Transcripts For KQED PBS NewsHour 20170419

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House seat near atlanta has come down to a runoff, in a race seen as a referendum on President Trump. A democrat easily led tuesdays voting, but faces a runoff with a republican, in a district that has voted republican for years. We will have a full report, later in the program. In britain, the house of commons overwhelmingly approved Prime Minister theresa mays call for an Early National election. She proposed holding the vote in june, instead of waiting until 2020, while britain is also negotiating its exit from the european union. Before todays vote, may urged lawmakers to give the government the strongest possible hand in the brexit talks. Leaving the election to 2020 would mean that we would be coming to the most sensitive and critical part of the negotiations in the runup to a general election, and that would be in nobodys interest. Woodruff may ruled out holding televised debates during the brief election campaign. Turkeys National Electoral board today refused to annul sundays referendum that greatly expanded the president s powers. The Main Opposition Party brought the challenge, and its deputy chairman insisted the appeals process is a long way from over. translated the internal Legal Process is now closed with the high electoral board decision, but we are determined to employ all legal ways. We are responsible for both ourselves and for the 49 of the turkish people who voted for no. We will fulfill our responsibility. Woodruff the opposition says it will go to turkeys constitutional court, and if need be, to the European Court of human rights. In syria, evacuations of thousands of people resumed today, from four besieged villages. It was part of an Exchange Deal involving two rebelheld towns near damascus, and two pro government villages in the north. Civilians and fighters were transported by bus. The exchange was delayed after a suicide bomber attacked a convoy on saturday, killing more than 120 evacuees. Vice president pence used an Aircraft Carrier as the backdrop today to warn north korea yet again. He addressed some 2,500 sailors aboard the u. S. S. Ronald reagan in tokyo bay, and, he promised an overwhelming response if north korea tries something. The United States of america will always seek peace, but under President Trump, the shield stands guard and the sword stands ready. Woodruff the white house faced questions today about announcements last week that another carrier was sailing for the koreas, when it was still headed the opposite way. Press Secretary Sean Spicer defended the president s statements, and his own. What i was asked was, what signal did it send, that it was going there . And i answered that question correctly at the time. That it signaled foreign presence, strength, and a reassurance to allies. Thats a true statement. Woodruff as of today, the u. S. S. Carl vinson and its entire strike group were still en route to waters off the korean peninsula. Two more russian longrange bombers have been spotted off alaska. It was widely reported today that the aircraft were detected last night, about 40 miles from the alaskan coast. A similar flyby happened monday. Political discord was in the air today as President Trump hosted the super bowl champions new england patriots. Several players cited opposition to him or his policies as a reason for staying away. Star Quarterback Tom Brady said he was dealing with a personal family matter. The ceremony was overshadowed by news that former patriots star Aaron Hernandez hanged himself in his prison cell. He was serving a life sentence without parole for murder. Newly filed reports show the Trump Inaugural Committee raised a recordshattering 107 million. That nearly doubles the record set by president obama, eight years ago. The biggest contributors included casino mogul sheldon adelson, plus bank of america, boeing and others. The nominee for deputy secretary of commerce has withdrawn from consideration. Todd ricketts is a coowner of the chicago cubs. He said today he is unable to resolve conflicts of interest over his finances. And on wall street, the Dow Jones Industrial average lost 118 points to close at 20,404. The nasdaq rose 13 points, and the s p 500 slipped four. Still to come on the newshour the oreilly factor. Bill oreilly out at fox news; close call in georgia what does it mean . Playround fight should state Governments Fund repairs at Church Schools . And much more. Woodruff bill oreilly is out at fox news. In a statement late today, the company said after a thorough and careful review of allegations against him, the company and bill oreilly have agreed that mr. Oreilly will not return to fox news channel. The popular tv host and commentator has been the face of the network for nearly two decades. That all began to unravel in recent weeks, after a New York Times report disclosed that fox had paid some 13 million to settle allegations of Sexual Harassment filed by women he had worked with. He has long denied it. For more on the latest developments, and what they might mean to women, we turn once again, to Michael Schmidt, who is part of the New York Times team who broke the story; and, noreen farrell, executive director of the Civil Rights Organization equal rights advocates. I started by asking schmitt what changed the minds of the mrdoch family . Thetheyre the owners of fox ne. We wrought our story two and a half weeks ago where we said mr. Oreilly had slelted harassment cases with five women, including two in the last year, since roger ails had left the network. And at the time the our story, the Murdoch Family was standed by mr. Oreilly. They looked like they wanted to keep him on. What happened is he began to lose advertisers. First he lost mercedesbenz, the first one to go, and dozens and dozens of companies, up to 50. What you had was eight of the 8 00 hour, the prime time on the network, that had just a few ads running on it. And at the same time, fox brought in an outside law firm to do an investigation into mr. Oreilly, and there was a real trickle of women that came in that were saying Different Things about mr. Oreilly that the network didnt know about. So they sort of saw these two things emerging and the dynamic in the Murdoch Family changed and thats where we got to today, where they basically dismissed him. Woodruff but it wasnt just about money, was it . The Murdoch Family hasnt spoken about it. Ruperts younger sons really care about the culture of the network and modernizing it. What happens is after roger ails left last summer they said they were going to change the culture and it was going to be different at fox and women were going to feel comfortable there and there werent going to be issues. But what happened was, over that period of time, they learned about a deal mr. Oreilly had cut with a woman in 2011. They allowed mr. Orile tow cut two more deals, and this was exposed and it put pressure on them. There were protests outside of the network. There was a plane that flew a banner around new york city calling for mr. Oreillys ouster, and there was real public pressure on them. And i think the sons really won out here. Rupert has extreme loyalty to mr. Oreilly, who is one of the founding hosts will of the network when it started 20 years ago. Woodruff Michael Schmidt, as someone who has covered network news, covered related stories, is this an earthquake in Television News . Well, i think mr. Oreillys probably most recognize the host in cable television. He certainly had the highest ratings. He certainly had, if not the close to the highest revenues. And he was a real voice fo voicr conservatives in this country. He spoke to oldschool American Values and really preached them, and that preach i think and his tone, you know, rubbed some people the wrong way, but it also brought in some really high ratings. And he really established himself and had a real voice, more so than anything, and particularly to fox, he was seen as very important because the 8 00 hour he would bring in a lot of ratings and 9 00 and 10 00 would have big ratings as well. The question fox had they were afraid of, if we take oreilly out of 8 00, are the ratings not just going to go down for 8 00 but 9 00 and 10 00 . Thats what theyre walking into now. Woodruff noreen farrell, were hearing Michael Schmidt talk about family values that bill oreilly stood for. But his leaving is for something different, isnt it . I think its a remarkable moment in the cultural zeitgeist of Sexual Harassment. Were seeing the power of men and women as consumers to influence workplaces that are not their own. And i think, you know, to all the companies that pulled out of bill oreillys show, i think many women in america thank them. Woodruff do you think, noreen farrell, this is going to have an effect on the workplace broadly, or are we i mean, there were those who predicted that back when roger ailes left fox. Well, i think more and more, were seeing that there are different strategies that influence the workplaces that create incentives that clearly 50 years of federal and state laws prohibiting Sexual Harassment have not. And that includes people who organize online, who are really public about protests, who influence companies that are affiliated with company wheres there are bad practices because, look, this happened in two weeks. This probably would take a lawsuit 10 years. Woodruff Michael Schmidt, is there a sense i know you have been talking to a lot of employees at fox that there is no more tolerance for Sexual Harassment at fox anymore . Well, im not sure that the employees are convinced of that because the murdochs said last summer that there wouldnt be any more tolerance for this, and that they had done away with this. They have brought in a firm to investigate mr. Ailes, and they said they had turned the page and that things were going to change. But then the employees look and they look the how the network stood by mr. Oreilly, knowing all the things they that did when our story ran and continued to support him in the days after that. Were two and a half weeks out from the story now. So the question for employees is how is fox going to prove itself to them that they are, indeed, serious about this issue . I guess getting rid of mr. Oreilly sends a certain message, but Going Forward what, will be different . And i think thats what they really wonder . Woodruff noreen farrell, when you and michael were on the program a couple of weeks ago when this story first broke, i think i asked you a version of this same question, but that is are women in other workplaces who have reason to feel threatened, who are experiencing Sexual Harassment, do they take away are they empowered as a result of this . Can they take away any advice for how to handle their own situations . I certainly think this is a good day for whoam want to stand up for their rights in the workplace. I do think it remains to be seen whether or not mr. Oreilly is given a golden parachute or just his walking papers about how committed this company is to really eradicating Sexual Harassment in its workplaces. But certainly, i think that this is a day that women who and men who believe Sexual Harassment has no place in the workplace can feel good. Woodruff and Michael Schmidt, do you expect i mean, is your reporting telling you that there will be a large severance for bill oreilly, as there was for roger ailes. I guess he got, what, 20 million . Whats interesting here is fox renegotiated mr. Oreillys contract while they knew our investigation was going on and while they knew that these settlements had occurred. Its believed that in that contract, fox was able to get some sort of leverage over mr. Oreilly that if something went wrong, they had a better way of getting out of it. So does that mean that fox can get out of the contract without having to give him a lot of money . We dont know those details yet. But we do know that mr. Oreilly was making at least 20 million a year, and has brought in millions of dollars in books for himself and in different paraphernalia that he sells on his show. And, you know, so the question is what kind of hit is mr. Oreilly taking and what will he be doing Going Forward . Woodruff thank you, Michael Schmidt, and noreen farrell. We appreciate it. Thank woodruff democrats came close, but republicans managed to avoid a potentially brutal loss in georgia for now, forcing a runoff in a closely watched special congressional election. This is already a victory for the ages. Woodruff 30yearold democrat jon ossoff fell just short of an outright win in tuesdays crowded special election. But by capturing 48 of the vote, the filmmaker and former congressional aide easily outpaced the other 17 candidates. Weve defied the odds, shattered expectations. We will be ready to fight on and win in june. Woodruff the seat in atlantas suburbs came open when tom price was tapped by President Trump to his cabinet. No democrat has won here since 1979. And now, ossoff faces a runoff against karen handel, a former georgia secretary of state, and the Top Republican with 20 of the vote. On june 20, we keep the 6th district red and kick a little ossoff. Woodruff handel never mentioned President Trump last night, but today said she wants his help. Do you think that President Trump will come to georgia and campaign with you . I would hope so. It is all hands on deck for us. Woodruff for his part, the president compared the result with last weeks close republican win in kansas. He tweeted, dems failed in kansas and are now failing in georgia. Great job karen handel but Democratic Party National Chair tom perez praised the ossoff showing. Just a few weeks ago they were saying democrats cant get over 42 , 43 of the vote. He got 48 . Woodruff the georgia race generated National Interest and a flood of money. Ossoff raised 8. 2 million, 18 times more than handel. In total, republicans and democrats spent more than 13 million. And, outside groups funneled in nearly 8 million, with more than half of that on ads attacking ossoff. The white house today dismissed republicans face at least two more special elections in the months ahead, in montana and south carolina. So, can democrats turn anti trump sentiment into actual wins in upcoming races . For that, we are joined by stu rothenberg, Senior Editor of inside elections; and, dante chinni, director of the American Communities project, a countybycounty look at the u. S. Electorate. He is also a columnist for the wall street journal. And we welcome both of you back to the program. Stu, more than 8million, unheard of amount of money in this district . Why couldnt the democrat, john ossoff, pull this off, get over 50 . Judy, this is a very republican district. You have to understand that, by more than a dozen points, republicans when you look at past republican performance, mitt rom won it, tom price, over 50 of the vote. So its a tough lift for any democrat and i think ossoff did exceed expectations and well see what happens with the runoff. Its always about turnout. Woodruff what did ossoff do right, and what should he have done better . I think what he did right was find a good district to run in . Donald trump only won by 1. 5 points, even though price won it by quite a bit. Its the kind of district made for what democrats are now. Its well educated. Its not super diverse. It looks like the country in large. This is a district that is made for where the party is right now, and this is the these are the kind of people that the kinds of voters that the party is resinating with. Woodruff sturks, that distribute sound like every single district out there that democrats need to win. Well, look, judy, this is a republican district but not a trump district, and there are other districts out there. There are 20 i think its 23 republicans sitting in the house in house districts that were won by hillary clinton. The democrats need 24 seats. So this is the kind of district thats part mix, highly educated, highincome district that does not take to Donald Trumps style, his personality, and some of his issue agenda. But there are other issues, other districts out there that democrats are going to have to win and fin winfirst, frankly, before a district lie this. Woodruff lets talk for a moment about donald trump, dante chinni. Is there a clear sense at this point how much difference he made or didnt make in the outcome here . I think its way too early to know what kind of difference he made in terms of helping keep ossoff under 50 . I think, though, that if you look at what happened in this district, look, as sturks was saying, this was a district where romney won by i think 23 in 2008, john mccain won lie bye close to 20 points. Woodruff those are mainstream republicans. This is a district, looking at the numbers, you would say donald trump helped the democrat much more than he helped karen handel. So the question when i saw the question asked of her, do you want donald trump to come down here . Look youre going to say what youre gog say. Hes president of the United States. Youre a republican seeking a seat in congress. Youre never going to say, dont come down here. Woodruff she said, i hope so. When i look at that district, i dont who knows . Who knows . I dont see the benefit of donald trump going down there for the republican. Thats the kind of thing, actually, that could help john ossoff. Look, there are splits in the republican party. As sturks was saying. There are different kinds of districts. This kind of scrict is not a good district for trump. This is the kind of district where too much trump is going to maybe turn off a lot of republicans. Were not just talking about republicans. There are moderates. The democratic strategy is to make the race a referendum on donald trump because otherwise it becomes about party, partisan, which is bad for ossoff. So he needs to make this look, hes a young wid kidwith not a lot of experience, not a lot of cre dpernlz he doesnt even want the race to be about himself. He wants it to be about the president. Woodruff and i think both of you were saying this is going to be tough for ossoff to win the runoff. Because its such a republican district. If you add up the republican votes and the democratic votes, its likely to be close. I regard the race as a tossup. I think stu is probably right. I think the political environment is so unsettled right now, and normally, you would say, june, thats not that far away. June in 2017 feels about a million years from right now. Whons what donald trump is going to tweet. Ossoff is a young candidate, inexperienced candidate. A lot of things could happen. I graerk it looks like as toup. Woodruff what lessons can democrats take away from this, in other places, not just the special elections this year but for next year . Well, i think theyre going to have to nationalize and anyand all elections and make it about a midterm president prt who is not particularly popular. Trumps job approval, depending on the poll, 39 , 42 whatever it is. They want upon the elections to be about donald trump and the more controversial elements. They need to recruit good candidates in a large number of districts to put those districts in play. They can do that. It depends. We dont know what trumps job approval will be or what issues well be talking about. The dynamics need to feed a sense of change and referendum on trust for democrats to win back house. Woodruff and redistricting in the geography, the demography in these districts isnt favorable to daernlings right . No, but its changing. This is because there are the demographics of the two parties as we understand them now, and the demographic ftz two parties as they existed back in 2012. Look, i think donald trump is talk inge a lot of people think this is trying to take the party in a different direction, the g. O. P. In a different direction. He wants to talk about populism, people left behind. Georgia six is not full of people left behind. 58 of the population has awe bachelors degree. The 10 besteducated districts in the country. Nine of them are democratic with democratics members in congress, the tenth is georgia six. It is an outlier in some ways. Woodruff so, stu, for those district wheres democrats believe they have some kind of decent shot next year i think there will be enough districts in play so that the house is in play. It is not there now. Democrats are just starting recruiting. Theyre going to have to have a good fundraising cycle. Theyre going to need a good environment. Theyre going to need the president s job approval to be down around 40 if thams, they will be able to make the midterm a re referendum on him and the republicans will try to localize it and discrept the democratic candidates. Woodruff a lot of ifs. And there are a lot of inherent splits in the party. Is donald trump the guy who is going to take the party and say im antitrade, i dont like the Global Economy . There are a lot of whrons do quite well in the Global Economy, thank you very much. And this is a very complicated kind kind of issue environment that have to play out. Where does he take the senator and when he takes the party in that direction, what happens to the different sides of the party . We dont know that. Well find out a lot more in six months from now. Woodruff april 19 we dont expect perfect predictions from the both of you, but you generally get it right. Dante chinni, stu rothenberg, thank you very much. Thanks,. Thanks a lot. Woodruff stay with us. Coming up on the newshour a failing state venezuelans protests spill out onto the streets; and in the u. S. , scientists take to the streets, protesting cuts in federal science funding; and, inside americas militias. But first, back in washington, the u. S. Supreme court grappled once again with the relationship between church and state. At the center of todays legal fight . A school playground. Jeffrey brown has more. Brown can the state of missouri give money to repair the playground of a churchrun day care . And what have we learned in the first days of Justice Neil Gorsuch on the bench . Marcia coyle, chief washington correspondent for the national law journal, was in the courtroom today. Hello again, marcia. Hi, jeff. Brown lets get right to it, the case is Trinity Lutheran versus comber. Trinity Luther Church in missouri operates a Daycare Center and it has a playground. It applied for a state grant in a program that funds the refurbishing of playgrounds by the use of recycled tires. Now, it complied brown a good project, right, to help all kinds of it would seem so. It fulfilleddule of the requirementes for the grant but it was denied a grant and the explanation was that the state constitution rohibits the use of public funds to either directly or indirectly support religious institutions. Now, the church decided to challenge this denial, and it went to court claiming that the denial of its application was a violation of the first amendments free exercise clause, and also the equal protection klaus claus. Brown okay, so we heard the arguments today. We did. And just the church did lose in the lower courts, which is why the church brought it to the u. S. Supreme court. Now, remember the free exercise clause doesnt require government to subsidize religion. In fact, it requires government not to interfere with religion. And during the arguments today, my general sense was that there was more sympathy than not for the church. I think probably the most skeptical justice of the churchs position was justice sotomayor. He said theres a lot history in the states, of state laws, not providing direct support to churchs. The church wont close its doors here if it doesnt refurbish its playground. Theres no effect on religious beliefs. Brown even if its a secular purpose in this case, she still thinks theres a case to be made for not giving it to the church. Thats right. The churchs lawyer said that there is actually coercion here, that the church is being penalized because of its status as a religious organization. We also heard on the other side justices alito and breyer, for example, gave a whole series of hypotheticals to the states attorney saying, can the constitution require a state to deny Police Services or Fire Services to religious institutions . And the states lawyer said, well, no. And Justice Breyer said, well, whats the difference here with the playground where youre trying to keep little children from falling and breaking their ankles . Brown even some of the more liberal justices were arguing seemed to be argue in favor of the church. Yes, exactly. And the states argument comes back to this look, we dont want to get entangled with churches. This is a neutral program. We dont want to be selecting among churches. And we dont want to be sending a check directly to a church for a physical improvement. Brown now, the reason people watch these things is not only because of a playground but larger implications. Absolutely. Brown in this case, particularly, because there are bigger societal questions for about, for example, School Voucher programs. A lot of the religious organizations supporting the church in this case really believe that this could say a lot about sights that do now have obstacles to School Vouchers. And it also may have an impact on a whole range of statefunded programs that do not accept applications or support religious organizations. Brown okay in our last minute, the first week of Justice Neil Gorsuch. You got to watch him. I happened to be there myself on monday. I know you were. Brown what did you see . He was very well prepared. He was very active on a hot bench, although i think by late today he was getting a little tired. He wasnt asking as many questions as he did that first day. He injects a certain amount of humor, and he seems to have a testy side to him. Brown a little bite. Every now and then. Brown when he wants to, he can go back and forth quite sharply. Yes, he can. Brown all right, we will be watching the future of Justice Neil Gorsuch and all things with you, marcia coyle, thanks as always. Thank you, jeff. Woodruff thousands of venezuelans took to the streets in protest again today two demonstrators were killed as a political crisis in this failing state deepens amid economic calamity. Chief Foreign Affairs correspondent Margaret Warner reports. Reporter organizers dubbed it the mother of all marches. Hundreds of thousands of opponents to socialist president Nicolas Maduro flooded caracas. translated today, people are in the street demonstrating peacefully, seeking a democratic exit to a situation that is already overflowing. Here, the president of the republic is playing with fire. Reporter the peace was broken almost immediately, as protesters clashed with police and government supporters. National guard troops fired tear gas, and a teenage boy died after being shot in the head. Demonstrators have tried repeatedly in recent days to reach the capital citys downtown. Each time, they were turned back by riot police. At least five people were killed, and hundreds arrested. Brian ellsworth, a reuters reporter in caracas, says tensions have been building. This has been sort of the culmination of that, about two and a half weeks of all these demonstrations. The opposition called this big demonstration and said, all over the country, we need to be protesting against the government. Reporter these latest protests erupted last month, after the progovernment Supreme Court took over the powers of the national legislature, controlled by the opposition. After an international outcry, the Court Reversed itself. But the criticism continued. translated they havent done anything, the Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court has installed a coup detat it cannot correct. Reporter the oilrich nation is also mired in an economic crisis, with skyrocketing tripledigit inflation, rampant crime and food shortages. The opposition wants maduros removal, new elections and the release of political prisoners, including Opposition Leader leopoldo lopez, who was jailed in early 2014. In february, leopoldos wife went to the white house with florida senator marco rubio. President trump tweeted a photo with her, saying venezuela should allow leopoldo lopez, a political prisoner, out of prison immediately. That same month, the u. S. Treasury department designated venezuelan Vice President Tareck El Aissami for sanctions on Drug Trafficking charges. We are concerned the government is violating its its own institution dispoougz not allowing the opposition to have its voices heard. Reporter maduro has struggled ever since. Maduro came to power four years ago, upon the death of his charismatic predecessor, hugo chavez. Maduro has struggled ever since. Chavez himself survived a brief coup in 2002, and accused the United States of subverting him. Riding on high world oil prices, chavez had created subsidies and price controls, raising Living Standards for the poor. But no longer. Again, Brian Ellsworth once oil prices collapsed in 2014, the country basically hadnt saved money during the oil boom, private enterprise has a really hard time producing goods and services, which means we basically dont have them. Reporter the maduro regime is also under pressure from its latin american neighbors. 11 countries called this week for a time frame to hold elections. For the pbs newshour, im Margaret Warner. Woodruff next, is the Scientific Community finding its political voice . Science correspondent miles obrien looks into a growing number of street protests staged by members of a profession not generally known for this sort of activism. Its part of our weekly leading edge series. Who is ready to stand up for science . Reporter they are scientists; and on this february sunday in boston, they were conducting an experiment theyd just as soon avoid. Facing a white house that is pushing acrosstheboard, steep cuts in federal science funding, they are taking to the streets. Their hypothesis in order to keep their work alive, they must dive into the political fray. Today, science fights back i think, scientists, its not in our natural nature to shout, to make a loud noise, but apparently we can do it when come together. Reporter Geoffrey Supran is a Renewable Energy modeler at m. I. T. He was there among a few hundred protesters in copley square, one of several protests staged by scientists since donald trump became president. The administration has proposed doubledigit cuts for the Environmental Protection agency and the National Institutes of health, and a 20 acrossthe board cut to research on Climate Change. As scientists, its actually our responsibility and as citizens to warn the public when we see danger. You know, if you see something, say something. We feel the civic duty. Reporter the protesters here hope this rally is merely a prelude to something much bigger; a march en mass in washington and hundreds of other cities all over the world on april 22. Kishore hari is one of the organizers of the earth day events. Science has been political since the time of galileo. Nothing has changed between now and then, but its important that we are nonpartisan, because this is a march for science, and that unifies everyone around the world. Reporter but the idea has drawn controversy from some scientists, who are concerned march organizers are also advocating a host of other liberal social causes. The rally in boston happened in the midst of the annual meeting of the largest Scientific Society in the world, the American Association for the advancement of science. The organization is supporting the political mobilization of many of its members. Physicist and former democratic congressman rush holt is the c. E. O. Itll be the first time in my this would be, its purported to be a demonstration for science, the very idea of science, the essence of science. Isnt that a wonderful idea . This rally isnt about promoting a particular policy. Its about promoting the idea that the scientific enterprise as a whole improves our lives. Reporter Naomi Oreskes is a scientist and a professor of the history of science at harvard university. She has written extensively about the role of politics, special interests and science. For most of history, she says, scientists had to be politically and publicly engaged in order to fund their research. But in the u. S. , that changed after world war ii, when the federal funding started flowing into laboratories. We lost the sense of a kind of civic obligation, or reciprocal obligation, that if we expect the taxpayer to pay for what we do, that we also should that they have an expectation that we should be spending time explaining it. And i think that breakdown, that reciprocal communication breakdown, has had real consequences in our lifetimes. Reporter during that same time, the political pushback against science grew, whether the realm was evolution, acid rain, the ozone hole or Climate Change. The Scientific Community made a mistake in not taking that more seriously. So now were in a situation where its become a crisis. And now, the Scientific Community, i think, realizes that we have a very serious problem in our hands. Scientists, as a rule, are not comfortable being out there politically, but we should. Putting science into politics and into society is something that they can do and should do, probably must do. Reporter Naomi Oreskes is writing a new book; Science Fiction that imagines a society that embraces Climate Change science and Renewable Energy. Geoffrey supran is helping her with this. After all, Renewable Energy is what his research is all about. This is where we make next generation l. E. D. s and solar cells. Its essentially a continuous vacuum facility. Reporter supran was here in his lab at m. I. T. When president obama visited in 2009, leaving his autograph on a vacuum chamber used to make better solar cells and brighter l. E. D. s. He was sitting in the same place when it dawned on him and his colleagues that most of the technology to tackle Climate Change already exists, but the political will to do something does not. He says for his generation of scientists, that is a call to action. Theres a cultural shift throughout that young people are im proud to say, taking the lead, i think. And so were really starting to see the Scientific Community adjusting to the landscape and preparing itself better to deal with the political realities of today. And if they dont get it, lets run for office and vote them out reporter some scientists are hoping to do just that. Shaughnessy, tell us a little bit about today. Today, we had our first candidate training for scientists who are thinking about running for office. Reporter a science Advocacy Group called 314 action, which is encouraging scientists to run, says 3,000 have signed up for its candidate training program. 314 action has some 101 level political howto videos to help them take the leap out of the lab. Hi, heather. This is Tracy Van Houten, and im the Aerospace Engineer who is running for congress here in this district. Reporter a handful have thrown their slide rules into the ring. Tracy van houten is an engineer at nasas jet propulsion laboratory, who works on mars rovers. I was in washington last week and then the president s budget came out, and i was there advocating on behalf of stem education, and. Reporter she ran for in a special election for a vacated congressional seat in los angeles. If we really care about doing the big things in the world, for me at some point, it just didnt feel big enough anymore to focus on answering mankinds questions about the universe. I needed to kind of return my focus here on earth, to help out in the community here. Reporter Tracy Van Houten didnt succeed in her experiment. She lost in the primary. Despite her aspirations, she is most at home in a clean room. The smokefilled room is a new frontier. Science is not what . Silence thank you. Reporter scientists may find it hard to make the transition, but many of them believe this is a phase change they are compelled to investigate. For the pbs newshour, im miles obrien in boston. Woodruff today is the 22nd anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing. 168 people died in that attack, carried out by timothy mcveigh. Mcveigh sympathized with armed rightwing militia groups, which were surging in membership at the time. These groups are still active, gaining members online, and honing their combat skills in training camps. The newshours p. J. Tobia went inside one of these camps to produce this report. Reporter this is the kill house part of a Training Ground for a rightwing militia in the american south. Its for conducting military operations in urban terrain. We want to practice and rehearse moving out to these structures, covering each other, taking cover and concealment everywhere we can find it. Reporter these men and women call themselves the Georgia Security force. Our common goal is to provide for security for ourselves, our friends and our families, and the other people in our states, if and when the need should arise to do so. Reporter their leader, chris hill, a. K. A. Blood agent says the need could arise at any time. I think what the government gives, the government can take away. If theyre providing the security for us, they can take it away. Reporter theyre part of the three percent militia, one of the nations Largest Armed right wing groups. They believe only 3 of colonial americans fought the revolutionary war, yet were able to overthrow british rule. Historians say, 25 . According to the southern poverty law center, more than 10,000 people identify as three percenters. Though few train like this, they have a presence in nearly every state. Their ideology . A mix of antigovernment conspiracy theories. It could be our own government overreaching, you know. If we end up, you know, with a tyrant in office, no one knows what could happen in 15 years, but at least were going to be prepared. Reporter three percenters also are suspect of islam and foreigners; to some, many recent arrivals to the u. S. Represent both. Its an unarmed invasion. , mcnab is an expert on these groups. She says the groups have committed or planned hundreds of violent attacks. They range from plots to kill cops, for example, blow up a police headquarters. Theres a lot of resisting arrest. They dont believe the cops have any authority over them. Two at a time, two at a time. There are more than 500 militia groups in the u. S. , more than double the number in 2008, according to the antidefamation league. Most of them are right wing and antigovernment. In addition to the 3 militias, theres the oath keepers, formed in 2009. Theyre primarily current and former Law Enforcement and military personnel. Oath keepers showed up in ferguson, missouri during the protests in the summer of 2015. They said they were there to help keep the peace and protect reporters working for alex jones conspiracyfueled info wars website. Meanwhile, thousands have flocked to older groups like the sovereign citizens movement, tax resisters who deny the legitimacy of the american government. Some of them have dabbled in biological weapons, such as ricin. Th reporter the georgia three percenters say they are strictly a defensive force. In the time we spent with them, they repeatedly renounced violence or criminality. Chris hill says his group is careful about who they accept and train. Well, we go through a vetting process. Each member has to be interviewed by a board of no less than four or five ranking members from several different states. We look for red flags. If an individual seems radical or theyre missing some screws, then, you know, were going to keep that person to the side. Reporter these men claim their militia gives them a sense of shared identity. Weve basically built it as a family. I dont have a lot of family, so its family that i dont have. A lot of likeminded people, but yet we also stand for the same cause. Im seeing a conflict in morals and values in the country that make me question, is this really happening . Crybabies are going to demand transgender bathrooms or whatever. At the end of the day, your rights end where mine begin. You know, dont push your belief on me. Any terrorist organization cannot be trusted. And unfortunately, a lot of them, you know, are stemming off from the muslim religion. You know, from islam. Today, militias are energized by more recent events last years occupation of the malheur wildlife refuge by amon bundy; and the 2014 standoff in nevada, where bundys father, backed by militia men, squared off with federal officials over grazing rights on public lands. Chris hill was one of those militia men at bundy ranch. I was pissed off, i was angered. Seeing peaceful people being pushed around, and this Bureaucratic Agency is up in the hills, pointing, training their weapons down on a family because maybe they owe taxes because the cows eat corn. Reporter for the georgia three percenters, Donald Trumps election sends a signal. With a trump victory, that gives me a little bit of hope where i had none, that we can turn the tide against these communist, marxist, socialist ideas of governing and return to they can no longer focus president obama or candidate clinton. I dont have a good feeling about where this is going. What happens right now when trump paints targets on people, when he paints targets on the press . He went off about a state senator who did something a sheriff didnt like in texas. Lets take him down. He says hes joke, but this movement doesnt have a sense of humor. Despite the f. B. I. s recent arrest, mcnab says federal Law Enforcement isnt doing enough. Theyve done almost nothing to monitor and counter this movement. It started in 2009, right after obama took office. In that year, d. H. S. Release aid memo to Law Enforcement, detailing the threat posed by right wing extremists. But because it had a line saying veterans returning home from war were at risk of being approachedded by this movement, Homeland Security disavowed it and they term 98edly the division that tracked this movement. The man who led that division of d. H. S. , is darrell johnson. There was basically a political firestorm that erupted. And you lost your job. Pretty much. Johnson says he was forced to resign and now runs a consulting business with government contract. What kind of capabilities for monitoring these groups does the d. H. S. Have now . Yeah, since i left in 2010, Homeland Security had one analyst that was looking at these problems, these domestic terrorist issues, and essentially, that lone, single analyst left. And so today they have no no one looking at this theft. In response to newshours questions about militia groups, a department of Homeland Security spokesperson said since 2009, they have improved their analysis of domestic terrorism and continue to work with the f. B. I. To investigate these groups purpose they denied johnson was forced out, agenda johnsons report was withdrawn because of incomplete sourcing. J. J. Mcnab says the lack of attention has had deadly consequences like when two Arkansas Police officers were gunned down by taxresisting sovereign citizens in 2010. A police chief in west mem sis, arkansas, had two of his officers killed by a sovereign citizen and two others shot. He resident all the things he got from the f. B. I. , and while they had told him in incredible detail what the risks of al qaeda were, they had never mentioned any home groam extremism that wasnt islamic. Oh, my. bleep . God both johnson and mcnab says militia have successfully recruited police and active military personnel. We have a lot of returning veterans, military members who have fought in the warses in afghanistan and iraq, and they bring that mentality with them, that training that they had in the military, that kind of desensitized, dehumanized muslims in these war zones and in these conflicts. And so when they come home, a lot of them carry that sentiment with them, and it reflects itself in the modern day militia today. With Law Enforcement, thats particularly problematic because if, for example, an agency wants to investigate someone they suspect of building a bomb, will one of their members, one of the Police Officers who is part of that group, tip off the criminal . Theres a recent leak that came out of an f. B. I. Manual that talked about how there were white sprem sirveghtz for example, in Certain Police departments, but the f. B. I. Couldnt tell the Police Departments that it was a problem because they were worried that that would tip off the white supremacist they were investigating. We asked to speak to the f. B. I. About the monitoring of domestic militias and militias recruiting veterans. The bureau declined, but a spokesperson said, our focus is not on membership in particular groups but on criminal activity. The f. B. I. Add that they want to protect the rights of all americans. Members of the Georgia Security force claim that they, too, are committed to protecting those rights by any means necessary. For the feebs now, im p. J. Tone yeah. Woodruff finally, another television milestone. Fox televisions animated comedy series, the simpsons, has become one of the longest running programs on american television. William brangham tells that story. Reporter thirty years ago today, viewers met what would become an iconic American Family the simpsons. On april 19, 1987, this strange talking, yellowskinned family of five made their tv debut, appearing initially on the sketch comedy series, the Tracey Ullman show. The simpsons but soon, 20th century fox spun them off into their own 30minute program. More than 600 episodes, and 32 emmy awards later, the simpsons is now the longest running scripted primetime show in u. S. History. Reporter in its early years, the simpsons was criticized by cultural conservatives who felt the shows subversive streak set a bad example for the nation. Go on out there and have fun. And if you lose, ill kill you reporter the show even earned a president ial rebuke in 1992 we are going to keep on trying to strengthen the American Family, to make American Families a lot more like the waltons and a lot less like the simpsons. Reporter in time, the shows wit and biting satire made it a critical and commercial success. Its earned fox billions of dollars. Whats the secret to its success . The 616th episode of the simpsons airs next sunday night, and according to its creators, there are no plans for stopping anytime soon. 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