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Woodruff it is a call to overhaul immigration. President trump endorsed today new legislation from republican senators david perdue of georgia and tom cotton of arkansas, that would cut in half the number of people allowed in the nation legally, marking a profound shift in policies that have been in place for half a century. For decades, the United States has operated a very low skilled immigration system, issuing record numbers of green cards to low wage immigrants. And is has not been fair to our people, to our citizens, our workers. Woodruff the president s Senior Adviser, stephen miller, fiercely defended the policy change at a White House Briefing today. This is a reality thats happening in our country. Maybe its time we had compassion, glenn, for American Workers. President trump has met with American Workers whove been replaced by foreign workers. And ask them how this is affecting their lives. Woodruff with us now to explain the proposed legislation is alan gomez, reporter for usa today who covers immigration. He joins me now from miami. Alan welcome back to the program. So how does this proposal differ from current law . Basically, what this proposal would do is completely upend the way that the u. S. Accepts immigrants. Right now, about 63 of green cards that are given to foreigners are given based on their family ties. In other words, they have somebody here in the u. S. That sponsors them, and theyre able to get that green card. What they want to do, what President Trump and senators cotton and purdue are proposing is switching to a system more like canada, where its more based on their economic contributions and how they can contribute to the economy of the country. In canada its the complete opposite. About 67 of the green cards given there are based on those economic ties. So they want to implement a pointsbased system, where we rank wouldbe immigrants based on their education, their technical experience, their job experience, and make our immigration system more focused on what they can do for this country rather than just having family tieing. Trevor and practically what, would the changes be. Practically, it would be incredibly its hard to overestimate just what a drastic change this would be. So right now, if youre a u. S. Citizen, you can sponsor your children, your spouse, your parents, your grandparents, your grandchildren, your cousins, your brothers, your sisters. What this program what this proposal would do would limit it to only your spouse and only your minor children. So that would drastically reduce your opportunities to bring your relatives into the United States. And again, on the economics, so all those folks could still be eligible to come in, but they would have to pass that test. They would have to go through that screening process that examines their ability to contribute immediately to the u. S. Economy and favors people with higher educations, with ph. D. S, with masters degrees and those kinds. What are the prospectes of this becoming law . Not very good. Senator cotton introduced this bill back in february. It hasnt even gotten a committee hearing. And we heard opposition today from immigrants, from democrats, and even some republicans who thought it went too far. Alan gomez with usa today. We thank you. Thank you. Woodruff in the days other news, researchers have successfully repaired a diseasecausing gene in human embryos, a scientific first in the u. S. The embryos were never implanted, but the breakthrough is a step toward preventing a list of inherited diseases. The Research Team targeted a heart defect best known for killing young athletes. Well explore the scientific and ethical ramifications of the development, after the news summary. President trump has signed a bill into law that imposing new sanctions on russia, but he made clear his distaste for the legislation. It punishes moscow for its 2016 election meddling, and sanctions iran and north korea. In a statement, mr. Trump said that the bill is seriously flawed, particularly because it encroaches on the executive branchs authority to negotiate. He said he signed it for the sake of national unity. Well examine how the move impacts the president s relationship with congress, later in the program. The white house is knocking down news reports the Justice Department is considering lawsuits against colleges over affirmative action. Citing an internal document, the New York Times said the d. O. J. Was taking steps to investigate and sue universities over policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants. But at the white house, press secretary Sarah Huckabee sanders dismissed the story. The New York Times article is based entirely on uncorroborated inferences from a leaked internal personnel posting, in violation of department of justice policy. And while the white house does not confirm or deny the existence of potential investigations, the department of justice will always review credible allegations of discrimination on the basis of any race. Woodruff the Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled race can be used as a factor in determining college acceptance. Two u. S. Service members were killed in an attack on a nato convoy in afghanistan today. The talibanclaimed suicide bombing happened near the Southern City of kandahar. A local official said a suicide bomber drove a car full of explosives into the convoy. The pentagon gave no information on the number of troops wounded. The Trump Administration has told congress it has all the Legal Authority it needs to battle the Islamic State group in iraq and syria. It says the law passed after 9 11 to counter alqaeda is sufficient for the antiisis fight. Some lawmakers say it should be revised. It comes the same day secretary of state Rex Tillerson and defense secretary james mattis were on capitol hill, briefing senators on isis. It was a milestone day on wall street. The Dow Jones Industrial average closed above 22,000 points for the first time, thanks to strong earnings by tech giant apple. In all, the dow gained 52 points to close at 22,016. The nasdaq fell a fraction of a point, and the s p 500 added one. Theres word that turnout numbers in venezulas election for an allpowerful constituent assembly were manipulated. A company that helped with countrys Voting Technology says official estimates that eight Million People participated in the vote are off by at least a million. The head of the countrys oppositioncontrolled National Assembly said the legislature will call for an investigation. translated the National Assembly is changing its agenda so that the main point of discussion becomes this fraud. What has happened in venezuela is not only a fraud, it was a crime that starts at the top of the electoral system, who read a report knowing that the results they were reading were absolutely fraudulent. Woodruff the freshlyelected body is expected to hand embattled president Nicolas Maduro sweeping new powers. President trumps claims about a pair of phone calls are coming under question. Mexicos government says president Enrique Pena Nieto did not phone mr. Trump to compliment his immigration policies, as he said monday. And, the boy scouts denied that its leaders called mr. Trump to praise his recent speech before the group. In fact, the chief scout executive apologized for the political rhetoric in the president s remarks. And, britains Prince Philip stepped away from public life today. The 96yearold, who has done more than 22,000 public engagements, made what officials are calling his last solo public appearance, greeting Royal Marines at buckingham palace. But the u. K. Hasnt seen the last of the duke of edinburgh he will still accompany Queen Elizabeth from time to time. Still to come on the newshour a breakthrough in gene editing; the scientific and ethical implications. The tug of war between congress and the white house. Efforts to stop superbugs in their tracks. And, much more. Woodruff now, more on that breakthrough in research announced today. The first time that a human embryo has been successfully edited in the u. S. To correct an inherited condition. The milestone could open the way for future treatments, but it also crosses a line that many have opposed. Hari sreenivasan has more from our new york studios. Sreenivasan the work was done with a technology known as crispr. Essentially, a team of scientists snipped out the gene that causes a Heart Disease known as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Researchers at Oregon Health and Sciences University showed they could erase the mutation not just from the d. N. A. Of the embryos, but also made sure the disease would not be passed on to future generations. Thats known as germline editing, and theres been a major debate about whether that could lead to genetic engineering going too far. Researchers point out its not ready for clinical use. Yet it could lead one day to treating some inherited diseases. We examine the breakthrough with jessica berg, dean of the Case Western Reserve Law School and professor of bioethics. Thanks for joining us. Tell us, how significant of a breakthrough is this thats just been published . So in one sense, it is simply the continuation of a line of research which weve been doing for a while about the use of crispr in genetic editing in a variety of settings. In another sense, it was a pretty significant advance. So this was the first study that avoided two fairly significant concerns that wed seen in earlier studies. One of theme them was that the g didnt always hit just the spot you wanted to edit. So, of course, you might be concerned that you changed other part of the genetic code. And the other being that you couldnt necessarily get every cell to take up the edit you were trying to achieve. Both of those things are important before you move to a clinical setting. Sreenivasan so they addressed both of those in this particular experiment. This study was successful in not having either of those two things happen. Sreenivasan okay, so, who stands to benefit the most here . I mean, in this particular case, we are talking about a heart condition. But could this be applied to the 10,000 different diseases that are on a single gene somewhere . So, in theory, this could be applied to any kind of a singlegene dell fect. You know, so certainly, this would be, you know, an important thing, an important advance for any kind of a clinical trying trooil that youd like to do correcting a singlegene problem. Sreenivasan now, thats where kind of if you can modify a single gene, i think people are going to be concerned, could you mott modify it not just to get rid of the bugs, but to add features if there were, say, eye colors or freckles . Most of the rest of the stuff is much, much harder. Very few things that we code for genetically, that we think of designing or change regular things that are controlled by one gene. Most of them have many genes involved and have gene environment interactions. So were pretty far away from being able to do anything where you pick and choose the characteristics to add in. The other concern is this was designed specifically to look at a problem part corrode code, remove the problem part, and insert the correct part. Inserting Something Else on top so, for example, not taking Something Else out or trying to take Something Else out thats correctly coded could lead to all sorts of, problems and wed be very, very cautious before wed want to try anything like that. Sreenivasan one of the big concerns here was that this is not just editing the genes of the specific individual but that this could change the inherited trait that goes on generation after generation. I mean, the National Academy of sciences met earlier this year and said we really should reserve this for the absolutely most serious and important conditions, right . Yes, and i think part of that concern is we dont know yet all of the implications of what were trying to do. So in those situations you might want to be cautious and only change things that affect one generation. On the other hand, if youre thinking from a clinical standpoint, the idea that youd have to correct the same genetic defect in each subsequent generation, or, for example, that anybody choosing to have children knowing they could potentially pass on the genetic flaw might say, well, if you can cure this, why not cure it through all generations in . Sreenivasan right, so what are the ethical concerns here . So the ethical concerns relate at various levels. On the first level, if you have concerns about the use of an embryo in a Research Setting, you will be concerned about this type of research. The embryos in question will be destroyed, discarded, or stored indefinitely, and for this somepeople that alone will be a reason to be very concerned. The other concerns raise read going to be ho how do you get ts from a Research Setting to a clinical setting . As soon as you start to move forward, you involve other entities. So to actually have this result in the birth of a baby without the genetic flaw, youve got to implant this in a woman. As soon as you do that, youre doing research with pregnant women. What are you going to do when things go wrong . What are you going to do if the developing fetus does not develop normally . Thats going to raise a variety of other ethical questions. And then theres the very interesting question about what happens after the babys born . Is this just theyve signed up for a Research Trial for life, since weve got to follow the child to see what else is going to happen . Sreenivasan these are all pretty big and important questions and im sure people will be tackling for quite some time. Jessica berg from case western reserve university, thanks for joining us. Sure, thanks so much for inviting me. Woodruff now to what appears to be a growing tug of war between the white house and capitol hill. Today, we saw the divides highlighted on two fronts health care, and sanctions against russia. For a closer look at both, were joined by our own Lisa Desjardins and nick schifrin. And we become both of. So, lisa, to you first. There does seem to be bipartisanship break out gee, thats right, the death of a partisanled has led to the birth of bipartisanship in both came bers. In the the house, we saw a group of 40 members, called the problem solvers caucus, propose a Health Care Compromise to stabilize the markets, essentially add more funds, but also limit the mandate on employers so fewer businesses would actually have to pay for insurance for their employees. Thats the house. On the senate side, judy, the entire ball game rests with senator Lamar Alexander of tennessee, the chairman of the health committee, and his democratic ranking member, patty murray. Talked to both of their staffs today. The efforts on both sides, judy, are narrowly tailored on stabilization. Woodruff if they were not to agree what would that mean for these Insurance Markets and for the cost of premiums . Thats right, for all of us, and especially those on the individual market. We got some new data yesterday from the department of health and human services. Lets look at states that might get hit the hardest by increasing premiums. This is what insurers are forecasting they would have to do increase premiums by 30 in these five states, judy. Notice what they have in common, they were won by President Trump. These are red states. Thats the high end, but most states expect premium increases, for example, 12 in new york. Its something that say concern. Woodruff to get to, i guess, the politics of this, how much of these premium increases are due to the Affordable Care act, which is what republicans argue, and how much is due to the instability of the markets and so forth, which is what the democrats are saying . This is the conversation and it centers around the insurance subsidies, the 7 billion this year that insurers are counting on getting. Good policies or not, theyre expecting it. But President Trump hasnt yet said if he will let that money go all the way through for next year. That creates risk, and some people say thats why these im prooemium increasecreases arein. Lets hear from senator john cornyn. He said republicans have nothing to do with premium increases. The idea that premiums are going to go up 30 next year unless something changes is a product of the failure of obamacare. Its nothing that this administration has gone d. N. A. Or will do that has caused that. And that flies in the face, though, judy of what weve heard from states. Lets go to idaho. The republican director of insurance put out this statement exactly saying the opposite that is the subsidys. That is why they have at least some of the premium problem in that state. Woodruff quickly, where is this headed . Right. There is a huge divide between it looks like senators, republican senators who want to fund these insurance subsidies and a president who hasnt declared what hes going to do but who senators i talked to today very nervous that he may not fund these subsidies. Woodruff and well see how many days are left for congress to be around and then well find out how they work this out. So, while were talking about a division here, nick, to Foreign Affairs, theres also a split that burst into the open today taid when it came to these russia sanctions. Whats going on with regard to that . Yeah, this is the first major Foreign Affairs legislation passed by the congress, and not only was it passed over the president s objections but it was also passed as a way to handcuff the president s ability to lift sanctions on russia. No president is going to like that inspect that sense this is part of a centuriesold tugofwar between legislative and executive branches over who controls foreign policy. And President Trump released an initial statement this morning that really speaks to that history. He said, my administration will give careful and respectful consideration to the preferences expressed by the congress, and will implement them in a manner consistent with the president s Constitutional Authority to conduct Foreign Relations. And the congressional staffers i spoke to today said that is language that president s obama and bush could have used, a president trying to keep control over foreign policy. Woodruff but he went further,s you and i were discussed, and he issued a second statement, much more personal. Oh, yes. This is a president who has a book called the art of the deal, who thinks he is the best deal maker and does not Want Congress to impede that. And the second statement he released simultaneously did go more personal toward congress. He said, congress could not even negotiate a Health Care Bill after seven years of talking. I built a truly Great Company with many billions of dollars. That is a big part of the reason i was elected. As president , i can make far better deals with Foreign Countries than congress can. On the hill you have some initial shrugs today. A democratic staffer told me, can you quote me rolling my eyes in . Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman bob corker said, it doesnt matter to me what the president s statement says. And thats tha accept theiment was actually taken a lot further by russia in its response. Prime medvedev said that trump was, weak and had been outwitted and humiliated by congress. Which just goes to show, judy, that its not just america that is watching this tugofwar between the president and congress. Woodruff ouch, ouch. So divisions over domestic and foreign. Thank you both very much. Nick schriffrin, Lisa Desjardins. Woodruff stay with us. Coming up on the newshour an interior Department Official helping alaskan natives with Climate Change speaks out. And, rightwing activists forcing refugees to turn back in the middle of the mediterranean sea. But first, we are beginning a special series on the growing concerns around antibiotics. Why there is more resistance to the drugs, from socalled superbugs that can be dangerous and even fatal, and why it has been difficult to create a newer class of drugs to solve this problem. It is a story that involves the worlds of science, medicine, business and economics. So we asked our science and economics correspondents, miles obrien and paul solman, to team up. Their coverage will continue over the next couple of weeks. We start with miles report, part of our weekly series on the leading edge of science and technology. Every sunday night, i put up the pills for a week at a time. Reporter 30 times a day. Amlodipine, thats a Blood Pressure medicine. Reporter each and every day. Prednisone for rejection. Reporter . Jane tecce takes a pill. This is hydralazine, thats another Blood Pressure medicine. Reporter no complaints from her shes just grateful to be alive. Im grateful. I wouldnt have gotten to see my grandkids being born and, you know, just see life. So you sacrifice things and so thats how i look at it. Its a tradeoff. Reporter in 2011, after years of battling a rare genetic disease, jane received the heart and kidney of an 18yearold man at Tufts Medical Center in boston. Her daily pill regimen is designed to stop her body from rejecting the organs, but it was another drug, an antibiotic, that fueled an infection that nearly killed her. A month after her transplants, she contracted pneumonia. They put me back in and i was very sick. I knew i wasnt doing well at all, and a lot of pain. I had pain as if the ribs were affected and things like that, so they started pumping me through the i. V. With a lot of the antibiotics, and i think that was the beginning. By february, i had been diagnosed with the c. Diff. Reporter c. Diff, or clostridium difficile, is a socalled superbug, meaning a bacteria that is not easily stemmed by antibiotics. In fact, it thrives in people taking the drugs. Each year, superbugs infect more than 2. 25 million americans, killing at least 38,000. The first thing you do is you put on your yellow gown. Reporter at tufts, doctors who come in contact with patients infected with superbugs like c. Diff must take great precautions. As the list of antibiotic resistant bacteria grows, this has become a much more common routine. Hello, im here to do trud. Reporter so have some extraordinary efforts to prevent the spread of infection from patient to patient. Here, they bombard rooms with ultraviolet light, which causes genetic damage to bacteria, rendering them unable to reproduce. Shira doron is the physician director of the Antimicrobial Stewardship Program at tufts. We are seeing patients with infections that cannot be treated by any antibiotic on the market. And were having to tell patients, we dont have anything for you, and so that makes it really scary and really concerning. Reporter antibiotics are organic compounds that attack and kill bacteria. They are often derived from microbes found in soil and from mold. Thats where scottish scientist Alexander Fleming discovered the first true antibiotic, penicillin, in 1928. It, and a host of others developed in the decades that followed, revolutionized medicine. But it was no surprise that these miracle drugs would eventually lose their potency. In fact, when dr. Fleming received the nobel prize, he warned of the danger that the ignorant man may easily underdose himself, and by exposing his microbes to nonlethal quantities of the drug, make them resistant. Doctors began using penicillin to treat patients in 1942. Only three years later, they encountered the first resistant bacteria. Helen boucher is a professor of medicine in the division of Infectious Diseases at tufts. Resistance happens naturally. So, bacteria have various mechanisms to survive. Reporter it is survival of the fittest. Evolution, at warp speed. Bacteria adapt very quickly in the face of the assault. They can learn to strengthen their cell walls to repel the antibiotics. They can develop pumps to expel them. Or they can make enzymes that destroy them. So they figure out ways to evade the effect of the antibiotic. And this happens in nature, and it happens faster in the presence of antibiotics. Reporter you sort of make it sound like bacteria are smart. Theyre very smart. Reporter and they are adapting very fast, creating a Big Public Health crisis. Unfortunately, these bugs mutate faster than we can come up with new drugs. So the only realistic strategy is to use the antibiotics that we have, better. Reporter Kirthana Beaulac is the pharmacist director of the Antimicrobial Stewardship Program at tufts. We met in the Central Pharmacy where they store the vast majority of their medications for patients. Here, they see themselves as a last line of defense. Prescriptions for antibiotics are carefully scrutinized, particularly the drugs that attack a Broad Spectrum of bacteria. It requires constant evaluation of the way we do things, and constant reminders, and really, a critical assessment of everything we do every single day, to really make any headway on this battle. Reporter you sound like youre at war. Yeah, this is. We call it the arms race. Reporter in her laboratory, dr. Boucher and her team are constantly analyzing cultures of bacteria from patients in the hospital, always on the lookout for another mutation, another superbug. So the infection preventionists come to our meetings every day at 11 30. And they are tuned in to be looking for anything, any one case, thats new, that requires them to go do investigation. And thats how we prevent anything from becoming a bigger problem. Reporter the longer bacteria see an antibiotic, the more likely they are to develop resistance. It poses a conundrum for doctors as they weigh the health of an individual patient versus society as a whole. I think there has been a general feeling that its better to err on the side of caution, and that caution equals prescribe. And i am trying to impart the message that caution might actually be not prescribing. Reporter the hunt for new drugs to prescribe is not easy. Scientists say they have already picked the lowhanging fruit new microbes that lead to new antibiotics are no longer easy to find. So, we are running out of antibiotics quickly. Reporter my colleague, paul solman, met with a woman in london who could be the poster child for a post antibiotic world. Eight years ago, emily morris was hospitalized with a e. Coli superbug, the first of eight serious bouts with resistant bacteria. So, i could have had antibiotics when i didnt need them, and also because i had so many. Reporter when she was young, she was prescribed antibiotics frequently because of a hereditary condition that makes her prone to urinary tract infections. I was just very lucky, very lucky that a last resort antibiotic did work. A lot of the time it doesnt work, it kills thousands of people a year. And these superbugs, ive been told, are going to kill more than cancer by 2050. Reporter after we finished shooting, i sat down with paul solman to compare notes. Emilys story, thats a tough one. And i think our heart goes out to her, anybody watching that, thinking, this could happen to any one of us. And as i was shooting the story, i was thinking an awful lot about how close i was getting to these nasty bugs. Were you thinking the same thing . Yeah, im a little hypochondriacal to begin with. I was now becoming germophobic, washing my hands all the time. I mean, seriously. Reporter as a good american, i assumed going into this series that there had to be some kind of Silver Bullet solution that will get us out of this. But, its not as simple as that. The drugs just arent there, are they . You would think theres enormous, essentially insatiable demand for the product, so obviously the market is going to provide it. But, it turns out, its not anywhere that simple and thats what the next installment of this series is about. Reporter all right, well go to the dismal science next time. For the pbs newshour, i am science correspondent miles obrien. And im economics correspondent paul solman. Woodruff President Trumps new chief of staff, john kelly, is just three days on the job, and expectations are already high for him to stop the recent churn at the top in the white house, and mend fences with Congress Following the failure on healthcare. We explore how the administration can bridge these divides, with karine jeanpierre, a veteran of the obama administration. And, Barry Bennett. He was a Senior Advisor to the trump president ial campaign. And welcome to both of you. Thank you for being with us again. General john kelly, hes been on the job three days. Has everything changed . Well, i think three days is not a pattern for donald trump. I think maybe in three weeks, then we can look back to see if john kelly can hold up to his distinguished career and being that general that he is and bringing everything together. But i dont have a lot of confidence in that. Many people have tried. Before john kelly and have failed. And you really just cant change the man by changing staff. It just is not going to work with donald trump. He doesnt want to be managed. He wants to be his own chief of staff, his own communications director, and his own chief counsel. Woodruff what do you see, Barry Bennett . Well, i think that if his mission were to change donald trump that would probably be a failure in the end. I think his mission, though, is to make trump better. Every player needs a coach. This White House Team has needed a coach for six months, frankly. And i hope that he is that good coach that they need an enforcer, systems, rules, processes all matter. And he seems the first three days i know its a short time to judge him, but im pretty excited about those three days. Woodruff well, ther there aa few reports coming out, apparently the door to the oval office open to everybody, or many, is now closed. Theres some discipline there. And were also noticing the president isnt tweeting as mup. Now its only three days. Three days. Woodruff but maybe hes having some effect. We have to see. I mean, three days is pretty low bar. He is the president of the United States, and were were saying, oh, yay, three days. It just doesnt it just hasnt been Donald Trumps pattern. We havent seen that in the past. Theres been many pivots. Even when Reince Priebus came into the office as chief of staff, people thought, oh, theres there goes a pivot. When his family moved into the white house, oh, there goes a pivot. That is going to calm him down, and it never has worked. So well see. Woodruff is there some secret formula that we havent seen staff try or someone try . I mean, Barry Bennett, one of the things that was said about general kelly is hes closer to being a peer of President Trumps. Yeah, yeah. Woodruff hes a general great accomplishments. Woodruff had a great career in the military. You know, i think that the my time in the campaign, if you give him a plan that he buys into, he executes. I just dont think that they were very successful at creating a plan that he was willing to buy into and execute. Woodruff when you say they you mean . The staff. For instance, if i were general kelly and im not, thank goodness but give him some things to tweet about. Have a plan about what happens after you tweet. Heres an idea, tweet the white house switch the congressional switchboard number. Turn the calls on. There are all kinds of things they could be doing that theyre not. And hope that general kelly, you know, orchestrateaise new plan. Woodruff well, meanwhile, careen, what we were talking about earlier with Lisa Desjardins and nick schriffrin, is about the divide between the white house and the congress over some pretty important matters. Lisa was talking about health care, how the president has said just let the Affordable Care act implode. Some in congress are trying to do something to regenerate Health Care Reform. And then nick schriffrin talking about the divide over the russia sanctions, the president hates it. He signed it, but doesnt like it. I think, judy, if you are a republican sitting on the hill in the house or the senate, or if youre a republican sitting in any red state, you would look and expect that you have the control of three branches, that you would be able to get things done, major piecees of legislation. And that just hasnt happened under this white house. So i think thats pretty troubling for republicans and anybody who is following all of this and cares about their country. If youre, you know, in the Republican Party. So that is troubling. And, also, on the bipartisanship, i think its great. I think its a great start for them to try and figure out a solution. But if the leaders arent there, if Mitch Mcconnell and paul ryan arent there, its just not going to happen. And they still have on the table full repeal, and you cant get anywhere if youre still talking about talking away health care from millions of people. Woodruff one of the questions this raises in my mind, Barry Bennett, is how much clout does this president have . Uhhuh. Woodruff with this with his party in the congress. After the failure of the Health Care Reform bill, they spent months trying to make this happen. It hasnt worked yet. Yeah. Woodruff are they do they do they care what the president says to them . Well, the congress, i have no idea. Unfortunately, for the congress, they proved all the trump voters were right about congress, right, that washington is broken, and they cant do anything. Congress hasnt solve aid serious problem in quite a long time. So to that extent, his base, the Republican Party pretty much as a majority, was proven right, that congress is broken. You know, as the problem escalates were now seeing, you know, rates as you just reported, rates are rising across the country. There are 19 counties in ohio that dont have dont have a provider. California is coming down. As the problems get bigger and bigger, hopefully more and more people will get serious and we can come to some kind of bipartisan solution. But until now, theres been a total unwillingness for the two sides to work together. And, you know, frankly the Republican Caucus in the senate couldnt even come together. Woodruff well, congress did come together to pass these sanctions against russia, which the president is unhappy with. Well, i think any president would be fairly unhappy with the congress not giving him his right to taking away the ability to lift sanctiones after some kind of negotiation. So, you know, as someone who believes in the power of the office of the presidency, i have a problem with that. I understand i understand politically why they did it. But i dont think that it helps the power of the presidency to do that. Woodruff i was going to ask you about Something Else the president said this week, and that is handling police suspects. Karine, we are just about out of time, that has caused a lot of push back. The president saying dont worry about the suspects when you shove them into the car, dont worry about their heads. Its very troubling and concerning what president said. He has to understand as long as hes in the oval office his words are going to have a the love weight. If youve been watching donald trump for the last two years, for decades, you know that he was not joking. You know that he was very serious about what he was saying. Woodruff all right, were going to have to leave it there, karine jeanpierre, Barry Bennett thank you. Thanks, judy. Woodruff now, what do you do when your job changes, but you dont agree with the change . For one government scientist, it forced him into the role of a reluctant whistleblower. William brangham has our conversation. Recently, joel clement had been working as a senior policy official in the department of interior. His work included the arctic and the draws Climate Change posed. But in june, he was reassigned, along with several dozen others, to a completely different position, unrelated to his previous work. Last week, clement went public in a the Washington Post oped alleging that he was reassigned because of his work on Climate Change. He said he was now, a whistleblower on an administration that chooses silence over science. Joel clement joins me now. Welcome to the newshour. Thank you. So you were one of several dozen people were reassigned, and you allege that this was because of your work on Climate Change. And im curious, lets talk a little bit about what that work was that you were doing before you were reassigned. What did you do . Year, i was here in washington, i was the director of the office of policy analysis. I had a team of analysts and economists and scientists. And we were looking at a lot of crosskit cutting issues, one of which, in particular, we spent a lottive time on was addressing the risks that Climate Change poses for the alaska native communities in the arctic. They are on these very narrow islands, barrier islands, that are in a very dire situation. Because the arctic is warming twice as fast as the rest of the planet, the perma frost that locks those islands in place is starting to fall apart. And the sea ice that used to protect them from the oncoming storms and floods during the season of harsh weather has receded during that season. So now these bits of land are not only falling apart under their feet and buildings sliding into the sea, but theyre at the mercy of these storms that come through. And each episode can be quite dramatic. And, honestly, we worry very much that one super storm and one or more villages could be wiped right off the map. You argued in your piece that you believed upper reassigned for raising concerns about these communitys. You wrote, the Trump Administration clearly retaliated against me for raising awareness of this danger. What evidence do you have that thats really why you got moved . Well, its clear that theres been an ongoing effort to suppress this Climate Change stuff, right. We didnt worry about that as much at interior, because we work on Climate Adaptation and resilience,right. Were addressing the impacts that we know are coming, that are baked into the system, no matter what we do about mitigating Greenhouse Gases so i guess naively we thought that the focus would be on Greenhouse Gases and e. P. A. , but really, in i think it was may, President Trump rescinded an executive order from last december that set up a Tribal Advisory Council and some other boards that would help get this work done. Thats when we realized it doesnt matter whether its resilience adaptation or mitigation, theyre coming after anything that has the scent of Climate Change to it. And what were you doing specifically to raise awareness about this issue that you think put you in the crosshairs . Well, i spoke very publicly about the issue. I raised it to leadership at the department of the interior. I raised it with leadership at the white house. I spoke on several occasions to the public about it, and just the week before i received the reassignment letter i spoke about it at the united nations. Now a spokesman for the interior Department Said this move, transferring you from a to b was completely appropriate. They said it was interior secretary zinke said he was going to reorganize the department on day one, and they argue you signed up for this job knowing that this was likely going to happen. So what is your response to that . We absolutely know that the senior exclusive service is a mobile workforce. Anyone who becomes an s. C. S. , senior executive, know they can be reassigned, even involuntarily. What it does not allow, however, is for the administration to retaliate against employees by reassigning them or to coerce them into quitting their jobs. And it was very clear to me based on the job they put me in that that was their intent. But they never said to you, we didnt like that you were talking about this or raising this issue. They simply said, we think youre better positioned to do this other job. Yeah, they actually never said anything. I didnt talk to anybody. No one reached out before the reassignment, and nobody reached out after the reassignment except to male me where my new office is, and my Notice Office is in the Accounting Office that collects royalty checks from the oil and gas companies. Thats your current job now. Thats where i sit now. Its not really a job. Im a Senior Adviser so its a job title with no duties, so i think its understood i would quit the job before moving. Do you see some irony there, that you were working on Climate Change, largely driven by the consumption of oil and gas, and now youre cashing checks from the oil and gas industry . Year, the irony is not lost on me. Nor is the very clear intent of that reassignment. You have filed a complaint now with the u. S. Office of special counsel. What is it you hope comes of this . Well, im going to trust the process. Theyll do an investigation. I certainly hope that they will then ask the department to reinstate me in my old job so i can get back to work looking out for these alaska native communities, looking out for the health and safety americans. Thats what makes this work meaningful. And, of course, i hope to be able to do that. I also, though, hope that others that are contemplating speaking out realize they do have rights, and they do have a voice, and theres an opportunity if they need to. If theyre told to do things they dont approve of or not to do their job, that they should speak out. All right, joel clement, thank you for talking with us. Thank you very much. Woodruff italys Parliament Today approved a plan to send a Naval Task Force to libya to crack down on smugglers who send thousands of migrants across the mediterranean into europe. Italy has demanded that charities operating rescue ships in the mediterranean comply with a new code of conduct. Amid this, a ship containing antiimmigrant activists is heading towards libya on a mission to return migrants to noneuropean ports. From sicily, special correspondent Malcolm Brabant reports. Reporter at trapani in western sicily, the routine rarely varies. Survivors of a disaster off the libyan coast disembark from a charity ship. The injured and traumatized make landfall first. And then, shielded from the living by a line of hearses, come the dead. Save the children spokesman rik goverde they probably died of drowning, in combination with chemical burns, which is when sea water and fuel, when they react, i mean, some bodies were just without skin. It was terrible. Reporter the migrants were lifted from a deflating dinghy by rescuers from the Spanish Charity pro activa. I am pregnant, i am dying. Reporter so far this year, almost 2,400 have drowned in the mediterranean. Last year, the death toll was 5,000. There is ten dead bodies at the boat, ten dead bodies. Three jump inside the water, the rest are inside the boat. Its a cemetery, its a place so full of dead people. Is a place that is a shame for the European Union. We cannot say we dont know what is happening in front of our eyes. Reporter at city hall in sicilys capital, palermo, mayor Leoluca Orlando is exasperated by europes reluctance to share italys burden. What is sure that today, some european states, first of all are responsible for what is happening. Reporter but this new right Wing Organization vehemently opposes the mayors open borders agenda. It is militant about what it sees as the threat to europes racial identity from africa. Every week, every day, every hour, ships packed with immigrants flood the european border. An invasion is taking place. This massive migration is changing the face of our continent. Were losing our safety, our way of life. And we will become a minority in our own country. Reporter they call themselves the identity generation. Trailed by police and opponents in sicily, they quietly traveled to cyprus, where a supporter filmed them. They believe europe can stop the influx by emulating australias military strategy of intercepting migrant boats and returning them to the point of departure. Theyve chartered a ship called the c star, and its reportedly heading from cyprus towards the libyan coast. They say they will return any migrants they rescue. Italian Lorenzo Fiato since when the n. G. O. S started operating, the deaths in the sea increased. And the ilLegal Immigration became more, more, more a problem. So breaking the narrative of the n. G. O. S that are literally a taxi service from libya to europe is the most important thing to do now. No borders, no nations, stop deportations. Reporter the left Wing Campaign group avaaz signaled its opposition to the extremists by symbolically blocking the sicilian port of catania, from where the c star had originally been expected to begin its mission to libyan waters. Spokesman luca nicotra we know they are trying to show their best face. Some even call them the right wing hipsters. We know they are coming from the worst farright movement all around europe, some of them with neonazi pasts. We know that in may, they tried to literally stop one of the boats here in the port. Reporter that was the aquarius, jointly operated by sos mediterannee and Doctors Without Borders. Many volunteers insist the presence of rescue ships does not entice migrants to make the desperate journey. They claim the push factors of conflict, intimidation or poverty in their homelands are stronger. Dr craig spencer, a Public Health specialist at Columbia University hospital in new york, has just spent three months on the vessel. For me, the question is, is it acceptable to you, is it acceptable to anyone, to let someone drown . I hope everyone would answer no. That no, its not acceptable to allow humans, children, even your worst enemy to drown unaccompanied in the middle of the mediterranean. Reporter in an attempt to impose more control, the italian one sicilian prosecutor is investigating allegations of collusion with smugglers. This week, in an attempt to impose more control in the rescue zone, the Italian Government has ordered the n. G. O. S to sign a code of conduct. Marcella cray leads the Doctors Without Borders team on the aquarius. One of the accusations thats sometimes leveled against organizations like yours is that you are in cahoots with the smugglers, that youre communicating with them so that you can pick these people up at sea. What is the situation . Well, what i can say is that in no way, shape, or form have we ever been in contact with any traffickers or anything like that. We are patrolling the International Waters north of libya, looking for boats in distress. We work with the Maritime Rescue Coordination Center in rome, and theyre the ones that direct where we go, which rescues we do, and where we go afterwards to bring the people. Reporter so theres never any communication whatsoever . None whatsoever. Reporter the aquarius sailed for the rescue zone before the code came into force. Doctors without borders has refused to sign. It objects to having an armed Police Officer on board, and it claims lives could be lost by a new rule demanding ships return to italy immediately once theyve rescued migrants. Previously, they could transfer survivors between ships and spend more time in the search and rescue zone. The internationally recognized Libyan Government asked for help to crack down on traffickers responsible for sending 600,000 migrants to italy since 2014. The European Union has just pledged to give italy 120 million to help ease the migration burden. But the president of the European Parliament has warned that the e. U. Is underestimating the scale of this crisis. Antonio tajani is predicting that millions of africans will try to come to europe in the next five years unless urgent action is taken. He says that the way to discourage them from coming is for there to be a massive program of investment in africa. This center for unaccompanied minors gave a taste of italys problems to the man who wants to replace Angela Merkel as germanys chancellor. Martin schulz, the former president of the European Parliament, now leads the social Democratic Party as it heads towards septembers german general election. Italys interior minister Marco Minniti what do you think of the suggestion that there should be an australian solution to try to stop the wave of migrants coming across the mediterranean . What we need are systems of Legal Immigration to make the distinction between attempting to join the territory of the European Union outside the Legal Framework and the legal frame which is giving hope, not a guarantee, but hope and thats whats missing, lacking in europe. Reporter but do you not think that its worth taking away all the vessels because theyre acting as a pull towards europe . I think theres a lot of activity of the security forces, but at the center of all our activities first of all is humanitarian aid. Reporter at the memorial for those drowned in the mediterranean, another question for the man campaigning to be the most powerful figure in the European Union. Is there anything more that europe could do to stop the deaths . Thats the reason why im here. We need a fair share of the responsibilities. Reporter but much of europe isnt listening. And isnt softening, either. For the pbs newshour, im Malcolm Brabant in sicily. Woodruff on the newshour online right now meet a filmmaker who spent two years crisscrossing the state of alabama, asking people to recite an iconic poem by walt whitman. What was her goal . To find the threads that tied them, and us, together. Find her story our website, www. Pbs. Org newshour. And thats the newshour for tonight. Im judy woodruff. Join us online, and again right here tomorrow evening. 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President trump personally overruled the advice of his attorneys and his advisors to dictate a statement that would be issued in the name of his son donald trump, jr. To mislead the public, to intentionally conceal key fact about that meeting in an attempt to spin the story in sort of a less damaging way. Rose we continue this evening with indecent, the tonyaward winning play. We talk to director rebecca taichman, one of the stars of the play Richard Topol and producer daryl roth. The story of the play is one that kind of