Tavis it has taken a backseat to the bloodshed in cairo. Here to discuss john kerrys role as a piece worker is tohael oren, the ambassador the u. S. The show is good to be here. Your talk to me about thoughts, the chaos in egypt. We have had peace with egypt for close to 35 years. It is essential for israel and egypts security. For stability throughout the entire region. We and israel certainly have been interested in peace, stability, and interest. We will not get involved and how the egyptians should run we want security and peace to be stored there. Crucial for us and for the region. He was democratically elected, and when a significant number of people did not like the direction theyre going, the and, it moves the country in a direction that the military doesnt like. To get intot going change,e of how they but israel has an interesting. We have long said and then proud of the fact that we are the only democracy in the middle east. We would be happier and prouder democracy in the middle east. Tavis does this mean egypt is heading in that direction . We are very proud of being that democracy and we want to be surrounded by democratic nations. Historically, democracies dont get into conflict with one another. Tavis what does concern you about this crisis in egypt. Of the nature of the Peace Agreement between us and the egyptians. It has been a cornerstone for more than three decades. I know we are going to talk about that in a bid. It serves as the first grade Peace Agreement between israel and a major arab neighbor. Preservingning and that peace is a paramount concern and of paramount israeli interests. Tavis how tenuous is that agreement. Even as recently as last november, fighting through the terrorists, egypt played a even during role morsi. We expect egypt to play that positive role. About some are concerned the destabilization of the entire region. You have concerns about that . Prettyhe region is unstable right now. It has taken the lives of 100,000 syrians. That is a high degree of instability, even by middle eastern standards. Israel is a strong country, we can defend ourselves, but we wish for the people that live around us to enjoy the same freedoms. And for their children to have the same opportunities that might children have. Does this crisis put the Peace Process on the back burner . We are certainly and diminished in our commitment to achieve peace with our neighbors. We are working in order to reanimate the peace negotiations between israel and the leaders of the palestinian authority. Without preconditions anywhere. The Prime Minister says he is willing to meet. Theyre willing to meet with them today. For two tuesdays people, a jewish state of israel living side by side with the palestinian state. Tavis what do you say to jews in this country, speaking of preconditions, that believe the preconditions for a twostate solution has to be the issue of settlement and israel needs to approach this problem a bit differently . We understand the settlement issue is a course of frustration, it is one of many issues that are controversial. We recognize the Palestinian People as a people and out with the right of selfdetermination. No palestinian state will ever say to states for two people. They dont recognize the jewish people and out with that same right. We dont expect the palestinians to give us the recognition of fraud, but it will be part of the negotiation. We understand that we will address the settlement issue within the broad context of borders, territory, and security wants to direct negotiations began. That is our position, but also the position of president obama. Of folks think that president obama put this on the back burner, there is that phrase again, after an initial effort in the first term. We recall George Mitchell in the first administration, and Nothing Happened with that. , not a lotpped aside happened after that. Reasons,ver reason or john kerry has jumped in and to try to make something happen here. How do you grade the Obama Administration about the seriousness between these talks . Think they are totally committed for the search. Thereatly appreciate president goes the effort, secretary of state hillary clinton, and we appreciate all their efforts and we view them as partners in the search for historic peace. During the first term, the administration tried a certain way to get the peace. We froze settlement construction for 10 months. Hillary clinton called it unprecedented and it was to give the palestinians back to the negotiating table. They did not avail themselves of that opportunity. Since then, they have not been able to return to the negotiating table. The secretary kerry has very intensely fought to get them back to the table. All the core issues, these are tough tory easy. We believe we can address all of those issues and reach a creative solution. No diminishing on the part of the administration. Has beentary of state very committed. Tavis let me ask if theyre the right people at the table. You can only make peace between enemies. Have the right participants. Netanyahu has made the official policy the tostate solution. Positionis official and remains publicly committed to it. Committed to moving swiftly toward that solution. Abbas, we hopet for that. This is in the fall several years ago. Are my partner for peace. Basedan fulfill his role on two states for two peoples. Tavis i had the honor to talk to you a number of times every year tenure, the israeli ambassador to the west. Aold later this year that youre stepping aside from this position. Thank you for the access you have given us to you over your tenure at all the best in the coming months and years. This has been a great privilege and honor of my life. Tavis good to have you on, ambassador. Up next, a fascinating story about the sugar hill gang and their story. Tavis its a lesson that too many musicians have learned the hard way. Onesided contracts have rendered accomplishments completely moot. The group formally known as sugar hill gang found that out and they dont have the right to call themselves by the name they made famous, wonder mike and master hill, their first hit rappers delight open the door for the mainstream success of wrath. Also rap. Also, big bank hank, it is the subject of a powerful new documentary called i want my name back. We will look at a clip from this film and how the managers that their money. A 7998, a corvette stingray. I believe the ferrari was a 77. The writ of the corvette and his mother bought him an slc as a graduation gift. The money is being spent by them, but the artists didnt have anything. The cars got repossessed. I was sleeping on this ladys. Ouch, tavis why is this a story told over and over again . There are so many groups this has happened to end it seems that for so many of these people, the lesson is never learned. Because it is so engaging. All this glamour is thrown at you, lets take you to dinner. All this is happening at one time, smoke and mirrors designed to keep you from thinking about the Business Aspect of it. The music business. A lot of times, you dont get the Business Aspects first. Tavis how do you learn that . You dont. About thend excited opportunity to be involved with the process. I wasnton to florida, really looking into the business side of it. You, isame question for am curious what your sense is, given that this happened, why has that happened to the sugar hill gang . Each artist has a disposition, a certain character. Your looking for a little love. We like the applause, we like the cheyenne. Shine. But it is not enough. People that are artists, they want their art to get out. Once is appreciated, it seems to unfortunately be enough. But you have to take care of your business in this around yourself with good counsel. Tavis i wonder, as you look back on it, if there was something that you could have done differently, that is pretty obvious, but the question is whether or not at that time you even knew better to have made different decisions. Going back in my mind a long time about that situation. The one thing that i could have done was then a little bit more patient. I was so anxious. We had already recorded. The track is done, lets get it out. I should have been more patient. Happen fromings to the back end of it. From all all this love over the world. Ive always wanted to do this ever since i saw a hard days night when i was a little kid. I have got to do that for a living. That is not enough. Success doesnt mean they have made it. Not the end of the road. You can be taken advantage of. Tavis what ways were you taken advantage of . The documentary explores this, but give us a sense. Merchandising. They were using our likeness. We were not explained the death of publishing. It has gone on to get to the point now where we were watching, and i watched from afar. They performed over the world, actually saying that we were trying to raise my legacy from the world. The guy that created the situation, the individual telling the world that he is master g. Most insidious part of it all. Toys,uld put out plush greeting cards, and balloons. You hear the music and movies. But to go out and commit identity fraud, saying that someone else is master g. Who does that . That is beyond ridiculous. Tavis what do you make of the impact you had on the genre . If there is a song that has been sampled and sampled at sample. Never get used to it because we both have our heroes. Position whereat people come after the show or even in the street, i first bought that record. It means so much to me. Away from the scene, i am the brother or the sun or the boy friend. We never get tired of the genuine love of the families. It is all good. I am really a private person so that is kind of crazy that as private as i am, exposed individuals, to have people treat us like that, it is a natural for me. Of thewhat do you make rap game today . Can sugar hill get off of the crowd today . It would be tough. We were the first rap stars. There is a lot of competition and a lot of stuff you have to navigate through. We could still do it because i have faith and mike and myself. Tavis in this environment . From the lyrical standpoint . Wise,e set up, age demographics, yes. The reason why is because together, we are phenomenal. 95 of those songs, we wrote most of those together. Those are reflection of who we were and what we felt was going on at the time. I believe that we would still do it. We would never come from a misogynist to point of view or advocate violence. Their goal your sales. Thats what im asking people want to have a good time. If it sounds good and feels good. Live, socialore to relevance. I think that we would segway because we sound good and we know how to write songs and put it out there. Tavis you are a businessman. Music away from the i went into direct marketing and was extremely successful. It was my saving grace that helped me go to the process of what happened as a kid. That is the foundation of what ive got. I learned about business and management. Fortunately, i was able to go through my life. The artistink of formerly known as prince, back in the day, you guys are formally the sugar hill gang. Q. You have a chance to perform . Absolutely. Are you kidding . Do you get tired of performing . No. Throw your hands in the air thats what we grew up on. You see it in the doc. , that clubs, the basement in front of 30,000 people. He is on the drums, the band is on keyboards. It feel alloes these years later when you are on stage and Everybody Knows every word . Its phenomenal. We can turn the mics down and watch. They will sing the song. Theyll correct you. You messed up on that one [laughter] tavis im glad have you guys on. Sue me. Stay come on. I dont want to taunt nobody. I want my name back you can get it everywhere. Tavis i want to see you on the stage this summer. We will make sure you come. Tavis that is our show for tonight. Thanks for watching and as always, keep the faith. For more information on todays show, visit tavis smiley at pbs. Org. Tavis join me next time for a conversation with jimmy connors, next time, i will see you then. There is a saying that dr. King had, there is always the right time to do the right thing. I just tried to live my life everyday by doing the right thing. We know that we are only about half with a completely eliminate hunger and we have work to do. Walmart committed 2 billion to fighting under in the u. S. As we work together, we can stamp under out. Contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. Be hello and welcome. Im becca. This week, behind me you can see the famous hangar one. Youve no doubt noticed it as you have passed by on highway 101. Its so large you can fit three ships the size of the titanic inside. Built in the 1930s for the uss macon, an airship and could hold two blimps. Well talk more about it in a bit. An well also meet some local aviators who also made history. The only woman to win an air medal in world war ii. A Tuskegee Airmen and the pilot that ditched his airliner on the hudson to save