Transcripts For KQED PBS NewsHour 20140920

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And with the ongoing support of these institutions this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. And by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. Woodruff france joined the u. S. In the skies over iraq today, conducting its first air strikes on the Islamic State group. Military video showed attacks on a logistics depot, plus a munitions and fuel dump. Officials said dozens of militants were killed, and president Francois Hollande promised more to come within limits. translated other actions are expected in the coming days with the same goal to weaken this terrorist organization, and come to the aid of iraqi authorities, by that i mean iraqi troops and Kurdish Peshmerga based in iraq. There are no french troops on the ground, only planes which, in liaison with iraqi authorities and in coordination with our allies, are weakening the terrorist organization. Woodruff back in baghdad, car bombings killed at least 30 people at a shiite mosque and markets. And in washington, obama signed a bill to arm syrian rebels. Sectarian fighting in yemen escalated sharply today as shiite rebels battled sunni militiamen in the capital. The rebels attacked the headquarters of state tv in sanaa, after surging out of northern yemen in recent months. The prou. S. Government is largely caught between the warring factions. The World Health Organization is appealing for renewed efforts against ebola in west africa, despite the murders of eight health workers. Their team was attacked in a remote part of guinea. Meanwhile, a threeday National Lockdown began in sierra leone, to slow the disease. Aid workers went door to door today with health tips and soap. And Bloomberg News reported the centers for Disease Control now estimates a worst Case Scenario of 550,000 cases, before the outbreak subsides. N. F. L. Commissioner roger a storm of domestic vines over n. F. L. Players, Roger Goodell said new rules over personal conduct are coming and acknowledged mishandling the case of former ravens star ray rice but said now i will get it right. The same mistakes can never be repeated. We will do whatever it is necessary to ensure that we are thorough in our review process and that our conclusions are reliable. We will get our house in order first. Woodruff goodell said he does not want to resign. Also today, president obama launched a new effort against sexual assaults on college campuses. The its on us campaign aims to send a message that its everyones responsibility. The president criticized what he called the quiet tolerance of sexual assault. In the philippines, widespread flooding from a Tropical Storm and monsoon rains shut down manila today with neckhigh water in places. The floods drowned whole sections of manila after more than 10 inches of rain fell over a 24hour period. At least three people died and some 37,000 others were displaced. Drug maker glaxosmithkline has been fined nearly 500 Million Dollars for bribing doctors in china. The Police Ministry said British National mark reilly the companys former china manager paid doctors to use glaxos products, beginning in 2009. He was ordered today to leave the country immediately. On wall street today, the Dow Jones Industrial average gained 13 points to close at 17,279. The nasdaq fell 13, to close at 4579. And the sandp dropped a point, to 2010. For the week, the dow gained 1. 7 percent. The sandp was up 1. 3 percent. And the nasdaq rose a fraction of a percent. Woodruff still to come on the newshour. Irans foreign minister on how to deal with the Islamic State group. Voters in scotland reject independence from the u. K. Chinese ecommerce giant alibaba sells its first shares on the New York Stock Exchange. Getting an extreme view of Natural Beauty on federal land in utah. And david brooks and e. J. Dionne on the weeks news. Woodruff now to iran and our interview with foreign minister Mohammad Javad zarif. He is in new york this week for the so called p5 plus one talks on that countrys nuclear program. As questions loom over whether a deal can be reached by a late november deadline and what will happen if there is no agreement. Earlier today, our chief Foreign Affairs correspondent Margaret Warner asked about that, the u. S. Strategy in fighting the Islamic State militant group, and why tehran has ruled out working with washington to defeat the organization. Warner minister zarif, thank you for joining us. Very good to be with you. Warner today, france joined the u. S. In launching airstrikes in iraq against the isis militants. Do you think thats going to be an effective strategy to counter these militant forces . Well, i believe the International Community should come to realize that this is a common threat, a common challenge and it requires a common response. In our view, the response should come from the region and supported by the International Community, not the other way around. We have been cooperating with the government of iraq and the government of or the Regional Government of kurdistan in order to defeat these terrorists, because we consider these terrorists a threat to all nations in the region and beyond because of all these foreign fighters that you have. Warner so you and president obama are really on the same page on this, that is, that International Community can assist maybe from the air, training and equipping, but not getting involved on the ground . Well, i believe the iraqis themselves are quite capable of liberating their territory. What the International Community needs to do is to prevent assistance to the terrorists, which has been coming, unfortunately, over the past three, four years, from various quarters in the region and outside the region. Warner so youre talking about saudi arabia, some of the other gulf states, their help with financing and training . Youre talking about turkey, thats allowed foreign fighters to cross over into iraq and syria . Well, im not in the business of naming names. We are willing to work with them, particularly with our friends in the region, in order to defeat this threat, but defeat it fundamentally, not simply by military action. Warner but by all accounts president rouhanis government has rebuffed overtures from president obamas government to actually cooperate because we were not convinced that the United States government was serious. Im sure that what happened yesterday in the house and the senate, approving the request of president obama for financing the syrian opposition, does not correspond well with an attempt to fight terrorism. If you undermine the Central Government in syria. That would enable the i. S. Terrorists and to gain even more territory. We see this as basically contradiction in terms of trying to defeat isis, but at the same time funding those who are trying to undermine the very government that is withstanding isis terrorists. Those forces who are operating on the ground in syria are unfortunately isis and people of the same color. Very. Warner all of them . Almost, a majority of them. At least a majority of those who control any territory in syria, are either isis or Jabhat Al Nusra or other fringe alqaida groups. Warner alqaidalinked groups. We do not believe that supporting these groups will help the process of democratization and respect for the will of the people in syria. Warner but you are a major patron you are a major patron of the Syrian Government . Can you not use your influence with the Syrian Government to in fact encourage them, force them to make such an inclusive arrangement with their own opposition . Actually, nobody can force anybody in our region. We have influence in iraq, we have influence in syria, we have influence in the region. The reason we have influence is that we do not impose our will on the countries in the region. Warner well, but many would point out that the shiitebacked hezbollah fighters have in fact moved up from lebanon to assist president assad, but let me move on to the nuclear issue. One reason youre here early before u. N. G. A. Week, which is the nuclear negotiations, you face a twomonth deadline now to finish this second phase and really finish a deal. Do you think theres any prospect of getting there . Well, i think theres every prospect of getting there, provided that people want to address a problem, not the constituencies. There are two ways of resolving this problem. One is to try to resolve this problem, and the other one is try to appease those who do not see any resolution, whatever the parameters, that resolution may be in their interests. So if you abandon the second alternative and put our focus on the first alternative, then i believe a solution is at hand. Iran does not want nuclear weapons. Iran does not need nuclear weapons. The only problem, if i may, is this basically infatuation, obsession with sanctions. Sanctions do not achieve any objective. Sanctions simply put pressure on the people. Warner but those in the United States that dont trust iran say, well, iran has an obsession with building a gigantic Nuclear Infrastructure that they dont need for energy purposes, that will be nuclear weaponsready. I mean, dont you have a problem of the hardliners on both sides, when youre talking about constituencies . Well, there may be lunatics everywhere. Warner laughs but no serious person in iran wants to build a nuclear weapon, because people have very serious strategic calculations. What we can suggest to people there is a lot of mistrust to go around. I mean, iranians dont trust the United States. We can change that, and its important for all of us to try to instead of living in the past, to try to write a new history. And writing a new history is to try to come to arrangements that would scientifically prevent iran from building a nuclear bomb. Warner so if the iranian government wants to persuade the rest of the world that, as you say, the intentions are purely peaceful, why not agree to the much lower level of centrifuges, number of centrifuges that the United States and the western powers are insisting upon . Because were not here to accept arbitrary decisions. Were here to negotiate. But what we are suggesting is not that you have to take this or leave it. We are saying that lets consider together how best we can do this. We have agreed to limit, for a certain number of years, the number of centrifuges that will be spinning. And that is out of no necessity, simply in order to create confidence. But im not prepared to accept any arbitrary numbers. Warner okay, now, of course, iran then wants all of these sanctions rolled back and lifted. Many of those would require, to be permanently lifted, u. S. Congressional approval. As you well know, theres a lot of opposition to that. Would iran accept something less for instance, just having president obama waive those . Well, obviously i do not engage in negotiations on the air, but we understand u. S. Politics. We understand the constraints that president obama is facing. As we dont accept them asking us to do the impossible, we will not ask them to do the impossible. Warner so if president obama wanted to do something of an end run around congress, that would be enough assurance for you . Its up to him. We deal with the government. Of course, we know the complexities, the domestic complexities involved. But as sovereign state, we deal with the United States government, as a sovereign state. We do not interfere in the internal domestic politics of the United States. If president obama promises us to do something, we will accept and respect his promise. Warner so is an extension beyond the november 24th deadline possible . I dont think so, and im not prepared at this stage to entertain that idea. Im not saying that november 24st is the doomsday. Im saying that we should put all our energy into reaching agreement by that time. Warner so no brinksmanship . I believe this issue requires statesmanship, not brinksmanship, and im prepared to exercise as much of that as i can possibly do. Warner despite the political price president rouhani and you and your government are paying for this at home . Well, leadership requires courage, and i hope that everybody is prepared to exercise that courage. I believe we are at the point in history that we can in fact what we do has an impact on the future of our region and the future of the perceptions of two nations towards one another. So we should seize this opportunity. Warner minister sharif, thank you so much. Good to be with you. Woodruff on our website, you can see more of margarets interview with foreign minister zarif, including his comments on Washington Post journalist jason rezaian, who has been jailed in tehran for almost two months. Woodruff well, the votes are in and the nos have it. Polls had flipflopped in recent weeks, but in the end, scotlands residents decided to stay in their 307 year union with the united kingdom. A dreary mist shrouded the scottish capital of edinburgh this morning, matching the moods of 1. 6 Million People whod voted for independence only to see it lose. It shows that still there are a lot of people in scotland that didnt want that. Its not a landslide vote so we think thats a good thing overall even if it is still no because its going to show that were not all happy with the way things are. Woodruff the official announcement came in the Early Morning hours. The majority of valid votes cast yesterday by the people of scotland in response to the referendum question, should scotland be an independent country . Were in favor of no. cheers and applause from the no Campaign Headquarters the cheer was deafening. Im happy that in the morning im gonna wake up scottish and im gonna wake up british. Im just so happy. Woodruff the leader of the no side, alistair darling, was triumphant. The people of scotland have spoken. cheers and applause we have chosen unity over division and positive change rather than needless separation. Woodruff the breakdown showed 55 voted to stay with the united kingdom, while 45 voted to leave. And the unprecedented turnout topped 85 . Despite his disappointment, despite his disappointment, yes Campaign Leader alex salmond said the turnout was a huge point of pride. This has been a triumph for the democratic process and participation in politics. Woodruff salmond has been at the forefront of scotlands Pro Independence movement for decades, but today he announced hes resigning as Scottish First minister. We lost the referendum vote but scotland can still carry the political initiative. Scotland can still emerge as the real winner. For me as leader, my time is nearly over. But for scotland, the Campaign Continues and the dream shall never die. In london, with the threat of separation past, Prime Minister David Cameron renewed his promise to begin granting scotland more powers. We have delivered on devolution under this government and we will do so again in the next parliament. The three main prounion parties have made commitment, clear commitments for further powers for the scottish parliament. We will ensure that those commitments are honored in full. Even so, there were complaints from some in camerons own conservative party ranks that the promises are too generous. And Queen Elizabeth issued her own statement, speaking of her enduring love of scotland and urging the entire nation to Work Together in Mutual Respect and support. For more on the significance of the result of the referendum and what comes next, we turn to louise richson, principal and vice chancellor at the university of st. Andrews. And Washington Bureau chief of the economist magazine. Welcome to both of you. Louise richardson, were you surprised at the margin of victory for the no vote . It was 10, almost 11 points. I think everyone was surprised by the margin of victory but we all had so little to go on because this was such an unprecedented occasion and we were seeing 16yearolds and 17yearolds vote for the first time, an lect trait where only 30 recently registered, a turnout of 85 , so it was very difficult to predict but i think most were surprised by the margin of victory. Woodruff david rennie, were you surprised . I think so. The poll was safe and solid for the no camp till a few weeksing a. You had a 20 point lead for the camp to keep the u. K. Together and that lead collapsed in the last two or three weeks and all that movement seemed to be with lowerincome, leftwing, often slightly older voters. So there seemed to be a big shift taking place. One of the first analysis of what happened last night is they didnt turn out in quite as massive numbers as some of the more pro union voters. Woodruff were now being told that, no, there wont be independence for scotland but there will be a big change in the relationship between scotland and london, the home government, and, as well as a change for wales, england, for northern ireland. I think the referendum in scotland will prove to be a catalyst for constitution change throughout the united kingdom. In the past few weeks, as the london parties decided they actually could lose this campaign, even though they had been somewhat complacent for much to have the campaign, they promised divo max, significant new powers for scots if they would vote no. They promised for tax raising powers, more powers over issues like benefits which are important to people who are voting and this means, i think, that there will be more power going to scotland, but it raises the question of whats called in britain a question for westminster where english members of parliament can vote only scottish members of parliament can vote only on issues pertaining to english constituencies but english constituents cant vote for scots. Its time for change and i think weve seen Prime Minister cameron today indicate hes going to address those concerns. David rennie, is it believed that the government is going to carry through on these promises . Yeah, i can imagine that here in the United States this may seem a bit esoteric. But i think more people need to understand that what really has happened even with a vote to Stay Together is that the sleeping beast is english nationalism, because today some think the scots were bribed to stay with more privileges. Whats happened is they have exclusive rights over the scottish schools but now have a say of what happens down in england. The english are fivesixth of the population of this of the united kingdom. They feel suddenly shoved into second place and the scots have been bribed with all these promises and thats an unprecedented thing to have english nationalism stalking around as a big Political Force putting pressure on David Cameron the Prime Minister. Woodruff so coming out of this, the u. K. Is more politically unsettled . Thats not necessarily a good thing. I think british people are now very much engaged. It has been an extraordinary exercise in democracy the last few months in scotland. Weve never seen anything like it. Few democracies have. Its worth remembering many countries fought several wars over whether one region had a right to succeed and here in britain its been with a democratic vote that everybody accepting the will of the majority, a peaceful, robust debate. So i think it is a real statement of the strength of british democracy and if its unsettled, thats food because means the public is more engaged. Woodruff david renney, what about the Independence Movement itself . Is it going to continue . Youve seen the leader of the Independence Movement resigning because of the loss. He will be replaced but he is kind of irreplaceable. Scotland is a small country. He was really the absolutely dominant sort of big political beast. He was the really talented politician up there. Personal i think the thing to keep an eye on is the Sleeping Giant the fivesixths of the country, the english parliament, exclusive rights to vote on english subjects. This is a big fight about power. Scotland is basically a left wing country. England has a narrow conservative majority. The country as a whole is finely balanced. So this is a blue country, red country, purple, gigantic power struggle. Woodruff what does that mean in terms of u. K. s relationship with other countries, the United States, europe and others . There can be little doubt that britain would have been very weakened that scotland decided to separate. The whole question of britains membership, englands membership in the e. U. Is subject to yet another referendum. So i think, going forward, most countries like to deal with unitary actors and few countries can really understand the depth of domestic politics in other countries and looks as though englishbritish domestic politics will be more complex which will complicate relationships with other countries but the fundamentals are more effective. Sounds like thats what youre saying. A Global Partner for america or now an increasing number of english who are frankly like switzerland, rich and inward looking and shunning the rest of the world. Theyre definitely out there. Woodruff we thank you both. Thank you. Woodruff chinese ecommerce giant, alibaba, took wall street by storm today. The company had its initial Public Offering on the New York Stock Exchange and it appears to be the largest of all time one hundred million shares traded in the first ten minutes. More than 25 billion was raised. Its a moment that highlights the power of chinas growing middle class. Hari sreenivasan has the story from our new york studios. Sreenivasan to give you some sense of the companys size, alibaba earned more last year than amazon and ebay combined. The company was founded 15 years ago and often described as combining elements of google, amazon and ebay into one web operation. The firm cofounded by a former teacher jack ma is now valued at more than 230 billion. Shares opened with a frenzy today, nearly 94 each. Yet for all of that, alibaba is hardly a household name in the u. S. To help fill in the picture, joined by david kirkpatrick, looking at how technology is changing business. Hes also author of the facebook effect. So weve heard a little bit about alibaba. Why is it so significant in opening today . Well, i think the company was brilliantly market in the i. P. O. Process and the first time a Major Chinese Internet Company has gone open in the United States. Theres two other gigantic companies. Jack ma the c. E. O. And founder you mentioned is a uniquely charismatic individual who generated enormous excitement among investors. Sreenivasan they describe this as a mix of amazon, ebay. Explain what does alibaba do . Its hard to explain. It does so many different things. It started out being a broker for particularly people outside china wanting to buy chinese goods. Then they got into a more ebay Business Inside china where small retailers would sell to consumers, et cetera. Now they have a very popular business on top of the others called teen mall which is a business where established brands sell to individual consumers like a major u. S. Consumer brand would have a tmall site and chinese consumers would buy from them via alibaba. But they have their own logistics and delivery company, their own Payment Service and their own money market which offers higher interest rates, they just bought half a soccer team, a movie studio. They are unbounded in their ambitions but theyre still primarily an ecommerce company. Reporter how successful are they at ecommerce . So successful they almost have a monopoly business in the chinese patrick. Over 80 of Chinese Markets in china go over alibaba. And immerse is more important in chinese economy than the u. S. Economy. Sreenivasan not all chinese are on the internet yet. No, only half chinese citizens are on the internet and pretty much any one of them is likely to be an alibaba customer. Sreenivasan why did so many investors, especially institutional ones, want to get in on this price even if it was adjusted hiring and higher. Theyre 40 plus operating margin profits. Thats high for an Internet Company. And 80 market share in the primary market. Thats all investors need to here. The growth has been strong in recent quarters. A fast growing company, high margins, dominant market share. Investors understand that language. Sreenivasan is this a proxy bet on the chinese economy . I think thats a good way to think about it, a positive way to think about it. In effect, by so many werners buying this stock at such a high price, theyre saying china is our friend, we believe in the future to have the chinese economy, we believe in the future of in effect the Chinese Government because lets face it, the way business works in china is if the government doesnt want it to happen, it doesnt. So theres a tighter bond between the government and business in china. Even jack ma said today the whole way he operated his company throughout history is be in love with the government but dont marry it. Try to do what wants. Live and die by the government. What is the down side on Chinese Government policy changes that could have a Ripple Effect on the share price today . Theres certainly a potential down side there but i think the Chinese Government appreciates so much what alibaba is doing economically and today what its done for the image of china, i dont think you will see them coming down on alibaba anytime soon. But youve never seen one company be so vetted to policies. Sreenivasan whats the concerns about the price and what the future of the company is. Certainly valuation is a significant concern if youre a cautious investor. Its got a high multiple now. But theres two sort of big other questions. The first is the one we just mentioned which is government influence and regulatory change because in china if the government regulators decide Something Different and you didnt expect, your whole business can go out the window overnight. I dont think that will happen here. The other is the governance of alibaba. The way its structured as a business is extremely complex and lengthy and not very transparent. So investors dont have the window into whats really happening inside the company that theyd have with a western company. Its not audit in the same way. What people brought today is not even the actual assets of the company. They bought shares in a cayman islandsbased Holding Company that gets profits from alibaba, and has an ironclad deal to get the profits, at least they say its ironclad, but its not the assets of the company. Its not unusual for the chinese internet to have that kind of a deal but its not the way, you know, western investors typically invest. Sreenivasan david kirkpatrick, thanks so much. Thanks for having me. Woodruff now to the second in our twopart look at land disputes in the american west. Last night Jeffrey Brown looked at a fight between local residents and the federal government over closing down a canyon, rich in archaeological treasures, to motorized vehicles. Tonight, jeff has the story of a very different split over how to enjoy and experience the Natural Beauty. Brown stretch a hightech nylon line some 400 feet above a canyon near moab, utah. Do you want to attention before we walk . Its tight, actually. Brown strap on a harness. I like feeling the line between my toes. Brown and step out into the air. Whoo brown its called highlining, done on public lands, a perfectly legal activity that most of us, including your correspondent, who stayed far back from cliffs edge, would never dream of undertaking. Im always a little nervous no matter how many i do. Brown but they do this sort of thing several times a week. You are forced to narrow your focus and im thinking of the anchor on the other side and how bad i want to get there and how long its been since i took my last step and when i will take my next step and what my foot feels like on the line. Its a rush of overwhelming happiness because youve done something you were terrified of and you overcame that fear and all of a sudden youre proud of yourself. You feel empowered like you can do anything, really. Brown in high lining, sky walkers are tethered to the line. As this video of scott rogers shows, thats not the case inout sports like base jumping in which jumpers launch themselves off stationary objects like cliffs and pull a parachute at key moments. Timing is everything, room for error very small. Rogers and ashburn know people who died when the wind blew them back into the cliff or their parachute was opened too late. But that doesnt stop them and certainly doesnt stop them from capturing their exploits on video and posting them online. I love spreading the joy because i feel like we know the secret about life, about when you do things that are scary and you overcome your fears, not only is it the most fun you will ever have but its so empowering it continues through the rest of your life. Its taking something part of our life and showing it to the world and saying, hey, look, you can have fun doing these things you didnt even realize existed. Brown theres, of course, another way of looking at and being a part of this extraordinary landscape, one thats quieter, calmer, and sees the beauty, the drama, the exeems in the land itself. The red rock walls, towering spires, rivers, and plunging canyons. In this way of experiencing the wilderness, the long walk, the light footprint, mans small part in the universe take precedence. The question is what sort of Land Protection and what sort of ethic you want to evolve with the younger generation. Part of what the struggle is now is for quiet users to have the space they need. Colorado historian and nature writer andrew gullford says cultural shifts in how people view the outdoors have raised important new questions. We have a long tradition of public land use in the american west. The new kinds of outdoor activities, though, the extreme sport activities, theres not a lot of nature involved. So todays generation is treating outdoors as a dirty gym, and thats not what it was thought about with the 1954 wilderness act and others. So those conservation laws were about preserving nature for natures sake and weve got a new generation of extreme sports enthusiasts who simply want to go out, use the outdoors, photograph themselves with, you know, special little cameras, and then hit the pub by dark and talk about their exploits. Brown there has been much talk about this particular exploit, the rope swing at corona arch, an iconic landmark outsidoutside moab. The Youtube Video put out in 2012 has more than 25 million views online. It also got the attention of the federal bureau of Land Management which had recently taken over the arch from the state of utah in a land swap, and which administers so much of this state and other parts of the west. Its just created over time. Brown Megan Crandall is a spokeswoman. So we learned about this on videos we see. How do you learn about it . The same way. Brown whats your reaction . Holy cow. I was blown away. Thats incredible. Brown you have to figure out how to manage this. Right. Certainly we have a responsibility to manage the uses. But as weve seen with these activities, it was like a fire storm, it took off and gained in popularity and we saw research in that surge. Brown the surge of views caused one death and one serious injury by rope swingers who misjudged how long the ropes needed to be. B. L. M. Policy is that people use public lands at their ownriesing, but the agency looks at a variety of factors including damage to the rocks and the impact on those who want to experience the arch the Old Fashioned way. And while they study these impacts, federal officials proposed a ban on rope activities at corona. Were putting out for Public Comment a suggestion that we institute a temporary twoyear restriction on rope activities to give us the time and space we need to evaluate if continuing to allow the activities is the most appropriate use of the area. Brown the moab monkeys say they love the land, too, and are happy to share it. It was a really long flight. Brown but Haley Ashburn says there are plenty of Public Places for those who complain about the disruption of extreme sports. If they want peach, they should go to arches or any national park. Theyre called the no fun allowed zones. Brown the National Barks . Yes, nice and quiet, no base jumping, nobody going to be screaming and yelling and having a really amazing time. Brown the b. L. M. s mad Megan Crandall says it works both ways. Theres also plenty of room for rope activities if the band is playing in corona arch. There are still plenty of places to engage in these activities, but at least for us we want to take the time to really think about whether its appropriate for those to continue here. Brown the b. L. M. Is taking Public Comments on the issue the end of this month. Woodruff this Week Congress gave its support to arming moderate syrian rebels, but there seemed to be a divide between the military and white house over the need for Ground Troops to take on the Islamic State group. We analyze that and more with brooks and dionne. Thats New York Times columnist david brooks and Washington Post columnist e. J. Dionne mark shields is away. Welcome to you both. Good to be with you. Woodruff so the Islamic State group. The president got the support, david, that he wanted from the house and the senate to arm syrian rebels. The polls, though, are showing the public is saying they dont think this strategy is going to work, even though they agree with the specifics. As we just said, the generals are saying, hey, we are going to need Ground Troops, despite what the president said. How does all this limit him . How much does it complicate what the u. S. Is trying to do . The first thing is i was impressed by how big the majorities were. Seems like when you look at politics, the Republican Party shifted dramatically on Public Policy and the tea party, too. There were people on either end against us, but at least in this one issue, preventing the caliphate from existing in iraq and syria, pretty solid majorities. Whats happening now, were entering the Mission Creek phase. Its pretty clear the idea of just using air war fair is not going to get i. S. I. S. Out of the cities and the generals are beginning to think that through, probably will need some special forces on the ground, not a big invasion. Its much less multilateral than george w. Bushs invasion of iraq a decade ago or whatever. What we have is a big gap between what we have so far committed and what weve required to accomplish the mission and the coming debate is how much we increase that commitment. So the strategy is only a couple weeks old and already is it falling apart . It hasnt been tested yet. I mean, i think that the vote was if you like bipartisanship, you will love the vote, because not only was support bipartisan but the opposition is bipart r partisan, when you have ted cruz and Elizabeth Warren on the same side, the no side woodruff different. Different, true, but rand paul is sort of uneasy about the intervention and i think you had an interesting moment with the generals where they were arguing we need more troops, and the president really went out of his way to assert kind of civilian control, and to say, you know, they can say what they want, but i am committed not to putting american Ground Troops, combat troops in. And so, i think the test here i dont think the limits on the president are i political, i dot think the limits on the president are from his own military. The limits are will this strategy work . I think americans basically dont want to commit Ground Troops and, yet, these polls suggest they worry that anything we touch in iraq will not work the way we intended, and theres some reason for them to feel that way. There are two strategies here from the president. The first is we will degrade i. S. I. S. The second is we will not commit Ground Troops. Those two things may not be true. Which one will he choose . Is he going to leave office or is the Islamic State as powerful as it is now . Its not a big invasion of the special Operations Forces. Used to say, planning is everything but plans are nothing. Which means you go in with a strategy but you have to adjust. I suspect there will be a lot of adjustment in ways we cant foresee now. I think a lot depends on how quickly do we expect to get this done, and all the tests run including from the military suggests this is a very longterm operation, and the hope is that not only can you get the Iraqi Military back into a position where they can fight again, but theyre going to try to build, to create these semiNational Guard units. That will take time and its a lot to hang on new National Guard units. But i think theres not a lot of treasure to get this done tomorrow morning, which is why i think he can hold his ground for a while on the combat troops. Woodruff is it wise to rule out Ground Troops, though, before this even begins . I dont think so. I think you have a strategy and then the means to get there. Whether you have Ground Troops or not is the means. The strategy is to degrade i. S. I. S. So you should leave all your means on the table. Doesnt mean you want to do it, but sending special Operations Forces to locate terrorists and things like that, that may be necessary. If you are committed to the mission, then you should have maximum flexibility about having it there. A statement to our allies, particularly the middle east, saying we cant do all this ourselves. We have no intention of doing what we did last time, so you have to step up, too, so there must be something strategic about it as well. Woodruff change the subject to someone who saw herself having hiccups and problems a few years ago when she ran for president over her iraq position. Hillary clinton in iowa this weekend, telling a big grout at the tom harkin final steak fry that, yes, shes thinking about running for president again. Do we learn something from this . Do we learn shes farther down the road . Do we learn anything about whether people want her to run . People do want her to run. Shes a favorite. What we havent learned is what the message is. What shes within saying so far is a message of economic security, basically a standard democratic message. Its not particularly new but may be effective. If im looking at Hillary Clinton, i do think theres going to be opposition on the left in university towns, in the more progressive side, theres clearly a desire for something on the left, and theres the problem of age and the fact that she seems to be from the 1990s. So, to me, the impulse is to be conservative and coast to the nomination, that the imperative is to be new and say were not just going back to the clinton careers, ive got a new theme, a new agenda, a new argument. I think the desire to take risks is one of the way to look at the clinton campaign, is it really a risktaking new thing. Woodruff how do you see that . The fact shes back in iowa is a pretty sure indication shes running because after those caucuses, she never wanted to go back there. She noted she hasnt been there since 2008. And i think she is trying to find for this for 2016 very similar ground to what bill clinton found in 1992, but it doesnt mean its exactly the same ground. Clinton, bill clinton was very good at, on the one hand, being a new democrat, having new ideas, but he still in many ways was an oldfashioned democrat talking about inequality, taxing, and put that together. Doing that in 2016 probably requires Hillary Clinton to be a little tougher on the left side. She has to be tougher on inequality, which she was, and she spoke very strongly about that. Shes talking a lot about women, particularly working class women and what theyre going through, and i think she is trying to create the same thing but, all these years later, it has to be a slightly different tack. Woodruff is she saying enough at this point, david . Is this sort of teasing with a comment every few weeks soar, is that where she ought to be at this point in september of 2014 . Yeah. Wait till the midterm and then you can get serious. I think it would be premature, immature, overmature laughter woodruff we were following her. We had a camera crew and followed her in iowa this weekend. We were there also to cover the senate race, a close race between the democrat and the republican. A few things have happened on the Senate Landscape this week. Theres that race thats gotten a little bit tighter just in the last few days. Kansas, the race that we thought senator Pat Robertson had it in a walk. The ballot changed, the democrats out, ruining against an incumbent. How do you see the Senate Landscape and what does it feel like . This may prove im a selfhating pundit but i love the fact the pundits cant figure it out. You have the complicated mathematical models that say 5 49 the republicans will take over. Thats a very sophisticated way of saying who knows . I think what governs this election overall is republicans hoping and believing president obamas unpopularity is enough to carry them through, and the president is down, but the republicans arent really offering very much, and a lot of these democrats are saying, wait a minute, what would you cut . What kinds of do you have anything for working people who are who have been hammered by this economy . So i think you have an electorate who hands figured out what this campaign is about because i dont think the politicians have figured what its about. I think kansas is a state thats going to be perhaps the most interesting state in the country because you not only have an independent running against a republican andish so, you have a chance of a republican losing for the First Time Since the new deal, but you also have an amazing race, governor brownback where the budgets is in a mess, people worried about cuts in education, the democrats could win that, joe scarborough, former congressman, made a point that in 1978 prop 13 made tax cutting the central republican issue. This might be the first election the republican governor loses because he cut taxes too much. An amazing thing going on. Woodruff do you see things still unsettled in midseptember . We know where they are now but dont know where they will be in six weeks, but i think this pundit has it figured out. We see, clearly, a national tide. You look at the New York Times poll that came out, obama is down, Huge National tide. So fit becomes a National Election which the republicans are trying to make it, they will do well. Against that, you see individual states, some shift in the democratic direction, north carolina, particularly, a shift there, the situation in kansas, a few other places. To me, the bottom line and the democrats are trying to make it a bunch of local races. When you have one party trying to do national, one local, usually the national tends to do better, so i do still think the republicans are likely to take it over, but, you know, that could all shift. The premature punditry laughter woodruff but you think things are still i think one of the striking things in the punditry is people were assaying this is heavy on the republicans. You see it pulling back. Iowa is the case where the race has probably moved a little democratic. A bunch of states where that happened. Georgia, too. The point i would make is there are some states the republicans can pick up. The democrats are defending on so many fronts. They started with three, need three more. Woodruff the two of you are terrific and glad youre here. E. J. Dionne, david brooks, thank you. Woodruff again, the major developments of the day. Secretary of state kerry said there is a role for iran in a coalition against Islamic State militants. But irans foreign minister told the newshour that tehran does not believe the u. S. Is serious about the effort. Shares in the chinese ecommerce giant alibaba began trading on wall street, in the biggest initial Public Offering ever. On the newshour online right now, we turn to our Student Reporting Labs Network to examine how teens are reacting to the recent trend of Domestic Violence cases against high profile n. F. L. Athletes. Students from across the country weighed in when we asked should professional athletes be responsible for modeling Good Behavior . My reaction to the Adrian Peterson sit doesnt surprise me because professional athletes mess up all the time and major athletes like these will mess up sometimes. In my opinion, professional athletes do have an obligation to be role models because, no matter what, someone is going to be looking up to them and whatever the athlete does, their fans will think its okay, whether illegal or good. Hes not a superhero, somebody whos going to be saving the world. Theyre all great players. Theyre football players. Theyre not trying to be anybodys role model. I think the parents have to be their childrens role model so they can teach their kids to be the best they can be. Woodruff all that and more from the student reporting labs on our web site, pbs. Org newshour. To tomorrows edition of pbs newshour weekend looks at the high profits rolling into colorados marijuana businesses. Nine months after Recreational Use was legalized. 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