Transcripts For KRCB Charlie Rose 20121221

Welcome to the program. Were in washington for a conversation with al hunt and Julianna Goldman of blockberg news about the events this week, 9 fiscal cliff, questions about gun control, and others. Was talking toome negotiating experts this week as i was work on a story about the relationship between the speaker and the president. And they say that in effective negotiation the person with the leverage needs to let the other party save face. And in this situation the president does hold the cards. He has the leverage and by giving the concessions on medicare, on medicaid, on social security, he would have taken a lot of heat from progressives who were already starting to hear that this week. And they that would have been through the saving face that could have helped john bayne never this. We continue with george stens founder of the Kennedy Center Honors Program and the American Film Institute. President kennedy said i look forward to an america that will not be afraid of grace and bite. I look forward to an american that will honor achievement in the arts, the way we honor achievement in business or state craft. And thats what the Kennedy Center honors are. We conclude this evening with the stars and director of the new film, this is 40. Joining us paul rudd, leslie mann and judd apatow. I think it is a couple that my own onion is tt they love each other and theyre deal well problems that a lot of marriages deal with. And maybe theyre just handling it in the wrong way sometimes. And i think theyre kind of succumbing to the pressures of all of it. Like paul said we kind of share a brain and so we, you know, we have a shorthand with each other, with all of it. And we have i mean were constantly having conversations about what we are about screens and these characters. It is person. We debate all the time how truthful it is, and how personal it is. And some days it is like this is really personal, this isnt like us at all. So we change our opinion moment to moment,. Rose al hunt, Julianna Goldman, george stevens, paul rud, leslie mann and paul apatow when we continue. Funding for charlie rose was provided by the following kohl qol captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose were in washington where fiscal cliff negotiations continue. As we taped this program it is 5 30 p. M. The house of representatives is expected to vote on the republic plan b later it thisvening. House majority leader eric cantor urged democrats to support the bill which extends the bush tax cuts on income over 1 million. We House Republicans are taking concrete actions to avoid the fiscal cliff. Absent a balanced offer from the president , this is our nations best option. And Senate Democrats should take up both of these measures immediately. And the president has a decision to make. He can support these measures or be responsible for reckless spending and the largest tax hike in ameran histy. Rose the white house has pledged to veto plan b as 2012 comes to a close it remains to be seen whether law lakers will rise above partisanship or avert fiscal crisis. Joining me al hunt and july yana goldman. We want to talk about the fiscal cliff. We want to talk about white house appointments. We want to talk about gun control and we want to talk about hearings on capitol hill involving benghazi. But im pleased to have my friend Julianna Goldman and al hunt. And al joins me this evening in recognizing that i didnt have a tie, so he joins me. So thank you, sir. I love the look, charles. Youve been covering the fiscal cliff, where are we . It is a big question, its what white house officials are asking. Its what people on capitol hill are asking. As you mentioned the house is going to be voting on this plan b, the alternate measure that john boehner has proposed. Its likely to pass the house but unlikely to pass the senate. So the white house has threatened that theyre going to veto it regardless if it were to get to the president s desk. The big question is what happens there. And ultimately it still needs to come down to the president and Speaker Boehner getting into a room, this is a deal that only the two of them can hash out. I thought that is what they were doing. You know, theyve actually waited until close to the deadline to start to get into the room, to for the negotiations to be oneonone t was a lesson that they learned back in the summer 2011 when they felt that they alienated members of both of their parties. But one of the Biggest Barriers to getting a deal right now is that there is he nor enormous amount of mistrust between the president and speaker. White house Officials Say at at theast minute what you are seeing again is what happened back in the summer of 2011, that the speaker changes course and he tries something else. And blows it up. They say that maybe hes more concerned about saving his speakership than he is, you know, for whats good of the country and the republican and the house of representatives. And boehners aides dont trust the president either. They dont see him as an effective negotiator and they think he oversells his ability to be able to bring republicans and bring democrat at long. Rose al better wa, do you think . I think the country is out there sang, you know, why dont you clowns get your act together. This really is i think it just infuriates people to see business as usual with something that is this serious. And charlie, what justifies that position, i think is they arent that far apart. Now to be sure a lot of what they do now has to then be really implemented next year. But when you talk about the macro numbers at least, theyre talking about a package now, a little over 2 trillion. Theyve already done a little over one last year. About halfandhalf and on spending, theyre abt 50 billion art,ver 10 years. Over 10 years. And on revenues theyre about 200 billion apart. That shouldnt be hard to bridge. That should be very easy. But i think it goes to what julianna said. There is such a mistrust. And both sides but particularly boehner have to worry about their rank and file. I think obama has gone pretty far. Rose y do . I do. Rose but has he laid out where the spending cuts will be so bayne kerr take that back to his members and say this is what i got in exchange for rates . What he has laid out seswillg to do the socalled costofliving index which he is a big deal. Its 150 billion over the next ten years, 900 billion for the ten years after that its a big deal. And hes also clearly indicated hes willing to do means testing for medicare recipients. Bad news for you and me but its good for the country and good for the budget. So i think that is there is Real Movement there. Hes actually laid out more specifics than boehner has. Really. I was talking to some negotiating experts this week as i was work on a story about the relationship betweethe speaker and the president. And they say that in an effective negotiation the person with the leverage needs to let the other party save face. And in this situation, the president does hold the cards. He has the leverage and by giving the concessions on medicare, on medicaid, on social security, he would have taken a lot of heat from progressive you were already starting to hear that this week and that would have been through the saving face that could have helped john boehner. Why didnt he do that. If he could have given some face to john boehner he could have lived with whatever pressure he had from democrats . I think oama was. Rose thats what he did. And boehner then, and they thought on monday, the white house and democrats thought a deal was almost impresent imminent. They really were optimistic. And that optimism faded in the next 48 hours when plan b came up why didnt john boehner do it . He has to worry about his caucus can. Hes going to be reelected as speaker january 3rd and all it takes is about 20 of the right wing republicans to vote for else. Eric cantor. Yeah, whoever they you dont have to be a member, actually. They could vote for anyone. If he doesnt get 218 hes not speaker. There are those who think he has to wait until that is settled. That is what they say, they say baiferner just cant cross the bridge right now without the support of cantor, mccarthy, the other members of his leadership and that in negotiations what they say is no, we cant go for that because that could cost john the speakership. Heres the problem i think the republicans have. If you just look at the landscape right now, in the election they were vy few clearly drawn issues. One of them was the tax cuts issue. They both discussed it. I think people knew what it was. Secondly if you look at polls it is clear that what most people out there want is the tax proposals that obama is proposing. And they dont want the entitlement cuts. Thats why obama is going further than not only his base but public opinion. And thirdly what really is dramatically different, i think a large part of the business community, the influence, financial people who have been really, really quite down on obama, i think this time they are moreith him than boeer. Dont they have pressure. Cant they apply some pressure on those republicans who they have contributed to their campaign sms. They are trying to but this Republican Party is no longer the party of big business, thats good and thats bad because it means they cant get pressure. And they arent as receptive to pressure. Also over the last few weeks did you hear the Lloyd Blankfeins of the world, other c. E. O. S, walmart, at t saying that as they think as part of a balanced deal ultimately rates need to go up. And so boehner at least one of the, one of the points of optimistic that democrats and white use offials point to over the last week is that boehner did go up on rates. Rose i talked to the chancellor of the exchequer last night on the program. And he said, you know, Bowles Simpson is a pretty good plan. Im not sure why they dont use that as their model. It is. And they were getting fairly close to that, with one or two important caveats with what i think was the latest obama offer. They then worked a few more compromises. The thing about Bowles Simpson is it really proposes several options. One of which is to cut rates and broaden the basement now you have to do that next year. Tax return, jim baker the most skillful treasury secretary took him two years with people like bill bradley and dan ross ten you couldski, that takes a long time. But they can at least adopt those numbers right now. And i really think they were close. And they may be close again. But right now its just a turnoff. Rose this country has been going through enormous mourning for what happened to 20 young people in flutown, connecticut. Has it changed anything here . Specifically i want to get to the gundebate but generalla sense of, look, weve got to pull together on some things here. Weve got to get beyond our dysfunction. I think people feel differently about this one than most of the other terrible tragedies weve seen. With the little children, the awfulness of it. Whether that endures. Whether that really means there will be action on im not sure, charlie. But i do think there is more of a shock. There is more of a sense. And youalk to rublins and democrats. And i think that one thing that i think the president did skillfully was putting joe biden in charge of doing something about this. Because biden understands these issues. Hes been the chairman of the judiciary committee. He understands its not just guns. Thats a big part of it. But its also hollywood, video games, cultural issues. And youve got to have cops. And i think what they are going to look for, republicans and cops and race car drivers and athletes and people like that. Rose weigh in on the debate. Yeah. Rose somebody said to me that the interesting thing isthat the police are always in favor of gun control. Sheriffs are less so because they have to face the electorate. I think thats true. And certainly big city cops are almost universally for some kind of gun control. And the owner of this network, Michael Bloomberg will be as forceful as anyone in advancing this cause. And look, i think the high watermark for any gun control or any gun activity is right after a terrible tragedy. Never hathat been more tr tha tday. And then the other side gets in and you get not weeds and it gets harder. If you asked tonight ten of the wisest people know, are we going over the fiscal cliff, what would they say . Ten informed opinions. Yes. Yes. Albert. Same question. Yes, short term. Short term. You know, my guess is a month from today it will be resolved but it will not be resolved on january 1. We had an election and the president said elections make a difference. They certainly make a difference in terms of who gets what job. The president has not said hes going to nominate anyone as we speak. We thought he was going to nominate susan rice although he never did. And never confirmed that he was. She had to withdraw because of benghazi incident. We had some conversation about chuck hagel as secretary of defense, president hasnt said yea or nay. We know that he likes him. When the senators were reasonably close we know that john kerry maybe the secretary of state. Before we talk about them, talk about the secretary of state who has the office today. She is in washington. She did not testify because she fell and had a concussion. Is this a subject of great conversation here about whats happened to hillary . Opinions yes. Great conversation, great conjecture, not much knowledge. But a feeling that you know, that she may be sicker than they have officially let on. I dont know what that means, charlie. I dont know if that is a shortterm situation or not. But this is clearly something that is more than just, you know, a flu and a concussion testimony may be just the aftereffects of all that. D shell be finen aeek or so. But theres a lot of talk about that. Obviously shes one of the most compelling figures in america. Thats part of it. But you and i both know another part of it is too, that she is, right now today if you went to any bookie she would be the prohibitive favorite to be the next president of the united states. A lot can change in four years, that is where it would be today. What dow hear . I wouldnt say that any of my sourcing is any better than als. So okay. But what about, kerry is going to be nominated. White house aidee confirm that kerry is the choice. Of all the names it that you just mentioned and appointments, kerry seems to be the one thats most assured for secretary of state. I dont think the president has made a decision yet for secretary of defense although hagel is a leading contender for that. Senator from nebraska. Yes. And who endorsed the president back in 2008 as well. And then youve got the treasury secretary. A lot of that hinges on fiscal cliff, jack lew, his current chief of staff. Former budget director is the leading candidate but we also heard this week that the c. E. O. Of American Express is in the running as well for treasury secretary or maybe to come in as an expanded role as a commerce secretary. Thats a department that theyve wanted to bring a Business Leader there. Or as some other top official in the economic team. What dow hear . Same thing. I would probably put roger altman in the treasury mix too. But those are the same names that im hearing too. And the interesting new one which s a story that hans and julianna brohis week was ken chin all which would be an interesting choice if he were chosen for anything. Rose i want to close with this. Charlie, let me say one thing. Theyre out on a limb with hagel right now. If they back down on hagel bhaus at the floated his name. If they back down on hagel after they backed down on susan rice, maybe that was the wise thing to do, but when dow it twice in a row, that suggests weakness. Rose so they cant back down. I think they would have problems if they backed down. Rose and the question comes from what, his attitude about israel. The theyo cons dont like him in geral, some is israel, some iran, some other stuff. Rose i want to close this with this question. So the president won this election. It looked like a Brilliant Campaign run by his team. He comes to washington knowing that he will not run for Public Office again. Is he changed . Is he different . Is he, what does he say in you interviewed him, first intersince the election . He seemed kind of tired in that interview. I think he always, for him going to hawaii on that situation is always an opportunity for him to sit back, to write, to reflect, to really think about the next step. Youve seen it every year of the presidency. And i think that that, if he can get to hawaii, if hes not bogged down by the fiscal cliff, i think those are questions that he is going to be asking himself. One thing i heard that i thought was just, i hated to read it because i hate to think of politics that way although i know the reality of it is that the president helped me on those, basically said a lot of people opposing the fiscal cliff negotiations because they just dont like me. Some of this, some of what goes on in thi tn ese days is more personalized than it used to be. So i think there is an element of that. But you know that was also true for george w. Bush. So it does transcend that kind of rancor that kind of pain transforms live, i think one of the interesting tests for whether the president is changed or not is how much does he want how much does he want to deal with politician. He doesnt really like spending a lot of time with politicians and im sorry, that is what the business is about. They just had a screening of lincoln at the white house. And thats all about how president deals with politicians. And how he trades a howe gotiates and how he has to do a whole lot of things with people that he doesnt necessarily like to get what he wants. But there is also an element of hubris in the white house in thinking well, it worked for us the past four years. Weve won reelectionment and maybe they dont need to change things. But certainly whether or not he does is going to have major implications for what his secretary term looks like. We be well advised to look at that film that dharlie eluded to because that was lincoln after reelection. You know, and he accomplished an extraordinary amount in those few months. Thank you. Great to see you. Thank you. Thank you, julianna. Well be right back. Stay with us. George stevens junior was just 11 years old when he first attend the Academy Awards in 194 nowt 80 he is receiving an honorary oscar of his own for lifetime of contribution to film. Even founder of the American Film Institute in 1967. In 1978, he created the Kennedy Center honors. They have since become one of the most important celebrations of American Culture. George stevens jury is also a director, writer and a producer his friend warren competie has said of him quote one would be hard pressed to find someone who has done more to further the artistic stature of american film than george. Mi pleased to have him on this program to talk about a remarkable life in which we try to reflect on what he has done for art and also for film. Thank you for coming. Pleasure, charlie. Rose it was so great to be at the Kennedy Center honors on sunday night. Right. Rose because i knew, i didnt know when you were coming back to washington, you know. When did you arrive back . Well, i was at e rehearsal on saturday afternoon at 3 00. I had decided that i would stop complaining about peoples Carbon Footprint and i accepted someones offer to send a plane. Rose yes. And i flew out at 3 00, landed in los angeles at 5 30 and went to the dinner. And sydney poitier present immediate with the oscar. And at 11 30 we were wheels up and i was on the Kennedy Center stage at 9 in the morning. Rose oh boy. D th thatightou got thisward, you walked out with your son who is now work with you on this. Yes, that made it possible. Rose what did it mean for sydney poitier to give new Lifetime Achievement . Well, sydney i think is really one of the great figures, not just in the performing arts but as a man. And. Rose he defines class and elegance and integrity. Yeah. And its an amazing story how he, you know, growing up so poor in the bahamas, and becoming this symbol of the best in american life. So to receive it from sydney was veryoving. Rose i want to talk about people who influenced you on your life. Tell me about your faefer who you made a documentary about. I was blessed with a great father. Rose yeah. And which was not the norm. Sons of famous fathers in hollywood were not always going to have the best outcome. And he for your audience, he made gungadin and shane and a place in the sun, and giant and the diary of ann frank and swingtime. Rose about as good a list as it is. I think so. Rose and in world war ii ma so incredible footage of the fighting in kbot wars. Exactly. I mean he left, he was 36 years old. He didnt have to go in the army. And he asked for a commission. And he headed up the combat Motion Picture photography for the war in europe, dday, the liberation of paris, the liberation of daukau. And i worked with him. I worked with him on shane i worked with him on giant to a certain extent. I was his associate producer and directed the locati sces f the diery of ann frank. And speaking of men tors, my father was the principal one. And i learned so much from him. Not just craft but ideas and then ed murrow asked me to come back. Rose before that, so are you there working with your father. Are you working with the great directors. I assume your clear intent was to become a director at that moment. It was. It was. And programs somewhere deep in my mind i was think do i want to spendy entire life tryi to become the secondbest film direct never my family. But very much. And i was directing Alfred Hitchcock and peter gunn and Television Series out there i really loved it. Rose and then there is a meeting, ed war r murrow is in los angeles, jack kennedy, president kennedy had made him head of u. S. Information agency, usia i guess. Correct. And hes there and he requests a meeting with you and he wants you to come to washington. Yeah. Rose and you say no. He asked me. And i said ive really am nolike my fathers partner. And he is just beginning the greatest story ever told. A very ambitious film. And i said as enticing an offer, opportunity as this is, i really cant do it. And a couple of days later i was at the studio. I will never forget dad and pri walking across the fox lot to lunch. And murrow came up, and you know, so i told him and he just looked at me and he said you have to do it. He understood that this was my kind chance t fly. And de it at considerable sacrifice because it made it. Rose difficult for him to do what he was doing. Yeah. Rose he understood it was important for to you find your legs somewhere else. So when i say he was a great father, that perhaps expresses it. Rose then you were off to washington and you never left washington. No, well, we have a place in los angeles. Rose i know but washington is where you are based. Yeah. Rose and you made documentaries too. But did you find the kind of satisfaction for documentars that would you have found making feature films . I did. You know, ive been able to do so many things. And washington gave me a different perspective. I also made, wrote and directed a miniseries on brown versus the board of education. Rose absolutely. In which sydney poitier ayed Thurgood Marshall and Burt Lancaster played john w davis. So. Rose two opposing counsels on the argument. Exactly, in the supreme court. So you know, ivead the oppounit to do really the Creative Things that i want to do. And i had just i can did produce from my friend Terrence Malick the james jones film, thin red line. Rose so the Kennedy Center honors which is as i suggested one of the great events in washington, and then seen on cbs on december 26th. This partnership has worked well. But it is something that i think people aspire to. Its likthe president ial metal of freedom in a certain way. It is to honor people for contribution beyond sort of the obvious metals that they get. Its different than the oscar. Its for life. Right. And its their country honoring them. When i started the American Film Institute our sofs offices were in the Kennedy Center and on the 10th anniversary of afi we go an event, we had a white house reception, president carter and then an event at the operahouse at the Kennedy Center celebrating film. And the fix day i went down to thank roger stevens, no relation, who was chairman of the Kennedy Center, for letting us use the place. And i said you know, you have to have your own deal here. You ought to and he said, he had a way of talking. He said dow have any i. D. S . Age so i we, i gave him the idea and it is just as it is today, that we honor five people in the performing arts for their contribution to American Culture and that excellence be the primary criterion. And its inspired, really, by the words marble on the Kennedy Center that come from a speech president kennedy made at amhurst on herring robert frost in 1962, i believe. Rose he famously read from one of his poems at the inauguration when it was so cold. Right, yes. But president kennedy said i look forward to an american that will not be afraid of grace and beauty. I look forward to an american that will honor achievement in the arts the way we honor achievement in business or state craft. And thats what the Kennedy Center honors are. The building is his memorial. So it is in that spirit. And of course, the nice things that happened in life today and for the last nine years, i believe,arone kennedy has been the host of the Kennedy Center honors. Rose succeeding walter cronkite. Yes. The wonderful walter cronkite. Rose lets return to afi. Why did you create that and what was its purpose . That came out of the creation of the National Endowment for the arts. Rose right. And i was in washington working for murrow when that legislation was this during president kennedys time, was crafted. And when it was written it listed opera, dance, music, all the as. It did not list film. And i wrote to senator humphrey whom hi come to know a little bit, and said this is the Great American art form that should be included. And he included it. And then when the legislation was passed, they knew what to do with dance, music. But nobody quite knew you cant give a grant to warner brothers. So the idea of the American Film Institute emerged. And i agreed to start it. Rose yeah. Arthur schlessinger and others said that fill some really, you know, our unique contribution to the worldment and we only add to the body of work in terms of literature and music. But in this case, this is something that america made a monumental contribution to. Right. Rose when you look at what film means to america, to the world, how would you characterize it . Well, gosh, its well fromne standpoint it is shown the world what america was particularly back in world war ii when people didnt travel as much and people hadnt seen americans. And when they. Rose they saw america through movies. Right. Rose an when the gis were going through france, they looked like gary cooper and Jimmy Stewart and henry fonda. And so it has a tremendous influence around the world. Rose what have you not done that you might have wanted to do . Gosh, ive, y kno i thk ive done i continue and love doing what i do. As you know, i had a chance to write a play awhile back about Thurgood Marshall and i had that on broadway. And when what i find is i live, i think what you can call a creative life. If i dont come up with an idea, nothings going to happen. Rose but you also have management responsibility also. Right. But that certainly in the world of film, you know, its always been the challenge of gat filmmakers that they not only have to have that artistic vision. But they have to be generals who can command troops. Rose i means thats exactly what directors are, they most often have been identified as more like generals than anything else because of all the things that su have to do. Right. Rose . And there was a theory that prevailed for a long time that women could not or should not be film directors because they had to be generals. Well, now we have many female geralbutalso were having. Rose captain won the oscar last year, now has a new movie that everybody is looking for. Absolutely. And no reason that i woman cant command the set and you know, get the film completed as well as a man. Rose you have many friends on the west coast too, in los angeles. I do. Rose from every aspect. I mentioned war wren warren beattie. I loved the kennedy honors when Jack Nicholson got it first and i wondered how that went over because theyre friends and share thanksgiving and other things. And difficult live that far fromach otr. Yeah. And then warren was the guy who introdusd jacks tribute. Right. Rose and then the next year, was it the next year . I think it was the next year, three years. Rose jack introduced warren. Yes. And jack was, of course, well, you know, its interesting. They really are and have been great friends and collaborators. Rose warren once told me a story that when he met jack, he then called him up and said listen, you and i will have to get to know each oerecaeere gointo b frien for a long time. I just know. So lets have lunch. Yeah, well, you know, one of the joys of my profession, first of all, was that the associations i have had, you know from my fathers time with really, i woon say that the great figures but the people, the admired figures in film. You know, the great directors, frank capra and fred cinnamon and william wiler and david and of course the acters. But then kind of coming into the Kennedy Center honors world, that my, you know, yoyo ma and all the people in dance and music and creative people are. Rose are what . Wonderful, theyre great to be with. You know that. Rose so whats on your agenda now. My son michael and i who is one of the wletions of my life is that michael is an excellent writer, director and producer. Work together in the Kennedy Center honors. You can be you can be sure that his contribution to the led zeppelin segment outdistance mine. Rose if he wrote that, you tell him he has my highest respect because i thought it was brilliantly written. Sdechlt and he conceived that ending with stairway to heaven. And robert plant told me that they were loving this tribute, but we were kind of dreading. We know stairway to heaven is coming because he has seen it done so badly. And this eatmt wh the choir and strings, they really loved it. But were making it a feature length documentary about her block. Rose oh yes, are you doing that now. The great cartoonist for the washington post. Five time Pulitzer Prize winner. And one of the really great journalists in addition to cartoons. So were excited about that. Rose the president is standing, is up in the audience with the first lady. This president has been every year, has he not . Yes. Only on two occasions was the president not present. Rose any president not present. Yeah. Rose and you see the artists surrounding the president. And then you see, which i think belies the notion that was suggested in a fun way, that this was David Lettermans worst night because he hated this kind of thing. Rose right. For himself. Rose right. But you looked up there and that and you say a man who was loving the moment, 4r06ing being able to reach other and Say Something to the people that he was sitting next to him. Yeah. Rose and you thought my god, if this doesnt make you happy, what will . Yeah, yes. And for people who have, you know, worked so hard over a long period of time, to have the country recognize them, you know, i think thats a very valuable thing. Rose that and to see people who are still at it too. Each of those artists are still performing, in every case. Yeah. Rose and dustin is now direct a new film. Yes. Dustin, the film on dustin, i, of course, have known and admired him for a long time. But mew in th film came together you just realized what by seeing those different roles all in a four minute span, that you know, 15 seconds of the night cowboy goes to your heart, just extraordinary. And then the little piece of the rainman that he was, he did make the idea of the character actor as leading man. Rose thats the theme of the tribute. Yes, yeah. Rose thank you for coming. Charlie, thank you. Rose pleasure. Back in a moment. Stay with us. S oscar wildee once said life imitates art far more than art imitates life. For writer and director judd apatow his life and art have become practically one and the same. He explored the universal themes of sex, love and death. Using humor and personal experience, and often his own family in the films. Here is a look. What a that guy robyn is marrying is such a good guy. He sounds like a good guy. Oh, i hated himor like two years because he on me but oh, hes really changed now. Hes a really good guy now. Hes looked like your computer has chicken pox. Those are sex offenders. These people live in our neighborhood. Well, skip their houses when we are trick or treeingt. What dow want me to did, form a pose. I got my lynching rope. You shouldnt take it so lightly. I dont take it lightly. You know, im not going go to these peoples house and say hey, can you babysit. If i didnt care about these things, you wouldnt care about anything. Why dow care, you just met him. Shut up. You shut up. Guy, guise, george is to the going to die. George . He was sick. But he went to the doctor and they gave him different types of medicine until they found one that worked. And now hes going to be just fine. He is going to live a really, really long time. Well, you know, we all love him. s made a lot of grea movies. I think she loves him like love, love, love, love, love, love. Theyre goog have a baby. Theyre going to have a baby. Baby, marriage, love. Rose for his late these is 40, apatow turns his lens to marriage, parenting and the realities of middle age. Here is the trailer. This sounds horrible but dow ever wojder what it would be like if you and your wife were separated by something bigger like death, like her death. I have give ten a fair amount of thought. No hitn a paful way but just like a gentle floating off. Its got to be peaceful. I mean stht moth mother of your children and the new wife would be great. I cant wait to meet my second wichlt i hope she likes me better than this one. What are you doing . You have been in here for like 20 minutes. Stop treating me like a child. Stop it. This is a bunch of bs. Are you acting like a b. Youre so mean since your body got weird. Isnt the Music Industry kind of a toughame these days i have responsibilities. I cant afford to sit in my apartment getting baked watching porn and going tomorrowie chili burgers at 3 in the morning. That is not even the order that that happens in. Why does it is a 38 and not 40. Because your mom wants to be 38. Lets not mention it again. It doesnt seem like our lives should be this much work. If your son insults pie daughter again you will be so sorry. You touched my nipple. I got right below your shoulder. I have very high nipples. Were going to blink and be 90. What . We have to make a choice and make things different. Hey, buddy. You should stop letting your god make you feel guilty. I cant lend you any more money. Your mother want you aborted. Oh, jesus christ. Dont let 40 hit you like its 40. Are those real. Yeah. Im just young. Why do we fight . Wince dont know. You get so mad at me. Like you want to kill you. I do want to kill. How would you do it. I would poison your cupcakes that you pretend not to e every day. I would eny r last few months oingt but while killing you. He loves you because youre the fire. One person in a relationship is you know, i brought us a magic cookie. I dont feel anything, dow. I think this room has rodents. I just saw it. My star fish where did i put my star fish. Shes laughing as much as you are. Rose welcome, great to ha you. Thank you lz also hear paul rud and lessie man who also stars in its film and just happens to be his wife this is a sequel. Sort of sequel. Rose what does sort of mean . Well, you remember there was mary tyler moore. Rose yeah. And then you got roda, or cheers, then there was frasier. Rose yeah. Its a spinoff. Rose a spinoff more than a sequel. Were lou grant, that is who we are. Rose you were minor characters in the knocked up. Uhhuh. Rose and now you graduated to be the front and center. Front and center. Re what is itstory line well, it is about pete and debbie, five or six years after knocked up. Rose yeah. And the basic con seat is they are spinning a lot of plates. We notice that all of our friends are trying to be, you know, good spouses, good parents, take care of their family, take care of their health, deal with like the world and that everyone has no time and is having a nervous breakdown. So this is the week they both turn 40 and assess how it is going. Rose and decide they have to do a lot of kpeferz and change their lifestyles so they can be forever young. And then everything falls a part. Rose this is New York Times, how about this. Thiss november8th. Family business, judd app a foe puts his life, his wife and children on the screen. The set of a judd apatow movie can sometimes feel like a Day Care Center for children and adults alike. What is with you . What is with me . Rose you just want them around you all the time . You just love the idea of yeah, this is kind of as simple as that. I mean i love less yee an my children. I love you, paul. Judd is actually in the process of legally a dopingt me. Rose dow look forward to being a son. Look, i have no control over it. I have been fighting it. Hes halfway through the paperwork. Rose in fact, you like the same ackers too, dont you. I mean its very rare that you find people that are you in sync with, and so you know, when i met paul, we just, you know, felt the same way about a lot of things. Hit same sense of humor. And so its always fun to work with people, and you dont get to hang out with him unless you are work together, so thats part of it. Rose define what a judd apatow movie is. Well, i think its ultimately a comedy with very, i think. Rose observations on life. I think its kind of these are comedies that could actually work as dramas. I mean they are serious stories in dealing with serious things. However, in a funny way. Rose dow feel like, lessie, that everything you do hes watching and he might use in a movie . I feel like everybody he everything he does were going put into a movie. So it goes both ways. We do it to each other. Rose tell me more about the characters here. We will see the first clip abouits fa that ss noready turn 40. But who are these two characters . Well, pete owns a record can. Its kind of a retro label. Hes putting out all the artists he liked in the 70s and 8 0s. Rose but not doing so well. Its not working at all. And debbie owns a Clothing Store and shes pretty sure that one of her employees just stole 12,000. So you know, theyre a middleclass family on the brink of going bankrupt and trying to keep everything fresh. Rose and about to be 40. And turning 40. Rose and their fathers are as interesting as their might. Thats right. Albert brooks plays petes dad. And pieces onof tho people who had he tried to have one kid when he was in his 60s. And it turned out he had three. He had three kid its. He had an in vitro gone terribly right. And john lithgow is debbies father. Who started another family after abandoning us. Es a he a little more focused on the new family. Rose roll tape, look at this. You need to get outside more, do some playing outside. Yeah. You can build things you could build a fort outde. What . Yeah, build a fort. Play with your friends and make a fort, outside . And do what . Have little. Rose do what in the fort. When i was a kid we used to build tree houses and play about sticks. Nobody plays with sticks. You and charlotte can have a lemonade stand. Play kick the can. Look for dead bodies withness thats fun to do. Get a tire and take a stick and run with it. Nobody does that crap, its 2012. You dont nee technology. N technology. Put that down. Continuing with the New York Times piece which i found interesting, spread across the Playing Field all of the components of most of apatows life, aspiration, obsession, anxieties, trusted collaborators artistic heroes and even his relatives. As a result when universal releases this on december 2 1st it will be the most personal film he has ever made or made to date. Not only a movie that steer as way from the wild and unsettled single men of his earlie efforts like 409yearold virgin but also one he created in close collaboration with his wife who stars along with his daughters. It ithemost personal. It is personal. I mean we debate all the time how truthful it is and how personal it is some days are like this is really personal. Other days are like this isnt like us at all so we change our opinion moment to moment. But the story isnt true. But its about a lot of our anxieties and obligations, i think. So you know it starts out with me having an idea for a movie. And i will talk to leslie about it. Rose is she the first conversation you have about a movie . Yes, yes. Rose shes living the life. Yes, and then she will tell me what she thinks of. And basically we pitch scene ideas back and forth based on things we are liking and having trouble with each other which becomes kind of a coded discussion about each other. So i will say dont you think we should have like a scene where debbie agrees that shes controlling. And then shell say do you think we should have a scene where pete admits to being kind of a dick. Rose are you serious s that the way it goes in. Its like a hostile aggressive creative debate over many years. But in the end we get a lanced poi of ew fm pete and debbie. That both of them are equally right and wrong. Rose thats you what see in the movie. Every time she says something about him, he points the same thing about her. Yeah. I think that is what people do in their relationship is you always want to keep it on the other persons problem. Rose what is wrong with this marriage . In the movie or theirs . Rose i wouldnt go there. That is another show. Well, i think its a couple that, my own opinion, is that they love each other and theyre dealing with problems that a lot of marriages deal with. And maybe theyre just handling it in the wrong way sometimes. I think theyre kind of succumbing to the pressures of all of it. It is a sea of bad kpun case. Rose sea of bad communication. That people, you know, we all know how we are supposed to talk to each other, to be kind, that we are supposed to do deep listening. We are supposed to use a mess ages. And but when something makes you mad sometimes youre just fight or flight kicks in and you just say everything you have stored up that you are mad about. And i find that funny. Why do we fight . I don know t makeno nse. It makes no sense. And you get so mad at me. Oh pie god. Like you want to kill me. I do want to kill you. How would you do it . I dont know, i would poison you. I would poison your cupcakes that you pretend not to eat every day and just put enough in to just slowly weaken you. I love it. I would enjoy our last few months together. Me too. Because you would be so weak and like sweet and coy take care of you. But while killing you. See, you know what i love about us . You can still surprise me. I figured for sure he would knock me out withneell swp but youould extend it over a series of months. Have you ever thought about killing me. Oh, yeah. Really . Sure. How would you do it. Wood chipper. A wood chipper. Yeah. A wood chipper. Yeah. Wow. I know, did you see fargo. Yeah. Rose now do you think that people watch in and laugh but also theres a ting of recognition . And thats why these movies are so successful, youre getting at something with a sense of humor. They say to us that they think we have a video camera in their house and that weve been watching them. People seem to relate to it. I know literally hundreds of couples that have contemplating using a wood chipper. Is that your line or his line. I dont remember. Rose how much adlib do you allow, how much do you allow them to go off script. We go into rehearsals as soon as i write a very bad first draft so because we know were making the movie together its a different process. So six months before we shoot, well go in a room and read all the scenes outloud and that is whene will play and discover things. And that is when paul will say you got to do the scene where they talk about how they wish their wives were dead. And say that is great. Im glad you came up with it and not me. Put it on me. Ive outed him so hard on that joke, the whole tour. Rose how much do you want to put yourself in. Well, not enough to do it i mean i find that its paul is very charismatic. Better looking than me. Theyre like the shape of his body hair is attractive. Its funnier than me. Peopleike him more than people like me. So i think of my bad a trirbts and pauls good attributes. Rose are you going to take this, you know, through in other words, it is going to be a series of adventures of a couple as they go through life. Were going go michael every seven years. I dont know. Well see if life seem as musing enough. Rose are these easy lines for you . Because of the way he writes . You kow i think bause work togeer now so many times, we can share a little bit of a brain. I feel like i love the way he writes. And i think we approach it all from the same point of view. And then he also allows for like he said opening it up and letting us, you know, play around with it. So i think the way he actually approaches filmmaking is something that i enjoy. And i love working with him. And with you too. Thank you. Absolutely. Charlie, youre great. Rose but i dont act. I want to bring in Albert Brooks too, look at this, where pete asks his dad played by Albert Brooks y have three kid. Why would you have three kids anyway, are you 60 years old, you have no money. Because claire wanted a baby. If we didnt at least try she would have left me. She was 45 years old. Nobody thought it would take. The doctor when we were doing in vitro was winking at me like dont worry, dont worry. So im very unlucky. And now we have these three betifuchilen. Rose when you are watching him write this, have you been with him so that you anticipate where hes going . With. Uhhuh, i would say so. I, like paul said, we kind of share a brain. And so we, you know, we have a shorthand with each other with all of it. You know, and we have, i mean were constantly having conversations about what what were, you know b sces and knees characters and y know, yeah, so its. Rose an ever growing beast. But you think of scenes before you think of script, dont if you. Yeah t starts with like hundreds of scene ideas so lessie and i will notice that our daughter watched the entire series. And that seems hike a bad thing. Its too fast. And shes crying a lot. And shes disturbed. But its a scene. I will just write down ma watches lost really fast. And then there is a sequence where lesley goes out dancing with megan fox. Leie wl say once i was out with my friends, an entire hockey team hit on us. And it is nice to know that you are still attractive in and that is kind of an emotional thing and in addition to being funny maybe we should do Something Like that so i will write that on a card and at some point i have hundreds of cards and have to figure out what fits. Take a look this is the last scene where pete and barrie played by robert watch desi, megan fox in the pool. Here it is. O so thats the girl who works, that is the girl who works for you. Yeah, thats her. Work seems nice. My wife would never let me have a like that. Yeah. Every woman without works for us looks like theyve been in some kind of hornl sdont. Are you comfortable with that around your huts . Oh, he wouldnt know what to do with that. You think our wifes are looking at us right now. Oh, definitely. He would look like a pedophile. Rose this is 40, opens in theatres on friday, december 2 1st. Thats right. Rose that is like this friday. That is the date the world ends so see the matinee before you go, great to see you again. Good to see you again. Rose thank you, leslie, pleasure. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Funding for charlie rose has been provided by the cocacola company, supporting this Program Since 2002. And American Express, additional fding provided by these funders