Transcripts For KQED Charlie Rose 20160820

Of this rose how would you define the character . Irreverent . Irreverent, just, like, white idiot. Just, like, a stepfordy Sorority Girl who didnt know better with a lot of oneliners. You start out and youre just getting stage time however you can, but most shows are open mics, which means youre performing only in front of other comedians waiting to perform who paid to be there. Its productive, but its a rough thing to do, and there is not great energy in the room. So i would have to surprise people into laughing. If you get a laugh at those, its not easy. Rose and they would be surprised they were laughing . Yeah, because everybody is looking at their notebook to go up so you would have to Say Something that caught them offguard to pay attention, so there was more of a shock factor. As times gone on, ive moved further away from that. I still love a good oneliner or something with a twist. Rose what did you move to . More storytelling and more of who i really am. I think you know, we have different versions of ourselves. Who i would be at a party with my best friends really saying what i think and being kind of on rose amy schumer for the hour, next. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose amy schumer is here. She is an actor, writer, producer and now author. As a standup comedienne, she plays to soldout audiences around the world. Her 2016 tour was voted pollsters comedy tour of the year. So i showed up to film this movie, and i was, like, i think im a model now. laughter i was seriously i think a lot of girls are like this. We have a sneaking suspicion in the back of our heads, like, am i maybe. Gorgeous . laughter i think im gorgeous. cheers and applause right . Im gorgeous but i just havent stumbled on the right hairdo, you know . laughter one day on a whim, ill just cut banks and everybody will be like, damn im, like, oh, my god treat me the same, you guys im the same person under here and theyre like, we cant, were too hard. And im, like, i get it but then, my stunt double was a guy. laughter just in case youve never been to l. A. , it is filled with the most Beautiful People from all over the world. So picture the most beautiful girl in your high school, like the one you wanted to be okay, im talking to the guys right now laughter and everybody was, like, youre too pretty for buffalo, brittany go to l. A. go laughter everyone is hot there. Everybody. Okay, i saw a guy, he was cleaning up a pizza hut bathroom, i would have paid this guy to bleep me. I would have paid him good money people dont even see me there. Theyre just like, is that a fat tumbleweed, like, whats laughter my body type there, my arms register as legs there. laughter theyre, like, is that an octopus . I dont understand. And my legs register as fire wood. Theyre just like why is the b. F. G. On sunset . laughter thats the secret, i found out. Thats hollywoods secret, they dont put food in their faces, and thats not an option for me. Like, i dont know how it was in your house growing up, but in my house it was you would eat until you were in a lot of pain, then you take a little breather. laughter and you get yourself back in even more pain, right . Like, i was born weighing 150. I just came out swinging, like, gimme lin linguine, ma cheers and applause thats how its been. I have never in my life, ive never said this sentence in my life, ive never said, oh, my god i forgot to have lunch today like, never in my life. laughter if anything, iived, oh i have been, oh, bleep , i had two lunches. Rose she has a show slated for fifth season but not in the foreseeable future. In 2015 it received a peabd and yes, maam for outstanding sketch series as well as a critics choice award. Amy, you are not nothing. You are not nothing. You are not overweight. Okay. How does a woman who does not know how to sew learn to sew and then go on to sew a flag for her country . And if so, what could her name be . Oh, i know fo sho, her name, bbbbb like betsy and shes meant to sew a flag that will wave just like this trying to prove that her state exists. Her country. And that is act one. Thats act one . As i just said, that is act one. Okay. And then act two is more like, pop culturey, like, im so betsy its gettin flag in here, so wave it off, wave it off. I heard you call to her flag sewn rose she wrote and starred in her first film last year called trainwreck, made 140 million worldwide. Like this, youre feeling better . This more careful. Ill tell you if i can feel it. Im still getting a little bit of a wind. Oh, jesus. Rose and if that wasnt enough, she has written her first book, called the girl with the lower back tattoo. Entertainment weekly says the book is laugh out loud funny when schumer wants it to be but more often is surprisingly honest and raw. It is a series of essays that range in subject matter from being a member of new money to which she wants people to say at her funeral. Like her comedy and life, her book received high praise for rawness and insight. All of that makes me very pleased to have amy schumer at this table for the first time. Welcome. Its about time for you to be here. I know. I really wanted to make you wait. Rose did you really . laughter why now to write this book . Because it really is revealing. Yeah. Yeah, i think well, i have been working on it for, like, four to five years, actually, and kind of since i was 13 because i wrote journals from age 13 to 23, and i kept very detailed log of my life. Rose in anticipation of being famous and wanting to write a book . No, i think just like every other kid, i read th the diary f anne frank and it seemed appealing and therapeutic to keep a record and kind of express myself, and, i dont know, made life feel more real to me. It made it feel like it actually existed to write down things that happened. And, so, there are excerpts from the journals, actually excerpts of foot notice and annotations and, yeah, but i have been working on this book for years. This wasnt al, you know, nows the time and i can make money, let me throw it together. Rose a note to my readers, hey, its me, amy. I wrote a book, this is something i want to do for a long time because i love to make people laugh and feeling better. Some of the stories you read here will be funny like the time i bleep myself in austin and some will make you feel blue like the time my sister and i were almost sold into sex slavery in italy. Some stories are not in the book though they happened. Everything in this book happened, all truth and nothing but the truth so help me god but it isnt the whole truth. Believe it or not, i dont tell you guys everything. You do tell us a lot, though. I do tell you a lot. Rose and you say you didnt tell stories about anybody you didnt first say to them, im going to tell this story . Right, nobodys actual name is in the book. Rose yeah. I checked with everybody and they read what was going to be written about them and they approved of it. Rose you call these essays . I guess, yeah. Rose how you. About things in a moment. Yeah, and what happened. The thing thats good about keeping journals is you have the records of what actually happened. Rose whats interesting is you say youre not nora ephron, everything is copy, you dont feel that way. Yes, i dont feel that way. I feel that if im going to Say Something that might hurt someones feelings or they might be embarrassed by it, i want to make sure ive had people say, please dont write about me. Or ive written things and they say, im not comfortable with that, and i wont put it out. But everything ive said on tv or in interviews, ive spoken to the people in my life first and they said it was okay. When i was first starting out, i would make a joke, and a friend would get upset. This is 13 years ago that i learned that lesson. Its not worth it to hurt anybody that you care about for a joke. Sowf thing is not cop so everything is not copy to me. Rose for a joke or to sell a book . For a joke. Definitely not to sell a book. Rose whats different between a book and standup for you . This is the most personal thing ive ever been a part of. Its just literally what happened and how i felt about it and there is still jokes in there because even at the time i found the humor in it. But, yeah, its completely raw. Theres no facade. Its standup. Its a little bit of a character, even though i feel like my standup is getting more and more personal. But this book, its me, and its all true. Rose people like seinfeld and others have come to this table and what they in essence are, they say, are standup comedians, thats how theyd define themselves. You . A model. Rose a model. laughter no, i, um, i feel very much like a standup comic. But i first think of myself as a woman. Rose well, i think they think that, too. They think that theyre women as well . Rose well, no, but in terms of not thinking of themselves as a writer nor thinking of themselves as an actor or as, you know, a sketch comedian. I understand what youre saying. I thought of myself as a comic for the last 13plus years, and now i feel like im evolving. So i dont know, i would still say that im a comic, but i dont know if maybe in another 13 years i would say, no, im really more a writer and thats how i identify. But i identify as a comedian. Rose has this turned out like you anticipated . Writing a book . Rose no, the whole life. Yeah. Rose it was the dream . This has surpassed my dreams. I always knew that i would perform in some capacity, but i wasnt sure how, but i always believed things were going to work out. Rose did you have a comedic voice . Always, yeah. Rose and you knew that early on . Yeah, even as young as i can remember, i was making people laugh. Hearing myself say that, i want to throw up. Rose and that kind of defines you . In a sense, you can do that, it separates you. Yeah, it does. You either have it or you dont, and its a little bit of a super power as a kid because you can get yourself out of some trouble or into a lot of trouble, but it does separate you, and i always think of this thing that chris rock said in, actually, a pbs documentary, make em laugh rose right. He said, if ignorance is bliss, then whats the opposite of that . So comedians, i feel like we observe so much that it kind of is, like, a living hell. So it feels like this thing that youre kind of blessed with but its also a curse. Rose so that means comedians see life with maybe a different eye than the rest of us . Definitely. Rose we see the humor in things, the absurdity in things, all of that . Yeah, i think all of that. Rose yeah. And you knew that early . Yeah. Yeah. Rose and thats a comedic voice. And how do you how did you then go about in a sense honing it and making it what it became . Is it just i think just being open to evolving and, so, what was funny to me and how i was doing standup ten years ago is very different than how it is now. Rose how so . Well, i was really doing a character when i started, sort of this irreverent. Rose how would you define the character . Irreverent . Irreverent, just, like, white idiot, a stepfordy Sorority Girl who didnt know any better with a lot of oneliners. Because you start out and youre just getting stage time however you can, but most shows are open mics, which means youre performing in front of only other comeed waiting to perform who paid to be there. So its productive but a rough thing to do and there is not a great energy in the room. I would have to surprise people into laughing. If you get a laugh at those, its not easy. Rose and they would be surprised that they were laughing . Yeah, because everyone is looking at their notebook waiting to go up, so you would have to Say Something that caught them offguard to pay attention, so there was a little bit more of a shock factor. And then as times gone on, ive moved further and further away from that. I still love a good oneliner or something that has a twist. Rose and what have you moved to . More storytelling and more of who i really am. I think you know, we have different versions of ourselves. Who i would be at a party with my best friends really saying what i think and being kind of on, you know, when youre in the mood to kind of be social and youre kind of feeling it, thats me on stage. So its very much me right now with maybe a oneliner or two thrown in, thats just something awful, but mostly its the closest to myself that ive ever been, on stage. In your 20s youre so corrupt with power, especially if youre in love in your 20s. Member 20s love . Youre just so arrogant. Youre just, like, were so lucky we found each other. What are all these sad songs about . laughter i think of 20s love the same as the tsunami because i read that, in the tsunami, the tide was way in, so fish were flopping around the shore and people were, like, psyched. They were gathering them with baskets saying, i cant believe my luck look at all these fish thats, like, 20s love. Youre like for me and me and then youre like, oh, bleep and it murders you. laughter but, yeah. But enjoy it. laughter i dont like talking to really hot people. Im very grossed out being around someone gorgeous. But my friend talked to her, and he was, like, she was actually really funny. And i was, like, bleep you. applause no way. Theres no way we just have such low expectations for how people to be anything. Im, like, you were probably blown away she wasnt just sitting there playing with her bleep and drooling, going laughter im, like, what did she say that was so funny . He said, we were talking about playing pool later and she was, like, get ready to lose. I was, like, oh, whens her hour special coming out on hbo . cheers and applause rose who helped you shape it . Has chris rock helped you in a way . Chris helped me so much by just agreeing to direct my special. But jerry seinfeld, louie rose youre talking about the best. The best. I get to be friends with the best and we help each other. You know, i think its a lonely it seems like a lonely club at the top, and they were kind of excited not that im in their league but they were excited to have someone new who could sort of understand the level that they are operating at just in terms of the size of the venue and exposure and how, if they Say Something, it becomes national news, and theyve really done their best to advise me, even though i dont listen as much as i should. Rose whats the best advice they give . Well, louie and chris, they all tell me to just basically shut up and not respond to anything going on in the media. Rose yeah. But its hard. Rose its hard to do, especially in the world of twitter and yeah, and im a comic, a communicator by nature, so i want people to understand what im saying. And you want to be a part of the conversation. Yeah, and it just seems so unfair and unjust when either the celebrity culture that existed for so long where just straightup lies are printed, i want to say, hey, thats not true, and that makes it a bigger story, even by responding. But theyre very theyre, like, you know, just stay off that. Rose louie, he find it irresistible. He said things about the political race that he knew got him in trouble but he believed it so he repeated it. Yeah, and there is the moment of, should i, whatever. Rose yeah. And i personally felt very grateful he did that. Rose because you agreed with him. Well, i agreed with him, of course. But, yeah, their advice is to just shut my yap. Rose and this controversy about metsker, kurt metzger. Rose you would have never believed that. Did you feel like you shouldnt have weighed in or did it touch you. Kurt, one of the reasons hes such a great writer and contributor to our Television Show is because his views are so different from that of mine and most other writers in the courtroom especially jessie klein who is the head writer of the show. We butt heads and get in fights because he infuriates us. Its an interesting writers room because its always been very diverse with the views in there. We dont want it to be just onesided. Jesse and i have such similar sensibilities that its good it feels very positive to have someone in there saying, well, this is from the male perspective and not that kurt is but he is the most male, you know, like the most out there perspective possible. Kurts my friend. I love him. Im not on facebook, so i dont read his crazy rants. He gets something from going after people, making them mad. That is not representative of me at all. You know, ive asked him, can you just stop because it comes back to me. Because he writes for the show, its a bigger story because of our connection, and, so, whatever tangent hes gone off on, i have not agreed with, and its been really upsetting to me seeing someone i care about hurt themselves like this. So, you know, right now there is no plans for the tv show to come back in anytime in the near future. So nobodys on my staff. There are no writers. I think people want his head. They want to burn him at the stake. Rose and you want . I want them to not attach me to what hes writing. I would love to refocus the energy and the attention on the real problem, which is i feel people understanding rose its about rape. Its about rape and whats consensual and whats not because the way that hes been gone after because he baits people. Hes the problem, no question. But the focus is on him rather than on the real main problem. Rose you mean a smart understanding of what rape has become and what were now understanding about it. Yeah. Rose you look at whats happening on campuses and a whole range of places where people in 2016 are stepping forward who did not step forward before. Yeah, i think its great that people are stepping forward, and if its not done in a way that kurt feels is right, you know, thats really upsetting to hear. Its, like, we all need to be empowering each other, but to focus your energy on online trolling, if i did that, i wouldnt get anything done. Lets focus on actually getting the problem solved. I was Sexual Assaulted. I encourage women to come out. I want men to hear what happened so that there is no confusion because there are different people have different understandings of what Sexual Assault is, what rape is. So lets all get on the same page so that it happens less. Rose it is extraordinary when you see somebody come out and make an accusation and then all of a sudden, you know, especially if its with somebody wellknown, all of a sudden you see people who have experienced the same thing and stepped forward to say, me, too. Yeah. Rose but i was afraid to speak out. Yeah. I think its good. Its helpful and it makes people feel less alone, and its such an unfortunate, awful thing with all these gray areas where you dont know because of things like this, where there is so much victim shaming. When a woman says they were assaulted, a lot of peoples first reaction is to say, no, you werent. Like, why what were you what was the situation . Rose what were the circumstances. Yeah. Rose how late was it . They treat it like the salem witch trials and its unfair and makes women not want to come forward. Rose was it hard for you the talk about it . Was it hard for me to write about it . Rose yes. Yes, i was hard to revisit. It was painful because i feel like when im reading my journals, it feels like im reading about another girl and i feel bad for her and my heart breaks that happened and my first reaction was because the guy felt so bad, my first reaction was to comfort him, and thats really sad to me, and thats not how it should be. So, yeah, im hoping that some people read that and, you know, on one side it makes them think, oh, this is not okay and maybe it will stop them from doing something, and a woman might be more likely to realize that its unfair and that somethings been taken from her and speak out about it. Rose do you feel today because of the power that you have from the success you have had and the fact that your success has been defined in part because youre willing to confront what you believe and say has given you more power . In other words, the success has given you a power thats even more than you would had before to be open about what you think and feel and you are less worried about any risk to career . No. Rose you still have that risk yeah, it doesnt make me change my behavior, but i think im every day more at risk to hurt my career. Rose because the bigger you are, the bigger the game, and people want to somehow engage you in some way. Right, and kind of take me down. There are organized things online of people trying to literally end my career. Rose how does that affect you . Its upsetting and then it goes very quickly from me being upset to being angry and making me want to work harder. Rose yeah. So i dont feel victimized for very long. It just fires me up and i say, well, im really not going to back down now. Rose you have that sense, im not backing down anymore. Yeah. Rose because what you found in yourself is not only success but confidence. Its confidence, but also i have an expectation of myself to be honest and proud how have im living. Do i think it will hurt my ticket sales on the road that i am so vocal about being a hillary supporter . Yes. Rose but do you care that much . About hillary . Rose no, i know how much you care about that. Youve made that very very clear. Do you care about how it affects ticket sales. No, im going to say what i mean and think. Rose i think people come see you because they find you really entertaining and funny and smart and interesting. Thank you. Rose well, thats true. And your politics are not going to keep them from being entertained by you. But it does somewhat, yeah. Its people who, you know, just in the same way, if i found out right now that one of my good friends from high school was planning on voting for trump rose you would . I would really pull back from the friendship. Thats such a huge line rose its a value defining value, yeah, all of it. So i think that people i think if i kept my mouth shut about my real feelings about politics or gun violence, i think, financially and careerwise, it would be financially better for me, but i dont care. Speaking of perfect gifts, this is a no brainer. This is a gun. Just your regular, run of the mill meat and potatoes handgun. How cute is that . I love that. You can hold it. Can i see this . Wow ok at that pow pow pow pow its like a toy but its extremely real. And now here is whats great about this. Now, pretty much anyone can purchase this. Oh, my god, this is so fun i love this hey, lady give me all your money and your makeup ow its so fun and on sale now. Call in. Hi, i wanted to guy buy a lot of these but i am a suspected terrorist on the no fly list. Oh. You are fine sweet potato fries. No fly list. No one can tell you you cannot buy a gun in this country youre trying to destroy. siren mass shooting which means the government could be coming from your guns soon, like they never have, but always might scary. Rose is your attraction to the candidacy of hillary more about her or more about and the values and the position she has more so than the fact that she is an historic candidacy . Oh, yeah. Thats a good way of saying that. I dont care shes ever gotten her period or had a baby. I care what a great candidate she is. I have been a fan of hers forever, and i think the work that shes done, and shes so crazy overqualified, and its not because i want a woman in the white house. I really dont care about that. I think thats an exciting thing and that it will be good for little girls and whatever, just in the same way i wasnt interested in the race of obama. Its, like, i wanted him to win. Its her. Rose you wanted him to win against her . No, no, i was excited about hillary, but once it became him rose once it became him, you were very excited about it. I was very excited about barack, once he was the candidate. Rose once he won the nomination. Right. Rose but before that when he was running against hillary. I was hoping hillary would win. Rose you were hoping hillary would win. Mmhmm. Rose how do you think hes been as president . I love him. Im going to miss him so much. Im so sad. Rose what are you going to miss . The style, intelligence . His smile. Rose his play list. No, i thought his play list was a little weird. Rose did you really . Why . I dont know. Thats not whats important. Rose no, its not important, its interesting. I like you can do no wrong, deangelo was on there. Its so all over the place. Rose what surprised you the most on the play list . I have it right here. Do you have it . Cool. Lets look at it. Do you . Rose i do. It will take me time to get this. Do they edit this . Rose no. Did they edit that out of cbs the other day . Rose our joke . Yeah. Rose about snoozing . No. Rose which joke . When you said how long . Rose oh, yes, yes. Did they take that out . Rose i hope not. Lets do it now. I. Lets talk about it. Rose i said, how long do you think this relationship will last. We were talking about my relationship with ben. Rose and i said how long. You just said how long. Rose i really meant you know what you meant. Rose but what did you do . You just said, how long. And i said, um laughter rose well certainly not going to edit it out. Thats comedic talent. Thank you. Rose it is. You think that way. Rose you play off of rose words meaning and you have associations. Mmhmm. Rose and you know whats funny. I think so. Rose so you said that. Yeah. It made you laugh. Caught you offguard. Rose everybody at the table laughed, too. None more than me. Yeah. Rose i caught it because i knew what i meant, and to a watch you take it to that place. I really took my time with it, too. Rose the timing was stunning. It was, like i really, yeah, i just stretched out that moment. Rose but that is what it is. Thats the gene you have. Yeah. Rose the ability to see sort of that funniness in Something Like that. Yeah. Rose but back to hillary for a second. You were for her against barack and when barack won, you were all in for barack. Yeah. Rose how much do you feel politically is antitrump . Who even really knows what he stands for. Rose or does he mean what he says. Right. Its just such a farce. Its awful. I think we all thought it was kind of funny when it started. It was, like, oh, my god, trump, thats hilarious. Rose the man from apprentice said im going to be president. And once it became a reality he was the candidate, its so disturbing. I dont even talk about trump in my standup. Its like shooting fish in a barrel. Rose really. Yeah. Rose whats the most contemporary thing you talk about in your standup today . Contemporary, politically . Rose yes. I talk about hillary and meeting her, and i talk about gun violence. Rose i know you do. Yeah. Yeah. I think those are the two of the most rose people i know this from talking to lots of comedians and having them at the table, you know, shaping standup is hard work. Yes, it is. Rose its joke by joke. After a full weekend of a bunch of shows, i might get a new ten seconds out of a new ten seconds in what im trying to shape for an hour set. Its a lot of work, yeah. Rose and i mean, ive talked to them, and they go to clubs and test it. Yep. Rose go up and you will find out whats good about it, how to shorten. Rose but what is the, yeah. Essence you have to have, of all the people you know, what does chris have, what do you have, what does jerry have, the range of people . You know more to have the young comedians than i do. Yeah, i hope so. It would be pretty strange if your opinion at the cutting edge of all the new comics. Are you busy . laughter rose what do they have . We all have first of all, an enormous love and obsession with comedy and with jokes. Its just this love and this you know, when chris agreed to he just offered to help me with the hours, and then i asked him to direct my hbo special, but it was really just the excitement of and it doesnt need to be you delivering the joke. If i could help someone with their jokes, its so fun. Its just this drive we have, this love of language, and this, you know, working out of ideas. We think of a premise, and its just, like, yes, oh, you could go so much further with that. We all just delayed in it the same way. Rose did you ever go back to things you used in an earlier standup and bring them back and just try them again . Yeah, well, jerry changed my thinking of using old material, just in terms of he said, you know, my generation of comics is this, once you stay it on tv, its burned, and you can never say it again. And then hes kind of, like, who do you think you are that everyones seeing every joke youve ever said . So give the audience the best show possibly. So right now, if im doing an hour and change show, ill do two jokes that might equal up to, like, a minute of some of my older stuff that or, you know, the jokes that im most proud of having ever written. And i liked that philosophy. You have to remind yourself, its not about you. These people have bought tickets. They got dressed up. They parked, and they want you to entertain them. I go up every show promising im going to do the best show ive ever done in my life, and i just want them to leave happy. Rose and you will do anything. I mean, you will give everything. Ill give everything. Rose its like springsteen on stage. Well, no, because i dont do, like, three hours and i dont get as sweaty. Rose is an hour about the right time . An hour, hour ant 20 minutes is about what i do. Rose did acting come naturally . Yeah, i have been in plays since i was 5. Just performing came naturally. I studied acting. I was trained in college and then i did a twoyear program with william esper. So it was something i wanted to get better at. Ive only ever cared about acting comedy and volleyball in my whole life. Rose did you watch volleyball at the olympics . I watched beach. I played indoor. Rose you play indoor . If at all, i play beach. Its easier to get people to play at the beach, just doubles. Rose how has the money made a difference in your life . Moneys been so nice. Its changed the way i travel, where i stay, and its just made the people im closest to, its been such a pleasure to be able to give to them, to my brother and sister and friends and just make life easier, you know, just to be able to spread it out and, yeah, and thats security. Its really nice, and its really nice to have not come from money to have it, because i really appreciate it. But, yeah, its the security because, you know, all i really care about is my friends and family and them being healthy and happy and i can help with that. Rose how long does this last . Do you have any sense of that . Not that you should know how long this would last. Do you worry that five years from now, i have to do everything i can. I am so hot, i have to go as fast and as fierce as i can to do as much as i can . I felt that way my whole life, and since ive gotten in this business. Yeah, thats how i felt. I dont feel like that now. I feel like ive hustled so hard for so long and i need to keep myself sane and healthy, and now i feel like i can slow down a bit. But i dont expect to be at this level forever or even necessarily much longer, and i dont aspire to it. I want to just i want to keep doing standup, i want to keep writing and creating stuff, but i dont want to do the work to keep myself at this sort of level of buzz. Rose you dont want that . No. Rose because its so intense . Its so intense. Rose and everybody is hanging on everything everywhere. I never wand that and i dont want it now. Rose but it goes with the turf that youre a part of now. Yep. Rose has there been a plan, though . I mean, was there some sense im going to make it in standup and i know how good that will be and i know how to be good because i know i have timing and i know i have comedic instinct, i just have to pay the price, i have to do the 10,000 hours, whatever it is, that kind of thing. Yeah, malcolm gladwell. Rose malcolm gladwell, right. I never thought of making even a dollar from standup. I tried it and i liked it and it was a way of performing, and then i didnt know that people had managers or agents. I had no idea about the industry. Then a college agent came and saw me at a show and said, you can perform at colleges and you can make, like, 500, 800 an hour. And my head exploded. And then it was, like, i would find out something as an opportunity would present itself, im a comedy manager. So it was a never means to any sort of ends to this will help me act. In l. A. I think you see a lot of models or people who are, like, well if i do standup that will be good for me to get hosting work. Rose exactly. It was never a plan. Ive never had a plan. Rose thats part of whats good about it. Thank you. Rose no, it is. Oh, okay. Rose well, you dont know. Its not like a plan. So it evolved and it finds its own direction. Right, follows the river. Rose and its own speed, too. Yeah. Rose thats what you said in here. Now that all my work, relationships, my tweets, body parts and my sandwiches are publicly analyzed, im proud i label myself a flawed normal human before anyone else did. I have been called everything in the book but ive always branded myself a tramp so the haters are going to have the to come up with something fresh. Yeah. Thats about my tattoo. Rose was it intent or what do you mean . Rose well, did branding yourself as a tramp its, like, my thats the metaphor of the book. Its, like, i have this big stupid lower back tattoo. So as soon as im in a bathing suit rose but you dont want us to see it. Well, no, its on the back. Rose oh, yes, its on the back i hadnt seen it there it is thats a nice tattoo. No, its not. Rose it is no, its raised because he went too deep. Its crooked, it doesnt mean anything. Rose so youre really defining the calligraphy of the tattoo. Yeah, its an awful tattoo. Its stupid. But i think its funny, and im not having it removed. But thats what im saying. Rose does ben like it . He seems to like everything. laughter i havent heard a complaint yet. Rose can we talk about how you and ben got together . Its in the book. Sure. Rose tell me. Well, we met on a dating app. Rose on a dating app. Amy schumer is looking for you know, it was, like, my friend Vanessa Beyer and i rose yeah. She told me about this app and we were looking through we were, like, lets sign up for it and we were ki of giggling and whatever but were both single and we were both seeing somebody but nothing we really wanted to nurture and we signed up. And its fun and youre, like, oh, my god, people rose and this is not swiping and all that stuff. No, it kind of is. Rose oh, it is. Its not tinder or bumble or anything like that. Its a site for creative people where its sort of private and you cant screen shot anything. So we both signed up. The very first match i got the very first day was with ben. This picture was him dancing at a wedding with his grandma. It was funny. It wasnt like other people who tried to play a song that would make you think they were cool. He was the first people that i talked to. I got off the app in under 48 hours, so i was Online Dating for 48 hours. So we met up. You know, we talked for about a month. Hes from chicago. He was going to be in new york. And we met up. He came to i was, like, can you just come over . And my sister was, like, you cant have a stranger from the internet come to your apartment, amy. Rose didnt you know that . Im just laysy. Thats how lazy i am. Im risking murder so i dont have to put a bra on. So, yeah, he was downstairs waiting and it was raining an he was holding a bottle of wine and we just kind of saw each other and it was just, like, i dont know, a peaceful moment. I had never experienced it. We just kind of smiled rose you never experienced the peaceful moment . That kind of moment of seeing someone. Because i never had gone on a date with a stranger anyway. Yeah, seeing each other and we just kind of walked to the restaurant. We were going to drink there. I just felt easy and calm and real and nice and, yeah, it was just sweet. Rose what surprises me is you hadnt found that before. Was that because you had been all work . Well, no, ive usually dated people that ive known. Rose yeah. So it wasnt that rose or somebody set you up with . The setups that id had were not like that. It was kind of, like, oh, okay. And im sure they felt the same way. But, no, i dont know, it felt different. It felt really sweet. Rose how much is acting because of the success of the film, how much is that going to be part of your future . Acting . Rose yeah. I dont know. Rose people love the movie. Its evident in the ticket sales, but they loved it. Yeah, they did. That was really nice. Rose they talk about it. Its like my Favorite Movie of that year. Yours . laughter you know, i want to do projects that im excited about and that i can be proud of. I just filmed this movie thank you for your service, which its a drama, and its by rose and did you choose it for what reason . Well, i chose i auditioned, so and i havent auditioned for very much this year. You know, thrfnlt been things that ive come across that i really want to be a part of. I thought, oh, i dont have a chance. I auditioned. Jason hall who wrote american sniper, he wrote this and directed it and speilberg is producing it so i thought, why am i wasting time . Rose so the writer from american sniper, stephen speilberg. Who else is in the project . Miles teller. Haley bennett. And, you know,ettes a great move its a great movie. Rose thats what its like to be amy schumer today. Yeah, thats exactly it. No, its amazing. Rose because youre good at what you do, a, and because you have box office appeal, people want to work with you. But i think in the end, people like stephen speel brlg, its quality. Its my audition. They said your audition got you the role which meant everything to me. Rose how hard did you prepare for that . I really prepared. Its an actual story. David finkel wrote the book and, so, i met the woman im playing and spent time with her and we became friends. Rose amy, this is you no, it is you are what you are because you cared more than anybody else to be good. Thats true. Rose it really is. Im surprised other people dont work harder. Rose i know. Thats why you are who you are. Rose yes. And they dont understand it, and theyre sort of why am i not doing that thing . Rose yeah. I had a phone interview the other day and this person said, youre the senator of new yorks daughter. And i said, you know what . Goodbye. But then there are people who you meet and you go, yes, you really care and you work your as off, too. Like goldie hawn. Rose absolutely. I just got to make this movie with her, she hasnt worked in 14 years, but she trusted me and chose to do this project and we had the best time and its funny and its an action movie. So and i did it because i really care about it. I dont want to go im not trying to make tons and tons of money acting. I can make money from standup, you know, if its something about finance. So im going to do stuff i can be really proud of. Rose are you getting that now because people know that and they know what you have done and what youre capable of doing, really an attractive look at interesting scripts . I mean, are you seeing things that you couldnt imagine you would have seen four years ago . No, im being sent crap. Rose are you really . Yeah. Rose so you dont see anything really compelling . Not that reaches me. Not that there arent great scripts out there, but the people i work with rose i thought you would have been so im not flattering you sure. Rose i just think because of what you have, you know, you have a sense that you are so very real and so very into the moment of being as good as you possibly can be. Yeah. Rose and for all of that, that you would be first on the list of people. Thank you. I think people dont know what i am yet. Rose yeah, theres a lag. Yeah, and thats fine, but i think yeah, because its, like, people dont know where to place you, so the scripts im getting are, you know, its, like, im going to, like, you know, my cousins wedding and shes, you know, and im like the drunk friend and its, like, i dont want to ride a mopehead through a plate glass window. I mean, that does sound pretty funny. But i want to do what i want to do. Its like the things im being sent or that are reaching me because the people i work are now, if they send something, like, do you want me to do this . Rose maybe i should reconsider my management. And they know im so overworked i think theyre taking it easy on me. Rose how are you taking care of yourself . I meditate twice a day. I do t. M. I get acupuncture. I go for long walks. I talk to my friends. I do standup. Yeah, im going to things that make me feel good, and i know i have been hustling too hard for too long, yo you know, and im going on tour to do standup and im going to take it easy a little bit. Rose you used the word hustle several times. What does that mean . The moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep doing everything you can to work hard and be prepared. Whatever im working on, its been several things for several years, just everything has an intent and really kind of no time to myself, or very little time for just kind of leisure. So ive really tried to make that time. Rose a component of your life. Yeah. Rose thank you for coming here. Thanks for having me here. Rose pleasure to have you. Thank you. Rose the book is called the girl with the lower back tattoo, and it looks black there, i dont know what color it is. Well, you will find out. Rose really . Much success. Thank you. Than rose thank you for join. See you next time. 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