Champion and human rights advoc profile ofni american masters nt week. Im going to be 70. 40, 40, 40 we call it. The 40th anniversary of the w. T. A. , the 40th anniversary of the prize money. So thats the 40th Year Anniversary and then of course russian is 40th. Itsni my 70th birthday in november and i feel like i have one great thing left and im going to be working on leadership for women. Rose we conclude with Christopher Schroeder, his book is call startup rising, the entrepreneurial revolution, remaking the middle east. People ask me often what going to happen in syria the next six months and i dont have the ability to have that crystal ball but what i can tell you with complete certainly is that in the next three years there will be a lot more technology in the hands of people all around the world and the ramifications of that are think are very significant. n n se nr a conversation about syria with al hunt,nrni billie n king and Christopher Schroeder when we continue. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Good evening, im al hunt, cazlie rose is on assignment. President obama continued to make the case today at the g20 meeting in st. Pex intervention in syria. Butxd he faces a tough battle,ni bothaabwz foreign leaders andcot home with congress. ni m[svakes are huge for american politics and global security. Joining me today aknn three ofco thenr foremost journalistic experts on these matters. From new york, mark halperin, editor at large and senior political analyst for Time Magazine and here with me inco washington, david ignatius, diplomatic columnist in for the Washington Post and Jackie Collins, White House Reporter for the new york times. David, let me start with you. We sawni considerable tension at st. Petersburg. Itsco seemingly not a lot of conclusions. How is this playing out . Well, its anr poignant situation, two years trying to avoid taking a strong position onco syria isi now caughtnr having said that he favors military interventionco d support both domestically in congress and internationally at st. Petersburg is slipping awayr heni left st. Petersburg really withlecsr in terms of International Support than he had when he arrived. The french, who were initially going tonr be our military allis and join in this operation, are now saying theyre not prepared to act until after the u. N. Inspectors makeco their report. There is a very small and frail coalition behind obama. I think that there is still a possibility that in quiet conversations that have been taking place between the u. S. ns andni russia that there can be some diplomaticco movement. Whether it will come in time to avert aco u. S. Strike i dont know. But if you ask the white house,i if you asked the state department they continue to say that they think thenico only soo resolution of thenr syriani cris is a newnr geneva conference tht is brokered by both the u. S. And russia. Thats the only way out. Theyre not seeking a military victory. They keep stressing that in every conversation i have. So if thatsni what theyre aft, there still is a littleat another week, to get there. You said the odds are not good for that. But the they do that, does assad stay . co the issue now for moreni thai assadsco departure. The russians haveco said publicy understand that basharxd alassd at someco point will leave as president of syria. ni the issue is whether hell have anr dignified exit, the u. S. Has triedxd to say, as theco opposin says, he must leave as a precondition of talks. co thats the kind of thing you could probably find a nuanced solution for if theni russians decided that their interests were best served by beingnr part of thenr diplomacyni now as oppo crush the rebellion. Lets assume for a moment that doesnt happen and either we strike, he gets congressional authorization or we dont strike how does it change the dyna in the region . How does it affect not just the civil war in the region but how does it affectni iran . nr the middle east is nearnr to cracking athrong shiaco sunni fault line as it is. Thats why the syria problem is such a deep crisis. Its a crisis which has saudi arabia on one side, iran on the other fighting through proxies to get a sense of what lies ahead on the ground i talked to the free syriannr Army Commander in the Southern Region afternooi damascusninr. ni he fed is the u. S. Strike he is has 30,000 fighters prepared to movi quickly to seize control of most of the city. He said secondly that unlike in the north where the extremists, the al qaeda affiliates areni vi strong in the south around damascus theyre weak and im told that will by other intelligence sources. So i thinkn you can expect to see a decisive strike. It wont be a slap on the wrist wherever the president says, whatever the resolution says, it will be a significa rose and what does iran do . I dont, i think i think iran believes that assadnh ride out theco strike, believes that the u. S. Will become ever moreni isolated. co interestingly, iran has sent some signals that if its made part of the diplomatic negotiations, if its given a seat at the table it may be willingco to cooperate in some discussions. u visit to tehran last weekninixdy former secretary of state Jeffrey Feltman whos now part of the u. N. Secretariat. He went to tehran specifically to talk to the iranians about syria and im told it was a very interesting, complicated discussion. That would be a fascinatingni development. Jackie, stakes are huge at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. How do they feel . nko do you get a senseni they thinks congressional authorization assuming nothing else happens . They honestly dont know, just like all of us dont know. ani problem here is just as it was from the beginning and, as the president ,ni when he last friday evening took his little walk around the south lawn with his chief of staff, dennis mcdonough, dennisni mcdonoughni opposed doingco this and when ty went in to the oval office and called other aides in one by one, he told them what he wanted to do and went one by one to them. Everyone if they didnt oppose it outright they at least used their time to lay out why this was anr bad idea. In talking to allco those people almost none of whom have ever faced voters he didnt talk to johnnr kerry, he didnt talk to chuck hagel and i dont think he talked much to joe biden who between them have about 70 years of experience in the congress. Thats remarkable. Xd and by all account this is didnt come up during the previous week when they were involved in it. Then he went up to the residence and called them last fridaynr night. But the Common Thread this through this is that congress ir a wild card. The House Republicans are a wild card. You have an institution where even their own leaders Speaker John Boehner and majority leader ericnr cantor have this year failed to their own surprise to get through their own pet legislation and mutinies on their own side causedni those votes. And so we have a president whos not only has rating than anyn2haime in his presidency but in their own districtni is just hugely unpopularni. This is not from a political standpoint, this is an easy call for House Republicans. Jackie, if henr lose thisnr i hate to exaggerate these things but does he become anni impotent president . Does it affect other issues . It mostni certainly does. The irony is, his entire first term his strong suit was Foreign Policy. So when you have, you know, still slow economy, slow growing and the unemploymentni report, u know,conr stillxd sort of stung stuck, growing but not very fast. So you throw in now his Foreign Policy acumen has been he had you know, since l. B. J. The saying is you got the first year of your term really to get your priorities finished and his first year is almost going to be up. It sort of reminds me of george bush in 2005 when he set out his priority was remaking Social Security and he failed at that just as katrina came and that was a double whammy that at th rose ni handicapped him. Mark halperin, the politics of this are fascinating. Lets start with republicans. It used tox8q inni washington f you have the speaker of the house, you have the majority leader of the house, you hadni e chairman of the House Intelligence Committee m rogers and you had one of theni darlings of the tea party cotton of arkansasnr all sayingo im fornr this you could count on a solid majority in the republican caucus. You cant todand a what are the politics forxd republicans . co if you look at the last week and weve been at this a week now since secretary kerry came outconi,nr almost nothing the we house has done would be in a textbook of how to build anr domestic and internationalni coalition samesex couplenrly te president will speak tuesday night, i expect apac andni maybe some other groups normally notao begin their lobbying effort bus theyrexd fascinate ang extraordinary situation. To me the most fascinatingco is public opinion. Ask any member of congress from anywhere in theco country whatni theyre hearing, not only are they hearing numbers 95 to 5 atnr bestnrni in temples of peoe opposing that action but theyre hearing it unpromptd from people on the street and from people they say they dont normally hear from. Not superpoliticalnr peopleco. Theres something going on right now in the country, theres virulent opposition to any action in syriacpe en though president is not talking about extending co extended engagemt or ground troops. So thats anr big problem moving public opinion. Rose i would just quickly interrupt to say that on friday afternoon john mccain had a town hall meeting and he got clobbered by hisni fellowdp izonans. And thats typical. Im struck by hearing from members who say i cant even think aboutni voting for this nw because my constituents are so opposed to it. So thats one something public opinion. Despite theco leaders in the Republican Party you talk about, the house is a big problem. Most people believe they could get something through the senate but getting enough cooperation between House Republican leaders and Democratic Leaders to do one of those joint whip operations to say leader pelosi cant get as many, we need more republicans to get to 218, that seems very tough right now. I think that the president might be able to get throughni the senate and then may make a decision to say im not going to do the house. Im going to get a senate vote and that will be enough. That may be what he has to do because today, i dont care if youre leader or republican leader, rank and file, you cant fiel anybody whothinks its possible on the hill for him to get it past the house. And just to say finally, i thini without being hyperbolic about it, this is an extraordinary moment for the president politically, his heart niece tho right place, hes approached this like the lawyer he is, hei thought through who what he thinks the right thing to do is and its left him today one week after senator john kerrys impassioned statement, secretary kerrys impassioned statement in a very perilous position because people in the hill in both parties think he has badly, badly mishandled this. My reporting indicates almost everything you said is right with one caveat that is dont underestimate nancy pelosi. She has a way of delivering votes when people think it cant be done and shell have to deliver a whole heck of a lot of votes on this. 100 . Al although she said earlier she didnt plan to whip this, she was going to make this for her caucus a vote of conscience, i agree with you. I think the way this happens the sequence is a vote in the senate that passes may be more robustly than people think now andcthen nancy pelosi delivers almost the entire conference caucus and then aipac and boehner deliver what they need. The problem for the president then politically is that just leads to all back to all the difficulties of what is the mission at that point . What happens if things go badly. What happens if theyre unintended consequences . That doesnt end the political problems for president and its a big lift even if notice decides im going to get the president 90 of the caucus. I think mark makes a good point that when the push is on for the senate the votes may appear. The other point i wanted to make and its related is if youre the looking at this spectacle of a weak president unable to deliver either at home orar against ira, that he attack the Iranian Nuclear facilities if he cant get an acceptable deal, that hell follow through with that red line, you have to say the chance of him doing that is significantly less than it was a month or two ago. So i think its more likely people should understand that one consequence of whats happening is its more likely that israel will decide to act unilaterally concluded that the possibility of america acting on its own is much less. Rose and topd that point, remember that when president obama drew this red line and in effect put himself in this box hes been in over whether to intervene in syria, it was in large measure because of israel and the pressure that israel was putting on anymore a reelection year to show that it was willing to strike iran if iran developed a nuclear weapon. And for a long time last year remember, we thought iran was going i mean israel was going to strike iran because they didnt think the president and the United States would follow through and the president drew his red line. One other thing on apec, its not in the time ive been in washington you used to think of apac that had influence on democrats only. This is now a group that has at least as much influence with republicans usually. I think in what youre seeing is a little bit being offset by their hatred of the president of the United States. Mark, lets talk about the politics of 2016. Two of the big players in that Committee Last week were rand paul and marconi rubio. Is it too early to gauge what impact it has and does it affect Hillary Clinton . Well, i think Republican Partys clearly on still on a lot of issues trying to decide what kind of ani party. Is it an activist party . Is it for a strong executive . All the issues are tied up in this. I think while theres been an unusual amount of jockeying amongst the people eyeing a run who are members of congress, this issue is bigger than that. However they end up voting i think as a matter of in the moment analysis of the decisions i think its not going to be a particularly momentous occasion assuming we do get a vote in the senate which i think we will. In terms of secretary clinton, one of the pieces that again we havent talked about that i think will come into play next week is i think were going see the kind of superfriend lobbying that weve seen in the past on some big issuesnr like. This think aa ut nafta when there was events involving former president. I suspect the white house just as theyve waited next week for the president to speak in part because he was overseas and in part because congress was away, i think youre going to see statements from people like bill and Hillary Clinton, perhaps, former president bush, james baker, other peopleinr who have been low key or not visible at all on this issue and i think shell speak out given her past on this issue pretty forcefullyr the big variable on the democratic and republican side, secretary clinton and rand paul and others is not what is the resolution . Part of the problem theyve had is youve seen a number ofni members jump out against pretty fast without giving deference to their leaders on either side, if it theres a new resolution in the senate, give members a chance to hear from apac, Hillary Clinton and others and say i was against the original thing the president propose bud now i see that as a slightly different i can be for this. Let me ask you quickly. David, what whats your guess as to how this plays out in the next two or three weeks . Assuming theres noni diplomaticninr rabbit that canne pulled out of the hat i think the president is committed to take some kind of actionco. co hes so weak the action may be less than he was contemplating a few years ago. The real problems this shows you what happens when an american president loses credibility. Jackie . I think its going to go right up to the end. I think were going to see one of these votes where theyre switching if it looks like its see ani stampede to vote against it and it will look like a bigger defeat than it might have otherwise been but i cant i still find it hard to believe hes going to lose in the end. ni i must say i agree with you but none of my reporting suggests. I agree. What it may be is jackie we are old school, we dont understand the world has changed. All the factors that mark just mentioned,co they dont hae any impact on the House Republicans. One wild card is the u. N. Inspectors report. The u. N. Inspectors are going to issue a report. It will probably leak before they make it. From everything weve heard from the u. S. Side, that reportnr wil say syria used chemical weapons. And that could be a game changer. One thing we havent mentioned. Children were killed and thats where theco president s heart is and thats where most americans havent focused on yet. I think its possible i was going to say. Youreco right, all the passionn this debate has been with the antis. To win this thing they have to turn that around starting on tuesday. This has been an absolutely fascinating conversation. Mark halperin, Jackie Collins and david ignatius, thank you so much. Thanks, al. Rose conr billy gene king is here,sh won 39 grand slam titles, 12 of them singles. Throughout her career shes used her public platform to champion the cause of equal rights. This coming week she will be the first athlete to be profiled on pbss american masters series. Heres a look at the trailer. as a childni i decided i was going to spend the rest of my life fighting for equal rights and opportunitys for boys and girls, men and women. And i knew tennis would be a platform if i could become number one. Wimbledon champion. Billie jean kings amazing skill is taking her to the womens singles title for the third time. How lucky are we to have had Billie Jean King in tennis . Priceless. When the prize money started appearing it was obvious the men were up here and the women were down here it was totally unfair. She became ourni leader for equal prize money for womens. What we are talking about is aco revolution. There is little more revolutionary than for women to becomeni physically strong. We express exactly what the Womens Movement is about. We sweat, its real. Just being the best we csf be and whatever we want to be. She wants equality for women in everything, not just sport. So it started with womens tennis association. It was vital to be together. We had to be unified, we had to be together to be powerful and have one voice for womens professional tennis. Eventually everybody voted yes there would be an association this is it, this is our moment, this is our opportunity to change the future. Shes carrying theni banner r womens lib, im carrying the male is king no matter what the difference in age and we can beat the girls on our off the court. Its a bunch of bologna. The bobby rigs Billie Jean King match was presented as a battle of the sexes that if he won it would prove that allco women could be defeated by any man. She changed consciousness with that one match. I was just playing for mysel rose im pleased to have Billie Jean King at this table again. Welcome. Thank you for having me, charlie. I love your show so much. Rose thank you, thank you. I love what you have done, not only for equal rights and civil rights but also for tennis. I mean, you have been anr hero when you think about what tennis has become. ni we have a long way to go. We always have to keep working at it. ni tell me where you think wed come in tennis and where you think we have to go. One of the things is its truly a global sport thanks to the brits in the 1800s spreading it around the world. Whether it was soccer rose they had an empire. I had a British Empire class in tennis but i thought about the sports theyve given to us, whether bit cricket or tennis or soccer. We are a global sport now. When i started tennis basically we werent. And its just evolved because it became a professional support is when everything took off and that was 1968. When people talk about open tennis or the open era or modern tennis, it means itni started in 1968 and that was the first time we received prizeni money. And suddenly people who it changed everything. When you where does it have to go . What are the challenges ahead forco tennis to get better . I think when we talk about tennis, when people in the United States ask me why arent we doing better in tennis what they really mean why isnt american tennis doing better . Because its gone to the european players like the federers and nadals, theni djokovics,nr the as rank a. Thank god we haveni serena williams. Thats where its gone, to europeni and. Rose why is that . Well, thats a goodco questi. I dont know. A lot of people will say theyre hungrier than we are but i think there are American Kids that want to be the best, that have fire in the belly. Im going to be very optimistic about that. Its just difficult, too, because its not one of the top two sports in our country. For instance, in a lot of European Countries its the numbertwo sport after soccer whereas were not the numbertwo sport in the United States america. nr rose we dont have the sae number of programs and development projects. We dont have the Critical Mass of children playing and we need to have the Critical Mass of children to come up through the pipeline. co we have an aging population thats played tennis. The u. S. T. A. Knows all about this. The governing body of our sport rose globally the game is okay. At the professional level its fine. In asia now its the place. For instance, the women for the next five years after this year will be playing in singapore. The w. T. A. Just got a new contract for millions and millions of dollars, the women will play in singapore for the next five years. So its a global sport. But as an american i will i mean i think back to the family and martina and jimmy connorsni and myself, casal,nr we had john mcenroe coming in there. Y playing and we were both in the mens akpnr women and weve basically dominated the sport. Its hard on us once we dominated in the 70s and early 80s and we dont know. Thats hard. Rose Sloan Stevens you like i dont like to talk about them too much because i think what happens when they have one or two good matches, you know, everybody makes such a big deal out of them now. Rose and too much is expected too soon. One good match or Something Like vicki duval and everybodys all you know, all flapping around. Theres so much work for thesexd kids. Madison keys is the one that most people think shes top 40 rightnr nowni. Madison is probably the one. Im not coaching day in and day out i always listen to others so thats christina mchale. Rose how about on the mens side . ni were hurting. I mean rose hiser . There. Queries. Jacques faulk a lot of people think is our best betnr. nr were not its the first time an american male hasnt gotten to the fourth found in the u. S. Soapni thats an indicator that were not cutting it so its a really hard its very difficult. Rose do who do you like best among the men . To win . Rose among the men who will be competing at the u. S. Open. By the time we see this it will be i think we have to go to nadal. Hes just playing out of his mind. He has nothing taped around his knees. I always looked at his knees first and theres no tape or anything that i know. His knees are healthy and hes running like the wind. He has become the best hard core player, i think. He used to stand back too far, hes moved forward, he is a great volleyer. He used to be a good volleyer. I would consider him a great volleyer now. Adapted as well as anybody ive ever seen that when i saw him say eight, ten years ago, hes become such a terrific and of course djokovic i adore. Hes great. And iconr love feder whos obviy not in it, anymore. But hes got a lot of great tennis in him. If he still wants to play rose is this a question of heart rather than game . No, i think its a question of age and kids can get better. I retired at 40czo, ive been. What changes as you age . I asked laver this. He said the stroke is the same, its getting to ball. Its not your eyes, its your legs. With me its my legs. Ive had eight knee operations and ive already had probably by the time i was 40 id probably had four or five and in those days they werent as successful as they are nowni and its just youre a half a step short. Strokes still stay the same, your desire still stays the same at least for me. Rose laughs ni and the kids get stronger. Im a big believer in every generation. Rose when people say lets talk about the good old days i say the good old days are ahead of us. Correct, i totally agree with you. Rose when you think about your career, do you know anybody that had more heart than you do . Anybody that wanted to win more than you did . Anybody who was more competitive than you were . No. I dont know. Rose who would be even in the same room with you . Martina . Margaret court, chris evert, marianr bueno, martina navratila steffi graf, they had as much heart. You cant measure its hard to measure. Xd but tennis was secondary to me. Tennis was my platform. Rose social changeco was yoo primary thing. Since i was 12 years old. If you watch the american masters series rose not yet but ill see you. When people see it they will see it says right there i had this epiphany thatnr i decided i want to change thingsninr. The i absolutelyni wanted to chae things when i was 12. Rose what did you want to change . I come fromnr team sports. My younger brother became a major league baseballni player, randy moffat, played 12 years, most of them with the giants. Rose San Francisco giants. San francisco. Not the new york hes a baseball player and he had a good slider, relief pitcher. So i grew up around team sports all my life. When i got into tennis i was sitting there when ini was 12 oe day at the Los Angeles Tennis Club and i started to realize that everybody in tennis wore white shoes, white socks,xd whie skirts, white shirts, played with white balls in those days and everybody who played was white andni the question i asked myself is where is everybody else . And that started my head just going crazy. Not only about my sport which is a tiny universe. Whatever universe youre in, whether it be dance, sports, teaching, whatever, theyre all tiny universes. They seem big to us because were in them but theyre very tiny. Rose what are you proudest about as an agent of change . I think when i played riggs i got very fortunate that we had a platform where its so many millions and millions of people were watching. Theco timing was correct. It was the height of the Womens Movement. Remember, there was only four channels in those days. People forget. No table television. You understand. And then we had no social media like we do and remember title nine was passed june 23, 1972. And this match i was playing bobby riggs was [n 73. And i do not want title nine to be weakened. That was very much on my head and very much i wanted to bring men and women together because everything i thought about as a 12yearold was i wanted to fight for equal rights and opportunities for girls and boys. I think having a brother i didnt think about girls or boys things were different were us. We didntynet called on as much in the classroom, we didnt get the attention. We just didnt. And things are bublging up and starting to readize somethings not quite rightnrni here. Sy thought ant my sport, the reason i doxd World Team Tennis was because of teams. Its coed. The socialization is really important to me. The reason i live new york city is because i play team tennis. People go why do you live here . Im from southern california. I love all the things that new york has wonderful things but so i knew by the time i was 12 that tennis if i were good enough would be my platform to start trying to make these types of things happen. Rose did youni have lot of natural ability . Yes. Rose so you had to step up . My brother and i were rose natural athletes. Lucky. Rose jeans genes and all the rest. We had great parents that kept us grounded. They didnt care if we were good. Whatever we did in life, everything we had and education was important to them. But randy and i had something special. My third grate teacher wrote home about me and randy had mrs. Hunter as well and sheni wrote home about randy im sure. I cant remember. But she owe that i loved keep in in sports, that i loved pressure, i was always the captain of the team and there it is. Thats leadership, all the thingsnr that rose with respect to how you saw gay rights and womens right was it all the same for you or was itnr distinctively different for you in terms of what you had to do . To me theyre the same but circumstances are different and how people perceive things. I was outed rose this is about human freedom for you. About human freedom for boyce and girls under it doesnt matter. No person shoulbi be a secondclass citizen. Rose however you started to say but for me i think for me being outed and not being able to come out on my own terms was very difficult. I do come from a very homophobic family. I grew up homophobic as a child. So i think also in 18981 when i was outed i think im the first athlete who was outed but glen burke from the brooklyn dodgers in the 70s used to talk he was out but nobody ever nobody would talk about it. And im just learning more about glen burke who i think should br celebrated because he lived his life as a gay man but it was very difficult. He was with the dodgers and they offered him 75,000 to get married, for instance, just to hide it. And it was terrible way people treated him. But the media wasnt even ready to talk about in the those days. You know how the baseball writers were very protective until recently and now its hard to protect any privacy but i think i was probably the first athlete to be outed in 1981 and then martina came out rose how did you handle that . I had to fight with my lawyer and publicist that i wanted to have a press conference and they said no, you dont do that. 5 i said i dont care, im going to tell the truth that i had an affair with this woman. And so for 48 hours we argued, they caved in, i flew from l. A. To new york, my former husband larry met me and we went before the media and i told the truth and my lawyer just about died. He just said you dont do that. We had to go to trial and i said we had to keep it narrow because we were going to trial and i said i have to tell the truth. The media has been good to me and people dont probably remember but without the media your story wasnt told. Theyd always been good to me. You know better than anybody you have to keep telling your truth and do the best you can and i just i couldnt my parents brought me up my homophobic parents brought me up to be honest because and to thine own self be true and that came threw. In tend the values my parents gave me was very hard on my mom and dad. My brother was great. Hes like who cares . Randy moffat is my brothers name. And lairly. Larry finally we had to Start Talking about it. ni id been asking for a divorce for years and years and larry never want pad divorce so it was very difficult. He liked you. Loved you. I love larry and i think hes great but thats not the way it was going to work. But his children are my god children. My partner lana, its very nice, its great. But its been a long difficult journey. When you look back, what would you changed, what would you have done differently . How because you are so truthful. What would i have done . I probably. Rose would you have come out early on your own . Oh, i would have come out in a heart beat back then, nonr. In theni 70s i was too afraid from the tour. The 70s were just started. I dont want to hurt the tour. I was just i was paralyzed. I didnt want to hurt anybody so i got paralyzed and i think the way our culture was at the time it bread that those feelings too high and i look back and im just so thankful that its not like that anymore for the young people in are being born today. Rose what do you think of bobby riggs . I love bobby riggs, he was one of my heroes. Thats the reason i beat him because i respected him. You had no doubt that you could beat him . Oh, no, i doubted that. I was scared. Rose because you knew youco had a lot weighing a lot riding on your shoulders . I think people yes, this wasnt about a tennis match. This was about social change and social justice. And bobby had beaten margaret court, people forget about that. And they say oh, thats right, she played that oh, oh, yeah, yeah. And she lost so badly that i was i didnt have a choice. I had to play bobby. But then i realized this was an opportunity for change and i really thought about title nine, how i wanted to start the change the hearts and minds of people. That the right thing to do is have equality rose do you think it might have been good if you had gone into politics and become a politician . A lot of people asked know go in. I think i would have liked plikts, probably. If i were a young girl today, why not be president of the United States . Why not . I think girls need to think dream big and go for it and boys need to dream big and go for it. We need more women in politics. Were not even at 20 in the congress. Its quite pathetic. The c. E. O. Situation very few, we need leadership desperately from women. We needni both genders to be rose not only having a different kind of experience in those role bus because its an i spiring role model for people. It is but you want different cultures. You want both genders because theyre going to come up with better solutions. Rose so what are your crimes now . Im going to be 70. Its 404040 this year. The 40th anniversary of the w. T. A. , the 40th anniversary of equal prize money at the open. The u. S. T. A. , the u. S. Open was the first one to give equal prize money in 73. So thats the 40th Year Anniversary and then riggs is the 40th. Its my 70th birthday in november and i feel like i have one good thing left andnr im going to be working on leadership for women but im going to include men. With team tennis its coed, equal, both boys and girls, men and women. Thats what i want to trld who look. Were in this world together, we have to help each other and champion each other. I will have in this leadership opportunity wherever ill figure it out in the next two or three months that i want to have more men involved. I think we need to have men so much involved to solve these problems for women. Is because men are in power and the powerful supreme to help others to come up, to champion others and men industrial in the most powerful position. I grew up with a strong father and mother, my dad was fantastic to me, i think being growing up with the brother was great. I think him being a professional athlete and i wanted to be professional athlete, it was pretty funny. Not funny is the wrong word but good. Were very close and we talk very truthfully. I think i understand that we need both boys and girls in this leadership. A lot of times leadership thinks they have a few men come in and discuss things. Im not gonna have that same model. Im going to shift it because im it will look like team tennis. If you watch a World Team Tennis match youll see my philosophy. That is it. Its men and women competing on the same team against each other equal contribution by both gender it is way we set up the format and if the trial comes out to watch he and she see this cooperation, sometimes the guys the star, sometimes the womans the support sitting on the bench. Its in basketball how the guys sit on the bench, the girls and the guys around the team . Thats what we do in team tennis. Youre on there, supported and sometimes the girls, the leaders boy or girl can coach. Its like this is the way the world should look. I know its a sport but this is the way the world should look and sports, art, music, all these things are a universal language. Rose tennis is better, equal rights is better, gay rights is better because you have been here. So thank you for doing this. Not finished. Just like youre not finished doing interviews. Rose or anything else. Exactly. Rose american masters will air Billie Jean King on tuesday september 10 at 8 00 p. M. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose Christopher Schroeder is here, he is an internet entrepreneur, a venture investor. He traveled across the middle east and observed what he calls the new hotbed for technology startups, he writes about his experience the regions innovators in a new book called startup rising, the entrepreneurial revolution, remaking the middle east. Im pleased to have him here at this table. Welcome. Its an honor to be here. Rose how did this come about . You went and observed and said theres a story and a narrative i have to tell . Ive been running Tech Companies for a decade, ive outsourced technology all over the world. So it should be no surprise that its happening in the middle east because its in south america and asia and africa now. In 2010 a couple of good friends of mine who have been talking about technology in the arab world for years held an amazing gathering in dubai they called celebration of entrepreneurship and in many respects my going there to speak, my world view changed from before that event and after the event because at tend of the day there were 2 4shgsz00 people from north africa to yemen, nobodycwants to talk about politics, nobody cared about obamas cairo speech. They were there to build things and like any great startup gathering, some thing brs great, some werent so great but their heads were down and i was excited that i extended my trip and went to amman, cairo and i said something very, very big is happening here. Rose and what did you see in other than sort of a lot of people with entrepreneurial ambitions . Its more than ambitions. You see people who are incredibly savvy about technology and thinking about problem solving. Like many emerging markets that come to technology you see entrepreneurs who take things that have worked in the west and they bring them to their home. So in russia and china by do great Search Companies have been powerful. So yahoo bought a company in the middle east. Rose where was that started . In jordan and then it moved to dubai. Rose so when i go we know there are startups in israel. Its become a center for entrepreneurship in the tech sphere this is what surprised me. A lot of people in Silicon Valley say whats going to be the hub of this. As we say, amman is amazing. One of the big stories here is now that technology is everywhere and in so many peoples hands you see hubs of innovation where anybody has access to broad band devices. Amman is extraordinary and the king of jordan has put emphasis there but the fact of the matter is theyve seen some of the best entrepreneurs in cairo, theyre in the gulf, dubai, beirut is a Thriving Center of startup tech and i have to tell you tragicallys have very important some of those remarkable young women and men i saw were in damascus and some of them are still building companies. Rose despite whats going on in syria theyre still there . Its been a mix. Some have stayed there for a long time and one company floored me who would commute to have board meetings across beirut. But the last six months to nine months a lot of moved out. Rose nr where did they goco . Beirut is an obvious hub because thats closest. Due into a big hub but if you talk to them theyre counting the minutes to their ability to go back. Rose its where i was born, where i started . Exactly. Rose it can change the middle east . Every note . The world now. We wouldnt have had that conversation ten years ago anywhere. But when you have access to technology at the scale that its rising right now you see the way everybody else lives you have an ability to collaborate, Work Together and invent subpoena you get to solve problems. And some of those unique ramifications could be global. People ask me what will happen in syria and i dont have that crystal ball but in the next three years there will be people around the world and the ramifications are very significant. Rose what are you seeing in africa . Africa is a wonderful case study as well and we in the states have a proclivity when were talking about africa or the middle east as one thing so in the same way sometimes we think whats happening in syria is the same thing happening in dubai, which is wrong. People look at africa and think whats happening in mall zi whats happening in kenya. What people dontco understand about kenya it is literally the number one mobile payment country on earth. Almost 20 of the entire g. D. P. Of kenya goes through a thing called impesa which is a texting capability to move cash around the country. Rose remarkable stories that i hear from people who for example i. B. M. Executives, lots of other people say watch africa watch africa, watch africa. I dont know whether they say that because the potential is so huge because of the base in terms of the Technology Base is lower or simply they believe that they can already see something so exciting that it makes them get excited themselves. What is interesting is that investors in particular become lemings, well go around something that seems to be right so africa is a thing but its wherever is the thing. The same things that excite people about kenya organ that or nigeria is the same thing thats happening around the world. Because younr can use it to raise money, stay connected and all those things that entrepreneurs need money, Information Knowledge all their at your fingertips. Rose and the capacity to train people in can further their ambitions. Every mobile provider i interviewed for this book told me over the next three years that will be 50 smart phoneco penetration. And we in the states sometimes think smart phones one out of every two people will have a smart phone . Now as you know in many of these countries and africa as well mobile penetration could be 100 . Meaning people have literally more than one device they work on. Rose another phenomena. What isco interesting is that people think thats great. Theyll have sexy phones or better entertainment devices and i saw david stern is going toe merging markets. Rose that thats how hes going to spend his time now. Because he knows everyone will have smart phones which means they can watch video but what people tend to underestimate which Mark Andreessen talks about in the forward of my book is that these are supercomputers. Theyre not just phones. This means broad band computing in the hands of half of humanity in the next decade and when you have access to essentially all the worlds knowledge on our fingertips for free and you connect with anyone for free rose so what can stand in the way of the fruition of all of this . Whats happening is the most obvious. Rose political struggle. R what youre seeing i think in many ways is a battle between 20th century proclivity to hold things top down, to consolidate capital in the hands of few whereas the phenomenon ive describing the bottom up. But because its happening at scale doesnt mean these regimes can not make decisions that can knock them out of a competitive global marketplace. Rose does entrepreneurship and technology and democracy flourish on each other . I can remember this conversation going back into the early 90s when Tiananmen Square happened. I was in Business School and the general thesis was you cannot have a great growth economy if you dont have political stability and democracy. Rose they hadnt heard of state capitalism. The world is a complicated place and as things are coming from bottom up well see interesting counterintuitive results explain to that to me. Democracy in the purest sense as we envision it here is the only way that there can be Economic Growth is not necessarily to think about it. Having said that, ecosystems matter. Your ability to get capital out safely, to have some stability matters and i dont mean to dismiss it out of hand. Is c entrepreneurs, mubarak was still in power, this was happening despite the mubarak ecosystem so its interesting. Rose and some of them fueled the revolution. No question. Im asked quite often did this come from the arab spring and it always surprises me because in point of fact theyre part and parcel of the same thing. People you want your political voice, your social voice, culture voice, of course you want your economic voice. And the arab spring was an idea and what technology did is gave fuel to the idea and allowed it to be heard and resonate and brought in an extraordinary number of people which gave size and influence. Rose which i believe it will do in business in the same way. Rose what do you hope to accomplish by this book . What do you want people to come away with . So i think a way the first thing, particularly for american audience is the same ahha moment i have. Understandably at one level most of just one narrative about the middle east. We were raised on one narrative but the world is changing in a profound way. So for people to stop and breathe and see theres something hopeful happening in parallel within terrible scenario wes know so well will be very important because right now i can tell you many business institutions certainly Nongovernment Organization institutions are almost in a cold war mindset that big aid programs are the only way to make things happen, top down is the only way to make things happen. If you understand what these young people are doing, the opportunities you can coauthor . Totally bottom up and its historic. Rose you mentioned Mark Andreessen wrote the forward here and he tells indeed how hes excited by. This he also says i sure hope schroeder is right. Are you sure youre right. Mark also goes on to say in some ways i certainly am. In terms of the access to technology, in terms of its growing, in terms of the transparency thats created, the fact that now theres over 20 years of experience of investors understandinging the Political Risk in emerging markets these things are winds at the back. But the infrastructure issues you touched on before, not only the political once are very, very serious. Rose rule of law. Rule of law, education. So education is obviously it stunned me, charlie, that they spent unbelieve amounts across the region in education but its on the wrong kind of education, its top down, learning, classroom sizes. Rose which begs the question will any other part of the world whether its the middle east, africa, whether its latin america, will they be any part of the world resistant to the forward march of technology and the power of the internet because of their own culture norms . If it is i havent seen it. Most people ive seen is people adopt technology for their cultural norms. It becomes almost like water, almost like anything in their life. Its something they become. F. Rose mark says you see three portions driving Tech Innovation from unexpected corners of the globe that are taking advantage of that and one is highm technology that offers a level of transparency, connectivity and inexpensive access toco capital and market which is i mentioned. However two decades ofnr experience in navigating emerging market investment made Global Capital more comfortabler with Political Risk and understanding. And thirdly with rapidly increasing access to technology theres large untapped markets of consumers and businesses seeking Software Solutions. If you have people and problems, there are Software Solutions and that develops apps and a whole range of other things. Rose one of the most moving set of entrepreneurs i call in the book are the problem solvers who look at most infrastructure problems as Software Problems to be solved. So i talked about education. If you talk to someone my age or older they say all the bad things ive said before. If you talk to somebody in their 20s theyre like im going create an academy in arabic and im going to have people come and do interesting things to teach themselves. Rose the book is called startup rising. Chris schroeder, forward by Mark Andreessen, subtitled the entrepreneur revolution, remaking the middle east. Thank you. Great to be here. Rose thank you for joining us. See you next time. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org 09 06 13 09 06 13 [captioning made possible by democracy now ] from pacifica, this is democracy now the Intelligence Community in general is focused on getting intelligence anywhere he can by any means possible. They believe they serve the national interest. Expose has been published based on the leaks of edward snowden, revealing the nsa has developed methods to cr