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Woodruff Syrian Rebels continued to wage a new northern offensive today, warning civilians off a road that serves as a crucial supply route for regime forces. Here in the United States, officials reconsidered their options for how to support the rebels against syrian president bashar alassad. First of all, we cant predict when assad will go. Woodruff at the white house today, press secretary jay carney reaffirmed the administrations position, but the syrian president is on his way out. And president obama will continue to support the opposition. The president s commitment will continue. He believes we need to continue to step up our assistance because of the imperative that assad not be allowed to essentially murder an entire nation. Woodruff talk of steppedup assistance came after the release of a letter written by general martin dempsey, americas highest ranking military officer outlining the pentagons options for going beyond humanitarian aid. Addressed to Senate Armed Services chair carl levin it listed five options, training, assisting and advising the opposition forces, conducted limited air and missile strikes against assad targets. To protect the borders of turkey and jordan. And using a combination of special Operations Forces and Ground Forces to take control of syrias chemical weapons stock piles. These operations could involve thousands of u. S. Troops, cost billions of dollars and the use of force would constitute, quote, no less than an act of war. And he warned once we take action, we should be prepared for what comes next deeper involvement is hard to avoid. The discussion comes as the syrian conflict enters its third year with more than 93,000 people already dead. And millions of refugees in and around syria. Opposition forces have lost ground over the past six months and some have wondered whether lethal support may be too great in come. Too late in coming. Even so, the Washington Post reported today that the house and Senate Intelligence Committee Last week approved Obama Administration plans to ship weapons to the rebels through the c. I. A. According to reports, those arms could get to Syrian Rebels in the next few weeks. For more on possible u. S. Military intervention in syria, im joined by jeffrey white, a former Senior Analyst at the Defense Intelligence agency, now at the Washington Institute for near east policy. And John Mearsheimer, a west point graduate and former air force officer, now a professor at the university of chicago. We thank you both, gentlemen, for being with us. Jeffrey white, to you first. Do you get a sense from reading this letter sent by general dempsey of what the Obama Administration is likely to do . I think were going to see a smallscale commitment of military resources to support the rebels. Nothing large, nothing too lethal. Small arms and ammunition. Maybe not even antitank weapons. My sense is that is a, you know, a slow Movement Towards a potentially greater commitment but nothing really dramatic in the way of arms. Woodruff small arms and ammunition. In fact, in this Washington Post story we just referenced, John Mearsheimer, says thats already whats been approved. What more do you see the administration prepared to do . I dont think the administration is prepared to do anything else. Its very clear from general dempseys letter that the pentagon is opposed to upping the ante in syria. Its very clear from the way president obama has been dragging his feet that he has no interest in intervening in syria either. I think this is the smart policy. We have no strategic interest in what happens in syria. It is not a Vital National interest that is at stake here. Furthermore, when you look at the different strategies that we might employ to try to fix this problem, its quite clear that none of them work. Most of them just make a bad situation even worse. Woodruff jeffrey white, how do you read these five recommendations from general dempsey . I mean ranging from very light assistance, just advising and training the rebels all the way to going in with Ground Forces and securing the chemical weapons. I think he covered, you know, pretty much what is acknowledged as the spectrum of available options. There are some nuances to some of the things he talked about that might be worth exploring. Basically he laid out what it is that people have been talking about for over a year now. He stressed the down side here. The down side risks and the costs. He definitely put a negative spin on what u. S. Intervention could look like, the risks, the costs, the uncertainties involved in intervention. So he definitely gave it a, you know, a we would rather not do this kind of a spin on it. Woodruff based on what you you know, do you think that the administration is close er to making a decision beyond the light arms weve been talking about. I dont think so. I think theyre very reluctant to go with any significant military effort in syria. Thats been the case for a long time. I dont think that has changed dramatically. What we see is a reluctance and a willingness in the face of a lot of pressure to make a minimal commitment. Woodruff John Mearsheimer you said you think the administration doesnt want to get involved based on what you read here, but do you learn any more from looking at this at what they may be weighing . Well, i think that the administration has weighed all the options. You would expect the administration to weigh all the options. When theyve looked carefully at each one of them, its become manifestly apparent that none of them can fix the problem. I think this is a situation where, if we had a magic bullet or we had a magic formula, the administration would probably go in and try to fix the problem. This is how we ended up going into iraq. Most people thought that if we go into iraq with a quick and decisive victory and get out quickly. But that proved to be wrong. If you look at our track record over the past 12 years in iraq and libya and in afghanistan and even in egypt, its hard to believe that anybody would think at this point in time that we could go in and fix the problem with syria which is at least as messy as those four other countries if not messier. Woodruff jeffrey white, what do you think the administration should be doing . What should the United States be doing . I think we shoulding doing more. Ive been an advocate of, you know, serious intervention for over a year. I think we do have Strategic Interests at stake in syria. Its a huge country in the middle of the middle east. Theres enormous humanitarian problem underway there. We see its the playground for hezbollah and other forces opposed to the United States. So we do have interested there. We do have capabilities. To fix the problem in syria i think puts too high a standard on what can be accomplished. But we can do things to change the trajectory of the war. Woodruff be specific. What could be done . At the low end is robust indirect military intervention. That means arms, significant arms. That means training, intelligence, cooperation and help in getting them to articulate and implement a military strategy for the war. They have yet to do that. If necessary it means direct u. S. Military action with our allies. Woodruff on the ground . Not necessarily troops on the ground but we have the capability to strike effectively at the Major Military assets of the regime. Artillery, armor, missiles, aircraft. We could do a lot to change the regimes capabilities from the outside of the country with weapons fired from off shore or by flying over the country itself. Woodruff John Mearsheimer, is that a plan that makes sense to you . No. I want to make two points. First of all, theres no question as general dempsey makes clear in his letter that we have the military capability to shift the balance of power and topple assad. Theres no question about that. But we cannot go in with a light footprint. We would have to go in with a lot of military force because assad is backed by iran, the russians and hezbollah. He has a lot of cards to play. He will be tough to take down. We would have to go in in a big way. Thats point number one. Point number two is toppling him is the easy part. The hard part comes when we have to put the country together and create a stable system so that we can get out. This is exactly the problem that we faced in iraq. There was not much difficulty knocking off saddam hussein. The military part of the story is the easy part. What comes afterwards, the political problem, thats when the trouble starts. When you look at a country like syria and you see the sent trif gal forces in play in that country you see how badly fractured the opposition groups are, its hard to see how this story has a happy ending. Woodruff jeffrey white, what about this argument that its one thing, its doable to topple assad militarily but after it gets much more complicated . Sure. Its messy. Syria is incredibly complex, difficult problem to analyze, to fix, to do anything about. I acknowledge all of those things. But heres the other side of that story. If we dont do anything, what are we going to get . If we dont get ourselves involved were going to get a situation where the regime either fights on against the rebels for a long time. More people die and more disruption, more iranian influence, more hezbollah influence. Or were going to get a regime victory. Does anyone in their right mind want a regime victory in this situation, a regime thats killed upwards of 100,000 people which is supported by the enemies of the United States. Is that what we want . If there isnt effective intervention on the side of the rebels, thats very likely what were going to get. Regime is winning right now. That needs to be changed. And u. S. Intervention could do that. Woodruff all right. We are going to need to leave it there. All right. John mearsheimer very quick response. We live with the assad regime for 43 years. So theres no reason we couldnt live with the assad regime for another 4 years. The idea that its a strategic threat to the United States, i do not believe its a serious argument. Woodruff all right. We will leave it there. John mearsheimer, jeffrey white, we thank you both. Brown we have more on syria later in the program, with a look at the continuing humanitarian crisis. Also ahead, the first pictures of the royal baby; the push to enroll young people in health plans; a program to confiscate legally purchased guns; plus, dementia and sexual consent. But first, the other news of the day. Heres kwame holman. Holman in washington, House Tea Party conservatives and liberal democrats pushed to bar funding for any arms for syrias rebels unless congress approves. Its one of several proposed amendments to a defense spending bill now under debate. The same coalition also wants to rescind the National Security agencys power for blanket collection of data and restrict the agencys phone surveillance program. A final vote on the legislation is expected late this evening. In egypt, fresh street clashes killed at least nine people near the main campus of cairo university. The latest violence between supporters and opponents of ousted leader Mohammed Morsi broke out before dawn, at the site of a Muslim Brotherhood sitin. Police said hundreds of morsi supporters battled with local residents. The confrontations left smashed glass and a dozen charred cars. More than 30 people were wounded. Alqaeda claimed responsibility today for the recent raids on two highsecurity prisons near baghdad. Iraqi Officials Say about 500 inmates escaped, including some top alqaeda militants. Today the areas around the prisons were locked down as police searched for escapees. A suicide bombing in eastern afghanistan today killed three nato soldiers and their interpreter. The taliban claimed responsibility for the attack in wardak province. The nationalities of the Service Members were not immediately released. Pope francis rested and held private meetings during his first full day in brazil, after an eventfilled arrival yesterday. Last evening, throngs of people surrounded the popes car when his driver made a wrong turn, straight into Rio De Janeiro traffic. The pontiff greeted supporters through the car window as bodyguards pushed back the crowd. Vatican officials insisted there were no concerns for the popes safety. Virginia governor Bob Mcdonnell said today hes repaid more than 124,000 in loans he and his family received from a Major Political donor. In a statement, mcdonnell maintained the loans broke no laws, but he apologized for embarrassing the state of virginia. Federal and state authorities are looking into thousands of dollars in gifts given to the governors family since 2010. Anthony weaner apologized today for sending explicit photos and texts to a woman he met online. The gossip site, the dirty, posted their correspondent online monday. The newly revealed incidents took place more than a year after weaner resigned from congress in 2011 for similarly lewd behavior involving half a dozen women. Weaner said he plans to remain in the mayoral race. In economic news, stocks were mixed on wall street today. The Dow Jones Industrial average posted a new closing high, gaining 22 points to close above 15,567. The nasdaq fell 21 points to close at 3579. Former boxing champion Emile Griffith died today in new york after suffering from dementia. Griffith was the first boxer from the u. S. Virgin islands to become world champion. He was inducted into the sports hall of fame in 1990. But hes perhaps best known for the 1962 title match in which he knocked out bennie paret, who went into a coma and died. Emile griffith was 75 years old. Those are some of the days major stories. Now, back to judy. Woodruff and to the first look at britains new prince. Tim ewart of independent Television News reports. Reporter Prince William had been presented on these same steps by his mother, diana, princess of wales. Today 31 years on, there was a new prince and again the most eagerly awaited photograph in the world. He was only 24 hours old and yet to be given a name. But the prince of cambridge, third in line to the throne, was already Commanding Center stage. And his parents were happy to tell us all about him. Hes got a good pair of lungs. Thats for sure. Hes a big boy. Quite heavy. We are Still Deciding on a name. Well have that as soon as we can. The first time youve seen him. So having a proper shot. [ cheers and applause ] very special. As any parent knows. Life will get back to normal now when we get home. [ cheers and applause ] well wait and see. inaudible . Reporter earlier the grandparents came to visit. First michael and carol middleton, kates parents. They were the first to tell the world about the new baby. Hes absolutely beautiful. The birth went really well. Were so thrilled. How are the parents . Well. Amazing. Its all coming back. Reporter and then the prince of wales and the duchess of cornwall, the First Time Since the 1890s that there have been three living direct heirs to the throne. Today they were in the same room. All new parents face the challenge of the car seat, but most dont have to get it secured in front of a live Global Television audience. William and kate managed it well. And then with the new baby in the back and the new father behind the wheel, they set off to start their new life. Brown and we return to our continuing coverage of the many questions and issues surrounding the Health Care Reform law. Tonight, we focus on the pivotal question of enrolling young adults, as deadlines approach this fall. Ray suarez reports. Suarez it was a meeting behind closed doors at the white house yesterday and it included a notable group. Actors like alissa keys, jennifer hudson, all of whom offered their help in trying to sell the Health Care Reform law. Meeting as part of a continuing effort to gain public support for the Affordable Care act and make sure seven Million People enrolled for insurance in the first year. The white house is working on multiple fronts to persuade americans to sign up. That includes more appearances by the president to speak out about the law as he did last week. The senior white house advisor is working on the effort. The first thing to do is raise awareness, making people clear about what the Affordable Care act is and how it benefits them. That began on mothers day. Were going to continue to ramp up through the summer. Suarez under the law individuals must have Health Insurance or pay a penalty beginning in 2014. So far 17 states will offer coverage through their own insurance exchanges. The rest will participate through a federally managed program. Younger, healthier people are critical to balance out the older enrollees who are often sicker and keep costs down. We know that in order for us to be successful, to really make sure that the marketplaces are effective theres a smaller sub set that needs to really be at the center of our focus for outreach. And thats about two million to twoandahalf million young and healthy to 35yearolds. Suarez the challenge now how to convince young people most of whom are healthy to spend money on insurance they may not think they need or can afford. Theres no recent comparable effort to the Insurance Campaign but one that is frequently cited is the rollout of the Prescription Drug program for seniors known as medicare partd under president george w. Bush. Former health and Human Services advisor helped implement partd. He says the Obama Administration is running behind. Its not pulling a lever like in the ballot. Its not a vote. Its a very spencive personal decision. You cant just do that with a celebrity. You just cant do that with a 0second ad. It takes years and thousands of events out in the community to do that. Theyre starting too late. This is a long process. If they dont get it together, its going to fail. Suarez the Health Insurance exchanges are set to open october 1. Suarez we get two views on getting young adults into the Insurance Market and how it may work under the new law. The Deputy Director of young invincibles, a Group Seeking to enroll more americans in their 20s and 30s. And the president of generation opportunity, a group of younger adults opposed to the law. What do we know, what are the main reasons up until now before the Affordable Care act that young people havent bought health care . Well, ray, theres a variety of reasons. One of which is really looking at access to insurance through your employer. So we actually saw through the last decade that insurance rates, offering insurance to young people through their employers the traditional way we think of people getting coverage dropped significantly. We saw a 1 drop in the last decade. When young people dont have coverage through their employer and you have an individual market that frankly was too expensive, then you really do see really high rates of insurance. Suarez evan, in your view, does the Affordable Care act answer any of those things that are keeping people out. Absolutely not. If anything it exasperates those problems significantly. Premiums for Young Americans are going to nearly triple under obama care. It will make Health Insurance that much more expensive for my genera its a terrible deal. Thats why theyre having such a hard time getting young people to enroll. Young people know a bad deal when they see it. Suarez give me your best pitch for people who are going to be faced with this new marketplace starting october 1 for why they should get in. One thing i would add, ray, is is that there are about 19 million uninsured young adults. Of that population about eight million of those could get medicaid if all states extended medicare. Medicaid. Were hoping all states will. Another nine million could get access to subsidies, access to tax credits that you could get every month to bring your insurance cost down. So youre actually looking at rates that are going to be much lower. Take somebody who is, say, a 21yearold going to Community College working part time. He is maybe making 18,000, 20,000 a year and trying to put himself through school at night. Premiums will be 40 50 a month with the subsidies. He can have new options that he never saw before. Suarez are you urging that student, the one that you just posited to stay out of the marketplace and just take the fine or play with all the shortcomings that you identified with the Affordable Care act as it. I mean, i looked at Health Insurance before i came over here. My hometown of pittsburgh pennsylvania. There were 27 Health Care Plans available to me that were under 100 a piece. The private market is still the better option. Young people are going to be used under obama care. Thats the only way it works. Were going to subsidize an older wealthier Generations Health care. We can have affordable options. If we pay the penalty and stay outside the obama care and pay for our own Health Insurance. Even the laws strongest supporters know that the numbers work when you get younger, healthier worker into the pool. Is evan wrong when he concludes that younger rate payors will help subsidize the care of Older Americans . I would add that young people will be buying their own Health Insurance. They will be buying individual insurance. The exchanges is a free marketplace. It will just be for those who are low income. Theyre just going to be getting subsidies to purchase insurance to bring those rates down. Now that is a new system. It will be a new day in Health Insurance. Thats why we know that theres a lot of work to be done to educate people on whats coming. Suarez those plans that evan has referred to as being much cheaper than the ones being offered under the Affordable Care act, do they include all the same kind of coverage as youre going to get in the exchanges . Absolutely not. The state he can changes, the federal exchange will have a broader base of coverage. Theyre going to cover things like preventive care. Saurez theyre required to under the requirement of the bill, right . They are. Theyre required to cover essential health benefits. But again when youre looking at a system where you get a tax credit based on your income to actually purchase those plans you can really see affordable options for the first time for a lot of young people who, a lot of young uninsured people are pretty low income. Suarez evan, arent you making kind of a bet as a young worker that nothing terrible is going to happen to you if you are in a less than comprehensive plan because its cheaper . I dont think so at all. There are far lower premiums. You might have some exposure to in costs but those Insurance Plans are good Insurance Plans that meet our budget and our needs. We dont see the doctors often and dont have many prescriptions as our parents and grandparents. Its not a bad deal for us to buy an Insurance Plan that doesnt have the goldplated benefits that are meant for older sicker people when were younger and healthier. The notion that within the exchange that thats not a bad deal for us, young invincibles themselves pushed back against the secretary during the obama care debate because they were looking for less of an age rating or i should say a looser age rating ban. They knew that young people were going to be charged more than their fair share to subsidize a Health Insurance plan for older, sicker americans. Its unfair and its bad policy. It crushes us in our leanest years by taking more of our hardearned wealth in order to subsidize those that have more than us. Suarez the market opens in several months. That october 1 day is is looming. Are you starting from square one with a lot of people in this age range about what is out there, what it means for them and whats available to them now . I see two challenges. The first challenge i see is making sure that young people who have never or a locality of them have never actually experienced the Insurance Market, again for a variety of reasons, traditionally there werent lowcost options available, really beginning to understand what insurance means. What a deductible is, what a copay is, how that impacts their choices and what choices they decide to make. Thats one piece of it. The other piece of it is really making sure that young people really know their options. So young people actually have a range of options and a range much different types of plans that all meet some of the baseline standards. So theyre going to have to be able to go in and decide what makes sense for them. We need to make sure that were educating young people in all of those things. Suarez if they decide they want to be in the marketplace, they dont have to pull the trigger right away, right . Thats right. Open enrollment this year will start october 1. It will run through the spring. So we do have a sixmonth period and were starting now but we have a sixmonth period to really make sure were educating the population as a whole and certainly young people on new options and whats going to happen. Suarez where does that leave you . I mean, do you enter that same information marketplace and just tell people dont do it . Sure. Theyre trying to dupe Young Americans and saying this is going to be a good deal for you. Somehow thats the crux. Thats how obama care works. If young people take a bad deal and enter the exchanges, well then maybe older individuals can get Health Insurance. Suarez evan, isnt that how insurance works . Dont the people who dont use benefits are in effect helping pay for those who do . No, no, thats not how Health Insurance works at all. Health insurance works by covering you in the event that you need Health Care Services that you wouldnt normally necessarily need. But if. Suarez but if youve paid 10,000 in premiums and get into a 50,000 accident, the money comes from somewhere. Absolutely. Thats why we would encourage Young Americans to provide an insurance policy that would protect them against those kinds of costs. Insurance doesnt work by having young people pay a greater portion than they would otherwise use and older people who are going to necessarily use it. Thats knots insurance. Thats a Wealth Redistribution scheme where young people pay for older sicker people. Thats not at all what Young Americans should be interested in. They should be interested in real Health Insurance that reflects whats best for them and their families. Suarez thank you both. Thanks, ray. Woodruff and now the second in our series of stories this week on efforts to reduce gun violence. Tonight, Spencer Michels reports on a California Program to take away guns who no longer should legally have them. Hey, partner, whats your name . Roy . Roy. Are you on probation right now . Yes, sir. Okay. You live here right now . Okay. Which one is your room . I dont have a room. You dont have a room . Where do you stay . I sleep in the living room. Oka, just do me a favor. While you are here right now, take your hands out of your pockets. Do you have anything illegal on your person . No, sir. I just got out of jail. When did you get out of jail . In march. What were you in the county for . Felony possession of firearms. Is that right . Yes, sir. Reporter on a residential street in sacramento county, kisu yo supervises a team of nine agents from Californias Department of justice looking for guns state records tell them are in the hands of those forbidden from having them. Were going to talk to people that have a Domestic Violence restraining order, people who have been convicted of a felony, people who have Mental Health committments. Reporter these are the people that have legally acquired and purchased firearms legally at one time or another in their life, and since then, they have become prohibited from possessing firearms. California, which has the countrys most comprehensive records of firearm purchases, is the only state sending agents doortodoor, confiscating legally purchased guns from people who later became barred from owning them. Garen wintemute, a professor of emergency medicine at the university of california at davis, specializes in violence prevention, and helped the state develop the armed and prohibited persons system. We spend a great deal of time trying to prevent people who are prohibited already from buying guns. The smart new idea was this what about the other way around . What about somebody whos bought a gun before, legally, and now theyre a prohibited person . And the smart new idea was, lets go take them back. Reporter the goal of the program, which began in 2007, is to prevent gun violence, and headlines like the case of roy perez, a mentally ill man in los angeles who shot to death three people in 2008, despite being on the states armed prohibited persons list. Its a great program. Whenever you take out one firearm off the street, youre making a difference. But when we go out, were taking out five, ten, 20, 30, 40 guns, depending on the night. This right here is an ak47 style Assault Rifle with a 100 round drum magazine that was confiscated last night from napa county from a mentally health committed person. The bottom line is, theyre prohibited from possessing them, so we end up confiscating them and then taking them to jail. Reporter over the last six years, agents have seized more than 10,000 guns from around the state, and records show there are 40,000 more still out there. Agents use an Automated System which compares the states massive database of people who have purchased guns legally with other databases that record every felony and violent misdemeanor conviction, involuntary Mental Illness confinement, or temporary restraining order. The results can be impressive. All the firearms on this table have been confiscated in the last six months. This is a. 500 caliber revolver. Its the most powerful handgun known to us. Reporter but its tricky work. Since Law Enforcement isnt sure where the guns are today many people on the list purchased their guns years ago the agents usually dont have the probable cause needed to obtain search warrants, so they use persuasion to gain access. If firearms are discovered that are registered to the person, an arrest can be made. Gun enthusiast gene hoffman, chairman of cal guns foundation, says he supports the aim of the gun confiscation program, but he has Serious Problems with the ways agents go about looking for the weapons. I think they should be able to convince a judge that theres reasonable suspicion or probable cause, because firearm possession in the home is one of those protected fundamental rights. He also thinks the program is simply ineffective because agents cant force people to let them search their homes. You need a warrant to search someones house, so the people who most have something to hide can simply say no thank you and close the door in the face of these agents. Reporter despite such skepticism, californias program has been cited as a possible model for other states seeking to prevent gun violence in the wake of recent national tragedies. Statewide, the program employs 33 agents, but this spring it got a big boost when the legislature approved an additional 24 million to more than double the number of agents looking for guns. California attorney general Kamala Harris had lobbied for the additional money because the backlog was growing, and the agents couldnt keep up. Were going to eliminate the backlog within the next three years. Hey, guys, can you do me a favor . Can you all go inside . Reporter agents search for prohibited guns almost every day throughout california. Its a timeconsuming and expensive operation. Sometimes they find guns, and sometimes they dont. On a recent evening we rode along as agents went to 13 residences. No guns were found. Most of the people they were looking for had moved away, some several years ago. We do the best we can to find the most current addresses. Sometimes we find theyve given us false addresses. We have to do a lot of follow ups on the back end to obtain or locate the subjects. Moved to arkansas. Copy that. Moved out of state to arkansas. Reporter some guns rights advocates, Like Northern california Gun Store Owner roman kaplan, dont oppose the concept of getting guns out of the hands of criminals or the mentally ill, but hes skeptical the program will do much good in preventing shootings, as in connecticut. Its always hysterical reaction, its always kneejerk reaction. After anything happens, theres this kneejerk reaction. It usually doesnt lead to anything; its just a way for politicians to show that we do something. Reporter kaplan is annoyed that people who want to purchase a gun legally at his store are saddled with a 25 background check fee which is being used to pay for the new agents. With all the limitations put by california legislation on legal gun owners, it doesnt make any sense. It doesnt make anyone safer. Reporter hoffman, a high tech entrepreneur, says he has concerns about the accuracy of the databases used by the state. But his main problem is who is not being targeted criminals in highcrime areas. I dont necessarily think that these raids are capturing the types of criminals that are most likely to cause problems with firearms. It would be far more valuable for these folks to be following up on straw purchases in places like east oakland and compton. This is where most of the firearms are getting into the hands of the truly violent. Reporter but violence Prevention Expert wintemute says the state is now targeting individuals who are more likely to commit a crime. The risk for doing another crime is highest immediately after that first crime has been committed, and it goes down with the time thereafter. We need to go after everybody the new felons, and the new violent misdemeanors, and the people whove just been served with Domestic Violence restraining orders, and the people whove just been hospitalized because a Mental Health professional has determined that they are a danger to themselves or to somebody else, and now theyve been released. Reporter experts say it is impossible to know exactly how many guns in california have been purchased illegally, or brought in from out of state. Still, the agents who put on their flak jackets and walk up to unfamiliar doorways contend they are making a difference, getting guns out of the hands of those they know shouldnt have them. Brown out next story comes from inside san quentin prison, where some violent offenders are learning to be peacemakers. And online, see just how many illegal firearms california has confiscated since 2007. The details are on our home page. Woodruff and we come back to the civil war in syria. Its triggered a massive humanitarian crisis for the countrys 20 Million People. Margaret warner has that story. Warner according to the united nations, more than four Million People are displaced inside syria. An estimated three million more have fled the neighboring countries. But the u. N. Reports it doesnt have enough International Funding to meet the needs. Secretary of state john kerry met in washington today with the chiefs of the u. N. s humanitarian agencies and had this to say. We are having to move people directly and protect people. We intend to have a very indepth, solemn discussion today about whether we can meet our obligations to human beings who are in huge danger. Warner for more we turn to ann richard assistant secretary of state for population refugees and migration and nancy lindberg, assistant administrator of the u. S. Agency for International Development in charge of conflict and humanitarian assistance. Both have been to the region in the past month and both were in todays meeting. Thank you both for coming in. Nancy, ill begin with you. This humanitarian crisis has been going on for a couple of years now. Why did secretary kerry feel the need to convene all these important people from the u. N. Agencies here today . You know, primarily an opportunity to hear directly from them how the crisis is proceeding and one of the thoaft important statements said, this is no longer just a syrian crisis. This is really a regional crisis. And the humanitarian dimensions are no longer just an outcome of the war. They are their own crisis with the level of needs escalating, and the amount of misery as people flee the country, flee their homes inside syria continues to increase. Warner what would you add to that . They had a good understanding of the problem. So we were able to get right down to business and talk about what else was needed. Warner lets talk about what else was needed. Ill start with you, nancy. What are the challenges and the dangers of delivering aid in a conflict zone like syria you have opposing forces, two even three or more controlling different parts of territory. How do you do it . Well, the challenges, as you said, are really threefold. One is the inability to access everybody who is in need. Second is the insecurity. We heard stories today and we are hear it constantly from our partners that the check points as they try to move from one place to another continue to proliferate. Along one road there were 65 check points manned by various factions and both the regime and the opposition. So it comes down to extraordinarily courageous humanitarian workers. We work with a whole variety of partners. The u. N. , n. G. O. S, and the majority of them are syrians who are actually on the ground helping friends and neighbors. Warner and how do you actually navigate through these different zones . You spoke earlier this year about having to send in a heavily armed convoy making complicated negotiations to be able to do it. Theyre not so much heavily armed as they are heavily armed with information about who they need to negotiate with. So its understanding the terrain, having the ability to call the person who can tell that check point this is a humanitarian convoy. Let them go by. But it can take days. It can take four days to travel what should be a threehour roadway. Warner and then administrator richard, what about. I mean, secretary richard, what about the situation though in lebanon and jordan . Lets take two of the neighboring countries bearing a huge burden. You dont have an access problem there. So what are the big obstacles to delivering enough aid . Thats right. People are coming out of syria, crossing the borders, because while some aid is getting delivered inside syria its still a very dangerous place. So theyre safer if they cross to other countries. But there, they have to find places to live. There are tents for about a quarter of the refugees, but most refugees are living in cities and towns and villages. Theyre living with friends. Theyre living with relatives or theyre living with strangers or paying rent. So they need help too but theyre harder to find and theyre harder to help. Warner how dire are the needs or how unmet are the needs . The u. N. Said in announcing this new request just what, last month, for more money, that they were like three billion short i think just toward the end of the year. What isnt getting done . The scope of this crisis is so big, it grew so quickly and the numbers are just unanticipated and quickly rising. So as a result, were constantly playing catchup to provide the assistance that people need. Warner but are people going hungry now . No. The u. N. Has done a great job in getting help to people that need the help. But the problem is that we dont see it stopping any time soon. And the longer this goes on, the more acute people peoples needs are. They run through their savings. They become a burden on the people who are hosting them. Theres the ponlt of tensions with Host Communities in countries like jordan and lebanon where theyre expecting their government to help them and they see refugees getting aid. One of our approaches that we endorse is to help local citizens as well as the refugees. Anybody who needs help, the idea is is to get them the help that they need so that they continue to host the refugees. Warner what if anything came out of todays meeting in terms of getting more funding, getting. I know the United States has given a third of the funding so far but getting other countries to step up more. And in general trying to get ahead of this curve . The United States is currently the Worlds Largest donor to the crisis. And one important outcome was a renewed commitment to connect with a variety of donors including those who dont typically give to the multilateral system. This is going to be an International Effort if we are going to succeed in providing assistance. Its fair to say that some countries and i mention the gulf countries, sometimes there have been big pledges but not in that . Well, the u. N. Agencies gave us a more rosey picture on the funding from the conference that we attended and represented the United States at last january. They felt that in the subsequent time not only had the United States met our pledges but also kuwait had provided 300 million through u. N. Agencies and international organizations. And europeans had made major contributions. So the trick that we have to address is finding new donors, new countries to come to the table and provide aid. Thats where a diplomatic outreach is really needed. Warner we have to leave it there. Thank you so much. Thank you, margaret. Brown its not a subject much discussed not in public but its growing increasingly consequential as babyboomers age, and the incidence of alzheimers grows. The issue is sexual relations, dementia, and what constitutes consent, and it has Nursing Homes struggling with ethical, legal and practical questions. Brian gruley of Bloomberg News has recently written two in depth reports on the subject, and joins us now you tell the story of a case. You tell the story of a case that occurred at a nursing home in iowa called windmill manor that shows how unprepared institutions are for dealing with this. A man and a woman, not married to one another, are discovered in bed once and then again. Tell us briefly what happened from there. Well, it was the second incident, jeff, that really triggered things because they were actually having intercourse. The woman was married to somebody on the outside. The man was divorced. Both of them had dementia to some degree. The results of this was catastrophic for some people. The man was eventually removed from the home. His family then had to drive almost two hours to visit him. The administrator was fired. Hes no longer an Elderly Health care. The nursing director was fired and eventually lost her license. And it just didnt end well for anybody. Even though these two people appeared to like each other. Brown the issue, of course, was what is consensual and then, what needs to report, to be reported to whom. You show how these questions simply are not clear. Thats right. I mean, the laws and they vary from state to state the laws obviously deal with issues of rape. They deal with issues of, to some degree, of how much privacy that people who want to be together in Nursing Homes have. But there arent very clear guidelines. Many Nursing Homes and other longterm care facilities who are financially strapped anyway, you know, they havent really had to deal with this. But the coming bubble of baby boomers over the age of 65 may well force them to come to grips with these issues. Theyre very complex. And, you know, even people who are experts in geriatrics will say its difficult to tell whether somebody with dementia would have the right or the capacity to consent to sex. They might have that capacity even though they dont know how to, say, balance their checkbook. Brown in this particular case that you write about and we should say you withheld the names of the people out of respect for their privacy but you say that the woman called the man by her husbands name and was calmed by his presence. There was an intimacy there clearly. It wasnt clear what she knew at the time. So that led to some of the questions. Thats right. You know, maybe i missed it in the hundreds of pages of disok euments i read, jeff, but i couldnt find a reference to the various authorities at the nursing home and in the state regulatory agencies ever asking the man or the woman what they thought. Maybe they just didnt trust them because they had dementia. But the question remains, you know, were they exercising their own right to intimacy . The truth is they have a right to this. Obviously they also have a right to safety if theyre uncomfortable in a situation like that. But what evidence there is and we dont know because we werent in that room the evidence is that, you know, they kind of liked each other. Brown now your second report, you write about some Nursing Homes that are taking a rather different approach. One in particular you wrote about is hebrew home in new york where you say. You say presumes that residents with dementia have the capacity to decide whether to have sex. A more encouraging of intimacy including sex . Yes. The hebrew home back in 1995 recognized the fact that people were being intimate, whether its hand holding or kissing or fondling or all the way to intercourse. It was happening whether they wanted to admit it or not. And if the folks there decided, lets confront this head on and so they wrote a policy that helped staff know what to do, what to look for to make sure that residents, including those with dementia, including those without, were comfortable in those relationships. Thelie belief being that not only did they have a right to these relationships just as they would on the outside but its good for these people particularly those who have dementia and may have lost touch to some degree with family or friends and that feeling of closeness with somebody else, the feeling of touch, is a gift later in their life. Brown very briefly, if you would, to the extent that this is becoming a bigger issue, is there more talk about it . Is there more being done with guidelines and standards . I think theres more talk about it now, jeff, than there was even five years ago. And hopefully these stories and some of the conversation theyve generated will make Nursing Homes think about it more and will get researchers to do more research into this because the numbers are what the numbers are. And theyre big. Theyre going to have to deal with this as this generation, my generation moves into their late 60s and 70s and 80s. Brown bryan gruley of bloomberg, thanks so much. Thank you. Woodruff again, the major developments of the day. The pentagon gave a grim assessment of u. S. Intervention options in syria, warning any military involvement would come at a great cost and risk. A new wave of street clashes in egypt killed at least nine people at a Muslim Brotherhood sitin near the main campus of cairo university. 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