Transcripts For KQED PBS NewsHour 20170106

Woodruff and its friday. Mark shields and david brooks are here to analyze the weeks news. All that and more on tonights pbs newshour. Major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by moving our economy for 160 years. Bnsf, the engine that connects us. Lincoln financial is committed to helping you take charge of your future. The ford foundation. Working with visionaries on the frontlines of social change worldwide. And with the ongoing support of these institutions and friends of the newshour. This program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. And by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. Woodruff the f. B. I. , the c. I. A. And National Security agency are out tonight with a final report on russian meddling in the 2016 president ial election. They say theyre confident that russias president Vladimir Putin personally ordered it, with a clear preference for president elect trump. Before he was briefed on the findings today, mr. Trump said it was all, a political witch hunt. Afterward, he said it was a constructive session, but noted the agencies found absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election. In fact, the report says officials did not assess the effect of the russian efforts. Well look at all this, after the news summary. The days other major story is in florida. Panic erupted at the Fort Lauderdale airport, when a gunman shot five people to death and wounded eight more before he was captured. William brangham picks it up from there. Reporter the shooting set off an afternoon of chaotic reports about exactly what was going on. Steve mort of feature stories news is at the Fort Lauderdale airport. He joins me via telephone. Steve, i understand you were there soon after this attack came to an end. Can you tell us what you first saw . Yes, we were here very soon after it took place, maybe about 20 minutes to half an hour or so and, as we got to the airport, we tried to find a Vantage Point to establish our camera. We managed to find a Vantage Point on the parking garage that was overlooking terminal two where the shooting took place, of course, in the baggage claim area, and what happened was there were subsequent reports of a shooter inside that parking garage, and that prompted the s. W. A. T. Team to move in. They moved us as well as other passengers, members of the public that were in that parking garage out and into one of the other terminals here at the Fort Lauderdale airport. It was a very surreal situation. We had to duck behind cars as s. W. A. T. Team members spotted an unidentified individual within the parking garage which of course triggered multiple rumors there were other shooters, a very common phenomenon in mass shooting incidents, as many of us who have had the misfortune to cover them know well. Eventually we managed to reach the terminal. We saw several groups of people who had been asked to clear areas by police, many running, screaming, not sure what was going on. It was a pretty chaotic scene. Brangham we understand there is a suspect named esteban stantiago who has been apprehended and believed to be the only shooter. What do we know about who this man is . That is correct. We understand at this stage that he did act on his own. We understand that he boarded a plane in alaska. Woe understand that esteban stantiago then flew to Fort Lauderdale, where he unpacked from his checked baggage a firearm. We understand he flew wit, checked it into his checked luggage. Of course, youre allowed to do that. You can put them in your checked bags. He took a gun out of his checked bag, went to a bathroom adjacent to the baggage claim area in the terminal two here at the airport, when he loaded the weapon, then went back out into the bag an claim area and opened fire. In front of the prospect themselves, santiago were getting patchy details about his background. He suspected to be a former u. S. Army soldier from the new york area. We know that estebans brother says that he had been receiving psychological treatment while living in alaska and that estebans girlfriend had alerted the brother to the situation after the shooting had unfolded. Now, of course, the main point now for authorities will be to try to figure out exactly what the motivation here was in this attack. We dont believe at the moment according to authorities that there was a terrorism motivation here, but certainly f. B. I. Officials are going to be questioning him intensely over the coming hours and days, trying to find out exactly why he carried out this attack. Brangham steve mort of feature stories news. Thank you very much. Woodruff in the days other news the election of donald trump as president was certified when congress tallied the Electoral College votes. Vice President Joe Biden presided, as a number of House Democrats objected, but none had the support of a senator, as the rules require. Even as people waited hours in georgia. There is no debate. There is no debate if theres no signed by a senator. The objection cannot be entertained. Mr. President , the objection is signed by a member of the house, but not yet by a member of the senate. Well it is over. [laughter] woodruff mr. Trump finished with 304 electoral votes to 227 for Hillary Clinton. She won the popular vote by a margin of about 2. 9 million. The president elect was busy on other fronts today. In a series of tweets, he disputed reports that u. S. Taxpayers will pay for a wall on the mexican border, under a plan his own advisers shared with congress. Instead, he insisted mexico will reimburse the cost, later. And he mocked Arnold Schwarzeneggers low ratings as his replacement on the new Celebrity Apprentice television show. Mr. Trump wrote so much for being a movie star. Job creation in the u. S. Slowed last month, as the Unemployment Rate ticked higher. The u. S. Labor Department Reports the economy saw a net gain of 156,000 jobs. The jobless rate edged up to 4. 7 , as more people started looking for work. Hourly pay rose nearly 3 the most in more than seven years, as employers paid more to attract and keep workers. From president obama today, a challenge on repealing obamacare. He says republicans need to present their alternative before they repeal the existing law. In an interview with the news website vox, he acknowledged the Affordable Care act has flaws, but he challenged critics to come up with an improvement. I am saying to every republican right now if you, in fact, can put a plan together that is demonstrably better than what obamacare is doing, i will publicly support repealing obamacare and replacing it with your plan. But i want to see it first. Woodruff republicans have yet to agree on their own plan, but they say they hope to enact repeal and vote on a replacement this year. Russia announced today its withdrawing some of its forces from syria, starting with an Aircraft Carrier and other warships. The carrier the admiral kuznetsov was deployed in november, as russia intensified air strikes on eastern aleppo. The city fell to Syrian Government forces on december 22nd. The longrunning search for Malaysia Airlines flight mh370 is finally ending in two weeks. Malaysias government says its calling a halt, as teams finish searching more than 46,000 square miles in the indian ocean. The airliner disappeared in march of 2014, with 239 people on board. Debris has washed up in eastern africa. Back in this country states across the deep south declared emergencies today ahead of a winter storm, and atlanta braced for the worst. A 2014 storm paralyzed the city and stranded thousands of people overnight on jammed highways. Officials said plans are in place to avoid a repeat. Wall street closed the week on a high note. The Dow Jones Industrial average gained 64 points to finish at 19,963 after flirting with 20,000. The nasdaq rose 33 points, and the s p 500 added nearly eight. Both the nasdaq and the s p closings were new records. And, Michelle Obama had her final, formal event as first lady today. She spoke at a white house event for the School Counselor of the year, and she spoke directly to the nations youth. Lead by example with hope, never fear and know i will be with you, rooting for you and working to support you for the rest of my life. Being the first lady has been the greatest honor of my life and i hope ive made you proud. Woodruff the obamas have two more weeks in the white house, until inauguration day, january 20th. Still to come on the newshour a first look at the Intelligence Report on russian hacking, secretary of state john kerrys view of russia and the state relations with the rest of the world, mark shields and david brooks analyze the weeks news, plus, much more. Woodruff we return to the report issued this afternoon by the u. S. Intelligence community on what it calls russian activities and intentions in recent u. S. Elections. The report is a public version of a highlyclassified assessment given to the president and other top officials. It alleges that russia used covert operations to steal material from the Democratic Party, and others, and disseminated it through media organizations it controls, and through third party groups. It called the campaign a significant escalation of russian efforts to undermine the u. S. Led liberal democratic order. For more on the reports findings and its effects, im joined from capitol hill by california representative adam schiff, who is the top democrat on the house intelligence committee. And, for the record, we called every current republican member serving on the senate and house intelligence committees, and none was available. Adam schiff, congressman schiff, thank you very much for joining us. Now, this report says it has high confidence that president Vladimir Putin personally ordered this campaign to interfere with the u. S. Election. It doesnt say how it knows that, but after you were briefed and have read the classified report, are you confident that thats what happened . I am very confident, and i think all the members to have the Intelligence Community, democrats and republicans, are confident in the conclusions about the russian involvement. I have been on the committee now almost ten years and this is among the best documented, most ironclad, i think, Intelligence Reports ive seen on any major issue. If this doesnt persuade donald trump about the facts, nothing will. Woodruff the report, also, congressman schiff, says the russians developed what they call a clear preference for donald trump. How so . Well, there are many reasons why the russians prefer donald trump. I think, in the first instance, they wanted to tear down secretary clinton. I think they despised their remarks about the flawed 2011 elections in russia. They fear she would be very tough on russia in terms of sanctions. Donald trump, on the other hand, had every reason to want. Someone who belittled n. A. T. O. , praised putin, would be more amenable to the policy in syria where they bomb civilians, so there were a lot of reasons for them to prefer donald trump. It was their aspiration, as the report makes clear, to help him and to hurt her. Woodruff the report also points out that the russian how the Russian Military intelligence passed along this information to wikileaks, the socalled transparency organization. We know Julian Assange, the founder of wikileaks, say they didnt get it from the russians. What evidence is there in the report that there was collaboration between the russians and wikileaks . You know, i cant go into that evidence because thats really the heart and soul of the classified report, but i can say i think the case is very powerful. Wikileaks was a useful medium for the russians. They had a little more distance or denight club with wikileaks than with their other cutouts, so they made ample use of it. I think Julian Assange knows this or is affirmatively trying to stick his head in the sand, but, nonetheless, it was a very useful platform for the russians. Woodruff before this report became public and, in fact, before president elect trump was briefed, he said that this whole thing is a political witch hunt the findings by the u. S. Intelligence community. Whats your reaction to that . My reaction is this, we need democrats and republicans in congress to Work Together to fashion a very comprehensive pushback to russia, not just the cyber hacking, but their bribery of officials in europe, their social media campaign, their overt media campaign. All of the dirty tricks, basically, the russians employ to tear down their democracy, we need to Work Together on a bipartisan basis and need the new president s help. We cant do it alone, and that has to begin by his acknowledgment of the facts. We need him to lead the liberal democratic order around the world. No other nation can do that the way we can, and its going to be very hard for congress to do it over his opposition. Woodruff well, one of the comments he made after the briefing was he pointed out and emphasized, he said he appreciated the breeching, but he emphasized that the alleged russian action had, in his words, absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election. Now, my reading of what was made public from this report is that they didnt examine whether the hacking affected the outcome of the election. Thats exactly right and i think that was very misleading of the president elect to suggest this report or the presentation said there was no outcome, no effect on the election itself. There is true its true there is no evidence the tampering with voter ma venus or registration or anything like that affected the counting of the votes, thats true. Its not the same thing as saying there is no impact on the outcome. Clearly, the daily dumping of information that was damaging to secretary clinton and helpful to donald trump is hugely consequential and its not the Intelligence Communitys place to say whether this was determinative and its unknowable but that claim was unsupported by the report or briefing he got today. Woodruff we know, congressman schiff, that president obama took measures against the Russian Intelligence Community just in the last few days. Yesterday, i interviewed Vice President biden. He said other steps have been taken that are not publicly known. Is it your sense that the u. S. Is responding appropriately . Should more be done . What should the United States be prepared to do as a result of this . I think what has been done so far by the Current Administration is a first step. It is by no means, i think, sufficient. We need a working congress on a bipartisan basis. Weve reached out on a democratic side to senators mccain and graham on a package of broader sanctions to make the russians pay a price, but even beyond that, we need a comprehensive approach to what is a very successful, wellfunded, russian effort through a variety of vectors, through, as i mentioned, bribery of people, their media platforms, their hacking, the publishing of fake news, of bogus documents, we need to push back against all of that. Its a threat to the german elections coming up, our french and n. A. T. O. Allies, and we need a comprehensive and hard push back. Its the only things russians understand and will deter them. Woodruff congressman adam schiff, ranking democrat in the house intelligence committee. Thank you for talking with us. T. Woodruff and you can read the full declassified Intelligence Report on our website. Thats at pbs. Org newshour. Woodruff now to my interview with secretary of state john kerry. I sat down with him earlier today at the state department, before the public release of the Intelligence Report on russia, but i began by asking now that we have confirmation russia interfered in the election, does that fundamentally change washingtons relationship with moscow . Secretary kerry, thank you very much for talking with us. Thank you. Woodruff so now that it has been confirmed that the russians interfered aggressively in the u. S. Election, does this represent a fundamental change in the United States relationship with russia . Well, that remains to be determined. It certainly represents a major challenge in that relationship. Its a hostile act. Its it has serious consequences, and were going to have to work that through. I say we, the United States, the next administration will have to approach russia very clearly, understanding what has happened. Woodruff do you think more needs to be done to retaliate, as of now . Well, i think that president obama made it clear that we would retaliate at a time of our choosing and ways of our choosing, and that means some of them the public will know about some of them, some of them they will not know about. Obviously, with two weeks left, i think that the administration coming in will have to make judgments of its own about what the next steps will be. Woodruff its reported the russians were celebrating the election of donald trump. Why would they be celebrating . What do you think . Im not going to speculate. I think its too important. Im just not going to speculate. I think there have been a lot of news articles. You all have been covering this for some period of time. People will draw their own judgments but im not going to add to that speculation. Woodruff what do you think Vladimir Putin wants . You have been dealing with him for a long time. What do you think hes after . Well, hes after a lot of things. There are a lot of motivations. He obviously has agreed with us on some things and disagreed with us on others, and we managed to find Common Ground and Work Together effectively in the iran nuclear agreement, where russia assumed major responsibilities to try to get the agreement done and make it work. So i can give you a long list of things where russia and president putin have found Common Ground and worked with the United States. But on ukraine, on the implementation to have the minsk agreement, on syria, we have obviously not been able to find the same kind of Common Ground, despite good efforts, and those are problems that are going to continue into the next administration. My hope is the next administration will approach russia strategically, with a clear purpose of trying to find more Common Ground but without giving up on fundamental values and principles that are at the core of the United States Foreign Policy. Woodruff well, are you concerned that could happen . You have talked with your successor designate, rex tillerson. Does he have the same view of russian intentions that you do . Well, he and i are going to sit down, actually, i think next week, and have an opportunity to really debrief and to go into these subjects, so i cant comment on what his approach is going to be or what hes thinking at this moment about that. I can tell you that i think there is an opportunity here, still, for president elect trump and then President Trump to try to reach out to russia and see whether or not they can put to test the proposition that we could find things in which we can agree. Perhaps on some things we will agree to disagree, but, nevertheless, put the world in a better place. Woodruff but at this moment, youre not worried the Incoming Administration will be naive . I have questions like everybody has questions, judy, but as secretary of state, its inappropriate for me to start speculating publicly and get caught up in the daytoday back and forth. I dont want to do that, i think its inappropriate. I think there are clear strategic possibilities that, if the new administration pursues correctly, could open up avenues of cooperation and reduce tensions and perhaps put to test whether or not there could be, you know, a more improved daytoday relationship between us i. Syria, i happened to sit down yesterday with Vice President biden and asked him if that represented a failure of the United States. He said no. My question to you is, if its not a failure, does it at least, beyond being a humanitarian disaster, represent an enormous missed opportunity of the United States to shape events in that part of the world . Well, we did shape events to a certain degree. It is certainly going to be debated whether or not they were shaped enough or whether certain options that might have shaped them differently were taken or not taken. But i agree with the Vice President that the fact that we were not able to, which is a disappointment, clearly, to push the parties into a place where they made a different set of choices, thats disappointing, but i dont think it represents, you know, some sort of, you know, failure on our part. You can try and try and push people. The old saying, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. And here we led people to water. The water of peace proposition, the water of geneva, a process. We laid out through our leadership the International Syria support group. We brought iran to the table. We brought russia to the table. We had assurances that the that assad would do certain things. He didnt. He chose not to. So the russians failed, actually, to deliver assad in a way they said they would. The iranians failed to deliver the process they said they would, because they continued to prop him up in ways that went way beyond the agreement that had been reached in the geneva agreement to try to come to a political resolution. So, look, did the whole process fail . Did the International Community fail to solve it . Yes, profoundly. But was that a specific failure of the United States . History will debate whether some choices may have been made or not made that may have altered that, but i dont think it falls exclusively on us that this problem hasnt been solved. Woodruff are u. S. Interests advanced with the way things stand today in syria . With the way they stand today . No. Nobodys interests are served by whats happening in syria today. Its a catastrophe. Its the worst human catastrophe since world war ii and, as i said just now, it represents a failure of the entire International Community to come to grips with solving it and its a tragedy for the people who have been caught in the middle, but i am proud of what our administration has done, of what we did day to day to try to get a cease fire in place. I am proud we are the largest donor of humanitarian assistance for refugees. I am proud of what we did with the i. S. S. G. , and i regret that we were not able to be successful in getting the parties to geneva, but i deeply believe that we are on the cusp of seeing that happen over the course of the next months and that it will be the framework that we put in place that is ultimately going to be the structure around which peace in syria is built. Woodruff several other countries i want to mention quickly. Israel, you got a great deal of attention with the speech you made about israels policy, talking about the settlements. Right after that, israel announced theyre expanding the settlements. We know the attitude about israel, of the incoming president elect, mr. Netanyahu. So my question is, were you as secretary of state shouting into the wind . No, i dont believe so. I dont believe so at all. Every administration through our history has said that the settlements are an obstacle to peace, and they do not have legal validity. We didnt break new ground with that except that we reiterated and reaffirmed that we are not going to sit by idly and watch a sort of extreme element within the current government move in a direction that we believe is dangerous for israel, reduces the possibility of peace, prolongs the potential of conflict, and is completely contrary to American Values and interests which have been expressed by republican and democrat administrations alike throughout history. Woodruff final question. Youre seen as the most shouldertothewheel secretary of state weve had in a long time. You have been to virtually every global or you have been dealing with virtually every global trouble spot around the world. Youve given this job long hours. Youve traveled nonstop. What are you the most proud of . What is your greatest disappointment as you walk away . Well, you know, im going to duck you slightly here in the sense that i honestly dont dwell on the disappointments. There are some, and weve talked about a few of the things that are undone, but i am very proud of the department. I think we are more engaged in more places in the world simultaneously dealing with more crises and with greater effect in those more places in the world than at any time in american history. I think the world is safer without iran with a nuclear weapon. The world has got the potential to bto be safer if we fully implement the paris agreement. So, yes, i think, all in all, the Obama Administration that president obama has focused on has lived up to our need to protect american interests, to live our values and assert our values, and to stand up for future generations. Woodruff secretary of state john kerry, thank you very much. Thank you. Woodruff that brings us to the analysis of shields and brooks. Thats syndicated columnist mark shields and New York Times columnist david brooks. Happy new year, gentlemen. Happy new year, judy. Woodruff good seeing you in 2017. So lets Start Talking about the Intelligence Report. Mark, the entire Intelligence Community is behind it. Theyre saying without a shadow of a doubt, in so many words, they are confident the russians tried to interfere in the u. S. Election and developed a clear preference for donald trump. What are we to make of this . Does it change the way we look at this election . I dont know if it changes the way we look at it, judy. It certainly changes the way we look at the United States relationship with russia, i think, and, in this sense, that the Intelligence Community said it made these findings with high confidence. Ever since the weapons of mass destruction era and decision on invading iraq, the Intelligence Community has been very, very careful to avoid high confidence. Thats saying we really believe this to be true. They have been more tentative. Theres no question they were uneequivocal and emphatic, every american ought to be angry and concerned that an unfriendly nation, a nation that has cooperated with us certain places but does not wish us well sought to sabotage american democracy, american confidence in our own Democratic Institutions and to influence the outcome of the election. Thats a cause of concern, and worry and anger, and i would hope they would respond not as democrats or republicans but as americans to make sure it never happens again. Woodruff david, how should americans look at this . I agree with that, with anger, with shock. Weve sort of gotten used to the idea because to have the news leaks before this report, but the idea that russia felt emboldened and apparently fearless to go into our election and manipulate our own election process, whether succes successr not, is a sign they are outside the norms of normal society. This is a step up that russia feels completely free to do this, putin feels free to do this without fear of penalty and so far paying little penal. Partly its motivated by animus toward Hillary Clinton as we heard early in the program about what she said about them in 2010, 2012, partly because a feeling donald trump will be tougher on i. S. I. S. But the thing that should concern us is a shift in American Foreign policy. We have had a bipartisan Foreign Policy that believed in a democratic global world by russia and the soviet union has been seen as hostile to. Donald trump and Vladimir Putin and maybe marie le pen do not believe in this basic structure of the world, have no respect for the institutions created after world war ii, and see a potential alliance of populous around the world that would fight islam and restore a certain semblance of American Values. So this is a piece of the larger shift. Woodruff mark, donald trump, the president elect does have his own reaction to this report. I mean, you know, joining in with the what davids saying. I mean, he started out by calling it a political rich hunt and then after he was briefed about it, he made a very short comment and they did in so many words that, well, it didnt affect the outcome of the election. As usual, he takes the big picture. In other words, i won. Anything in any way diminishes or tarnishes my personal victory, i reject. His disparagement, make that disdain, openly, for the american Intelligence Community and its work is damaging to National Security. I mean, the Intelligence Community, for the security of our nation, for the well being of our nation, for the Economic Prosperity of our nation, the competitiveness, depends on sources in other places and other nations depend upon our intelligence, and here we have the president elect dismissing, disparaging, disdaining openly because it somehow, in his way his perspective, diminishes his victory is just astonishing. Its happening on three levels, this story. There is the big strategic level which i descreened, then the donald trump ego level, and his ego is like a comet the size of super tuesday traveling through the solar system and we all have to be affected by its gravitational pull so all American Foreign policy has to remind Us Donald Trump did win this election all by himself and nobody else could have helped and its all me me me, and that seems to be the center of his views. Third is this is a guy whos going to be taking over a public office, president of the United States, he will have a system built around him, he will have employees, and he as a Public Servant will work with other Public Servants, presumably, the Intelligence Community, but seems completely uninterested in being part of this system our founders set up, so he seems to still be a lone wolf insulting his future employees and bringing woe to you who insupport the president , he seems to be on purpose alienating the resources hes going to have to draw on. Woodruff the world is a more complicated place than maybe its ever been as we heard from john kerry. He talked about the number of different places that the u. S. Now has to worry about its relationship with and, right now, were at a critical point where were changing from one administration to the next. Its always a fraught time, but it just seems especially so this time. It does, and i think, in part, because of the reasons david announced, observed earlier, that the changing, sort of organizing principle of postwar world and the United States, and we know, i think probably more keenly and more acutely, the limits of our power. If i could just add one thing to davids observation earlier and that is, judy, ive lived through an awful lot of transitions from election to inauguration. It is a period during which president elect follow a pattern. They become more popular. What they do is they submerge partisanship, they reach across the line, they do all sorts of symbolic things to unite the nation. This president elect has done the opposite. He continued his rallies, apparently for selfgratification. He fired up his true believers, he continued to disparage and belittle his defeated opponent openly, and toward what end . Theres been no similar polk reach. Hes had interviews with heidi hide camp, the democratic senator from north dakota. Theres been no strategic sense of where the country is going or where its about. Tweeting about Arnold Schwarzeneggers ratings on the apprentice, making twelve calls into ohio to defeat joh john kasichs Republican Committee vote. This is pettiness and shows no largeness of vision and is really distressing. Woodruff and yesterday, david, in conjunction with this, he tweeted a criticism of Chuck Schumer, called him the head clown in talking the way the democrats are handling obama. I did interview the Vice President yesterday who looked right into the camera and said, grow up, donald. You know, is that the kind of comment thats likely to make a difference, you think . The Vice President . Yes, im sure donald trump is growing and maturing as we speak. Weve gotten used to analyzing. Le statements in a certain way, like what is the policy implications, and we take them all very seriously because when a president speaks, as mark said a couple of weeks ago, that usually means a lot, but ive come to think we have to treat Donald Trumps tweets like snapchat, its going to go away, and it flies out of some region of his brain and goes out into the ether and usually in the realm of media. In tweets of russia, he was attacking cnn and nbc because of their coverage. Hes a media commentator, even with schwartz snakier. So like snapchat, it will just go away. So until he can give us something real, its sometimes best to let them go with the wind. So when he calls Chuck Schumer the head clown, mark how does it possibly help . Hes going to need Chuck Schumer. Chuck schumer is a proud and able and dedicated and skillful leader, and you dont want him as an opponent, as a sworn adversary. Hes a formidable figure legislatively. Why do it . Its gratuitous. On the joe biden interview, of all sad words of tongue and pen, these are the saddest that might have been. In the election we had the two least liked nominees in the morning history of american polling, and you could not watch the interview i commend you for it last night with joe biden without saying i like this guy. I mean, he is a thoroughly likable man and when he says, grow up, i mean, there was nothing mean about it. It was absolutely what a grownup would say. This was a grownup talking. The way i thought he talked about Democratic Values was missing in the campaign of 2016 sorely to the democrats disadvantage. It was a marvelous i commend it to anybody who missed it for any reason to watch it online. Woodruff one of the things i talked to the Vice President about, david, was obamacare and what the republicans are going to do about it. The administration is saying theyre afraid they cant make any changes unless they make bad changes to it. What do you see going on with it . First, on the interview, i was struck by the way he kept emphasizing the democrats and not campaigning on the working class. The policies of the Democratic Party have been in cultural consonance with the culture and he was very honest. He has been in governance since he was 27 and when youre in governance you understand the limitations and complexities of governance, its hard. Obamacare, im not sure the Trump Administration has thought in any complex way about how to repeal and replace. Repealing first and then replacing later doesnt strike me and a lot of the republican healthcare experts i talk toe, doesnt strike them as a workable thing to do. You repeal maybe some of the premium supports in obamacare and then replace them with something later, that seems to create the sort of death spiral and destabilization were all worried about. So it seems to me and to a growing number of republican senators including corker and mccain, they have to repeal and replace at the same time, you have to have a plan, or else youre creating a recipe for chaos. Its not clear how either the house or Trump Administration has thought through exactly how that works. Woodruff ten seconds, mark. Whats the big rush, judy, on the Healthcare Plan . Its been eight years. So theyve had a lot of ideas. Paul ryan said that. Theyve got ideas everywhere. They have no idea what theyre going to do. Repeal is lowhanging fruit. Theyve done it. Theyve done it 60 times. Theyll do it 60 more. They have no plan. Woodruff mark shields, david brooks, thank you both. Woodruff now, the latest story in our series about food in america, a collaboration between the newshour and npr. Tonight, our focus is on seafood, and specifically, a movement to ensure sustainable seafood. That means fish caught domestically and locally and not fished to extinction. Despite the vast expanse of shoreline in this country, more than 90 of the seafood americans eat is imported. Many conservationists, fishermen and foodies are out to change this. Special correspondent Allison Aubrey of npr news has the story. Reporter cape cod massachusetts, named for the cod, but thats not what fisherman Jamie Eldredge is catching today. Cods been overfished in these waters. Now, hes laying his lines for a fish that most americans have never even heard of its called dogfish. Was it a good catch . How much did you land . Its a daily limit of 6,000 pounds, and im probably just a little shy of it today. Reporter that fish ends up here at this Processing Plant just up the road. So this is dogfish here, kind of a long sharky lookin thing . Yes, it is the most plentiful fish we have on the east coast right now. Reporter owner, brian marder says the chatham fishermen will bring in six Million Pounds of dogfish this year. His operation turns that spiky shark into long white fillets. Whos buying this fish . This is all being packed for the european export market. Reporter im told that the french love it, they call it salmonettes, which sounds kind of fancy. Yup. Reporter are you telling me that everything being processed here is just going to be shipped out . Yes it is. Reporter 99 of it . 99 . Reporter while all this dogfish is shipping out to europe, wheres the fish that americans like to eat coming from . Turns out its being flown in from countries around the world. Arriving at warehouses like this one we visited. Santa monica seafood is one of the largest distributors on the west coast. This year, theyll distribute 42 Million Pounds of it, much of it imported. Lots of fresh caught seafood going out and tons of seafood coming in from overseas. Its a swap that plays out across the United States, according to jennifer dianto kemmerly. Shes director of seafood watch at the monterey bay aquarium, they track and rank environmentally responsible fisheries. Over 90 of the seafood we consume in the u. S. Is actually caught or farm raised overseas, and the majority of the seafood we catch in our u. S. Fisheries doesnt stay here in our local market it goes to other countries. Reporter does that make sense . Were kind of missing out on the bounty that we actually have here. Were not celebrating the local fisheries as much as we probably should be. Reporter and that bounty is so plentiful that the Environmental Defense fund has launched a campaign to get americans eating these lesser known species from our own coastal waters. Eat these fish is a campaign to celebrate the comeback of americas fisheries. Reporter like new englands overfished cod, fisheries around the u. S. Were being depleted. After environmentalists sounded alarm bells, Congress Passed an act in 2006 that required fisheries to set quotas by 2011. Now fisheries have rebounded. Nancy civetta is with the cape cod commercial fishermens alliance. Shes been trying to promote the story of dogfish. She says even with all the demand from europe theres plenty of dogfish left here for americans to eat. Theres so many out there that we dont even catch the quota the government allows us. Reporter but heres the challenge. We dont eat dogfish in this country. We import salmon, tuna and shrimp. We do not eat the food were bringing to shore right here. Reporter civetta says importing most of the fish we eat could have consequences down the line. If we continue to import and buy from other countries, then our fishing industry could wither away. If were going to maximize the potential of this fishery then we need to create markets so that the fisherman can fish for it, they can better their bottom lines and we can have a sustainable coastal community. So what they do is they lay down on the bottom of the ocean. Reporter sean dimin runs a Company Called sea to table, that he says is doing just that. We come out here to places like chatham, fishing communities all around americas coasts, and we figure out how to get the best directly to chefs, universities, distributing directly from the point of catch to the point of consumption. Beautiful photos of fish we can now sell directly to consumers. Reporter back at sea to tables brooklyn headquarters, dimin explains that his operation is a complete departure from the traditional model. A big thing that we do is sell fish that fishermen are catching. Not necessarily what American Consumers and diners think they want, and thats a big part of what we do is supporting american fishing communities. Thats beautiful reporter and the model aligns perfectly with a big push at University Dining halls to source their foods from more local and sustainable sources. On the count of three say dogfish reporter this group runs the dining halls at the university of massachusetts. They serve 55,000 meals a day. Theyve made a commitment to bring this dogfish and other underloved fish back to their campus. Its at University Dining halls like this one where thousands of people eat every day that you might be able to shake things up. These students are used to trying new things and a lot of them love the novelty of it. So whats the appeal here, why go out of the way to buy dogfish . Being in western massachusetts we love to support the western massachusetts fisheries. And that it tastes great. Reporter university of massachusetts chef bob bankert is grilling dog fish fillets, hes lathered them in a spicy seasoning to make tacos. At another food station, dogfish becomes an asian flash fry. Its drizzled with wasabi mayo on top. The students are curious. A display tells them where the dogfish comes from and who caught it. Selina fournier is manager of this dining hall. Theres students that may have never heard of such a fish, so when they saw the fish here today and then got to taste it, the whole association really creates that story and bringing it to life. And hopefully creating something exciting that theyll want to order even when theyre not at umass. Reporter is that your hope that youre setting a new generation of eating habits here . Definitely. We are setting the standard for the way these students hopefully continue their health and wellness once they graduate umass. Thank you. Reporter Ruth Crawford and ana yrazusta went for the asian flash fry. So give it a try, tell us what you think. Oh my god so good. Amazing reporter whats the biggest appeal to you here . Its new, local, fresh, so healthy. Reporter sea to table already has about a thousand customers, including dozens of large universities and restaurant chefs, and theyre also planning to roll out direct to Consumer Delivery so people can get fish delivered right to their door. And are you hoping now that ten years from now, most americans know what dogfish is . Well we hope so. Reporter fishermen like Jamie Eldredge are eager to see if Companies Like sea to table can capture the taste buds of the next generation. Im Allison Aubrey of npr news for the pbs newshour in chatham, massachusetts. Woodruff finally, professor Christopher Edmin teaches at columbia universitys teachers college. He explains why there are so few African American males teaching our children in tonights in my humble opinion. When newshour asked me to write and deliver this essay about why there are so few black male teachers. I was excited, i agreed. I then realized that i needed to discuss this issue by presenting it in a way that exemplifies the problem. The problem is that no ones really listening. So, for this essay, youre going to have to listen, but do so in a little bit of a different way. Like some other black Cultural Values and modes of expression that black male teachers and their students share and have in common, hiphop is demonized by the public and devalued in schools. So what are we talking about . Whether its dance, dress, slang, or entertainment, these forms of culture need to be accepted with some limits in schools to engage students and retain teachers. When they are not accepted, students underperform, teachers get frustrated, and then teachers leave black youth drop out get suspended at higher rates schools react about the facts so they hire a black face black male went through hell dodged the cell got a degree schools excited he got hired they gave him some mentees now these mentees breeze through p. E. With ease at best see cs if the course talks degrees or ratio, proportions cause class is boring the language is anguish they languish in their performance frustrated they updated they thug image stuck in the sewage cultural irrelevance created poor instruction boring structures that im called in to rupture and im overwhelmed yeah, im black the kids are black too but what i know is right to do means breaking the schools rules so we leave the profession in every major city 40 in chicago 19 in philly really. We cant stand being the teachers that we hated but they made us suspend em and punish em with bad grades and the School System is more diverse than ever but i never see myself among the faculty and whether i do or not doesnt make much of a difference if you hire me, retire me, and do not change the system. Listen, like 50 of Public Schools are youth of color right 82 of the teachers are of the other white less than 2 o those who teach are black males. One in every 15 of these same males end up in jail schools criminalize and society despises us for the black male teacher frustrations rise in us now students respond in anger and hate schools then teachers respond and start tightening up the rules test prep begets yet even more frustration i prep em for a test, they detest so they fail it then i get blamed the teacher gets nailed to the cross as if hes the cause of it so of course he feels hes forced to quit the source of this often sits at the precipice of pessimists who get to spit a less legit hypothesis about my grit and those that i teach so i quit woodruff tune in later tonight on Washington Week an indepth look at the ongoing power plays between president elect donald trump, the Republicanled Congress and the Obama Administration over National Security, health care and immigration reform. Thats later tonight on Washington Week. 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