Transcripts For KQED Charlie Rose The Week 20160625

And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications rose and so you began how . Joyous rage. Rose is it luck at all or is it Something Else . Well, thats the milliondollar question. Rose whats the object lesson here . It requires cooperation. Rose tell me the the significance of the moment. Rose of this the week the people of britain voted to leave the european union. The congress grappled with gun control. And the Cleveland Cavaliers delivered that city its first championship title in 52 years. Here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. Hillary clinton may be the most corrupt person ever to seek the presidency. Hes going after me personally because he has no answers on the substance. applause rose the Supreme Court upholds affirmative action. The University Affirmative Action upheld by the u. S. Supreme court. The justices voting 43. The Supreme Court dealing a big blow to president obamas plan to block deportation for undocumented ipgrant. I think it is heartbreaking for the millions of imgrant who make their lives here. An officer was acquitted in the murder of freddie gray. It was a packed courtroom and a very tense courtroom. Three people tried to get into new york with a van full of loaded weapons. Rose democrats shut down the house. We will occupy this floor. This isnt trying to come up with a solution to a problem. This is trying to get attention. Rose cleveland comes back to take the n. B. A. Title. Its over its over cleveland is a city of champions once again. Byebye love the british people have voted to leave the european union. This is a difficult moment for both side. Its a victory against the big merchant banks, against the big businesses, and against big politics. Rose led zeppelin wins in a california court. A jury in america has just ruled that led zeppelin did not steal the famous chords of stairway to heaven. The artist cristoses floating pier make a splash in italy. They say you walk across and it feels like you are on a rocking poet. Rose we begin the week with the historic news out of britain would they say or would they go . We now have the answer by a 5248 margin. The british people voted thursday to leave the european union. The results have already caused Prime Minister David Cameron to resign, rig nighted scotlands independence movement, and upset world financial markets. For more we turn to our panel. People were sick and tired of having 60 of their laws made in brussels and all the judges appointed by foreigners who were going to decide on the the legality of those laws and decided to take back our independence. Rose is that why you supported it so hopeful . Oh, totally, yes, absolutely. I never expected today would ever happen in my lifetime so im completely thrilled it has. Rose david . I think its a very sad day for britain. I think its a very bad day, obviously, for europe because this isnt the end of the story. And i think it does speak to a real indictment of the Political Leadership center right and center left, that has clearly lost the confidence of a lot of the public. And the fact that the campaign was defined as a revolt against experts, a revolt against reason. Rose john . Im afraid im in the sad and bad category as well. I agree with that. I think were now going to have quick divorce as quickly asdo. Possible. And on the other side you have the british saying, no, we want time. It is highly likely nothing will begin until after october. They probably wont file article 50 until then. When it start, then its two years from then. So you have a very long period of uncertainty, and during that period, that is exactly what markets hate. David what, do you think . So i think the real worry now for the leaders of whatever British Government emerges out of this is the british people have sent a very clear signal. Theyve given a mandate for something that hasnt happen. If you look at sunderland, voted early, sent shock waves through the international market, singlehandedly plunged the pound. They are home to a nissan plant making Japanese Cars which can be sold freely in the european market. So voters i suspect saying they want an end to foreigners, particularly europeans, having Free Movement into the companied k. , but they certainly want to carry on selling their cars in europe as before. They want the same prosperity and free trade as before but not Free Movement of workers and i dont think they can have both, and i dont think any politician, including Boris Johnson of the brexit campaign, can deliver that for them now. Rose in domestic politics this week, donald trump turned up the heat in the president ial race. In a speech wednesday, he said, Hillary Clinton may be the most corrupt person ever to seek the presidency of the United States. The fiery turn and rhetoric came amid news that the campaign is reportedly facing major financial issues. And earlier this week, trumped fired his campaign manager. Our panel has more. Theyre trying to paint themselves as the change candidate, whereas Hillary Clinton is the status quo candidate, the worst pol the worst of politics, the worst of washington, somebody who is only going to make things worse north change anything. And this is what they believe is going to be able to potentially turn over independents to their side, Bernie Sanders supporters you heard them make an appeal to Bernie Sanders supporters and who they believe are soft democrats who may not like Hillary Clinton. Rose have you seen anything like this . I wasnt around for the Teddy Roosevelt rematch in 1912. This is certainly going to be the lincolndouglas debates. It will be more like the fights, and before were over with this there will be two of the most unpopular candidates running for president. Rose will it come down to who can make a referendum to the other . Im sure it is. The critical thing is does he have the resources in the next three or four weeks, which is very critical. Theyre going to try to define him with 20 million, 30 million in negative advertising, do what we do with john kerry with the efforts of bush and do what they did the last time with romney. Rose in both cases they did it before the convention. This is a very important time. This is a key period right now. I think hes got no financial resources. Hes got no organization. He doesnt clearly have the performance down, meaning every other every third or fourth day in his general daytoday performance he says something that set the campaign back. Its hard for me if we were in january or february, it would be one thing. Were almost in july. The the idea in the next few months that he can pull this together, im highly skeptical. Rose theyre really going for the kill right now to do what in fact was done to mitt romney and do what was done to thats absolutely fair to say. The Trump Campaign knows this. The the staffers behind the scene know this. Theres a problem rehaig that message to donald trump himself. The family knowsth this. They have been trying to tell him this over and over again. The recent drop in polls was a real wakeup call for him that things need to change. Is he going to be able to change . Well, thats the milliondollar question. Rose the Supreme Court handed down five decisions this week, two of which will affect large numbers of minorities. In the first, the court upheld affirmative action, which has long benefitted minority applicants to colleges and universities. But in the second, the court amas controversialsident immigration reforms. Adam liptack say Supreme Court correspondent for the New York Times. The effect of this 44 tie was to leave in place a federal Appeals Court decision that blocks the program and it effectively ends any chance of reviving the program while president obama is in office and raises real questions about whether this immigration overhaul will ever come into being. Even as the court did almost nothing and set no Supreme Court precedent, it had enormous practical cons againsts. Rose and for his legacy it is what . Its a real setpack for him. Its something that the administration felt can confident wasful. Loswas lawful. Thought they had a shot in the Supreme Court and ended up with a 44 deadlock. Rose so what can they do now, nothing . Well, the case will go on in the the lower courts, and sooner it might find its way back to the Supreme Court, but that will attack a year or two. And a lot can happen in the meantime. But it may be that eventually a ninemember Supreme Court with either Hillary Clinton or donald trump appointee on it will have another look at this question. Esident obama has left office. Yes. There seems to be nothing or vanishingly little that can be done before november. Rose let me turn to affirmative action. Whats the historic significance of that decision . This is big. This is a 43 decision upholding an affirmative action plan at the university of texas, written by justice kennedy, who has basically been a skeptic of affirmative action, has never before voted to uphold an affirmative action plan, and the basic message of the decision is that its okay. Ce as one factor among many inof deciding whom to admit to their colleges and universities. This is done. This is over. This is something that will be with us for a long time, this thick that University Admissions Officials Say they really need and want is something the Supreme Court has now said they can do. Rose we turn now to gun control. It has been playing out on capitol hill all week. Beginning on wednesday, democrats conducted a 24hour sitin, demanding the house vote. Speaker paul ryan recessed the house without taking those votes. Karl holtz, of the New York Times has been following the story. Is the assessment now that the democrats helped their case because of this . I think they helped their case publicly with the public, and, honestly, with themselves, you know. They were happy that they took on this challenge. I think they got a lot of attention, but i dont think theyre going to get a measure through the house. Ryan was pretty clear. It got voted down in committee earlier. I dont think thats going anywhere. And i dont think that republicans are going to be in a mood to give them more of what they want. They dont want to reward this. I think its going to continue to be a confrontation. Rose and the republicans did not evaporate to have a vote simply because they did not want to be on record in a heated atmosphere after orlando . I think republicans, they voted pretty overwhelmingly in the committee to reject this. I think there are a lot of republicans who wouldnt mind taking this vote and in some ways people on the hill saying the speaker might have defueled this earlier if he had let people do it. Most of these guys are pretty clear about their progun stance. I dont know that theyll give it to them now after this. There are going to be a lot of bad feelings over this. Rose what will it change in terms oaf will it change and somehow make the house, if it could possibly be, more fractious . Yeah, i think it could do that. There were a lot of republicans this is congress. Majorities dont like to see their majority sort of taken away by the minority through tactics like this. You know, there were a lot of people who were pretty mad about it. Yeah, i dont think its going to increase comedy, as they say, in the house. No, i think theres going to be further fallout, but i think democrats are happy. Theyre going they know they cant win this vote in the house anyway, so they might as well push it and make a scene. And thats what they did and they were happy about it. Rose where does the Susan Collins pill stand . So the collins bill was interesting. In a way she won. She got 52 votes. She got a majority not to table her bill to use the Senate Parliamentary parlance. And she probably would have 54 votes, which would have been the most of any this week. But Dianne Feinstein and Bernie Sanders werent there today. Shes got 54 vote. It looks good in a way. They didnt kill it. But its going nowhere right now. She has to get to 60 and show she can produce 60 votes. It was a very interesting vote. There was oldfashioned armtwisting on the floor going on as Susan Collins, ellie ayotte, and others to try to convince some of the republican colleagues to get on board. Dan coates, is one. He ended up voting with them. She didnt lose, but victory is a ways away. Lindsey graham, who has voted with Susan Collins and is pretty outspoang, hes willing to break from the n. R. A. A little bit. He said what could make a movement is another terrorist attack. Its that sort of thing. I think that, you know, its just there for a while, and its but its not moving. Its not moving at this point. Rose joe biden is the 47th Vice President of the United States and twice a candidate for the democratic nomination for president. As a senator, he twice served as a chairman of the Senate Committee on foreign affairs. This week, he delivered a key speech on foreign policy. It was highly critical of Donald Trumps approach to International Affairs notably, his attacks on islam. I sat down with the Vice President in washington shortly after his speech on monday. Theres 1. 5 billion muslims in the world. If we make the religion the enemy, where the hell do you think were going to get the cooperation . Rose but is that what donald trump is doing, in your judgment . Yes. Rose so if you were running against him, you like political battle. You like the battle of ideas. What would be your case . What would be your campaign . Its a different world, charlie. Its one thing and we have to continue to be worried about major regional actors russia, china, others, iran but what people are most worried about are the stateless actors, those elements from failed state that are generating extremist ideologies and organizations. That is not met with a standing army. That is met with an intensive interlocking of intelligence organizations, willingness to train those governments and those countrieses that in fact are trying to establish themselves the first time with the capacity to deal internally with these extremist elements. That all requires cooperation. What good does it do if fallujah is free and ramadi is freed and cleared, and the devastation left behind in those sunni towns, we dont help rebuild those towns. Another Extremist Group will pop up. So what are we doing . We cant pay for all of it ourselves. So were going to donors. Were convincing the japanese, you know, the europeans and others, help rebuild those towns. Help rebuild them. So you can provide some stability. Help train the forces in iraq and other places to be able to deal with this kind of extremism. As i said and everybody laughed, but tom friedman, who i think is pretty good, a good friend, he wrote a long time ago, if you dont visit a bad neighborhood, it will eventually visit you. Rose there are those who argue, look, weve had a problem ke mubarak and gaddafi andrs like saddam, and its come back, and we might ask the question would we have been better off if they stayed . Lets take libya. Rose saddam, gaddafi, mubarak . Absolutely. I argued strongly against going to libya. To libya. My question was, okay, tell me what happens . Hes gone. What happens . Doesnt the country disintegrate . What happens then . Doesnt it become a place where it becomes a petri dish for the growth of extremism . Tell me. Tell me what were going to do. Rose and it has. And it has. Rose and isil is pouring in people to build a stronger force. Yeah. And so, so, look, i mean, i think heres the thing i am charlie, i dont think we should use force unless it meets certain basic criteria. Is it in the National Security of the United States . Are our interests directly threatened, number one our or allies . Number two, can we use it efficaciously, will it work . And number three, can it be sustained . Now i can take you to any part of the world and put in two, 300,000, or 150,000 troops. We can absolutely end the carnage but were there. My dad used to have an compression. Hed say, joey if everything is equally important to you, nothing is important to you. Tell me, what are our greatest concerns in terms of our existential existence . Well, i would argue whether pakistan collapses as a nuclear state. Whether or not north korea decides to use nuclear weapons. Whether or not china decides to become rogue, and theyre not now. Whether russia continues to challenge borders in europe. They are existential concerns. Is it a concern that there is a bad guy in africa or in the middle east . Yes. It is a concern. But what is within our wheelhouse to do . And can we solve every problem around the world . And so i think we dont often ask enough, and we didnt ask enough in the beginning, about okay, i know what the first step is and the second step. Whats the third and fourth steps. Rose is that the fear you have in syria today . Yes. Yes. Rose you dont know if you if you take out assad, you do not know what will follow. Thats part of it. But, by the way, to take out assad now, youre talking on russia and iran. Russia has significant amount of firepower this. Russia has imposed a radar system that coferredz a significant portion covers a significant portion of the country. Youre going noog and take out the russian facilities . Youre going to take out and take on russian aircraft there . We can do it. We will succeed. But can we do it. Rose i have taken way more time. Your entire staff will hate me. Bubut you told me i could take s much as i want. Youre the best. An actual conversation, and i appreciate that. Rose thank you, mr. Vice president. Rose noo in 1921, the largely fordpoant musical shuffle along premiered on broadway. It was one of the first hit shows to be act, written and directed by african americanss. Now a new Broadway Musical called shuffle along, or the making of the musical sensation in 1921, and all that followed pays homage to the original. It was nominated for 10 tony awards. It was written and directed by george c. Wolf, and choreographed by savon gloverrer. The most challenging thing about creating a musical is making sure the buoyancy maintains no matter what. Even when you have Something Like anytime west side story or sweeney todd the energy of buoyancy has to push it all the way through. All the way to the curtain. There is a story that huby blake tells that George Gershwin lifted the note of i got rhythm from a pit player after sheeg shuffle along. He lifted those notes and he stole them. Im not saying what he did. Im not saying that he didnt. Rose somebody said it. Huby plac said it. It became an interesting thing. And it becomes a tap dance that savon choreographed of him playing the instrument, and him dancing out the fact in theory somebody lifted his notes. And he becomes gilbert said shuffle along is filled with joyous rage and this number becomes a manifestation of that. Rose how about this . This is from chris jones writing in the Chicago Tribune its extraordinary. Its an extraordinary statement. When i first met with odd real estate mcdonald they asked her to join the show. I told her, you and i have come along at this time where we have extraordinary options. These people had none so they had to carve out one. And their expagz their joy, and their love and their defiance were the weapons that they used to carve out this space. And they created something that was so extraordinary and something that was celebrated. And then it went away. And then it went away. The show was so popular at the time, that fanny bryce went to the producers and begged them to add a wednesday midnight show so that everybody else on broadway could come see it. Rose is this something you just dived into and said, man, i gotta find out everything . I gotta learn everything . I got to really get engaged by this . Not only by the show but the invitation. Rose you mean its a big deal to work for george wolf . Its sort of if he calls you might want to answer. laughter it was just a matter of me wanting to just be gak of back in the room with him be in the room . Yeah, be in the room and learn and work and have fun, whatever it was going to be, i knew it was going to be successful within. And im just proud so he was right by not letting you perform in the beginning. To be determined. laughter rose sheer a look at the week ahead sunday is new york citys pride march. Monday is the the first day of the 130th wimbledon tennis championship. Tuesday is comedian mel brooks 90th birthday. Wednesday is the day president obama attends the the north American Leadership summit. Thursday is the day the 25th rim Pacific Naval exercise will be held in the hawaiian islands. Friday is the weighin for the annual nathans 4th of july International Hot dog eating contest on new yorks coney island. Saturday is the start of the 103 Tour De France bicycle race. And here is whats new for your weekend. Matthew mcconaughey in theaters in the civil war drama free state of jones. Last time i checked, a gun dont care who was pulling the trigger. Rose cameron crows new Series Premieres on showtime on sunday. Its my opinion in life you need two things to survive oxygen and family. Rose and the annual dplafton bury Music Festival runs all weekend in hilton, england. And i wont let this moment pass us by pass us boy rose thats charlie rose the week for this week. On behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. Im charlie rose. 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