Witness. He was a man not willing to settle. You joined us. Athe legacy of Martin Luther king is coming up now. And by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Tavis we are joined by the director of the king institute. I guess today officially concludes the festivities that have been going on for weeks. What is your sense for how martin has been treated . I think it has been great. I think that represents that Martin Luther kings legacy lives on into the 21st century. We have a problem where the majority do not have passports. Not get out and see the world. See inside looking out. When one does travel around the world, give me some sense of how is regardedr king around the world. You have asked the right question. He is a world figure. He is a symbol for social justice around the world. Outsidein a similar way the United StatesMartin Luther as ais viewed not just black leader. They recognize he is a symbol for human rights, social justice, and everyone is familiar with i have a dream. They see his dream as symbolic of their own dreams. I am not naive asking this. Resonatednd why it been and why it resonates now. Why it resonated then and why it resonates now. I get that, but why is it that we tend tohe on that be on weond half tend to know the second half and not the first half . That we tend to know the second half and not the first half . It has to do with the idea. Martin luther king was talking about the idea of the declaration of independence. I look at him as carrying on a conversation with Thomas Jefferson. You can see the memorials, and that was purposeful. The idea was saying each are trying to decide what is going to be the fate of american democracy. Is it going to live up to that ideal of equality . At the time Thomas Jefferson had slaves. It has been the function of africanamerican orators to ofnt out the hypocrisy having an idea and not living up to it. I am a regular reader of , and even then they sometimes do things that are off the mark. My heart leapt for joy when i saw the cover. The words they use on the cover founding father. Believe it makes a difference. Then Time Magazine puts you on the cover and says founding father. All americans will recognize the importance of understanding that movement was not simply a movement that affected african americans. I think that limits him to say he was a black civil rights leader. What he was concerned about was bringing about that ideal for everyone. All lives in america have been changed. How subversive would kings message be today were he here . Suggests to me his message would be a bit too much tond handle right now. You could say the same thing about jesus. In a way when you have a it is hard toer, live up to that vision, and i think that is what king challenges us to do. He did not start when the Voting Rights act passed the right good he could have retired Voting Rights act passed. He could have retired, but instead he went to memphis in 1968. He was taking on the vietnam war. This was a person who understood his mission stood for more than itting legislation passed. Is our responsibility to understand if he were here he would still close that gap l and reality,ea because we still have not made that ideal reality for many parts of the country. In every library i have the entire collection of skiing g papers. Kin there is no better anthology of atk about what dr. King said stanford. Dr. Carsons latest book is called martins dream. Onnk you for your work keeping the legacy alive. Coming up a conversation with two of the three remaining children. We will talk about that in a moment. Stay with us. We return with his youngest bernice a. Everend king. With herng responsibilities as a minister, she is also the ceo of the king center in atlanta. She has been in washington for all the events and joins us tonight from washington. Good to have you on this program. Sense of how you have felt throughout these honoring the event and your father. You always want the person back with you. In that vein it has been exciting, because it speaks to of thenitude contribution he made that we are here looking at and talking about that time that was so and able to andbrate the progress recognize we have so much to do. Thoughtsat are your about your mother and your for thist being around celebration . And foremost my father talked about his four little children. There are only three of us left. That void is very much felt. I say all the time Martin Luther king is different from the Martin Luther king today, and i to my mother, whose tireless efforts to keep his legacy alive, and perhaps we celebrating,n be because it was 1983, and every five years there was an so iersary remembrance, think about her, because we are here in many respects, and she cannot forget the tremendous contributions, and we cannot forget there is so much work to. O that was the crux of where he was before he was assassinated. Mention the work that has yet to be done, dr. King organized the ringing of bells. Give me some sense of what you believe your mission is now to continue that agenda. We are in the state of urgency and emergency. When you think about what is pening in inners ada innercity communities, baltimore, even the District Of Columbia and atlanta, there is to really elevate to the sense that nonviolence is an thing we must embrace. My mission is to continue to so those seeds and teach the next generation, because usually we dont see a change in trajectory impact the next generation. That is what my focus will continue to be. What do you make of the fact that on the streets across this citytry often in the inner streets that bear your name, we hear about some violence that happens in l. A. And around the country. Disconnect,t the but not a lot has been said about this notion of nonviolence. Talk about this notion of nonviolence and why that has gone to the wayside. To me it is very real. I think if we do not embrace it we are going to be in serious trouble. Us whore too many of have not understood what brought about all those changes in our policy was the and if wenonviolence, are going to see those kinds of changes, we have to continue that, but more importantly, we have to find a way to go into our schools and even our churches. We have got to find a way to translate this into the language of the next generation so they. Eel connected we started a camp called nonviolence opportunities watch. It was inspired by what happened martin, so i said, why dont we connect young being on the notion of a nonviolent opportunity watch so they watch for opportunities to employ nonviolence. We train them in these steps of nonviolence, not just in the sense of the neighborhood incident, but how they with one another, how they work through their differences, how they resolve asferent issues personally well as socially. I think it is incumbent upon all this messageslate to the next generation. Tois i am going to talk your brother in just a minute. Ier the belovedrl community. Just say a brief word about love. Me we are talking about unconditional love. Is the ability to see and another person their spirit. It is the ability to understand we have a lot in common in our , that i have the capacity to love you in spite. F i do not let my emotions get in the way. I understand that connectedness. Bernice king, the youngest of his children. The work continues. Good to have you on. Tonight. For your time coming up next, a conversation with her brother Martin Luther martin three luther king iii. Stay with us. King iii is the oldest of the children. He was not yet six when his father delivered the i have a dream speech. He is the author of a new book for young people called my dr. Martin luther king, junior. Organizers ofthe the march this past saturday. He joins us from washington, taking a break from signing books with his baby daughter. To have you on the program. Thanks for your time. Before i get to the ongoing tell me about what the message is. There are a lot of books written about that the elegy, the leadership of Martin Luther was unior, but i written about the legacy, the leadership of Martin Luther. Ing, junior there was an example where someone gave us way gun for guns for, toy christmas, and back then we could incinerate our own trash. We burn them up against we did up believe in burn them because we did not believe in guns in our house. Thes since you raised point of your being one of the children Martin Luther king reference when he said he wants children to be judged not by the color of the skin but by the content of their character. Do you feel judged by your character . That was his dream for you. I would like to say sure. Many timesam judged by my character, but the reality for the vast majority of people of color that we judge them by the color of their skin and not by the content of their character. That is what happened to trayvon martin. He was profiled as someone who tried to break into the community and was tragically killed. We have made great strides, but we have a long way to go before. E are able to judge people i asked how she was doing celebrations. In theerenced yolanda march this saturday. Your daughter was named after , no longer with us. What do you make of the fact that 50 years later your father is being regarded in the way he is . When he died he was not the beloved martin. Could never have imagined there would be a statue in his honor. What do you make of that 50 years later . Heroes and sur heroes are no longer able to speed, we live them up. Able to speak, we lift them up. When people talk about the speech, we do not talk about the check that came back with insufficient funds. Even today that check is revolving around our nation, and when you look at the fact that in africanamerican communities, Unemployment Rate started as low as 18 or 20 and go up as high as 40 . That is a remedy for disaster. We have abandoned our young people in society. If we do not address that our society cannot continue to survive. We cannot have one percent of the population consuming 40 of the wealth. Redistribution, and that is probably what got him killed, because people did not understand what it meant. Redistributing so more people could take part in the process. People say you have to have so much for the economy to work. Why . A more folks you have working the more people will be able to pay taxes. The more taxes, the more goods and services can be provided for allpeople, but we have these notions that seem to be contradictory. What i am able to know unequivocally is that martin s dream is junior not realized, and if anyone believes it is, they are badly mistaken. Does not mean provident progress has not been made, but we have a lot more to do. I heard said earlier this week that the eradication of poverty is what we need to see. Militarism at epic levels. Dad would be concerned about the fact we are using drones to get but we are killing innocent people. He would be concerned about the that every night some black person is being killed by a gun. What do you need an assault weapon for . We have got a lot of work to do. Hopefully out of what we have experienced today with the president as well as others who have been here for this experience, today was a commemoration. Saturday we did a continuation. The struggle is not over. We must become a better society. Your mom and dad and grandparents are smiling down on you and all the work you are doing to keep this legacy alive. Something you might want to get for your precious ones at home. I love you. Always have a great time talking to you. Thanks for putting us on the list. I am delighted to have you on the program. Thank you for bringing to life all that you do. That is it for tonight from los angeles. As always, keep the faith. For more information on todays show, visit tavis smiley at pbs. Org. For jazze next time botti. Er, chris thats next time. We will see you then. And by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. You. Thank you. 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