Five years and say certainly its freer now than five years auto and much more than ten years ago. In the past five year thats changed. China is much more controlled than five years ago, its much more difficult for International Businesses to do business there. So the question is, has the trend really changed and if so, does the United States need to change its approach. Rose and we conclude with mar grow price. Her new al gore is mid west farmers daughter. When i set out to write this album i had given up trying to write pop songs or rock and roll songs or whatever i had been doing on the last four album. I wasnt worried about if the hook was good enough or if it was melodically catchy enough i want the lyrical content to be there. Rose leonhardt, fallows and price when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this evening with a look at president elect Donald TrumpsTransition Team and the aftermath of the election. It has been one week since trump scored a toning victory against democratic rifle Hillary Clinton. He has denied reports of chaos in his efforts to fill staff position in his new administration. Rudy giuliani is plead to be a leagd contender for secretary of state and schumer was elected as the next leader of the senate democrats. Hes now one of the partys most influential counter weights to the trump administration. David leonhardt joins me now and im please to do have him back at this table. Welcome. People are looking at what happened here and the surprises d pollsters, pundits, press fail or simply did things happen that made this impossible to accurately entertain. I think this is an important moment for self reflection from everyone, from journalists and pollsters. The interesting thing to say here is everyone missed this. If you remember back in 2012 people close to mitt romney thought he was going to win. Rose including mitt romney. Including mitt romney. Had he won i think it would have been important for democrats and people in the media to be self reflective why the Romney Campaign was right and they were wrong. This was different. Trump himself expected to lose. The Republican National committee expected to lose. Hillary clinton expected to win. There was no media source out there saying look, the polls show that hes ahead. Rose you kept asking how large is it, we asked the question often how large is the trump vote. Is there a hidden vote. We asked those questions. Right. Rose you just doesnt know the answer. The polls were wrong. On the one hand the size of the error of the poll was not historically large but it was historically important because what it did was it shifted by several points in precisely the states that trump needed. And i think we are going to need some time to sort through why that happened but i do think that we shouldnt abandon polls. But i think after an election like this, we have to look at them with more humility than we before because the fact is poll Response Rates have gone way down and there really is a chance theyre backing less accurate this time. Rose did donald trump did something in his team we can now look at and say they were blinlt in the way they analyzed the possibilities. They did something right when no one else thought it was right. I think the key thing is that democrats persuaded themselves that, and to be clear, many other independent analysis including many of us in the press, thought this was correct. Trumps team thought it was correct by the end. Democrats persuaded themselves that the rising demographics that leaned democratic have gotten large enough to carry the day. Latinos, asian americans, millennials. I dont know if youve seen one of those maps that shows how millennials across the country voted and i think Hillary Clinton won 40 states. Those are real trends but we were mislead about how important they had become. By taking the White Working Class vote for granted, the democrats essentially alienated that vote and by trump running a campaign unlike any republican has run, a much more nationalist, ethnocentric pap List Campaign was able to bring people out of the woodwork. And the combination of those two things what led to this truly as you said stunning result. Rose do we now understand with happened site what it was that propelled the people who gave him his victory. I think it w s a lot of things. I think that establishment candidates fared extremely badly this year. Not just Hillary Clinton, but jeb bush and the other republicans anointed by the establishment like scott walker. Rose people who have been around politics for a while. People who has been around politics for a while. Thats right. Look, Bernie Sanders clearly lost the primary to Hillary Clinton. I think about 55 to 45 of the democratic vote. However, Bernie Sanders is a socialist from vermont who wasnt a member of the Democratic Party until recently. The reason he got 45 of the vote in fairness because the real sign in just how weak the establishment is. In Hillary Clinton you had a candidate who really had a lot of flaws. Two you had trump really getting out this vote in a way that didnt seem possible but actually happened. Rose with that kind of an Organization Behind him. Without an Organization Behind him. Rose you rallied with his emotional push. Thats right. Look, what i have said is i think the central problem facing the country in addition to Climate Change is the great stagnation. It is the fact that for a very large more than of this country life isnt Getting Better but its gotten marginally better over the last generation. And that breeds a lot of cynicism. Think about this. As americans we like to talk about how much our lives have gotten better and we dont think about ourselves in relation to our grandparents. We think about whole muni tease, about italian americans, how your ancestors came over and worked are hard and how you now enjoy this great quality of life. This is a deeply american story. Now imagine in large parts of this country by some estimates it might be a third of the country or close to a year andahalf. All that hard work would feel like it had broken against you. I am not defending at all the bigotry that we have seen connected with the trump campaign. We can talk about that. I find it deeply alarming. But i do understand why it has found a greater audience in this time of stagnation than it has been for a long time. Rose when you say stagnation is this what Larry Summers called secular stagnation. Yes a version of it. Rose which is a restriction on traditional growth rights. Yes. It is two things, is it that growth has slowed down and inequality has written. For most people the amount of their share is growing is very very slow. You look at net worth for a typical family its lower than it was in the 1980s. That is shocking. You look at income gains. Yes. Lower. For the mid 80s so call it 30 years. Look at incomes theyve grown for the working class extremely slowly. You look at family formation. For College Graduates divorce is a lot less dhun. For people who havent graduated from College Going up in a family only for one pairment, many more people are in jail than used to be. Drug abuse is much worse. Theres the same study that came out in the last couple years showing that for large groups of whites without a college degree. Life spans have not gotten longer. And so when you think about this stagnation and despair, to me it helps explain some of what happened here. Now, i am frightened about where we now go because trump does not have a platform that it seems to me addresses many of these issues. And im deeply worried about the Civil Liberties issues. Rose lets talk about that. Who is it that worries you because a lot of people look at the alt right in the presence of mr. Bannen. What is it that worries you and others in terms of Civil Liberties. What might happen that someone ought to raise a red flag and say thats be careful and village length enough in the protection of individual rights. There are two issues and they overlap but i think of them somewhat differently. One is a basic respect for rule of law. There were multiple times during the campaign when president elect trump said things that did not show a respect for the rule of law, right. He suggested that a judge could not be objective simply because it is. Rose in fact he didnt come from mexico he was born in indiana. He was born in indiana. He said his opponent should be jailed and he meet not accept the votes of the election. He went on and on. We have values in this country and we never in modern times ever had a president ial candidate who ran essentially opposing many of those Democratic Values. Now he didnt just run, he won and hes going to be the president. So i think theres a very big question about do those values wake weaken. Does that mean when President Trump gets a ruling from a judge that he doesnt like, does he try to circumvent that ruling and have that judge impeached. I were e about that because if you take him at his word rose there are a lot of people whoization i who say, people opposed to donald trump took him literally and not seriously. People who voted for him took him seriously and not literally. They didnt agree with everything he said and didnt take it literally. That it was as they understood it just to be Campaign Tactics and rhetoric and strategy. I certainly hope thats the case. I would much rather have hypocrisy on his part than some kind of move toward authoritarianism. I think its a big mistake for us just to assume he doesnt mean it all. People run for president saying d they win more often thaning not. Rose obamacare being an example. Tax cuts. Rose spending money on National Security by ronald reagan. The list goes on. I dont think we should blythely assume oh he didnt mean those things because they seemed really bad. So i really would like to see signs from him that he is going to respect Civil Liberties, the rule of law, basic Constitutional Rights and i think it is very important for people in washington, including republicans, primarily republicans to put real pressure on him to do that. People like rand paul and people close to him. The other issue the surge of hate. The online racism, the real life racism weve seen in recent days, the online semitism. It is true that much of that online in terms of web cites and things like that. Yes. Whether it is students at College Campuses being targeted with racist stuff, whether it is graffiti, not online, whether it is people being talked with antisemitism. It is true that for the overwhelming bulk of that does not come from anyone in the campaign. But its been on the website bright part run by steven bannen who is now going to be senior advisor. He has not distanced himselflf from that. He has not said hey i reject this thats been on my website. Rose what he has said is look, he has said nor should i necessarily be held accountable for all of it because i didnt write it. Yes. But it happened while he was the executive chairman of it. And i am concerned about that wink and nod about a lot of that stuff. Mayor deblawz went and visited with donald trump today and said look people are frightened and you have a responsibility to make them feel more comfortable. I do think that is a deep responsibility and i think if the president elect doesnt live up to that responsibility, it is absolutely vital that the institutions of our civic society, congress, the courts the media, we do not change our standards in what it mans to live in Pluralistic Society under the rule of law. Rose when Barack Obama Says look i think hes been sobered by the whitehouse, we need to give him an opportunity to what hes going to do and says i think hes more pragmatic than not. Is that what you say thats right. President object is doing it right here and its hard for him to come out of election and speak badly about the president elect. The people have spoken. Obama is trying for a smooth transition. As obama said he had this line gestures matter. You got the sense that he was saying that, that while he was talking about the president elect, he was also talking about himself. That he was saying gestures matter and what i want to try to do here is lower the temperature and try to get us back to some of these Democratic Values that are so important to this country. Rose thank you for coming. Thank you charlie. Rose David Leonhardt from rose jim fallows is here, an observe are of china and japan and other places. His new magazine chinas great leap backward and he argues that the country almost at one point of 4 billion people have not been this repressive since the cultural revolution. I am pleased to have him back on this program, welcome. Now were talking about this talking about president elect trump and this is where your article the great leap backward comes. China is more hope and belligerent than five years ago, even ten. Its become repressive in a way since the cultural revolution. My china optimist considers a darker future and asks what a more dangerous and more adversarial china would mean for the United States. Especially when we look at the change in government here. In. Indeed. I wrote this article before the election because thats the reality of magazines with their lead times. In the assumption was United States have been thinking calm me and rationally the way they deal with cheese changes which i argue makes china more difficult to telewith for everybody starting with the United States. How the United States will approach this under the leadership of donald trump is a whole, adds a whole different area of complexity. Rose whats happening in china with xi jinping. Its internal expression and external blagojevich billergencp. At any interrule you could look back five years and say well certainly its freer now than it was five years ago and much more than ten years ago. In the past five years thats changed. China is much more controlled than five years ago, more of an antiforeign, its much more difficult for International Businesses to do business there and the question is has it trend chilly ranked and if so does the United States have to change their approach. Rose there are a couple things xi jinping said he had to do was corruption and pollution. We could look at the international history. The paramount point of u. S. Chinese cooperation right now is in climate and environmental issues. It was interesting that xi jinping publicly said to drawd after the election we dont want you to pull out of this paris climate pack that really matters to us. To the extent theres International Hope on climate issues, it depends on the u. S. And china working together. But yes xi jinping came to power knowing there were lots of things chie you know was less successful inside than outside. Rose where is he more belligerent. When you try to sort of build up Domestic Support by plexing your external muscles. I think theres a combination of arrogance and insecurity. The arrogance may stem from the recommend informants of the 20078 financial collapse in the United States which made china feel our time has really come. The insecurity is xi jinpings realization of how many things threaten chinas future from pollution to a sort of topping off of the economys growth to the resistance and hostility of many of his neighbors. So one way to weve seen in many countries is sort of you stand up to the japanese. You stand up to the americans, you stand up to the filipinos. Rose nationalism stirs your own political survival. Exactly. Know very well the antijapanese feelings in china are very easy to revv up. I think we discussed this before. Lets a deep feeling by a lot of chinas leaders that the United States finally does not wish them well. The United States would like to bottle them up and hold them down despite american president saying the opposite for many years. So this is a way to prey on the United States. Rose are they write about that in any way other than the fact we clearly do want to have relationships and we want to be a Pacific Power and we want to have relationships with countries who worry about china. Yes. I think there are, theres a layer at which the chinese fear in my view is completely unfounded but theyll never believe it. Which is that from the time of mixen onward, the american policy really habits better for us if china prospers than if they stagnate because difficult as they are, prospering, they would be worse if they were going down. I think there is, we dont see as much of it right now in some recent past of people feeling chinas overtaking us, the United States is threatened. Theres certainly that potential in the american psyche, a theme i make in the articles related to gram ellison trying to avoid this becoming a vicious cycle of each nation becoming so fearful of the other that it brings out its administrate. Rose are they building up. They are building up but from a very low base. Also the United States. The saving grace is the Chinese Military is fully aware of how dominant the seventh fleet is in that part of the world, how much stronger the u. S. Is in military means. But it does relative to vietnam, relative to south korea, relative to the philippines they are becoming relatively more prominent especially in south china. Rose the question has always been that china has not shown any desire to bent imperialistic power. It has not. But people wonder if at some point, it continues to become a larger and larger economy. If it continues to have a greater role that world, if it continues to see institutions that he wants to be part of, and that he can play a role in, it might change. Yes. Certainly from the chinese point of view, what might be construed as imperialism looks like the National Extension of the core interest. For example all this island building in the South China Sea and also trying to change some international institutions. In the absence of the tpp, chinas going to be setting up lots of trade deals for all of its neighbors which will be kind of a chinese regime for placing an american centric regime. Rose thats an argument for tpp. In my mind, yes, i think that for any complaint one might make about it, the alternative is going to be worse for almost any constituent American Group you can think of, consumers, workers, companies, anybody. Rose the central thing about china for me, ive always believed and i may be wrong, is the thing thats most important to the chinese leadership is the control of the Chinese Communist party. Yes, it is true. And theyve now been in office for 67 years Something Like that. Theyre nearing sort of the longevity of the soviet communist party. Its hard to maintain this control in the long run and i think theyre aware of that. Rose the economy. No know theres a level of over capacity. Yes. They are exporting their stem steal at everybody causing losses around the world. They are managing a longer term one which is more troublesome to them. Short term ones are layoffs. Thats going to be a million or two steelworkers and coal workers will lose their jobs in china. Theres no demand. Steel industry has overcapacity so the same problems every country in the world has with laying off manufacturers. Rose less building with less steel used and theres less demand for their product. They can find ways to sort of ramp them up by building new stuff the the longer term one is that the chinese economy, its made it from peasant tree to manufacturing supply chain. The question is can they ever have their own top line companies, their own apple, their even mist be see, their own general electric. Thats what brings into question, can you have a firstrate internationalized economy if youre all controlled. Rose as soon as you say that, uber went over there and thought they would be successful and they werent because the chinese uber took exactly. I guess what im talking about is sort of International Either technologybased or manufacturing based grand names the kind we associate with germany or with japan or south korea or the United States. China has become increasingly dominant in its own market. The question is the next level of sophistication can they do that with a repressive internet controlled sort of foreign or hostile environment. Rose can you have an effective competition if you dont have freedom and all the things that have been part of what allowed america to develop technology and the lead that it has. And all sort of successful small b bourgeois lib wul democratic societies they do have this kind of liberal societies. They have free press and elections and things that china doesnt have. Rose they made a commitment. Whether they can achieve it or not to have great university. Its a goal to have two of the top 20 by whatever. That is a goal but its easier to build the building than it is to attract the best scientists or the best students. So heres the Silver Lining, another one. That a china thats able to achieve these things will be an easier china for us to coexist with because it would be less e repressive and more like the less developed world. Rose the question is too, is there paranoia. I think thats an excellent question. I think among the chinese population in general as you well know i think theyre basically at ease with americans and all the rest. I think among the leaders theres a paranoia towards the United States that we say we wish them well but really what do we think in our hearts. Theres a real paranoia about their own control. Why else would they keep the Nobel Peace Prize winner locked up all these years which just gives them back publicity. If they were confident they wouldnt crack down so hard. Rose thats one reason theyre not competent. What would they fear coming from a nonimprisoned nobel prize. Theres the example of the blind disdent that came to the United States a couple years ago if they get out of the country they have less and less traction inside china. It would be smarter and more kind of savvy to just let all the distents go but there is something about the appearance of strength and control it seems to really matter to them. Rose are they showing a great interest in being a participant in big global issues. Clearly in climate because it has served them and cuts them. Goes to the heart of their well being. Do they want to play an Important Role in the world. Do they want to go and follow the russians in the security council. Of course its a giant diverse country with many different impulses. Increasingly they would like to be seen as a global leader. For example they are part of the iran deal and it matters they are part of sort of international compact. Thats one of the sources the leverage the United States has. China would like to be seen as a more responsibility player than they sometimes are. Rose this was a question posed a number of years ago do they want to be and act like a stakeholder or not. Youre saying they are moving more towards that. Im saying theres contradictory movement and part of the United States strategy even in this next administration is to make it more attractive for them to do that and less attractive rose im going right to the little. The great leap backwards. Are they leaping backwards or are they showing insecurity. Probably calculator the letter of insecurity but its been long enough now that its longer like teen men square after a year or two things were back on a path. This is three plus years after tightening up. Rose one additional with yours is how to win the war with beijing talked with Henry Kissinger. Does Henry Kissinger believes there would be a war with china. He says thats catastrophic and low probability but theres no alternative to continue engaging with them because its the most important relationship weve had. Rose its always an historic that they continue to do something about rising powers or principles. Avoiding that trap is a very important goal whoever is our leader. Rose jim fallows, thank you so much. Thank you charlie. Rose margo price is here the National Singer songwriter is making herself known beyond steely city. There are greats like dolly pardon and loretta lynn. She was record the in three days at the studio in memphis. It is called mid west farmers daughter. Rolling stones calls it a diary of striking out and living hard. Here is margo price performing all american maid in our studio this morning. Woke from the movie, got to party and heading on the top. The part of me that hurts so worse is the one i just cant find everywhere i go somebody put me in the dirt. Everything i gave somebody said they said it first. Give me one that works. I have been all over but i cant tell something in my blood line or something in my gut. Going to california in a rustic pick up truck. Its all American Made. 1987, and i didnt know it then the leader of music music it wont be the first time baby it wont be the end, they were all American Made but i was just a charm raise on jesus and all the usual tell me mr. Petty what do you think will happen next . Its all American Made. I wonder if the president gets much sleep at night sits a welfare while making it all right. But dreaming of that highway, baby the stretch is out of sight in a song American Made. In a song American Made. Yes in a song that was American Made rose im pleased to have margo price at this table for the first time. Well come. Thank you so much for having here. Rose thank you for performing for us. Of course, thats great. Rose how does, you obviously are flattered with these comparisons to loretta lynn. Yes. I admire her so much and definitely see similarities in what we do. Rose what are the similarities you see and that people see. I love that she was not afraid to be bold about, you know, womens issues and really she was a unique songwriter. She wrote her own songs and that really appeals to me in an industry for a lot of people have other folks write their songs. Thats definitely one of them. But you know, i guess the other similarity is in life are that ive read that shes color blind, which i also am a little color blind. She had twins. I had twins. And shes an aries. She doesnt like to be told what to do from what i heard. No, i dont. Rose the kind of music you play. I try to you know keep true to tradition. But i would like to think im not just spinning the same wheel. You know, obviously like classic Country Music but i like soul and funk and blues and rock and roll. I try to bring that in and paying it my own. Rose is it easier to do that today because so many people have bridged all those gaps as well. Yes. I feel comfortable, you know, bringing those elements in because i think it does make something original and thats the main goal for me. Rose did you begin just wanting to be a songwriter or did you always say i want to write songs myself and i want to perform them and i want to perform them on stage. Yes, that was the plan. I think when i first moved to national 13 or 14 years ago. Rose you were how old. I was 20 years old. I definitely had that ambition but from a what i saw the direction that Country Music had went, i didnt feel like there was a place for me to coexist with that kind of music because it was so glossy and because the image was a certain prototype i had come to see. Rose you couldnt see yourself as that. No, no, i didnt think that i physically fit the mold. So i kind of went more the folk direction for while. And i always want to write song that had substance and so i very much love joany mitchell and bob dylan and neil young and really gravitated towards that. And the kinks, i got very interest the kinks for a while and started playing rock and roll. And did that for quite some time. Had a soul band that had like three back up singers and a horn section. And before i knew it i was singing over 14 people and wondering if i had got i too much. Rose today. Today ive got a six piece band, petal steel and piano and when we can visit. Im very happy with my band there, the same guy i can play on my record. I didnt get session musicians, i want people who want to be part of the band so when we go to play live shows it sounds nt like a record. Rose is it harder for a young girl than a man. I hink in the music business, yes. I think it may be. I have found that it is maybe more difficult to be a woman. People, when i go and play festivals and stuff, when i look at the line up, five to ten percent of the names are there are women or female bands. Rose its not part of the politics. Talking about the events of this week. Do you feel strongly, or what do you feel about the results, was it good and what it meant to you seeing a woman as president , history being made. I was very much looking forward to saying madam president. Its been a hard week. Rose been a hard week for you. Yeah. Rose a lot of conversations about it your friends and people. Yeah. I think if we can try to find a Silver Lining in the events that have gone on, maybe people will really begin to be proactive and organizations they believe in. And really getting back to getting into the politics of our world. I think people can be so distracted by social media and by, you know, the day to day distractions of the world that weve gotten away from growing own our food and taking care of the environment and really being turned on. Rose those are the kind of issues that appeal to you most. Yes, they definitely do. Rose environmental questions. My father and my grandfather and all his brothers and all their sons they had a family farm and the whole farming crises in the early and mid 1980s came about. They lost everything and they had a huge impact on me. Rose where were they from. They were from a little town called buffalo prairie, illinois. We had soy and cattles. Its something i hope to do when im not on the road. Rose your own farm. Having a little garden at least, i think if everybody does a little bit, it will make a difference. Rose are you as strong a melody as you are on lyrics. I definitely thing a strong melody is important. When i set out to write this album i had kind of given up trying to write pop songs or rock and roll songs or whatever i had been doing in the last four albums. I wasnt worried about if the look was the good enough or if it was melodically catchy enough, i just want to the lyrical content to be there. And i think i achieved some of that. Rose when you thank you about some of these songs, this is hands of time. Yes. This is a six minute song, yes. Everyone kept trying to make it my single and i dont know if america has six minutes of attention span. We got 140 characters most of the time. Get your point across. But im happy that i went ahead and kept it and a third man was very adamant with me about having it kind of be the kick off to the album because i feel like if people can get through that and a theyre going to know who i am and kind of what ive been through and be able to enjoy the rest of the record because its not as heavy. Rose im about to find out. Yes. Im about to find out. I wrote about an acquaintance who is a bit of a sociopath pat. Its funny how songs change meaning over time. It seemed to be fitting for the privileged and the separation and the classes that were dealing with today. Rose is this album in part some say about sort of giving the finger to the musical establishment. Yes, definitely. Especially in the ways that i have been treated as a woman. When i was first in national, first moving into town, i experienced people who kind of tried to take advantage of me. And i feel like when i was younger, i didnt think that there were people like that out there. I was just very trusting and very open. I didnt think that there were people who would try to do that. But i had a very bad experience with an older gentleman who had a studio and want me to write some demos for him, for more of the pop country world and we spoke a little bit but then at one point, i was doing some writing out there with him and another guy. And i went to the restroom and i came out and i was having a glass of sangria and i began not to feel well and i asked them if we put anything in my drink and they said tonight worry we put vodka in there because we didnt think you were having enough fun. That immediately put off a light in my head, you know. My mothers words were we got to get out of there. It was before technology was quite so savvy. I had a little flip phone, it was dying. Luckily i got out of their unharmed but that was the first of experiences where i think people rose trying to take advantage. They want favors and expect, you know, expect you to do something for them if theyre going to help you out. I dont think that thats the music. Rose because they believe in i your not only things like that but publicists take a large amount of money and never giving me a press orthopedic of what they did or managers who want to be on retainer when i dont really have an extra 250 a month to give. But you pay for what you get. I definitely learned the hard way how the music business works. Rose its hard on you too. Yeah. Got a little chip on my shoulder now. Rose you do it with a sense of humor too. Yes. Humor takes the sting out of a lot of things. Rose you did this in three days. Two days. Rose you pawned your wedding ring. Yes. Rose you did what else. Your car. My husband came into the kitchen one day and said thats it. Theres no way well have enough money. We were selling microphones and guitars and music gear that we had acquired, mixing boards. Reel to reel machines. We like a lot of the old up log ways of recording. Rose are those days behind you . Yeah. Were doing well. We still only have one car. We never bought another car because im on the road so much. But i think im going to buy an old truck here soon. Rose a pick up truck. Im going to buy a ford pick up truck. Rose tell me about the rest of the songs. One is tennessee song. Yes. Kind of just a song about enjoying the outdoors and also the history of the where america used to be and where we are now. Rose and the next one is you put me down, since you put me down. Since you put me down. Thats a song since you put me down i cover it with my husband. He started writing. He maybe had a different direction that he was going but i definitely used that to kind of write a scorned love letter to an old manager that did me wrong. People might think its about love. Rose did you call to say this is for you. No. But the funny thing was that once i started getting some success he sent me an apology and then asked me. Rose what did you say. I said im sorry, i dont think i can do that. But im not holding a grudge. Anymore. I cant keep rose four years of chances. Four years of chances i wrote after our conversation with a girlfriend of mine who was going through a difficult relationship, and we were just having a conversation. She said i gave him four years of chances. Rose you heard a song title right there. I said yes im going to write that song and i went home and it came out in just one piece. I was writing about her relationship and past relationships also and i was really saying good boy to my old band. I was with them for four years. When i had to break up with them it very much felt like a relationship. Rose does writing come easy . Has it always . I still feel very inspired. Im dying to get back in the studio. Were going to go here in december and we are full of songs. Rose youre full of songs. Yes. Rose as she said those words four years of chances, did you want to write it down there or did you say thats nice if i can come to writing a song i scribble it down somewhere a or you lose it. Or youre laying in bed at night and youre drifting off and those last moments youre falling asleep and those song ideas ill remember tomorrow, no you dont, you got to get up and write it down right then. Rose its confessional too. Yes. I gave myself the humility to become a little self deprecating. Like you said trying to find the humor and the bad situations. I had a weekender is about a weekend i had to spend in the Davidson County jail. Rose why did they want to put you in jail . I made some bad decisions. Rose what did you do. I was really struggling a lot with depression after losing my son. Ive been begging god really to put me in a mental home. I just wasnt feeling safe for myself. I was drinking quite heavily. I went out one night and had so many drinks and i called the cab but the cab never came. I had a little accident and yeah, that was definitely the kind of turning point where i realized, you know, i dont want to be in an insane asylum. Thats what it felt like in there. Rose i didnt want to lose control. Yes. I realize i had a son at home. Hes the most important thing in my life and i knew i needed to get it together. So i went and got therapy. It was a long time getting clear headed. Rose how are you today . Im great. Im a little exhausted. Im working so much but i feel yes. Dy when you began. Ed by couldnt get a manager, couldnt get a publicist, couldnt get a label. Couldnt barely book any gigs. Kind of the turning point was a writer from Rolling Stone came and saw me in a very tiny dive bar in nashville. That was my first glimmer of hope. They said wheres your album we want to review it. I said i dont have one. Im trying to scrounge up the money. I started writing to all these producers and these labels and sent them a memo saying im going to be a great country singer. But i didnt hear responses. So i sold the car and did it anyway. Rose theres a lot of hype about it now. I never expected it would go this far in a million years. Rose youre ready to go back and record the next one. I am. That was recorded quite some time ago and several of the songs were around for years. So ive got all sorts of new things to say and now even more to write about. Rose its great to have you here. Thank you so much. Rose hope you come back. I will. Rose as soon as you get that album. Come by here. Thank you so much charlie. Rose its a pleasure. Here it is. You get vinyl now. Look at that. Its an actual thing that will hold in your hand that wont disappear when the internet collapses. This was a film photo that my friend took and it was on a lomo film so that was all green. It was during the summer. And the film turned it purple. Got poison ivy and all sorts of bug bites. Rose it was worth it. Yes, it was. I cant tell you what an honor it is to sit here and talk with you. Im such a fan. Rose margo price. I had several dollars from being broke. Kissed my mama and my sister, i said goodbye, got my suitcase packed growing up at home where my daddy ran a farm, i was two years old working second shift tell all i want to do, make a little cash because it went so fast, i busted my ass. Want to buy back the farm, bring my mama home. Come back hands will shine. When i hit the setting, i joined the band, i started singing in a bar, running with the men. But the men they brought me problems, and the drinking caused me grief, but i found a friend that i only when i settled down with a married man, we had a couple babies, started living off the land. When i first born died, and i cried after dark, anybody out there looking down on me. At all. All i want to do, make something last when i cant see the future, cant change the past buy back the farm, bring my mom home some wine the still i keep running, fast as i can, i try to make something with my own two hands. And i aint got the breath if i ever said it wrong will you forget what you heard all i want to do make i know what i am, know what i have, want to buy back the farm, bring my mama home some wine hands of time captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by every single bite needed to be twinkies in there. Its like a great big hug. About as spicy as i can handle. My parents put chili powder in my baby food. French fries all over the table. A lot of chewing