Transcripts For KQED Charlie Rose 20160808

I discovered sam shepard and found the language, how important language was and since i had just come from this military environment where there was an emphasis put on, you know, acronyms for acronyms, but there is not so much about using your words to describe your feelings, and i was notice ago change in myself, how i felt less aggressive and was able to, through plays, use my language more. Rose from theater to the music of beach house, we talk to Victoria Legrand and alex scally. If there is something really real there, well keep playing it, repeating it, pulling it and if were lucky the words start coming out and the words and the sound, they form they can form the goal is to never lose the feeling that made you get excited about the idea in the first place. Thats what we mean about listening to a song. Any layer that you put on or bridge that you add or anything, change of a drum beat, anytime it leaves that feeling, youve gone the wrong way. Rose toobin, driver and beach house when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose Jeffrey Toobin is here. H he is a staff writer at the new yorker, hes a senior legal analyst at cnn. He writes books, too. The new book is called american heiress the wild saga of the kidnapping, crimes and trial of patty hearst. The New York Times writes, in an age of terrorism, the chronicle of how a sedate heiress named patricia morphed into a gun toeing, incorrective spouting, revolutionary holds a definitely fascination. I am pleased to have Jeffrey Toobin at this table. Welcome. Charlie. Rose. How are you . Rose what sit with you and writing about big murders, o. J. Simpson, for example. Are you trying to carve out an interest here, its compelling, their stories not told . You describe a logic and plan to my career which does not exist. Rose you were a prosecutor. You had cnn and i covered the o. J. Simpson case in real time and wrote a book about it and twenty years later they made the miniseries about it so there was a big gap there. In the meantime i wrote two books about the supreme court, the recount in florida, the clinton scandals, so they are all legally related but not necessarily the same thing. I have to say, this is the first book i have written that is at the border between journalism and history. Fortunately, most of the people were still alive 40 years later, but it was enough in the past that it really felt like another time that i was writing about, not current events, and that was fun for me. I had never done that before. Rose and who was in the patty hearst case first, who was accessible and not . Most predominantly patty hearst was not accessible. She didnt want to talk about it. She is in her early 60s now. Her former body guard whom she married bernard shaw died in 2013, so shes a widow, grandmother, very involved in raising show dogs, and, you know rose champion show dogs. Champion. Rocket, her winning shih tzus photograph is in the book, so im all over this, charlie. She sort of moved on. One of the many remarkable things about this story is she has led the life she was destined for anyway, you know, and that does not include talking about her life as tanya. The other part of it, which is a little more you know, i think has a little more edge, at least from my perspective, is she has given many interviews over the years, almost exclusively to people who dont know a lot about the facts of the case. I know a lot about the facts of the case, and there are parts of the story that do not reflect well on her, and i dont think she wants to talk about that. Rose like what part . Mels sporting goods. Mels sporting goods, just to shorten the story, shes kid snapped in february of 74, they rob the bank in april of 74, may 16, 1974, a month after the bank robbery, they flee to los angeles, there are nine of them. Eight s. L. A. Members and patricia. Six of them stay in a little house. Three of them go shopping bill and emily harris and patricia. They go to a place called mels sporting goods. Bill harris, no genius, at least when it comes to this, decides to shoplift. Patricia is across the street in the van alone. She is alone in the van, key in the ignition, she could walk away, do whatever she wanted, go home, go to the police, but she waits in the van. Bill harris gets tackled on the sidewalk for shoplifting. So what does patty do across the street . Does she run away . Wait and see what happens . No. She picks up a machine gun and fires a fusillade of bullets across the street to try to free bill harris. Thinks about it for a while. Picks up another gun, fires more weapons, miraculously not hitting anyone, but succeeding in getting bill and emily harris back into the van. That is not the act, in my opinion, of a terrorized victim, that is the act of a coconspirator. Rose so how did she become that, is the question. Thats is what the book is about, right . That is the core of the mystery that is the patty hearst story. The s. L. A. , this really ragtag, basically ridiculous group of people rose and not many of them. They call themselves an army, there were at most a dozen, three of them kidnap her. Six of them hold her. Youre talking about a very small group of people. They knew nothing about her except two things, one, she was a hearst and, two, she was a college student. But what they didnt know is that they found her at a very restless moment in her life. She was living, engaged to be married to stephen weed, a graduate student in philosophy, and she was unhappy. She didnt want to be married but didnt want to admit she didnt want to be married to her parents. She had a contention relationship with her mother. She was starting to be politically aware. She was a kid. Like many 19yearolds, she was at a malleable place in her life. The s. L. A. Kidnaps her, a horrible, violent act, stuff her in a trunk, put her in a closet, but after a couple of days, they open the door, listen to her, talk to her about politics and tell her the only thing we have to fear is the police attacking us, the only thing we have to fear is the f. B. I. Were on your side, were trying to frio pressed people, were trying to feed the poor. They get randy hearst, her father, to give millions of dollars to feet the poor, and she starts to be sympathetic, and she ultimately, in very short order, a little more than a month, joins in the bank robbery, the famous photograph of her holding the machine gun and shes off and running and remains on the run for a year and a half. Rose so what has she said about herself . What she has said is that the kidnapping was horrible, which it certainly was, but that the horror continued after the kidnapping. She has said she was raped in the closet, she has said she was coerced into doing the bank robbery and was, in fact, in fear for her life the entire year and a half and couldnt escape because she was so afraid they were going to kill her and that the whole thing was nothing but alvictimmizing a victimizing of her from beginning to end. Rose and that is not plausible to you . It is not plawbledz to me. Certain parts are true. I never want to minimize the trauma and horror of getting kidnapped. Rose where your total life is at their will, they could shoot you at any moment. They could shoot you at any moment. But when you look at her behavior over the course of the year and a half, when you look how independently she behaved, when you look at how many opportunities she had to leave, to ask a Police Officer to help her. She was in a hospital with poison oak. She could have said, im patty hearst, can you take me home. She was with people during the year after most of the other s. L. A. People were killed with people who had no guns, including jack scott, the former sports activist, who had nothing to do with guns. His parents had her for a while, tried to talk her into leaving, going back to her parents, she wouldnt do it. If you just look at the facts of the case as opposed to the psychobabble thats imposed on the case, i think you conclude that she was a member of the s. L. A. Rose so she came to like them, to care about them . She fell in love with two of them. The first was willie wolf, one of the six who were of the original kidnappers who was the member of the s. L. A. Who was closest in background to her. He was only a year or so older than she was. He was the son of a physician from new milford, connecticut, grew up in an uppermiddle class household, went to a prep school, went to berkeley, smart kid, studying archeology. They bonded in the house in daily city, california, where she was held and, in fact, he is one of the six who was killed by the lapd, los angeles police, on may 17, 1974. She writes and reads a famous eulogy of him where she talks about how much she loved him. I should add patty said she was forced to write that and she didnt write it herself. I dont buy that. Later, during the next year, she meets and falls in love with another member of this group called steven soliah, and even patty ac knowledges they had a consistent relationship for a while, were living together. Rose has there been reaction from her to the book . She expressed in public while i was writing it that she didnt want me to write it, and we have a very brief conversation and several conversations through intermediaries where she said she didnt want any part of it, didnt want me to write it. Rose what was the brief conversation . I can recite the whole conversation. This was after i had sent her several emails and gone through intermediaries and i said, patricia, this is jeff toobin. Oh, god, click. I can recite the entire conversation to you, charlie. Rose this is jeff toobin, then oh, god, click. Yes. Rose the supreme court. Yes. Rose what happened to Merrick Garland . Certainly nothing till november. I dont think there is a chance he will be confirmed till the lame duck period. Rose a special session will be called and especially if the democrats retake the senate, there are certainly republicans who think, okay, lets get the 63yearold moderate instead of the 45yearold liberal. Rose we have to say one thing, Merrick Brian Garland is a nominee for the superior courts he had nothing to do with the pat harris case. Yeah. Rose go ahead. I think Mitch Mcconnell, the Senate Republican leader, has made clear that he does not think this president , barack obama, should fill this seat, and i think that will apply till january 20. Rose the fact isfall Hillary Clinton won the president y, she would appoint likely someone to the left of americMerrick Garland. Mcconnell cant go back on that. You have senators like ted cruz and tom cotton who are not going to allow a lightning fast process. They will fight any nominee from the democrats. Rose they both on the judiciary . Cruz, is im not sure about cotton. But the point is they will not allow a rapidfire confirmation. The interesting question to me is what does Hillary Clinton do if she wins and Merrick Garlands nomination is sitting there on january 20th . I think she has an interesting political opportunity and dilemma. Her base will want her to appoint someone more younger and liberal. Rose right. But she has a big agenda in front of the congress, shepts to get infrastructure and immigration through. If she nominates a controversial candidate on january 20th, thats the first six months. Rose sucked the air out of the other conversations. Yes. There is a possibility if she goes to Mitch Mcconnell and says, lets make a deal, ill give you Merrick Garland but youve got to push him through and not filibuster him. Rose right. Or get my younger, more liberal nominee and we can fight it out. So i think she is going to have an interesting political dilemma, but theres a small matter she has to win the election. Rose of course, thats a big matter. But day by day if you had to bet, you would certainly bet rose but we dont know and things could change in all those stories and all those things you have to say. But at the same time, how conservative is he . How moderate is he . How liberal is he is this. I would say hes about like stephen breyer. Rose centrist left . Yes. Rose thats what hillary says she is. And so is president barack obama and elena kagan. Sotomayor has turned out more left than center left. Rose is she the most liberal member of the court . Yes. She and ginsburg are close but i think sonia sotomayor, especially on criminal matters, has really taken the lead and decided to be the voice of sort of the black lives matter movement, in effect, on the supreme court, and i think thats very significant and important and useful to have someone like that on the supreme court. But i think Merrick Garland would be another vote to cut back on citizens united, another vote which is the case of campaign finance. Rose that was mentioned by her, i think, in her speeches. Repeatedly. Another vote for trying to roll back the restrictions on Voting Rights that many states have imposed. Signing he would vote. If you look at Stephen Breyers record, he votes with ginsburg almost all the time. The four ricials on the court, ginsburg, sotomayor, kagan and breyer, they vote together almost all the times. Rose as do the conservatives. Well, this is something the reps are upset about are the liberals are in lock step and we lose roberts on healthcare, kennedy on gay rights, and that turned out to be very significant. Rose and whats the loss of Justice Scalia mean to the court . For someone who covers the court, not in terms of what your political beliefs are. Epic importance. Liberals cant lose cases anymore. The liberals the worst thing that can happen now with liberals is they have 4 to 4 ties because they vote together all the time. Rose as you just said. And that means that there will not be conservative precedence established by this court henceforth. Its a huge change in my lifetime. And oral arguments which is, of course, not decisions, totally different at the court. Justice scalia was such a largerthanlife figure at the court and such an aggressive questioner, the court looks different, it sounds different, and the results are different. Its just an epic change. Rose so you will miss him . Im not sure i would put it that way. I miss the theater of it. Rose no, no, im not talking about the theater of the thing, im talking about the dynomism of the ideas. I think the ideas are important. Justice thomas. Rose is there no different in just thomas and scalia . Certainly orally. Thomas asked one question after ten years, but Justice Thomas is a very powerful intellectual voice for originalism on the court. Hes patronized by a lot of people, and hes a serious person. Rose talk about Justice Thomas in terms of how you see him as a justice. The most conservative justice on the court since the 1930s. Rose more than scalia. Absolutely. Rose this book, american heiress, a fascinating story of patty hearst, somebody like o. J. Simpson but in a different way, part of the curiosity of america about how somebody unexpectedly gets involved in criminal acts. American heiress is a wild saga of the kidnapping, crimes of patty hearst by Jeffrey Toobin. Adam driver is here known as adam sackler in hbos girls and in star wars the force awakens, a juilliardtrained actor and veteran of the United States marine corps. In 2008 he founded arts in the armed forces, seeking to bridge the cultural gap between the armed forces and performing arts communities by bringing the best of modern American Theater to the military. From august 11 to august 14, driver will be in south korea to stage a production of lobby hero, pleased to have him at the table for the first time. Welcome. Thank you for having me. Good to be here. Rose the idea that you wanted to do this thing came from where . From your experience in the marines, in theater, from seeing some connection that other people hadnt thought about . Basically being at school from being in the military was the first time i felt i was exposed, knowing nothing really about the theater, community or culture or plays or play wrights or the characters in them. I was interested in the high school but left for the military and when i got out and went to school is the first time i discovered sam shepherd and found out how important language was and since i had just come from this military environment where there was an emphasis put on, you know, acronyms for acronyms but not so much about using your words to describe your feelings, and i was thoughts ago change in myself how i felt less aggressive and how i was able to through plays use my language more and regret not having that, when i was in the military and wanted to share that with my friends, basically. That was kind of the genesis of it. Rose and when you now share it with military friends, do they feel the same thing . Has it been something that was an instant kind of, you know, adam, youre right . Yeah, definitely. I remember i met them afterwards. I got out early and i was in school trying to explain to them where pajamas and i talk about my feelings in acting and acting school and i could see they were very apprehensive as to what i actually did all day. But it was something about seeing something live and watching somebody live without a filter of a screen or like people get the connection right away. Then also because of the material that we pick, its not shakespeare or the greeks or not that there is anything wrong with that, but the mammoth or nature of vans, its very accessible material. I dont think to generalize the military culture is used to being exposed to. So the language breaks down barriers right away. Rose is this akin to whats been happening in some prisons in america, the use of theater there in a sense to engage and to give people an introduction to theater in a different way . Yeah, i think a culture, i think there is, like, a strong stereotype, which is odd, since really the birth of theater was from a military environment. You know, the greeks and all these elected generals who wrote plays for a culture that was at war over the course of time, obviously have been stereotyped, that culture wont understand. They want to see the dallas cheerleaders or prisoners want to see something violent and aggressive. Theyre told that group of people wont respond to any kind of complexity or nuance like you see in theater was insane to me. So that hopefully were trying to break that stereotype. Rose this is what you said to i think vanessa gr riogratis. You said for me becoming a man had a lot to do with learning communication and i learned about that by acting, emphasis on the marine corps. You say using my words made me less aggressive as a person, less angry. It is the liberation of being able to give voice to what you feel. Right, and doing it from playwrights who are way smarter than i am, being able to embody their language and suddenly the material resonates in ways that isnt so obvious. We could do streamers which is a great play, but we try to rose streamers david ray. Rose right. Which we do other david rabe things but we try to focus away from military theme and show characters that are struggling through the human problems we all share and pick diverse audiences that accurately reflect them back. Its not civilians telling military audience what its like to be in the micialghts not that people cant understand a different culture, but were not going in with preconceived notions about what people will respond to and dont. One of my favorite things im rambling but we did laura lenny read this monologue from china by scott oregon and it was about an employer reprimanding an employee for not wearing a bra. All the male marines at Camp Pendleton said i thought the whole thing was good to go, loved the plays, understood what you were after. There was the one monologue about the woman yelling at her employee for not wearing a bra was an indirect attack on the ways we do in military, that there is a point for structure and uniformity and we thought you were kind of saying that, you know, youre mocking our kind of the structure that we have in place for a good reason, and then the female marines were leaving the audience, saying i loved it all, especially the one monologue, because i know what its like to be a female in a very male dominated culture and to wear my hair under my cover. Rose how did you come to juilliard . I was interested in acting before i went into the military, then really after september 11th, i feel like most people my age and that time doing nothing, you know, was like working as a telemarketer at the 4h fairgrounds, i felt like i wanted to be involved and wanted retribution, and the marine corps, to me, was the top of the pyramid as far as military service was so, if im going to do it, im going to do that and im going to be in infantry and go all the way. But then when i got out of the military, i had kind of a false idea that well, civilian problems are easy. We have to wait in line. You know, like its the wrong percentage of milk, you know, like what are civilian problems that are easily manageable and solvable. Anything i want to do i can do in a civilian world which is an illusion. T i had misconceived notions about you know. Rose do you think most actors would benefit from the kind of experience you had . Yeah, a lot of actors have never been on a military base or their associations with the military culture is through film and television. One of the first things laura lenny said is, oh, i thought it was like the f troop through its not at all. You forget that theyre people and these people have feelings and they just happen to have a job where the stakes are really high. Rose if your experiences made you see acting differently. I think of acting as a service. Rose thats what i mean. As opposed to i mean, obviously, its a very egotistical or it can be an egotistical, vain, seemingly unnecessary profession, but seeing it as a tool and taking it outside of new york to people who have never been to a play, you really, i feel, see firsthand, watching people see a theater experience for the first time, and not knowing how effective a Live Performance can be, really, for me, even though acting is many things, you know, a political act, its, you know, a calling or whatever acronym not acronym, but adjective is applicable, but it is a service and to use it as that takes the pressure off, i think, in doing it, also. Because youre really just one part of a bigger thing, the same thing as a military unit. Youre one role in a larger machine. If you dont show up, then things arent going to happen. Same thing if youre not there to support your partners or the people youre with, then what are you doing. I guess its giving me less tolerance for things like that where its not a team effort. Rose less tolerance for people who dont appreciate the team or the mission, that its a shared goal. Somebodys paying a lot of money for a lot of people to be in one place at one time to tell a story thats hopefully bigger than any one person. Hopefully it better be worth it and i think i took that from the military, too. Everyones away from their families. In acting you pretend to be in life or death circumstances and in the military you are in life or death circumstances. It better be for a good reason, i guess, and why take it lightly, i guess. Rose there are those, and we know the stories in terms of suffering from some kind of depression coming out because they miss that aspect. For sure, yeah. Rose of what their life has been. And also, speaking from my own experience, youre aware of what you can do in a day. You have so much in the military, your day is structured and at the end its look at all the things ive done. When you come back to civilian, its where can i plug in all this energy . Im 23, 24, i have all of this you know, im strong, healthy, i want to do something, i want to, you know, looking for that kind of discipline and structure and there is not a lot of places you can put it, especially if youre an infantry marine, how are you going to apply that to you know, the Business World is going to give you a shot and not think youre going to flip out because you were in the military for some reason. Rose do you have any regret about leaving i leavig the military . At first, yeah. I didnt complete it. Rose you had a medical discharge. Yes. I didnt complete it with the people i was with. But civilian life is great, just the freedom. Rose the lack of someone deciding what youre going to do and spend every minute of your time. Yeah, and also insofar as this, trying to continue your service, you dont have to worry about the bureaucracy of your rank in comparison to trying to get things done. Rose tell us who an adam sackler is for those who havent seen girls. A rye no, sir rouse who runs full force at something until he gets bored or distracted and turns and can only see whats in front of him. Hes lenas boyfriend, hannah, on the show who kind of over the course of six seasons we just finished a couple of weeks ago kind of evolves into being more committed to double down to being an actor and, you know, back and forth in his relationship with hannah. Rose how about the force awakens . How did that happen . J. J. , i had done the movie lincoln that Kathy Kennedy was the producer on and she recommended me to j. J. , and j. J. Had only seen girls, and i flew out to l. A. And met him at bad robot and we tal talked about the character. There was no script. He kind of gave me a general sense of it and then there was months of thinking about it. A month afterward said do you want to do it, and i wanted to think about it a long time. Rose why did you have to think about it . I mean, there was no script and i think more so just the idea scared me a lot, you know, i was a fan of those movies and, you know, its like a big hollywood kind of thing. Rose but were you thinking, im not sure im up to doing this . Or were you thinking im not sure i want this, because it may take me to a place i really didnt want to go . No, i never thought of where it would take me. I thought of what if the stakes are so big, what if i get there and have no ideas and its going to be bad, that im going to be bad and sink it and mostly just because of failure on such a big scale like that is a terrifying idea. Rose but its also given you a huge profile now. Yeah, yeah. Well, yes, it definitely made things easier for ataf. Rose adam driver on the line. Yes, but then you have to fight for the right kind of money because the arts is always tricky to raise money for because its not datadriven philanthropy especially when people want to support worthy causes like ptsd, give us money and it goes to art and may not be an immediate benefit i think i lost your question. Rose tell me about kilo, how did you see him . Because it was j. J. And because i was expecting hollywood movies. Obviously i have a strong chip on my shoulder its a lot about spectacle and not character. Rose it is. I would say the first words out of j. J. s mouth were story and character and will give you nuance to play and hopefully not generic. Their relationship is the idea of parents and fathers. Rose true with speilberg, too. Whats that . Rose sense of story, parent and father and same stories in terms of the perspective of relationships and character. And for some reason studios dont see thats what makes those movies have a long life. Theyre interested in long life, not something that has a lasting impact. Rose has any of this changed your ambition, in the best sense of the way. I mean, clearly, ambition in terms of what youre doing here is ambition. Yes, sometimes its ahead of me where i think i mean, the fact im sitting here at this table talking to you is about a nonprofit we started six years ago at juilliard is way ahead of what i imagined, and sometimes knowing that the attention is on you sometimes, i dont feel yet comfortable with or even being a spokesperson or cheerleader for any kind of cause, i never imagined that Something Like that would be my life or i would be comfortable doing it, so sometimes im getting more comfortable to it. I dont know if that answered your question. Rose my point, too though, is with your fame whatever, thats the word. Right. Rose and high profile, but it is popularity and fame, with that, can you do more for this nonprofit . Oh, for sure, yeah. Just because people, even though whereas before they were like, what is it, theater . Okay, were fans of star wars, but you can come here. laughter thats what i was saying about fundraising, you have to take the right money to feel you can sleep well. Whats this nonprofit . Sure, but come to our bank and take a picture with my daughter no. Does anyone want to support the cause . Rose yeah. Were making it less about me in the future and telling a group of people that they cant intellectually understand a play is absurd to me. Rose exactly. And keeping that away from people that generally wont have exposure rose because you can connect it to your own life. Right. Rose its about all the basic emotions you guys, men and women in the marines feel. Right, and again, you know, we have, like, tony kushner and all these great writers hearing their language, its hard not to make the connection to whats great about and whats terrible about and whats difficult about being a human and being alive, and there is no other community, specifically the military, where those stakes are just so high, you know. Everyones away from their families and needs a way to process. Rose thank you for coming. Thank you so much for having me. Rose adam driver back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose Victoria Legrand and alex scally are here, they are known at beach house and they have spent the last 12 years creating Music Together and have become one of indie rocks most consistent bands. Their sound is hypnotic and ethereal. The bands latest album thank your lucky stars comes two months after their previous release. Rolling stone calls ate pure vision of the realities of love, balancing the rush of romance with the burdens that can come along with it. Here is beach house we are forming the single rough song, in our studio. Middl no the middle of the party found a hole to be sorry through the glass drank a memory of her face. All the charm in the evening peridot television loveless another daughter and mother shut the door shell have no more another vodka Cocktail Party her story unravels like a ribbon in the windy Distance School girls were praying lace curtains fading dealedearly beloved hard to hear she spit on you and made your bloody nose more bloody shut the door shell have no more another vodka Cocktail Party oh. Oh. Totems in the night i want to forget all that wasnt right i need to leave totems in the night i want to forget all that wasnt right i need to leave it totems in the night i want to forget all that wasnt right she needs to leave it rose Victoria Legrand and alex scally are here, the baltimorebased duo known as beach house have spent the last 12 years creating nukes together and have become one of indie rocks most consistent bands. Their instantly recognizable sound is both hypnotic and ethereal. The bands latest album thank you lucky stars comes two months after their previous release. Rolling stone calls it a pure vision of the realities of love, balancing the rush of performance with the burdens that can come along with it. Here a is beach house performing the traveler in our studio. I am pleased to have Victoria Legrand and alex scally for the first time. Welcome. Thank you. Rose tell me about the first time you two met. Did you know, i think one of you used the phrase, musical soul mates . We didnt know but when we first met on the porch of your family home in baltimore, i handed him a c. D. Of music, and music was already just in play between us. We were playing in the basement of my house and we were continuing from there. The music was i dont know what you call it, fate or whatever. It was at the heart of the genesis of our friendship. Its always been there. Rose did you have the same instincts or sense of what music could be . I think its always been just very, very natural. Theres never been even a misstep in it, its been so natural. The music was the best friend. Rose yeah, and how did baltimore influence you . I think more than anything baltimore has been, for me personally, and its different because alex is born and raised, i moved there in 2004 and its become a home. Its been a haven. Its been a place where we made wonderful friendships with people, and see ago change over the last 12 years, the music scene has changed in many ways and will always change because its very unique, but its been a community that has given so much. Rose is it a music talent . I think its a music talent but its not bustling like new york or l. A. Or other cities might be. Rose that sometimes can be good as a haven. Its refreshing. Thats the perfect word is haven. Baltimore for me feels like unlike other cities like new york where there is all the precious put on you all the time, its a place that lets you be. Rose have you sought fame like so many musicians seek fame . I think thats a dangerous path to travel seeking fame. I think weve gotten lucky. Weve also worked very hard, and i think that if you love something, thats whats going to take you someplace. I think seeking financial gains ive read too many stories and heard too many we sought to have our music heard, so as much as that brings fame, but i think the other things like social media and just having ourselves be known for anything besides music, weve tried to not have that. Rose do you prefer smaller venues . Yeah, we do. We like to be able to feel everybody in the room and not have the experience stop halfway through and there be this blob in the back thats just there that you cant connect to. I think arenas were never a part of beach house destiny. Our music doesnt really play in a big room. Rose but there is balance between your own artistic integrity and commercial success. Absolutely. Rose and you have a sense that you have found that together . I believe that we have, through instinct, tuition and doing things from a natural place, weve tried our best. Rose when was this released . Late last year. Two released in 2015. This was the second album released last year. The first was depression cherry. Rose thats a remarkable sense of productivity. Its a lot of work. The beatles did it all the time, right . They were putting out a record every five months or something for a bunch of years. Rose if its good enough for the beatles, its good enough for you. Who writes . We both do. Rose do you write together or separate songs . I would say we do most of the writing together and i think, you know, were two different people so our brains were not always together, so if someone thinks of something, were doing that separately, but the writing, the true evolution of beach house and the songs is something that we have always collaborated together. Rose and the name came from . The name came from, like i always like to believe, it came from the air, but, yeah, we were just exploring the feeling of that first when we worked on the first record, we were in this particular world. Youre in a different universe every time you make a record but we were wondering where our band existed and beach house is something that we got lucky. Rose what comes first . Together you and then you attach lyrics to it . I get inspired by words just in general, like throughout the days. Phrases come into my brain, but when things really flow out, music is whats inspiring, the stories and the narratives and all that. Rose . Rose someone said about you youre always looking to find out what the song wants. What does that mean . Respecting the beast. Rose respecting the beast. Whats the beast . The beast is. The song, like the material, the vibrations. Rose what the words in the music end up being. Yeah, there is an emotional color that starts to come out of something, you know, and you dont know what that is right away, but you get this feeling, and the feeling can be blank, but its a real thing, and some pieces of music dont have it and other pieces do. So if theres something really real there, well just keep playing it, repeating it, pulling it and if were lucky the words start coming out, and the words and the sound, they can form instantly. The goal is to never lose the feeling that made you get excited about the idea in the first place. Thats what we mean by listening to the songs. Any layer you put on, bridge you add or anything, change of a drum beat, anytime it leaves that feeling, youve gone the wrong way. Rose make sure you feel the thing you felt when you put the words on and put it together. Try to keep some flame. Rose is there a role model for what you want to achieve . Endless role models, i guess. Rose who . Someone i loved is bob dylan for his uncompromising nature. Rose and poetry. And for so many reasons, just the way he is. Neil young is someone we looked up to because he never did a commercial once and had so much integrity. I always loved janis joplin, jim morrison. Rose they seem as much for listening to their own drummer as anything else. They are beacons of uncompromising light in a certain way, and we cant all be as radical and change history as, lets say, bob dylan or neil young or anyone else, but you can at least try to forge your own way. Rose so what can you do. Dont know if we have that much control over it. Even though i grew up with a musical background, i dont think i could guarantee im doing what im doing now. I think its been about a certain tenacity, a love, obsession. Rose the obsession to the obsession of making things. I think making things is a lot about it. Its a certain Creative Force and i think some people have it more than other people. Its a playfulness, a childishness, you keep your inner child. To actualize a dream that youve had. Rose are you happiest creating the music in terms of writing and the lyrics and the music and the arranging, or are you happiest when you are performing . There are different sides of the coin. Rose same experience. Yeah, its like theyre both wonderful. Rose thank you for coming. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose for more about this program and earlier episodes, visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. When i come home youre just lying there face against the wall never had a care i am just a traveler theres no light in this room and the bodys aching at night would i be acting up if i said its not enough who knows who else who is with no one is with the traveler theres a light in my eyes and a future invisible now heard its your birthday candles in a row better blow them quick before theyre melting on the floor you were never a traveler theres no light in your room and the bodies dont ache in the night would i be acting up if i said not that much who else would do anything for the traveler theres a light in her eyes and a future visible touch i was looking out of the window at the sky starless vigil of a life that has gone by saturn turning and i feel theres not much more for a vision of the night turn off your light rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group captioned by kacyra it kind of was, like, the bang that set off the night. Rogers that is the funkiest restaurant. Thomas the honeywalnut prawns will make your insides smile. [ laughter ] klugman more tortillas, please khazar what is comfort food if it isnt gluten and grease . Braff i love creme brulee. Sobel the octopus should have been, like, quadripus, because it was really small. Sbrocco and you know that when you split something, all the calories evaporate, and then theres none. Whalen thats right