Human rights and he suggested today there are war crimes going on. Well talk to him about that. How can we take pride of the achievements of humanity in the 21st century when our newspapers, the internet, on your show you all are exposed to the suffering at an extreme scale, and how could we not be moved . And as you rightly suggested, its not just limited to one particular location but, because we see other crimes being committed in many parts of the world, these are allegations in most part that have to be proven in court. But what does it say about us . Rose a new film called moonlight is getting rave reviews at film festivals, directed by Barry Jenkins, stars trevante rhodes, andree holland and Naomie Harris. There is a performance of masculinity that the world is projected at you always. This is how a man walks, talks speaks to another man, speaks to another becomes hard to selfidentify, the more youre receiving sort of like both positive and negative reinforcement of what masculinity should look like. Rose we conclude this evening with lauryn hill performing for the first time rebel, i find it hard to say, right here in our studios. Stand up and live rose the bat toll retake mosul. The human rights commerges on the crisis in aleppo, the moonlight film and lauryn hill performance, when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin overseas where iraqi and kurdish troops are pushing towards i. S. I. S. Positions in and around the city of mosul. One american serviceman had been killed by a roadside bomb and i. S. I. S. Fighters are resorting to suicide attacks in an effort to slow the advance. Today as many as 50 i. S. I. S. Fighters attack the city of kirkuk as a diversion. Holly williams and her crew raced to the scene. I. S. I. S. Infiltrated kirkuk overnight and laid siege to neighborhoods across the city. gunfire we were this kurdish s. W. A. T. Team today as they fought a gun battle with i. S. I. S. The surprise attack started with multiple suicide bombings before the extremists hold up inside buildings, including this house under construction. We know there are between six to eight i. S. I. S. In that building. Inside that building over there . Yes. On the streets below, the bodies of dead i. S. I. S. Extremists as well as local residents who couldnt move for fear of being shot. The s. W. A. T. Team began firing tear gas canister, throwing up a smoke screen before sending a team into the building. So they have been shooting at the building and also firing tear gas canisters, and now the assault team is about to go in. rapid gunfire but as they approached, they came under fire and one of them was hit. The one of the s. W. A. T. Team was injured, they had to pull back, and now theyre trying to pin the i. S. I. S. Gunmen down inside the building. Commander muhamad is from kirkuk and told us hell fight i. S. I. S. Until every last one of the extremists is dead. Whats in their heads . War and revenge. Revenge, he said, for the mosul offensive. Rose joining me from Northern Iraq is Holly Williams of cbs news. Thank you, holly. Whats happening in the battle against mosul as Kurdish Peshmerga troops march toward there and the Prime Minister of iraq says theyre going faster than he expected. Prime minister Haider Al Abadi said the offensive is progressing faster than expected. I dont know how fast he expected it to go, but ive spent most of this week on the front line and i can tell you its going pretty slowly. Both Kurdish Forces and iraqi forces are taking back villages and towns on the outskirts of mosul, but it is very slow going. Theyre up against roadside bombs. Theyre up against suicide car bombers, bombs, cars and trucks laden with explosives and driven at high speeds toward the front line. Some of the i. S. I. S. Fighters in these villages are willing to fight to the death. This, after all, is a death cult that many people join because, you know, they want to become a martyr. And even if i. S. I. S. Runs away from some of those vegs, when the kurdish and iraqi forces get there, they find the buildings, the houses in those villages rigged with homemade bombs, with explosives, and they have to clear those before they can move on. So they have taken back a number of villages and towns, but it is pretty slow going. Rose i mentioned peshmerga. Who else is involved in this fight . Well, its the kurdish and iraqi forces, so far. When things begin to heat up and move towards mosul city itself, i think well see the participation of more local sunni militias. Then you have iraqs shiite militias. Now, they have been very effective in defeating i. S. I. S. In other parts of country, but theyre also accused of carrying out atrocities of exacting, you know, retribution on local sunni muslim populations. Now, my understanding at this point is that they are not going to go into mosul city. They are going to fight on the southwest edge of the city. Rose whats happening to the people inside mosul . Well, we know very little. There are around, you know, a million residents inside mosul. I. S. I. S. Tried to stop them communicating two the outside world. Its prevented them from leaving. Mobile phones are banned. Some people are getting out. They often have very little intelligence. They can say whats happening in their neighborhood. They can talk about friends and neighborhoods who may have been imprisoned or tortured or executed, but they dont necessarily have intelligence about the big picture. Interestingly, earlier this week, i. S. I. S. Put out a propaganda video claiming to show life kind of going on as normal inside mosul with street scenes, people on the street, market stalls, that kind of thing, but they also put out a couple of execution videos for mosul, barbaric execution videos weve seen. From i. S. I. S. Were reminded thats part of normal life under i. S. I. S. In mosul. Rose there are also reports i. S. I. S. Is using human shields. The United Nations has said it has information that several hundred families have been taken by i. S. I. S. And are specifically being used as human shields. We cant confirm that but we can say the million or so civilians inside mosul are all potentially human shields because i. S. I. S. Is preventing them from leaving. Remember, the fighting weve seen so far has been on the outskirts of mosul and most of those towns and villages are uninhabited. The residents left two years ago when i. S. I. S. Blitzed across Northern Iraq, yet its still slow going. Imagine how much more difficult its going to be when the kurdish and iraqi forces get into mosul city itself, which is a denselypacked urban area and theyre fighting street to street and u. S. Coalition airstrikes will be much more difficult because of the risk of mass civilian casualties. Rose understanding that, how well as american and Coalition Air power been used so far in the advance as well as artillery . I think its been instrumental. You know, weve seen air strikes that have taken out i. S. I. S. Vehicles, that have taken out buildings, that are being used by i. S. I. S. There is no doubt it has enormous impact on the fight against i. S. I. S. Earlier this week, were in a village and this is very typical i. S. I. S. Had built a network of tunnels under that village where they were hiding out. The u. S. Coalition had intelligence that was the case, and they managed to hit those tunnels with four different airstrikes. So their normsly useful. Interestingly today, the peshmerga, the Kurdish Forces put out a statement saying the u. S. Coalition airstrikes hadnt been as useful as they hoped in the fight against i. S. I. S. To the north of mosul. Rose how many directions are they advancing on mosul . Certainly from the north, they said. I assume from the east. Yeah, most of the fighting is there the north, east and south. So we have iraqi forces closing in from the south. On the east, its a mixture of iraqi and Kurdish Forces and, from the north, mainly Kurdish Forces. Rose is there anyonict taking place between the forces opposing i. S. I. S. In mosul in terms of they come from different Strategic Interests and different cultural and historical backgrounds . Well, as you know, there are very, very deep divisions along ethnic and religious lines in iraq. So far during this offensive, im not aware of any infighting. But there has in recent months been fighting between the shiite militias and Kurdish Forces, both ostensibly i. S. I. S. But joes ling for positions inside iraq. The big fear is during the offensive inside mosul and perhaps after i. S. I. S. Has been defeated, those different groups come into conflict with each other. Rose mosul is primarily a sunni city or not . That is correct. Its predominantly a Sunni Muslim Arab city. Rose how long do they think the battle will last . I dont know the answer to that and i dont think anybody knows the answer to that. There are a whole loft variables there. First of all, what is i. S. I. S. Going to do . We think they have fewer than 5,000 fighters in the city. Are they going to and stay and fight to the death or run away . Thats clearly a big factor. Secondly, think about the iraqi forces because theyre going to be the driving force, as far as we understand it, inside mosul city. Now, iraqi soldiers ran away two years ago when i. S. I. S. Blitzed its way across Northern Iraq. Since then the u. S. Military says they have been retrained, its an entirely new army and theyre ready to take on i. S. I. S. Lets see if thats true in this battle for mosul. The other important factor is the people of mosul themselves, what are they going to do . When i. S. I. S. First took mosul, many residents were on the streets cheering them on because it is a redocumently sunni sums city and most of the residents were fed up with the Iraqi Government in baghdad dom united by shiite muslims. Have they changed their minds . Do they no longer see i. S. I. S. As revolutionaries, as heros, and will they rise up against i. S. I. S. During this offensive . Rose there has been one american casualty. What is the american presence on the ground and what is the risk to them . Well, thats a very interesting question. When you talk to officers in the u. S. Military, they insist that their role during this offensive is to advise and assist the iraqis and that the iraqis directing this offensive and that the americans and the u. S. Coalition is simply there to help. Certainly, thats what theyre doing with airstrikes, thats what theyre doing with artillery based south of molds thats being use mosul being used to hit i. S. I. S. However, we have seen american troops close to the front line, for instance north of mosul. They dont want to be captured on camera or talk to us but they are there. We actually saw other Coalition Troops from a european country firing on i. S. I. S. From that front line. Rose so they are on the front line and exposed. You know, the u. S. Military stresses that they are not in combat roles, but this is still a combat environment and its dangerous. Rose they also acknowledge they will be defensive and engage in combat if they have to. Im sure thats the kay. Rose finally, there is the question of where is albaghdadi . Is there any sense of who is running the i. S. I. S. Troops inside of mosul . You know, thats so mysterious, and albaghdadis whereabouts are also mysterious. You know, the u. S. Military told us that they have intelligence that some i. S. I. S. Leaders and their families are fleeing mosul already ahead of this offensive and heading west toward syria, toward some of the strong holds that i. S. I. S. Has there. Raqqa, de facto capital in syria whether that includes albaghdadi and his family, we just dont know. Rose but we can tell whether they have closed the route from mosul which has been a primary route from mosul to raqqa. That is still open for them to flee . They still have territory that connects those two cities. Thats correct. Rose Holly Williams, cbs news. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose Zeid Raad Al Hussein is here, u. N. High commissioner for human rights. He addressed the Human Rights Council in a special session friday about the ongoing crisis in aleppo calling the city a slaughter house. With Coalition Forces advancing in mosul against i. S. I. S. , also warned of the possibility of human shields. I am pleased to have him back on the program. Welcome. Thank you very much. Rose you said that the bombardment of aleppo constitutes crimes of an historic proportion. Tell me whats happening and why it brings such strong language. Well, even on the scale of the atrocities we have witnessed in syria not just in syria, also in iraq, its almost one battle space, after all. The fact that you have 275,000 or so people hemmed in, having endured the war for a number of years now and then being subjected to this bombing which seems to be utterly indiscriminate, bakeries, hospitals, schools, almost nowhere is safe in eastern aleppo. Now, of course, being put in a situation where they have to make choices. But the main point, charlie, is that they have to make the choice. If they want to leave, we should be able to bring them out. If they want to stay, we should be able to at least afford them some fort some form of protection. If they want to leave and return, that should be possible as well. Rose weve seen the hoer Pacific Pictures of children stunned by the toll of war. Absolutely disgraceful. How can we take pride of the achievements of humanity in the 21st century when in the newspapers, the internet, on your show, we all are exposed to these the suffering at an extreme scale. And how could we not be moved . And as you rightly suggested, its not just limited to one particular location, but because we see other crimes being committed in many parts of the world, these allegations, in most part that have to be proven in court, but what does it say about us . Rose why are we impotent . Well, i think, at the moment, we seem to have completely lost our way. My interpretation is that the narrowest agendas are eclipsingg the interests of the broader whole. There is a sort of greed in us, the pursuit of the i dont know if you can describe it as strategic, but it seems to be razor thin, and it comes at the expense of communities, of cultures of people around the world and its difficult to explain. Rose lets set the stage. Aleppo, where is it in syria . Its in the north sort of western quadrant and not far from the turkish border. Rose second largest city damascus. Thats right. Rose there is the east and the west. Thats right. Rose the west is occupied by the regime. Thats right. Rose the east is go ahead. Yes, thats right. Rose and the east is occupied primarily by forces opposed to the regime. Thats right. Rose who are they . Well, its a collection of armed groups and, of course, youve heard the russians make the argument that parts of this opposition, alnusra, the ideological twin of i. S. I. L and they enjoy the support of the western and regional powers. Rose is that true . To the certain extent, yes. To a certain extent, that is the case. But what we have seen in eastern aleppo and we have also condemned the use of mortars, these mortars that have incendiary sort of heads to them. The use of these by the armed groups. But what weve seen recently is that the vast majority of casualties are as a result of the aerial bombing by the Syrian Air Force together with its allies, of course. Rose the Russian Air Force and Syrian Air Force are doing the bombing. Thats right. Rose would sanctions be appropriate now . Would they have an impact now . Or would they cause either forces to do Something Different or to restrain themselves or to come to some kind of humanitarian effort . Well, i think the point that i was trying to make earlier today before the Human Rights Council is that, whatever the position of either side or the three sides or the five sides in this chess game, the level and degree of human suffering insuring now needs to be surely now needs to be at the forefront of everyones mind. Whatever advantage can be gained by taking or defending aleppo, this must be outweighed now by the pounding of flesh and blood that has occurred over the last few days that needs to now stop. We have a pause. We have to hope that this pause is now lengthened and that this opens the way to some now very concerted effort to bring this war eventually to an end. Surely, you cannot hope to have a sort of stable that part of the mediterranean, at least, but beyond that, if this continues in the same way and then we have iraq next door, of course. Rose this would not be happening without the Russian Support of assad. I think the russians stated repeatedly that theyre taking every measure to avoid civilian casualties and civilian casualties as a result of aerial operations, military operations. In every case, whether the bombings we see in yemen or the bombing weve seen in afghanistan when the u. S. Forces attacked the m. S. F. Hospital or in syria or in every case, we ask for a proper investigation where we believe the targeting to be indiscriminate and possibly a war crime, and if it was intentional then maybe a crime against humanity, then surely there must be a proper investigation and follow through with that. And this is what we need to do. Rose you calling it war crimes has created a response in terms of people take note, its been in newspapers and online all day today. Yes. Rose what you have said. What was the reaction at the United Nations . Well, i think there is a sort of very lively debate that took place in geneva today on this issue, and i havent seen the detailed responses, but i can imagine that the reactions would be quite strong. I have no reservations about making those comments because, as you yourself said, you know, just the simple exposure to what weve seen in photographic imagery, the sources that have been relaying this information to us make it very clear that the bombing seems to be indiscriminate in many aspects and, therefore, one has to draw the conclusion and subject to a confirmation by a court at a later stage that what we are seeing before us is indeed the commissioner of missio commif massive war crimes. Rose do the Syrian People in the east, men, women and children, want to evacuate . At the moment, it doesnt look like it. I think they are fearful of what may happen to them once they leave their homes. Horrific as it may be to remain in their homes, they seem to want to stay unless, you know, further guarantees potentially are given to them. But for the time being, it doesnt look like they want to go. Rose they fear the unknown . They fear the unknown, yes. They fear the unknown. Rose but we know after the balkans, finally, there were people convicted of war crimes and went to jail. Absolutely. Rose thats what youre suggesting, people who perpetuate this should be tried and, if convicted, put in jail . Thats correct. I think thats where we have to make a very decisive departure from a humanity that is unshackled that feels that, in wartime, anything is possible. I think cicero once said that when a war starts, the law falls silent. Where the law shall not fall silent, there have to be limits to what it is competence can do and need to observe and i think, clearly, there has to be no impunity for the commission of these sorts of crimes. Rose there are others who argue that wont stop it, that the only thing that will stop it will be a show of force against assad and the russians, that, obviously, humanitarian appeals are not working. Do you think that is not a wise solution . Well, you touch on a very interesting point because we used to believe that if enough people were horrifieder, as we saw in sarajevo in early 1994 the marketplace was bombed there, i think 68 people were killed, it was very graphic, and the n. A. T. O. Mobilized rose and discovered essentially the equivalent of genocide. This is the case, yes. And the feeling has been that if you show people whats happening around the world that they begin to mobilize and react, and what were worried about now is there is a sort of people feel tranquilized, almost. Theyre numb. They dont know what to make of it all, and, so, the resultant pressure you would want to see on governments, on the u. N. Security council doesnt seem to be there and knot withwith standing the attempts by people like yourself or us and the sort of human rights field and the u. N. , and, so, there is an intense frustration. I mean, you hope that people realize that, when you see enough killing and wanton destruction, that we cannot possibly advance as humanity if we prolong this experience. Rose it reminds me of the notion that unless you do something, history will judge you very badly. I think so. I think so. I mean, the pursuit of a narrow tactical gain, the pursuit of even a strategic gain at the expense of a very large number of innocent lives will not shield you from future indictment, from whether it be by historians or prosecutors, your reputation will be so entirely sullied, and deservedly so. So the long i mean, for one, you shouldnt be doing it anyway. There are rules, the basic rules of proportionality, distinction and precaution. Proportionality, the attack has to be proportionate to the threat. Distinction, you must distinguish between civilians and armed competence. You take every precaution to see that civilian casualties do not incur. Rose does this need leadership from a nation state or can the United Nations be the rallying point for doing something . Well, i think its the combination of different factors. It kneads leadership at the international level, and the United Nations has been trying to create the right atmosphere to try and create the right space for these efforts to bear fruit, and i think stefan has been heroic in what he has been trying to achieve. We from our side will continue to report and speak out, no matter what the identity of the attacker, whoever is attacking, if there are victims that have suffered excruciatingly, or not, even if theyre not suffering injuries that are that bad, we will still Say Something on their behalf. Rose what do you worry about in mosul. In mosul, at the moment rose in the battle for mosul. We have been very clear, and im sure you discussed this earlier today, that the use of hume upshields by i. S. I. L is deeply, deeply worrisome. Weve heard they have kept certain communities close to their places of concentration. Weve heard they have been moving populations from villages toward mosul. If there is any resistance, there have been allegations of on the spot executions which we are looking at, and the final analysis, of course, what were worried about is that, in those parts of the outer sort of parts of mosul and then as you move in, that the Iraqi Security forces, the military and security wont be alone, that you will have these other armed groups and, as we saw in fallujah only a few weeks ago, they exacted their retribution on those who had surrendered. And this places the people of fallujah in a very difficult situation. Of course, you would assume they would want to flee from i. S. I. L, but if they flee from i. S. I. L into the path of an oncoming armed Group Representing one of the shia militia and are exposed to atrocities from that side as well, then theyre placed before an impossible situation. What weve hoped and called for the Iraqi Governmentyto observe is that any vetting of any fighters over 15 years old needs to be done by authorized military personnel, not by these other armed groups. Rose dispensing what they call instant adjudication. Thats right. And also that this is an important point, that when they see a young fighter who they believe is from i. S. I. L, to remember that that person is a child first and then possibly connected to i. S. I. L second, and not to look at it the other way around. Rose you have a tough job. I do. Rose but thank you for coming. Thank you so much. Rose well be right back. Stay with us. Rose moonlight is the new film from writer director Barry Jenkins. It is an adaptation of terrells play focusing on three pivotal periods of a young man as he comes to terms with his sexuality and struggles to find his identity. It is written the film has the best take on black masculinity ever. Heres a look. What are you looking at me like that for . Come on, man, you just drove down here . Yeah. Where are you . Come on, im trying not to remember. Its so important you have to decide for yourself who youre going to be. Cant let nobody make that decision for you. You want to tell me why the other boys kick hiss as all the time . Im good. Seen good. You aint it. Remember the last time i saw you. Youre my only. Im the only. No, no, no no, no, you gonna listen. To who, ma . To you . I aint seen you in, like, a decade. Its not what i expected. What did you expect . Rose joining me is writer and director of the film Barry Jenkins and three cars, trevante rhodes, Naomie Harris and andree holland. Pleased to have each of them at the table for the first time. Welcome. Thanks. Rose trevante, theyre raving about you. What is it you hope to accomplish by this film . People has said moonlight is a story that doesnt get told often and character we dont see often, theyre, like, voiceless, so my greatest hope for the film and its what ive experienced in toronto and london, these places far removed from the setting of the film. Rose miami. And inner city miami, just these four square blorks that people can see themselves in these characters who they assume are nothing like them. And its been my experience that people are finding a way to genuinely empathize with the story were telling and the characters that were showing in this film. Rose you know miami. Born and raised, yeah. Rose and how did that shape this story . Hugely, you know. There is this almost anesthesia i think that happens when youre working in a place you know. Ive seen in the film where the character says, you know, sometimes that breeze comes through the hood, you know, and the liberty city where i grew up is three miles from the ocean. Sometimes you can smell it. I think knowing those kinds of things, you go into a location with more confidence, the same as the emotional currency you felt growing up there. Rose who is shirone. A beautifully flawed individual, coming to terms with who he is, finding out what love is, finding the relationship with his mother and finding out about life in general. Rose tell me about his mother. Paula who is a struggling single parent dealing with a severe crack cocaine addiction as well. Rose whats interesting is you see him at different parts in his life. How hard is that to pull off . I thought that would be impossible. Rose mother stays the same. I wanted to have a foundation and bedrock. I think the time between the chapters is changing the character. The men are shaped by the environment. The hope was if we found actors with the same feeling in their eyes that you could see the soul of the character across all three parts and so far i think thats what people are experiencing. Rose andree, what was the challenge for you. I play kevin a childhood friend of shirone and becomes the object of his affection. I came in at the end of the film, out of nowhere, we dont understand why he comes back and theyre on screen for a very long time working through a problem and we dont know quite what the motivation of the character is. That was a big challenge identifying the motivation. Rose Tanehisi Coates said barry has this ability to capture black folks in their ordinariness without making statements or declarations. So often art bams about blackness or lgbt issues engages in a debate about whether were human or not. Barry spheps past it and says its not an argument worth having. He tells the viewer you have to accept this, you have to accept theyre human. I wholeheartedly agree with that. Not just because its ta tanehi coates. The idea the characters are inherently human is not a foreign concept to us. We were just trying to accurately portray what we experienced growing up. I think you end up with something thats specific and universal because youre not thinking about this or that issue. Rose we talk about masculinity and identity. Are they one in the same . I think for this character they are. They are one in the same. I think what happens is there is this performance of masculinity that the world is projecting at you always. This is how a man walks, talks, speaks to another man, this is how he speaks to a woman, and i think when youre getting that sort of stimulus so much from the outside world, you start to lose your grip on what your idea of masculinity is, which i think if youre a man growing up in the world we grew up in, its very key to your identity, and it becomes harder selfidentify the more youre receiving this positive and negative reinforcement of what masculinity should look like. Rose when you were thinking about playing at the age you play him and the connection to andree, did you look at the earlier performances . No. Actually barry didnt allow it at all. We were both trying to find some semblance of something. Rose a thread. Something, but barry, he was really adamant about it as well, but i guess that was kind of to depict how we change so drastically throughout our lives at certain point. So its engenius that you knew mr. Barry. I feel like the world is shaping the character so much that when you meet him in each chapter, hes become a different person, and i wanted to keep the soul of the character so if you look in his eyes, you still see the little boy, but hes a different person. He and andree works where that old person slowly comes back to the surface. Rose you come to the realization shirone is gay. How does that affect the relationship paula has with him . I think she really cant accept it, she finds it disgusting, unpalatablenned its part of her further rejection of her son as well. I think she genuinely fears for his safety and what that means growing up in the kind of community theyre growing up in. Its not something easily accepted by anyone in that community. Rose is homosexuality different in terms of perception, in terms of cultural relationships in the black community . I wouldnt say so. I think homophobia is we were talking about masculinity earlier is something that maybe is inherently in conflict with masculinity. I dont know if its in conflict with blackness. There is an anecdote shooting the film where the kids are playing football in the story and theyre playing throwup tackle. In brazil you get newspaper, balls it up and whoever catches it, you tackle that kid. Its about power. Were filming and a white guy from the suburbs says what are they playing . Tackle. He said, we call that smear the queer where i grow up. Rose he was from brazil . No, ohio. A white, middle Class Community in ohio yet the same game were playing, one community labels it overtly in sexual terms, the other community is just about power. Yet the community i played it in labeled it overtly homophobic and the other one doesnt have those associations. So its a bit about perception. I think its why the theme of masculinity was so important to the film. I think its why people i have been to tel teruride and ln and people see themselves in the film wherever you go. Rose the search for identity. And as men. I think the way other men around us when were boys, teenagers and adults, this trying to reinforce what a man looks and sounds like and i think men all over the world can identify what that pressure looks like. Rose how did shirones first sexual experience affect him . I think it confused him profoundly. I think he i mean, obviously, he you who he was, but he just didnt know that, for one, this person he felt this connection with was the same way and he didnt understand how he he didnt understand how to feel, i guess. You know, i think. Rose how much because you were so close and you knew the author and you knew the neighborhood, did you have to direct more because you had such a deeplyfelt sense of this story . You know, its funny. No one asked that question but i did, and i thought i would have to direct less. Thats what i assumed. But then we got there and particularly then naomie showed up because we had an issue with her visa, we ended up doing her work in three consecutive days, and directing someone who looks like your mom and as you understand like your mom and is being your mom is intense. I had to compartmentalize my personal leaf, then also it was impossible to keep it separate from the work, but i think it made the work better because we did things i hadnt considered and i think were very inspired and came from the character. Rose you obviously wanted her badly. Yes. Rose why was that . Well, because shes the only character thats in all three films. She tees bedrock of the piece and i thought, also, too, it would take a lot of skill to do the things she was doing that were very dark and in some cases ugly and still preserve the humanity of the character and i felt someone as gifted and amazing as Naomie Harris could pull it off. Rose and how does kevin change . Pretty drastically. Hes the guy who, as barry said, acts out the performance of masculinity in the second story, but in the third story he let go to have the mask and has become a more vulnerable, authentic person. Liberated. And is reaching out to this guy and drawing him out of himself nu whats the most challenging thing for you, barry . It was getting past the initial hurdle. I thought i would hide behind the playwright but i thought its his biography, not mine, and i will keep myself out of it. Rose what are the autobiographical elements for you. Everything involving the mother. Rose that was you in your relationship with your mother. Yes. When the piece first came to me, thats the first thing i saw in it. Some of the things i went through with my mom and i hadnt talked about them. I think to the point i was going to accept the story and tell it fully was the biggest hurdle. Rose are you surprised by the reaction and did you measure the reaction . I wrote a journal about a week before the movie premiered to tell myself what i thought of the film, what i was proud of, and in the end, no matter what anybody thought, i was proud of the work we all did. Rose are you finding people want to communicate with you because of this film . Big final. Rose why are you laughing . People are just deeply moved to see themselves represented in letters because they dont see themselves very often. These guys do a great job. Theyre seeing it in a true way. They say how did you know this . I said i didnt, but glad you saw it . This scene, a drug dealer returning 9yearold shirone back to his mother. Here it is. knocking what happened . Why didnt you come home like youre supposed to, huh . And who is you . Nobody. I found him yesterday. Found him in a hole on 15th. Yeah, that one. Some boys chased him in the cut. Hes scared more than anything. Wouldnt tell me where he lived till this morning. Well, thanks for seeing to him. He usually can take care of hisself. Hes good that way. But little man. Rose who did the adaptation . I did. Rose you wrote the script as well . Yeah, and i wrote it really, really quickly because it just came pouring out of me. It was like ten days, the first draft. Rose each of you, tell me about your reaction to having experienced this film and th message of it and the sense that youre part of something as a matter of fact resonates. Its been an extraordinary journey. Its so incredible to see people who you wouldnt naturally think are represented in the story be so deeply moved about it. It has the ability to strip back all the labels we attach to ourselves, that society attaches to us and connect profoundly with peoples hearts and say this is a story about humanity, and humanitys search for connection, love and identity, and thats a universal search. Rose paula has a strength as well as vulnerability . Yeah, absolutely. Shes had to develop this incredibly tough exterior, but underneath that, shes fundamentally a woman in pain. Rose congratulations to all of you. Thank you. Rose there is much talk about future awards, and i wish you well. Thank you, charlie. Rose back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose we leave you tonight with a special and exclusive performance by ms. Lauryn hill, a grammy awardwinning artist just released an updated version of her 2002 hit rebel. I find it hard to say song. Same version, more context even more relevant now. Available now. Her world tour kicked off this week in los angeles. From our studios in new york city, ms. Lauryn hill performing rebel. I find it hard to say. T i find it hard to say, that everything is alright dont look at me that way, like everything is alright cuz my own eyes can see, through all your false pretenses but what you fail to see, is all the consequences you think our lives are cheap, and easy to be wasted as history repeats, so foul you can taste it and while the people sleep, too comfortable to face it his life so incomplete, and nothing can replace it replace it. And what i gotta say oh, is rebel oh we cant go down this way rebel and what i gotta say, is rebel, it cant go down this way rebel and while the people sleep, too comfortable to face it your lives are so incomplete and nothing can replace it fret not thyself i say, against these laws of man cuz like the bible says, his blood is on their hands and what i gotta say, and what i gotta say, is rebel it cant go down this way rebel what i gotta say is rebel. It cant go down rebel oh, all i gotta say, oh, is rebel oh no, it cant go down, cant go down rebel uhhuh, youre satisfied, oh, youre satisfied, uh uhhuh, youre satisfied, uhhuh, youre satisfied then rebel rebel rebel rebel rebel rebel rebel you got to rebel oh, youve got to rebel youve got to rebel cant go down cant go down cant go down cant go down cant go down cant go down cant go down cant go down cant go down stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up stand up and live stand up and live. Stand up and live. Stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and stand up and live oh, you got to rebel you got to rebel you got to rebel oh, you got to rebel you got to rebel said you got to rebel said, you got to rebel you got to rebel stand up and live no, cant go down no, cant go down no, i cant go no, i cant go down no, i cant go no, i cant go no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no said i cant go down no i cant go down oh, oh, oh, oh cant go down cant go down cant go down stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live rose for more about this program and earlier episodes, visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Youre watching pbs. Youre watching pbs. 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