Dont, this appears like it could be headed toward some sort of outside, even a, you know either a select committee or some kind of outside investigation. Glor we continue with p. J. Orourke whose new book is called how thet hell did this happen . The election of 2016. Populism can end upping with William Jennings brian, incompetent and kind of funny and comic, or it can end up the way it did so many places between world war i and world war ii, it can wind up really, really ugly. Im hoping were having, you know, history occurs first as tragedy ad then again as comedy. I hope thats whats going on at the moment, but im not laughing really hard. Glor we conclude with legendary french filmmaker agnes varda, she talked about her life and decades career with filmmaker molly haskell. Were doing cinema more than telling that story and another one. Trying to make the cinema be like the painting at the louvre. Telling stories like coming from a book or from a place. Glor politics and agnees varda when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Glor good evening, im jeff glor filling in for charlie rose. President trump is mired in controversy again. Jeff sessions recused himself from any investigation into charges russia meddled in the 2016 president ial election. This followed new revelations that sessions met with russias ambassador to the u. S. In the leadup to novembers election. Sessions addressed the situation at a News Conference late yesterday afternoon. I have now decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigation of any matter relating in any way to the campaign for president of the United States. I went on to say this announcement should not be interpreted as confirmation of the existence of any investigation or suggestive of the scope of any such investigation. Glor several Top Democrats called for sessions to resign, President Trump remained stoutly behind him. Joining us from washington is Eric Lichtblau of the New York Times and Karen Tumulty of the washington post. Thank you both for joining us. Karen, let me start with you, whats next on the sessions front . Well, i think what is next is what has been going on all along which is sort of the drip drip of more and more reports of contacts of people in the president s circle with the russians or with russian officials. Whats really surprising i think at this point, and perhaps it is a reflection of the fact that the white house is populated primarily is Campaign Aides and not sort of seasoned washington hands, is that the trump team seems to have not sort of gotten its arms around what the facts are here you know, who had contacts, how many and if they dont, this appears like it could be headed toward some sort of outside, even a, you know either a select committee or some kind of outside investigation. There is talk on the hill, i dont know how far that would get, about the need for some kind of special prosecutor in this. But unless the white house and the president can get ahead of all these revelations it is going to turn into something bigger. Glor is this why theyre not getting ahead of it is because theyre not tin siders . I think that is one explanation because, of course, you know, the first impulse, the first rule in the playbook on a campaign is if somebody hits you, you hit them back. I think people who have been around these sorts of issues from the perspective of having been in government for them know the first thing you do is get your facts straight. I think the other problem here is the president s tendency to personalize big issues with big implications. So he has framed this in tweets in his statements as some sort of beefing of democrats over the fact they didnt win the election as opposed to an actual threat to the security of the country. He hasnt denounced the russians, he hasnt talked about getting to the bottom of this, he hasnt talked about how the United States should respond. Another rule is, if you know there is something bad out there, you try to put it out on your own terms in the first place, but, as you mentioned, if you dont know it in the first place, you cant put it out to debin with. Eric, lets talk about the circle of russian contact. Karen mentioned it obviously is just wider than just Jeff Sessions. How wide is that circle right now . Well, were learning more every day about Trump Campaign people who had contacts with russian officials. Jeff sessions was the big one this week. Michael flynn two weeks ago was fired for not being candid about his relations with the famed ambassador, with kislyak. Carter page was another. Gordon. As karen said, drip, drip, drip. Thats certainly the daily impact of all this. Its notable i think, mostly, because of all the denials from the white house, from trump himself and his aides that there have been any contacts. They have been categorical for weeks with, even before the inauguration, saying there were no contacts, period,s th,s the e news, this is a ruse. Now you have these contacts coming out which, for instance, Jeff Sessions explains as nothing insidious. There is always, you know, the axiom in washington that the coverup is worse than the crime if they had been more forthright and perhaps had let us known as karen suggests that these contacts had happened, they could have gotten out ahead of it. Now it looks like they were denying something thats turning out to be true. Weve all seen the pictures of sergey kislyak. Tell me about him, if you could, eric. Hes a longtime washington president , been the ambassador for nine or ten years. Hes known for excellent parties, cognac, et cetera, and knows how to work washington in terms of going to washington events, inviting prominent people, current arounds, past ambassadors, feature ambassadors from the u. S. , so the embassy, also to the russian version of camp david outside maryland where he hosted fabulous parties. The last few months with all the talking about russias meddling in the election has caused a little bit of a chill with people being less willing to socialize or take meetings with him and Jeff Sessions has now found that out himself. Glor karen, the word spy is thrown around and the russians push back on that severely. How do we describe what cergy kislyaks role and job is. Well, certainly the rumors have long been out there that he is either a spy recruiter or obviously gathering intelligence himself. Lets face it, that is, in fact, part of an ambassadors job is to learn as much as possible. So youre right, the russians are pushing back against that. Theyre saying he is, you know, a topnotch diplomat, not a spy. But again, this has been sort of the reputation he has had in especially in intelligence circles in washington. I dont think it matters whether he is really a covert spy and there have been denials he probably isnt, but hes outwardly gathering intelligence. He doesnt have to sneak around in the shadows in alleys. He is meeting with prominent Washington People and no doubt passing reports back to moscow. Theyre going to end up in the hands of intelligence agencies about, hey, i just met with senator sessions who is the key Foreign Policy advisor for the republican nominee. Whether he is officially a spy or not is almost irrelevant. Part and parcel of his job is his meeting with lawmakers, whatever side of the aisle theyre on and whether that contact is inappropriate or not. The we were all asking in washington is whether these contacts were evidence of something more sinister, was there collusion was the word the democrats keep using. Was there just contact which, of course, has been denied for a long time, or was there some more active engagement during the election season wean, remember, the russians were actively hacking into the d. N. C. Emails and John Podestas emails and giving those to wikileaks and doing serious harm to the election. Was there anyone in the Trump Campaign that knew about or was involved in that effort . Thats the ultimate question here. Because, karen, the one kislyaksessions meeting in september was at the very end and in the primary heat of this campaign, correct . Yeah, but i really think that, you know, had he been forthright about this in his confirmation hearing when he was, after all, under oath, had he been forthright about this, had he said, you know, i had this meeting, but it was just in the course of my duties as a senator and we talked about Foreign Policy, it might have caused a stir for a day or two. The real damage right now is being done by the fact that he said there had been no contacts, and then he had come back and tried to parse his sentence and said he said something he didnt which there were no conversations about the campaign. Thats not what he said. He has the testimony and the response. I asked him directly did the campaign or trumps name come up . And he said, well, i dont recall, which is never a good line in washington. And he said, well, you know, these ambassadors gossip about politics and the campaign but i dont specifically recall politics to be discussed and that seemed like a somewhat evasive answer. Glor karen . I know, especially at that time in washington, you know, basically, people were discussing the election with strangers on the subway. Glor karen, one can understand why the administration would push back against a potential special prosecutor. Happened to bill clinton and resulted in his impeachment. What might the time frame be or where are the swells going as far as any potential special prosecutor involved in the Russian Investigation . Well, first of all, there is no law now that allows the kind of independent counsel we saw during the clinton administration, the independent statute expired, so it could not be again the kind of sweeping wideranging, you dont know where this is going kind of investigations that we saw in the late 80s and in the 90s. But its just really hard to say where it goes. If these kind of revelations keep coming on a daily and sometimes practically an hourly basis, there is going to be something. By the way, that isnt the only model we have. There is also the possibility the president himself may want to call for something, some sort of commission helded under bipartisan respected leadership, the way Ronald Reagan did as iran contra was breaking, the way george w. Bush did after 9 11 when there were growing questions about, you know, what had happened to allow the attacks, what could we do to prevent them in the future. Theres an argument, you know, that i think that could be made that perhaps the president should step out here and say, look, you know, if in fact you know, we need to get to the bottom of whether this is absolutely. Obviously felt Jeff Sessions recusing himself from the case was not enough. Theyve called for his outright resignation. They called for investigations into possible perjury and what he told the judiciary committee. They obviously can make some political hay out of this for quite a long time, and having been on the defensive now for as long as they have, i think you clearly see them seeding that. Glor karen, this has been a big story that consumed much of the end of this week, at least, a week that started relatively speaking on pretty positive terms for the president after this speech on tuesday night. From your reporting and what youve seen there, how much disappointment and frustration is there from the white house right now that the week that they had and the positive notes they had have sort of turned sour . I think there is a great deal of frustration, not only from the white house but from their republican allies on capitol hill because, you know, one of the antidotes to all of this is for the president to be seen governing, for the conversation in washington to switch from this to his policy agenda. And, you know, if so many of those initiatives werent running into trouble on capitol hill, that might actually happen, and that was what he was trying to do with his speech earlier this week. Glor eric, what can we anticipate . Whether this story tore tentacles that come from it over the weekend and into next week. Well, i think there probably will be more revelation in the media as there have been this week. Next week, i think the focus will be somewhat surprisingly on the confirmation hearing for the Deputy Attorney general, the u. S. Attorney in maryland bloo bloomstein who will be overseeing this investigation now that sessions recused himself, so that will turn into a somewhat unexpected event over russia because now that landed in his lap and hes about to come up for confirmation. So i think that will be the immediate focus. You will see ongoing calls from democrats and some republicans like Jason Chaffetz and congressman mccarthy for further action. The republicans called for recusal which they now got, but, you know, i think the public in general wants answers. I think there is an awful lot of confusion out there and Unanswered Questions as to what happened, and you see people wanting to get to the bottom of that as best you can. The twitter account clock has been reset with the president s talk of democrats and what he considers are obstruction on his appointees . You know, i think that is true, as well, although he now finally does have a cabinet. Glor are there lessons to be learned, eric, from how the appointment process has taken and those who have moved relatively smooth through it and those who have had rough times and in some cases withdrawing, are there lessons to be learned for the Trump Administration and future administrations . The process is more adversarial because to have the growing gridlock in washington the last few years because to have President Trump and the feelings he engenders in democrats. You know, we used to, you know, four or five administrations ago, you would routinely get cabinet nominees approved 970 or 981. That aint happening anymore, and were now seeing Straight Party line votes, much more contention hearings, questions about the honesty now of three of trumps nominees and statements that they gave in their confirmation hearings and things that turned out to be untrue. So its become, you know, much more political theater and really handtohand combat than ever before. Glor Eric Lichtblau from the New York Times, Karen Tumulty from the washington post. We appreciate both of your time. Thank you. Pleasure. Glor how thet hell did this happen . , the title of the newest book by political satirest and author p. J. Orourke, the subtitle the election of 2016. It is a look at the president ial campaign, an across the aisle critique of the candidates, press, political punned triand even an analysis of how he a die hard republican ended up endorsing Hillary Clinton. P. J. Orourke joins us from new hampshire. Im pleased to welcome him to this program. P. J. , thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Glor thank you for being there. You say if my book lacks a coherent narrative, its because i couldnt find one. Have you found one yet . Yeah, i looked everywhere. I looked behind the couch. I looked all the places where i usually leave my cell phone. No, the coherent narrative wasnt there. Well, thats not really true. Were in the midst of a worldwide sort of populist rebellion would be maybe putting too strong a term on it, but there is a worldwide sort of well, lets call it a rebellion. Brexit is part of it. The neomaoism in china is part of it, putin is part of it. As i point out in the book, even the politics of australia now, the politics of australia are so dull that the name of the conservative party is the liberal party. Glor yes. But they have had five prime ministers in six years. So all over the world there is some sort of discomfort with the elite, rebellion against the establishment going on, manifesting itself in various different ways, and here it manifested itself in a rather baffling man, the president. Glor a lot of the book is very funny, but you take a more serious look at populism at the end of the book. What do you make of it . It makes me streel uncomfortable. Populism can ebbed up being sort of William Jennings bryan incompetent and kind of funny and comic, or it can end up the way it did so many places between world war i and world war ii, it can wind up really, really ugly. Im hoping were having, you know, history occurs first as tragedy and then again as comedy. I hope thats whats going on at the moment, but im not laughing really hard. Glor what do you make to have the president at the moment now, the speech to the joint session of congress got so much attention earlier this week. People said he appeared more president ial. Did you sense a shift or do you sense a shift . Well, you know, hes a good actor. I mean one thing again, i talk about it in the book, no journalist ever watched the apprentice. Its not because were smart, its not because were sophisticated, its not because this is below us, its because were in the media, and none of us need to hear youre fired ever again. I mean, we all know what the state of the media is like. So we havent watched him on the apprentice. When you watch him on the apprentice, you realize alec baldwin has nothing on donald trump, hes a good actor. So whatever you call that, the address to joint state of the union except you dont know what the state of the union is because youve only been there a week address. He was acting like a president. You know, doing a pretty good job of it. What that means, if anything, i dont know. Glor you started to put together this book, more than just a collection of what you observed during the campaign and, obviously, that changed very quickly from week to week and from day to day. In the end, you did endorse, as we said by the way, off the top, you would say youre a diehard republican, but the better term is libertarian and has been for a long time. Yeah, im a libertarian but its been a long time since i voted for anybody but a republican. Glor but you did endorse Hillary Clinton this time and went through how little you think of her but ended up endorsing her. Thats been the case for a long, long time as well. Do you have regrets about that . No. No, i dont. I did it for you know, one of the things about libertarianism, is your political attitude is supposed to be based on reason. There is something in the Financial Market you probably know about called the volatility index, the vix. You can actually go into the commodities market and buy a prdiction on how volatile markets will be. Its called the fear index, and my fear index was, and i think rationally, quite high with trump. I just felt the man was opaque to me, i didnt know what he was going to do. I disagree with hillary about practically everything. I think i said in my endorsement, dorothy ande and ts house fell on her, i would endorse her, the munchkins endorsed her. I knew what i was getting with her. We had eight years of barack obama, a ke kindred, more likabe Kindred Spirit with hillary. We survived those eight years. We would survive another four. I think four would be all it would be, because americans tend to shift parties after eight or at the max 12 years. So i figured we lived through eight years of obama without terrible damage, then we could live through four of hers. Whereas with trump, might be okay, who knew, you know. I was talking to friend of minimum in the commodities business about the vix, the volatility index, i said you have all these greek numbers and measures about raising volatility and risk. He said, p. J. , let me tell you, if you could measure risk, it wouldnt be risk. Glor very true. America does volatility very well, though, no matter where you come down. I wonder, you frame pretty much every candidate in this last election cycle other than maybe rand paul who didnt last for too, too long. No, i did like rand, yeah. Glor i wonder if you were impressed by anyone other than rand, or if youre future casting here, whether you see anyone in the future who you can get behind . Yeah, actually, there were a couple of people that i thought were fine. I went to see jeb bush at a town hall meeting, really intimate, little town peterboro, new hampshire, close to where i live. Only a couple hundred people were there. He was excellent. He was truly excellent and completely believable. Onwent to another one in the sae town with kasich. I thought he was very solid. I dont see those guys coming back for another try. Marco rubio, aside from not looking old enough to drive, i mean, i saw him actually where im sitting at the moment at st. Ansilums college in new hampshire, he was very good. He had a kind of contentious crowd, and he was very reasonable, patient, brief and yet substantive in the way he answered questions. I think he just needs a little more time in the a little more aging time in the old oaken barrel. He was good i heard him today on it was Jeff Sessions, a secret agent of smurf question, or whatever it was, and rubio had a good, measured reply about that, about how we want the truth, not a partisan truth, we want the truthtruth. Glor in the book, you talk about how it may well be a long time. Even though weve dealt with controverses that have come up, its been an active time for the dpintry and ive punditry. When do you think well be able to assess whats happened in the last two years . When a new president comes into office, there is always a degree of mess. Then there is usually a honeymoon. Stories from the first month of obamas, i seem to recall repeated reports of his walking on water and so on. But actually even george w. Bush was i can remember somebody saying something positive about dan quayle right at the very beginning of george h. W. Bushs. So, you know, this is a little unusually negative, but the truth is the beginning of all administrations are a mess. We certainly have to give it 100 days. This is a particularly incoherent i mean, one of the things that bothers me about having donald trump as president is that it seems to be absolutely intellectually incoherent, ideologically incoherent. People are all bothered about steve bannon as the ideological force behind the Trump Administration. Well, there is no such thing as an ideological force behind an administration that has absolutely no ideology. So, you know, maybe after 100 days we get a clearer idea of whether, like, the office and the institution suck him if and make him behave in a more normal passion. Glor but do you agree whront he has a view thats more ideological . Hes ideological, but im not seeing a man in trump that listens a lot. Im just he has a pretty narcissistic personality. I have trouble figuring out what its like trump is looking so closely in the mirror that when we look at trump were looking at the back of the mirror. Were not really i dont feel like i have any sense of knowing this guy. I mean, you sort of know him because hes the guy thats on the last stool in the bar between you and the mens room and youre kind of like inclined to hold it because you dont want to have to go past the guy, the guy thats sometimes funny, always loud, sometimes has a point, sometimes is really off the reservation, but has always gone on. This is interesting because trump does not drink, so how he got the position as the guy at the end of the bar, im not positive. But hes a pretty opaque character. Glor you make a pretty good comment at the end of the book i dont want to spoil it for anyone but its worth checking out. I want to return to the notion of elitism thats been discussed so much and populism. In the book you say individual freedom is about bringing things together, politics is about dividing things up. This is not a new concept. Yeah, i mean glor i think its pretty important right now. Yeah, well, thats my fundamental the reason i am basically a libertarian, im a conservative, but my ideology is libertarian because i worry about big government, and i think we have a perfect example here for everybody across the spectrum. I worry, you know i watch liberals build a bigger and bigger government, and now im watching them when somebody else has gotten behind the wheel of this monster truck government, turned it around and run them down with it, you know, and theyre all shocked and weepy, and im going, like, make it a kiddie car shrink the size of the monster truck, then at worst it smacks you in the shins. So, yeah, i think private individuals are a creative force, and what politics basically does is take the fruits of our creation and redistribute them, and i dont mean that as an attack on the welfare system. Military spending is a form of redistribution, too. Even infrastructure, which were in no doubt in need of in this country, that is a form of redistributing the fruits of individual enterprise and, you know, we dont want none of that, but we have to be careful about the size of the device we create to do that job. Well, and you mentioned the big dig a couple of times in the book in boston, a project that cost a lot more and look a lot longer than people expected. But you would agree that some infrastructure reconstruction is needed. Yes, it is. Although in the case of boston, i remember when they built the expressaway that the big dig replaced, and i was about collegeaged and going out and visiting friends who were obviously smarter than i was because they were going to a college in boston and not ohio, so i remember when that thing went up, and it should have never been built in the first place. Infrastructure is not, like, just a simple good. Its what you build and here you build it and how well you budget. Maintenance is the thing, you know, really needs to be carefully analyzed. Glor p. J. , what do you make of the media versus trump, whether its real or not or manufactured to any extent or is it i mean, why, in your estimation is the president sort of taking the approach he is and what do you think the appropriate response should be from the medias side . Well, there is, you know, always in the medias relationship with the well world, always an adversarial side. I mean, nobody wants to go to a play with no drama in it or see a movie with no attention in it. I mean, its part of our job to stir the pot, you know. Its like, i would say about plays and movies, is that i wont go see a play without a sword fight or a movie without a car chase. So part of media opposition to trump is simply the natural order of things. You can get real serious about it and say were speaking truth to power. I think thats getting a little were getting a little above ourselves when we do that because thats easy. I mean, xi jinping, its easy for me to speak to power when im far away enough from the power. But theres an aspect in the media that makes it trump harder for media people to understand than maybe he would have been a century ago, which is, once upon a time, being, like, a newspaper reporter or even as relatively recently as me starting out, still a bluecollar trade. I mean, if you grew up like i did, kind of shanty irish, and you didnt want to get up early in the morning or lift heavy things, you could essentially be a newspaper reporter or a priest. You could be a cop, but then you would get shot at, or a fireman. And thats dangerous. But if you like to read, you didnt like to lift heavy things, so and then, you know, over the years i blame nixon for this. Nixon was at fault for a lot of things, but you know, when watergate came along and all the president s men, a whole bunch of people who should have joined the peace corps became newspaper reporters instead in order to save the world, and i dont think weve ever recovered from that problem. Glor p. J. , you have a couple of teens, a couple of young kids, at least. You mentioned them a couple of times in the book. Yeah. Glor from their perspective, i know you Pay Attention to that, what do you think that generation makes of what has happened here . Well, its interesting. My 19yearold is at college, and im sure this has something to do with being 19. I mean, what she is most interested in is womens rights issues, specifically abortion. I mean, she sees that as fundamental. And i think that thats been a terrible mistake from the conservative side for quite a while. I mean, i am personally opposed to to abortion, morally opposed to abortion, but i think its a very, very private choice. Glor on that note, p. J. Orourke, the book, how thet hell did this happen . The election of 2016. Very good to see you, sir. Youre very welcome. Haskell im molly haskell, filling in for charlie rose. Agnees varda is here, shes a photographer for individual artists. Her work in the 50s and 60s helped pieo knee the french new wave film movement. Hes in new york for an Art Exhibition on east off6t off6th street. Agnees varda, life is art, a special event presented by rendezvous with french cinema takes place friday march 10 at film society at Lincoln Center in honor of vardas work. I am pleased to have agnes at the table for the first time. Your show is incredible. The first room i went into has a huge photograph of the ocean. Then there is a film of the ocean rip of the waves rippling and the sound track, and the canvass is almost like sand. Its a transporting moment. It is real sand. Haskell it is real sand. I wanted a vision of the seaside. Haskell because you always somehow manage to combine this goes back a long way, but the documentary and the imaginary in one. People assume that nobody wanted to leave. It needs a bigger room because people are absolutely fixated. Because its based on contemplation and calm, and, you know, were in a world moving so much, and films and everything is so much action, that i propose the peaceful look, contemplating something that we all know and all love in a way, the seaside. Haskell its a quiet ocean. Is the sound track actually from that particular ocean or we all know what is the feeling being near the sea when its calm and we hear the small waves. Its something everybody can feel whenever they have seen it or felt it. The peace is seaside and im pressed when people see it and dont leave. Haskell its mesmerizing. A 1950s photograph, and then you recreated it as a drama. Ive always been interested in images. What is an image. A snapshot, you come, you see people. Haskell family. And maybe people you never met that you see somewhere. I always questioned who are they . How did they happen to be together at the same place . Did they know each other . Didnt they know each other . So i think about whats possible about these unknown people whether character or fiction. Haskell thats wonderful. Using my imagination, but asking the people who look at the images to wake up their own imagination because each image is a mystery. Even things that we know that it is. Haskell and you use local actors and gave them a script . Oh, no, no. Its people, i like them to come into my art project. Haskell just ordinary people. Oh, my neighbor. Haskell uhhuh. This one is the plumber of my village. Haskell the plumber, uhhuh. And his mother and another worm who is a teacher. But i will say, would you like to come into my dream becoming a film . And they say yes, and i told them what i felt. And they became what i was feeling. And ive done that very often. But this is not the documentary. When i do a documentary, i respect their own life, their own world, and thats what i have been doing recently. I just finished a feature documentary with j. R. , the artist j. R. And we were friends in villages, small villages, and we met people and we asked them to speak about what they feel and see, and we make sometimes big images of them and i make them in their world. Haskell this is the first one where you scavenged things that nobody pays attention to. Nobody listened, the same with the widows, nobody listened. When i did that thing, we were in villages where people were working or a girl was serving in a bar and people working in a factory where there was a lot of danger, we asked them to be with us, and we built some strange things. In the harbor we used the container to make a lego construction. Haskell yeah. We tell them we want to be artists with them,. Haskell they collaborate. Yeah, they collaborate, they help, they get involved. They like to feel that they have the right to be artists with us. Haskell yeah. Because its not im not untouchable. Haskell youve had a decentralized sense of film. Its not something just handed down and imposed on people but they bring to you. Even in Something Like vagabond, that wonderful film. The idea of different people, its a young Girl Found Dead and you have different people giving their perspective. But you see the installation, im very excited these people are acting in a still photo. They were people i met again. No actors at all. I say, look at that image and try to imitate it. And the woman acting looking like the dress in the picture. We will act, we will play we are doing that picture and they play the game with us. Haskell its like family photographs on vacation and everybodys taken them and they look back and wonder and try to remember what was going on before and after and why was he holding the baby now. Id like to have known people together. Haskell they werent a family at all. Does it make history, could we believe that something happened between this one and this one. Haskell yeah. So i think i have my imagination, not i wouldnt say working, but alive all the time. Haskell well, i think even if Something Like where the guy is a writer and its a little bit of the same thing where the people in the village become imaginary people. You have the this sense of no boundaries between the real and imaginary. Reality is so difficult. Its so tough. The whole world is an incredible difficult reality. So if we can reinvent reality, make it more sensible, more near us, so it makes sense that we share with them something, stories or emotion or spectacle, something, not only entertainment but having fun together. Haskell you realize especially with the politics now a lot of people feel left out. They feel theyre people at the artistic centers of the world and these other people are nobodies. You give them the feeling they arent nobodies, and youve always known that. In the center of french cinema, which is strong, now we have a lot of new directors and women directors. A lot of them came here with their french cinema today, event. Haskell i met you when you came at 65, i started at the french office, but before you made cleo from 5 to 7, the story of a pop singer waiting for a diagnosis he may have cancer, and so many french films are women walking, beautiful male directors and these beautiful girls on the cusp of womanhood and theyre there for the pleasure of the male who is looking and no, you make it too much. Haskell no, dont you think french cinema has a lot of those, women walking no, what is the sense of a woman. Haskell but yours is a woman whose minds and sensibilities you are interested in. When i was trying to find these articles, more than telling that story and another one, trying to make the cinema being art, painting moves, telling stories like coming from a book or a place. Haskell you use centered writing. From the inspiration that is there in real life and, from real life, invent ago shape of invent ago shape of inventing a shape of touching people. Haskell no drama. Very good films are made like this, a lot of beautiful films. But i like to work on something which is sensible in which maybe the people watching the film get to feel what is presented, what is proposed. So i have been doing the life of a filmmaker, then i switch from an old filmmaker to a young visual artist. Then in the last ten years, i have been doing more exhibitions using all sorts, mixing them, trying to reconcilate digital haskell in the beaches, you go back, and youre not even a beach person but you have wonderful installations and movies about beaches, but you find a picture of two young boys and you find theyre now old men and you bring them to that. We were young persons. This was a long time ago. Haskell it was. And what we still share is love for movies, love for experimentation, adventure, because trying to invent cinema, and you do work by reading and understanding, sharing what you know and what you understood at cinema, sharing it with people who go to movies, thats what you were. Haskell and i knew jacques your husband and you knew my husband, so we both had marriages where love and movies were intertwined and we had tremendous rapport on that movie the director says when he speaks about the film, he pays tribute to jacques and me similarself. Haskell yes. E says when he saw jacques he was 17 and changed his life and became a filmmaker. When he came to paris, he invited us and said can i come to your place. Being in the courtyard where i was with jacques, he was i was so touched. He said he has been so important in my life, this makes my heart break. I said what a nice boy. Haskell the effect you and your fellow new wave directors had in the 60s and early 70s on american filmmaking is indescribable and you must know that. I remember when you came and mike nickels came and it was interpreting and your english wasnt as great as it is now and mike nichols was there and was so moved. Do you remember that . You were part of the left bank group. That distinction that was you and chris and angel we were on the left side of politics, and we lived on the left side. Haskell yeah. Which is strange. Haskell it is strange when you think about it and go to chabral considered the right bank, and they were movie maniacs and they were very influenced by americans and rene, also. It has been a time of very incredible memorabilia. Haskell what i cant get, its almost like youve had ten careers. Youve kept going with the same curiosity and creativity all these years and just kept going if whatever direction. I am lucky to have kept that and the desire. In this exhibition, i never had the experience to put the seaside on his floor, so people in new york forget they have to go haskell thats right you go up in a tiny elevator and into the room and suddenly the room opens up. And thats what you need. Im here in an exhibition that makes me very happy because i see people coming, people who love films and art, and the young people. Haskell they were all young people yesterday. What happens on march 10t march 10th with the rendezvous. I dont remember the date what i do, but they ask me will i present, and then i will speak with anderson about my work. Because i come to new york, they say i have to do this and this and this. Next time, i wont tell anybody that i come. The program, was a delight for me to see you again. Haskell youre so great. Youre just such an inspiration. I went to the show. I thought, my god, if she can do it, ive got to do something. Are you about to become more of an artist . Haskell i dont think so, but im soaking up yours and cant wait to see what you do next. Its the last part of my life and so many good things happen to me. I work, i do a lot, but there is an answer to that. Is there an answer from the people coming haskell the content and also the people youre making films with, youre collaborators, the energy that comes back and forth between you and them, its glorious. If the energy can be shared and the emotion and talks and spirit haskell and the humor, too. People dont talk much about your humor. Even in the photographs in the show, there is a sly humor in them. Youre a very funny person. Well, im glad youve got what im trying to propose and it works sometimes. Haskell well, congratulations. The thank you. It was beautiful to see you. Haskell you, too. Rose for more about this program and earlier episodes, visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Youre watching pbs. Hello. Welcome to kqed newsroom. Coming up on the program, the state assemblys republican leader talks about why the gop needs to do a better job on messaging. And the university of california released records on more than 100 cases of Sexual Misconduct across its ten campuses. Plus, the all male ballet troupe. We go on point with two dancers from the bay area. But first, as part of our ongoing coverage of the first 100 days of the Trump Administration, yesterday attorney general Jeff Sessions recused himself from investigations into russian interference in the president ial election. This after it was revealed that he had met twice last year with the russian ambassador