transported to the u.s. It was estimated he was making half a 1000000000 dollars a week and became the 7th richest man on earth by 989 my 1st tour I used to fly over a lot of the fields and we'd try and figure out how many were growing up what do we have here and then one high point was when I got got to help torch a coke lab that was great fun my boss was furious with me but I enjoyed it so much we tried to get a good grip on the numbers but it's so difficult of the billions of dollars he made then fueled corruption through the army police and government see bribed officials to grow his empire this dirt. Imani infected every level of life in Colombia as Elizabeth says crime changed from her 1st tour of duty there in the 1970 s. To when she came back in the late eighty's the 2 main elements to begin with were street crime and home invasion this was pre Pablo but then after our friend Pablo became what he became it would became much worse it became a state of siege one night a bomb went off at a pizzeria right down from my high rise and practically bit me out of bed. Escobar had a simple saying when dealing with obstacles to his drugs trade plotter or promo money or a bullet if he couldn't bribe he'd shoot One estimate puts the number of murders linked to Pablo Escobar as high as 5000. Years as a nation last week of the man expected to become Colombia's next president and anime of the drug cartel was a brazen demonstration of the cartel determination to hang on to it's the murder of Luis Carlos go and August 1909 changed everything he had promised to extradite drug lords to the United States if you won the election it was this policy that led to his assassination I clamped on on the drugs trade began on a period of intense violence started Colombian drug barons say they have declared total war on their government they bombed the offices of 2 of the country's political parties and are threatening to attack judges business and union leaders in 1901 Escobar 100 himself into the authorities almost sentenced to prison in Colombia rather than be extradited to face justice in the United States only in this case he would build his own prison nicknamed. The cathedral it was a luxury ranch sided on the hills above made a in his 9 a Taurus from city where his crime and. Was beast it wasn't your usual government run prison there was very comfortable he had ladies there he had all of the the physical things that a gentleman would like to have lots of booze in the company and fun in June 1901 he had actually surrendered to authorities and then imprisoned or so the world thought but his jail on a mountaintop in the middle suburb of n.v. Goggle was really like a 5 star hotel the fitting an honored guest not a prisoner it was alleged that Escobar had continued to run his drugs empire from within this luxury prison in 1980 to cited hit hard enough when Pablo walked out or pardon me I shouldn't say walked out escaped then the state of siege truly began the hunt for public bar was on and the rumors began to fly 1st he said that he was in Spain then they said that he was in Argentina that's very very interesting because they said the same thing about not too long ago I would chop up to smile on this drug traffickers never leave they want to be in their comfort zone Chapal never left clearly a car on Pablo never left Mehdi the D.E.A.'s was sharing the intelligence it received with the Colombians on the hunt informants and told us that he was running through fields at night Pablo trying to find a place to sleep he had no easy access to all of his money and it's amazing with drug traffickers how their friends fall by the wayside he was having a tough time of it. On the 2nd of December 1993 a police squad searching for the drug bar and got lucky when the Colombian police really set out to find him it was absolutely fascinating we were helping them that they were doing a lot on their own one thing that we did help them with in marrying was telephonic triangulation this technology allowed the Colombians to track Escobar by looking. His mobile phone was when he made calls it proved to be vital to the agents on the ground one day 5 of them or in a car dressed very casually not in uniform driving down the street to marrying and they got a little tick on their device they looked up in a window and there was Pablo sitting on a ledge plain as day talking to his son within half an hour it was all over there wasn't much of a gun fight but Pablo with Dan president of area is it true is problem Escobar really dead yes public school body is is that he was killed today big boss and our agency ran out into the hall none of us know all of us here and he said for 3 words We got him and that's how we learned Elizabeth silly is now retired from the u.s. Drug Enforcement Agency she was speaking to me Jordan Dunbar for witness history now I won the b.b.c. World Service I did Jamaican music become so important in the u.k. 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