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Systemically rape women, they would do anything. And thats scary to me. Rose from International Politics to the world of culture and dance, we talk to Kara Medoff Barnett about the american ballet theatre. I think as american ballet theatre celebrated its 75th and turns its sights towards the future, i think that that future has many different fa sets to it. And it certainly builds on this tradition. But what is next . What is next for the art form. What is next for this company . And i think that in having been not just at Lincoln Center which is a tremendous arts institution, but my last role at Lincoln Center was building out the International Arm of Lincoln Center. And what does it mean to the american ballet theatre to be cultural ambassadors. Rose Foreign Policy in the future and ballet when we continue. Funding for carlie rose is p rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose tom friedman is here, a three time Pulitzer Prize winner and columnist for the New York Times. He known for tackling big ideas and wideranging subjects from Foreign Policy to globalization to the societial role of technology. Most recently he has turned his focus towards the 2016 president ial election, the british vote to leave the European Union, and the moral implications of emerging technologies. For all those reasons, i am pleased to have tom friedman back at this table. Welcome. Pleased to be here at this table. Rose the new book comes out in november with this wonderful title. Thank you for being late, finding a job, running a country and keeping your head in an age of acceleration. Just tell me the theme before we turn to everything else. Well, the title comes actually from meeting people for breakfast in washington d. C. Over the past couple of years. And every once in awhile, someone would come late, 15, 20 minutes late. And one day i just thought one day i just spontaneously said to one of them, actually, charlie, thank you for being late. Because you were late have i been eavesdropping on their conversations. I have been people watching the lobby. And i just connected two ideas i had been struggling with for months. So thank you for being late. Rose it takes time to. Yeah, people start to get into it. They say well, youre welcome. And what i was sort of dng was giving myself and them permission to be late. To slow down. To sit back and reflect. And you know. Rose so this is a brief against speed. Yeah, it really. Is but in an age of acceleration. But the sort of core theme of the book is that we are in the middle of three nonlinear accelerations all at the same time with the three largest forces on the planet. Which i call the market, Mother Nature and moores law. So moores law, the speed of power and microchips every 24 months am if we put it on the braff, we know what it looks like, it looks like that, like a hockey stick. Mother nature is Climate Change. Global average temperature, if we put it on a graph we know what it looks like, a hockey hockey stick. And the market trade, the globalization of flows or facebook o or twitter, all these things that are now flowing, you put it on a tbraf it looks like a hockey stick. So my argument is we are in the middle of actually three accelerations all at the same time, each feeding off the offer, more globalization drives more Climate Change and more solutions to both. I believe these three accelerations arent just changing the world, they are really transforming and reshaping everything. Theyre reshaping politics. Theyre reshaping geo approximately particulars. Theyre reshaping the workplace and theyre reshaping really our ethical and moral choices. Rose that gives me great context. The table asked me to invite you to come here once this little book is published. The table, i will be here, okay. There is only one place to come talk about a book. Seriously, and thats the table. Rose you hear that, table. Put that in the context, it say big idea, starting with the 2016 election. Right. So lets talk about sort of the political and geo political impact. This is how i look at things. So these, i think what these accelerations are doing is that they are actually exploding, and theyre exploding the politics of strong states. So what do i mean . There is a whole set of states worst borders are primarily Straight Lines. In my view these are deeply artificial states that were propped up by the cold war. The cold war you have two superpowers that throw money, there was no china, no robots, Climate Change was more moderate. Population was moderate. The cold war was a good time to be a flimsy little state. Now you take all of that away. Climate change is here, much more population, china can take your lowwage labor. And what you see is a lot of these states cant make it. Now some weve tipped over, some iraq, syria, they tipped themselves over. But we go by these Straight Lines are the most artificial. They are like caravan homes in a trail are park. Built on a slab of cement with no basement and no foundation. What these accelerations are are like a hurricane going through a trail are park, libya, syria, yemen, malia, niger, sen he gal, have i been there recently. All of these week states are basically being exploded by these forces. Rose they had no institutional government. Exactly. Rose no law. Very thin, but they could get back in the cold war because weed kate the kids shall sent them money, built their armies. That saul gone now. So what is going on is on the one hand that is really changing the geo politics. So the new divide in the world because of these collapsing states is no longer east, west, north, south, communist, capitalist it the new divide is between the world of order and disorder. And the dividing line now is the mediterranean. So you have tens of thousands of people trying to get out of this world of disorder stretching from afghanistan basically to mali, all right. Across the mediterranean, into the nearest world order, which is europe. So that is one trend going on, i believe, under these accelerations. What it is doing to strong states is it is stressing out their politics. Because their Political Parties are as britain, you see it going on everywhere, their Political Parties are really designed to answer questions of the cold war, the Industrial Revolution and the new deal. But the questions of the day are how do you respond to these accelerations, what they are doing to your climate to globalization and trade and its impact on you and what they are doing to your workplace. Just to finish the thought, because these parties really cant answer those questions, in the way theyre presently corrected constructed, theyre blowing up. The republicans went fester because they were the least reality based. They had gotten the most distant from reality on things like climate and whatnot. But you see what is going on in both british parties are now blowing up. Because i think, let me connect this to another point i make. So when are you in the middle of Climate Changes, what do you want. You want resiliencement you want resilience and propugs. So really as i thought about that, i thought who do i interview about resilience in the face of Climate Change. Then i realize i know a woman, shes 3. 8 billion years old. Her name is Mother Nature. And shes dealt with more Climate Changes than anybody. So i certificate view Mother Nature, Mother Nature, how did you deal with Climate Change. She says well, tomk im incredibly adaptive in a brutal way through Natural Selection am im incred bleerks i believe in diversity, i love pluralism, try 20 different species, im incredibly sustainable. Everything is food, eat, food, poop, seed, very efficient. I love, im incredibly entrepreneur yall, wherever i see an opening or nich i fill it with a plant or animal adapted, i believe in ownership, when an ecosystem is in balance, it owns that state, highly resil ynt to Invasive Species, trump is an evasive species in the Republican Party because they let the garden lows and she says i believe in bankruptcy. I kill all my failures, and i take their energy to nourish my successes. My argument, charlie s that the parties that mirror those attributes, they are the ones that will dlief in the age of acceleration. But what does that mean politically. And thats why my own politics, i know we talked about once, i am actually a nonpartisan extremist, okay. What i mean by that is im not for a third party. Who wants to be a third party between two stale dead party. Im for a fourth party. What is it, my own politics, im to the left of Bernie Sanders on a lot of issues, in this age of acceleration, we need a strength in our safety nets. The world will get too fast for some people but to pay for it, im to the right of the the wall street journal editorial page. I get rid of all Corporate Taxes. And i would really change the whole tax structure, and would replace with a carbon tax, a tax on bullets, sugar and a small financial transaction. Suggestion ar kills us, bull epts kill us. We have to get radically prern entrepreneur yall in order to pay for what would have to be Better Safety nets and trampolines in the stage of acceleration over here. Why cant the parties get to that, because that means thinking like Mother Nature, you have to be really high brid, todd gill, what does Mother Nature do, she lets things coevolve that should coevolve. Bees with certain flowers. These parties cant do that. If you are in Bernie Sanders party you can never be for unleashing entrepreneur yallship. You can just be for safety nets. If you are the wall street journal editorial page, are you not interested in safety nets, youre interested in unleashing entrepreneurship. These things need to cohe solve. But because these parties for raising money, and identity and station identification need to have these very defined features, they cant let things coevolve the way nature does which is what we have to do to manage the accelerations. Rose so therefore we have had gridlock. Weve had gridlock and worse than that, we are now seeing the parties collapsek basically. Rose the republican and democratic party. Trump blew up the republicans went first because they were like an untended garden, basically. And trump was an Invasive Species that came in because they let the garden go fall owe, the parties stopped thinking. And basically rented out itself to whoever could energize their base. So sarah palin, rush limbaugh, whoever came along to, who would energize their base so they could get lichted in order to be in power, in order to get elected. They completely lost their way in my view. I mean if a party could declare moral bankruptcy, they would be in chapter 11, the republicans, no question in my mind. The democrats, they have broken up in a certain way too. Bernie sanders is an independent. He basically made off with half the party. Or just under half. And now we see the British Labour party and tories both blowing up. I think we are at the beginning of an incredible reshaping. Rose so you think there will be, in fct, a reshaping will lead to fourth parties, people who try to build a new constituency yns i think were in the beginning of that, because these accelerations to me are the heart of what is going on now. And if you dont design policies that get the best out of them and push in the worst, you cushion the worst, you are not going to serve voters. Rose who is, in fact, now in touch with the age of acceleration, you suggest they are people without get it. You know, what i have done has been fun in doing this book and talking to a lot of mutual friends of ours. I have really gone back. Rose Mother Nature is one. Exactly. A good friends of ours, both of ours. So the way i built the moores law chapter, i basically took the compute are and basically said this computer has five parts. The cpu, the prop microprocessors, the microchip, storage, its got sensor, a camera. It has got networking, its got software. And what i did was then really go through and i kind of built each section around a person so the moores law section i built around gordon moore. The storage i built around the founder of which has really been a prime mover of big data. Software i built really around bill gates and and one open source, one commercial software. The network around irwin jacobs, the foifnedder of quawl come. And the storage, the sensing i built around general electric. And my view is all five of these, charlie, kind of melded together right around 2007 into something we call the cloud. But i never use the term cloud. Cuz it sounds so soft. So benign, sounds like a Joni Mitchell song. This aint no cloud. This is what my friend craig moneyedi from microsoft calls a supernova it is an incredible release of energy weve had. Energy into the hands of human beings, i think is one of the greatest energy releases ever. And what it has done is change four kinds of power. Changed the power of one, with one person can do now to make things or break things like never before. Rose like orlando. Change the to power of machines, they have all five senses. Changed the power of many. We as a collective are now a force of and in nature. We have the gee logical era being named after us now, the anthroposy, the manmade gee logical era because we are defining it so much and it changed the po power of flows. Ideas flow and circulate at a pace and scale we have never seen before. Barack obama was elected president. Will leave office saying a imaginer between two humanning withs will love each other and following ireland in that. So ideas that were solid for so long are now melting, at a pace we have never seen before. Rose the announcement today, by ash carter, transgender in the military. Think how quickly. Rose momentum. In two years, the confederate flag. Rose im not sure what they said, it maybe said it was building in the body politics. And it forces politicians. But when you see so many areas, think of the confederate flag, flies over the state house of South Carolina for so many years, since the civil war and one terrible guy shoots up a black church, and bam, its gone. And this is it just gone. And so these new kinds of power, again, theyre really reshaping the world. And its going to require us to reshape laws, regulations, attitudes, everything. Rose so while you have age of acceleration happening globally. On the other hand, you have conflicts in the middle east. Which is old as time itself. Yeah. Rose and youre suggesting that it is not so much over there. It is not so much. Digital divide. It is it is saudi versus iran. Rose right. It is sunni versus shia. You know, the old conflicts have not gone away at all. Theyre going to get sharper because these people are going to be fighting over shrinking pie. And what happens when fast gets faster, slow gets really slow. Because when all is moving there, and you start to fall behind, you really fall behind. And so thats what is terrifying to me. Think of it, the thraj de of syria, has so many dimensions but one is simply syrian kids havent been in school for five years. I mean in an age where thats already sent two iterations, so how we manage this, one of the big dilemmas we have. We have this widening world of disorder. By the way, we have it in parts of latin america. Were not theyre not the on ones with refugees. We got 52,000 orphans, over 50,000 orphans from guatemala, salvador and honduras last year where parents just isnt their kids out of their world of disorder toward our island of order. Israel, got over 50,000 refugees without basically walked, biked, hiked frommer trair blanca ethiopia an southern su dan to israel. They crossed the sinai, they come in, they try to pay them to leave but everyone, wherever there is an island of order, people from the world of disorder are coming. So this is the great migration. Now in an earlier period of history, some imperial power would have come in, the ottoman, alexander the great, the british, the french. But today no one wants to come in because all you win is a bill. There was a time, were in a world we have never been in before. You have widely world of disorder in a highly interdepend ent world but nobody wants to come in and lay hands on it. Rose and because theyre also finding limits to their own power. Exactly. Rose that nation building is not something that we are do very well. That is why i say the central, what i talk about in my politics chapter on geo politics is i think the central geo political question of our time is what do you do when the necessary sim possible. You know, but the impossible is necessary. Weve learned that nation building is impossible. We dont know how to do it. And yet if you dont do it, in the old days, you know, what would happen. Somebody would give a live aid concert in central park and took care of the problem. I have been, you know, on the migration refugee trail, two months ago. They dont want a live aid concert. They have a cell phone. They can see the world, okay. They can see what they want. They are in desperate straits and theyre going to come. And it is a big problem. Rose thats also what propelled the arab spring. Yeah, thats all these same forces. Rose they knew there was a better life somewhere. Exactly. And if they werent getting it. Rose and their government stood in the way of a better life. These were young people who realized they were living in a context where they couldnt realize their full potential. Rose that say very big picture. I will go to american politics and then to the mid will east. Donald trump, how do you explain the trump phenomenon, not withstanding having a very bad month, look at the polls. I think the polls tell a couple of things. One is that just the deep divide 4240. I think what that tells you is just the deep polarization of our country between republicans and democrats, no matter who runs. So trump is benefiting from that, it is just a deep polarization. That is a tragic, that it has come to that. That we are treating each others like sunnies and shias here. I would never have my kid marry a republican, thats crazy. That is where it comes. Eben fits from that. Obviously there are a number of people who in this age of acceleration are finding it hard to keep up. They feel deeply letdown bipolar particulars. That politicians have havent told them the truth and havent come up with the right remedies. Rose and they think politicians are taking care of everybody else but them. But them. Rose in terms of taking care, finding opportunities, giving a sense of participation in the country. And i will tell you, i have reflected a lot about this personally. I have always been for free trade, more trade agreements. I was deeply impacted by a study that came out last year by david o toor from mit and others who really showed how when china joined the wto in 2001, there are certain very specific set of communities in our country. They were really devastated by that. Now people like, you were saying well, we need to have retraining programs and aid for the help for these people. Rose you need to have a safety net. But we didnt really deliver. Rose we didnt retrain. Bus we had we had no commitment in washington. Exactly. Rose. So what happens, basically, you know, i think there was a giant acceleration right around 12007 and 2008 came along and we were looking the other way, got the great recession. Washington went into total gridlock. So people were on a conveyer belt that suddenly sped up and meanwhile the politics was completely frozen. And in that disjunction, you got a lot of trouble. Rose there is the central dilemma. Yeah. Rose as technology has moved forward, you know. Yeah. Rose taken from you, as politics, as technology has moved forward in this age of acceleration, the government has not been able to keep up. Yeah. Rose and were in this place where this is going here and government for all kinds of reasons whether it is gridlock or whether its new dilemmas and problem solving necessary, has not addressed some of the moral and ethical questions as well as the reality of how a whole new range of people have new powers. Exactly. Including is productivity and efficiency which mean there is a digital disruption in communities around the world. And its going on everywhere. Now we also know that just under five percent unemployment, people are getting work. A lot of people dropped out of the workforce. We know that as well. You know, i was just at the world advertising, i went with the New York Times advertising conference in france. Rose telling the times. Covering i will do anything to sell our paper. But what was so interesting to me was all this talk was about how to do blend Virtual Reality into advertising. So now if you want to be a marketer, one of the first questions if you apply for a job say in the Ad Department of the New York Times theyre going to say are you up to speed on Virtual Reality. You know its like, so the good news is, i mean. Rose Virtual Reality. Im still mastering my laptop, but the point is new jobs are being spun off all the time. But theres one common denominator they all have. They all require more skill. And they all require you to learn and relearn. An thats really, at a. Rose and its harder the older you are. So a lot of people are caught in that dilemma. Rose is that what is propelling the trump politics. I think thats all part of it. I dont know it f it is any one thing. I think hes also a reaction to the Political Correctness trends in the country we have seen on college campuses. Anything as bigs trump comes out of left field like that has to be said in my view, economic disruption, Political Correctness, frustration. Rose and now having watched what happened in brexit he has now made it an antiglobalization crusade as well. Exactly. Which again is crazy. That in a my friend in a connected world, the dumbest thing you can do is disconnect. Okay. The connection is not going to go away. If you gloogel globalization is dead, i dont know how many times, i said thats it for globalization, these things will keep going. Whatever can be done will be done. The question is do you make them them work for you. For a majority of people or not. Are you going to stop facebook from eading new users. Are you going to stop twitter, google, i dont think so. These things will drive these flows. The question is to understand them and make them work for us. Rose does that mean those who run google and facebook and amazon and microsoft and apple the most powerful people in the world . Theyre quite powerful, yeah. Rose the they are the center of change. The center of change and they also have these giant platforms where if you want to get scale for your voice, you really need to leverage them. And you know, thats. Rose leverage or not. Or not. Let me go around, number one, trump. You believe that trump, whatever the forces that are put in this position, is he one of the two people most likely to be president of the United States, in a very powerful job. You find him prepared, equipped. I think he could handle the job. All of that . From everything have i heard him say, i would say hesed least prepared person to run for president in my lifetime, in this sense, charlie. You can have any poks you want on globalization. Have i no problem with that. What i. Modified, whatever. But just tell me did you your homework, that you have studied the issues, really understood them. Not that a pollster tell you this really plays, talk about china, a real hot button, we tested it out in a focus group. Make sure your position doesnt stand in contrast to your practice. Thats right. Your practice and also just the facts. So this is my, you know, i kind of had no problem with Bernie Sanders being a sceptic on globalization. I feel like he learned it. A lifelong position that he studied the issues from his point of view, whatever. This is the kind of hes not a billionaire who has actually been buying, you know, the lowest cost global for every one of his hotels. Exactly. So that is what is troubling, i think. Rose where are you to the left of Bernie Sanders, on health care. I was a single payor health care. I would expand the earned income tax credit. I would have wage insurance for people who get caught up for trade, exactly. National wage insurance. I think if you lose your job to trade funded through a the government, you know, we pay in. Rose people with no insurance could figure it out. Yeah. Those are the same things. Rose single payor. No Corporate Tax wnd a and i would also shifts medicare tax to a v i what pay for medicare, vat, that i really think there should be, that people should see, if you have a vat this goes to medicare, that is medicare costs go up, people understand there is a connection betweened two. I would keep the Social Security, that payroll tax because i think its important that people feel they paid in. Rose when you write about trump you suggest that he show some flexibility in tern area certain areas and Social Security is one of them. He has been a pioneer is he said the old mix of what is meant to be republican is no longer relevant, is no longer serving our party. And im going to mix up the deck. I think the way he did it was simply what are the biggest hot buttons and i will mix them up together rather than thinking straj gee, what strategically, this is what is troubling to me about the Republican Party in general, today, or all of our parties to some degree. Is that you got to start out by asking the question, what world am i living in. Im living in my view the world divined by these accelerations. If that is the world, how do i get the most out of that, you dont have that feeling, okay, from this Republican Party, the feeling they have been saying the same thing, giving the same answer, you know,. Rose tell me how the democrats have been better. I would say, well, on climate they have been much better. Totally, much better. Is that the biggest threat to humankind . Or is it new clear. I think the biggest threat to humankind today is the growing power of one. You know, now one person with an assault rifle. One person with a suitcase with a a little bit of radioactive or some virus, what worries me is the growing power of one. And that is why i have been worried about isis from the very beginning. I never thought they were the jv team as president o bma said. These guys struck me as different. They struck me as wicked and wickedly smart. And that a a bad combination. These are the guys if they could get their hand on it, some fissile material or some terrible virus, people who would burn a pilot alive in a cage, who would systemically rape women, they would do anything. And thats scary to me. Rose no sense of consequence. None whatsoever. And theres actually. Rose if thats true, why isnt, now have i a couple of answers to to that. If thats true, why isnt it imperative for world community, whether its russian, american, a be ra, muslim, see this danger for what it is, and if they say well, the alternative is boots on the ground to do it, you have to be conscience, you have to be conscience if you do it, you have to know what comes next. You have to have all the answers to those questions. But is that a reasonable question to ask . Yeah, because what are you up to touching on, i find myself moving toward that, you know, in my on position. Moving to where. To what are you talking about, seven months ago, i started it look at this isis thing and i had supported the president on syria. Which is to say not to get involved. Cuz i did see a pathway or partner or whatever. But seven months ago i changed in the sense that i dont know what the right answer is. But all i know is, and what i argued was what is happening in syria, that this hemorrhaging of so many refugees, not only to the fabbing states but to europe, what i wrote, is going to destroy the,u. And the,u is a huge strategic not only the tragedy of these refugees but the,u is the other great center of Democratic Capitalism in the world. Its our wingman in the world. Right. And if the eu fractures, america will be less strong. Rose are we beginning to see that. I think were seeing that. Rose and what other country might fall or find and how many to topple the eu and what happens after eu. I think its a horrifying thought. Because the eu was the other United States of its the United States of europe. And they share a value. They believe in liberty and civil rights and human rights. And free markets and free people. And they export those values. So you lose the,u, americans, the,u for american is like we say about latin america, people will do anything for latin america except read it about it. So paryns will do anything for the eu except read about it when i wrote a colume about it six months ago i said maybe they should call it trumps European Union so to fool the Search Engine and read this colume. For the three of you still reading or listening, when we talk about the eu, the eu is really important. And if you dont want to see it unravel. So what i was saying, i dont have the answers. Im totally humble about that. But it seems to me, we should be putting a little more effort into finding some way to staunch that wound. Not where im coming toment and this is all evolving in my own head. Is that if we have got this widening world of disorder, libya, syria, yemen, whatnot, we have got to get the world of order to collaborate, that means china, russia, you know, the europeans and us in particular. Canada. I dont know what the answer s im not really to call for some invasion. Weve got to do something. Because this isis thing is metastasizing in ways that these people will not stop, charlie, at just a suicide vest. It is not morals that are stopping them. Its simply access to bigger weapons. Because if they get them they will use them. Rose and believing in an idea, an ideology of whatever it is, that they are willing to not only do figure but sacrifice their life in the process. And i think this will be, i go back to what do you do when the necessary sim possible but the impossible is necessary. That is the central issue that the next president will face. And to say i think its the worse time in the world to be doing Foreign Policy. I pity anyone who has to do that. Rose when you look back at israel, have i seen the defense minister came here to have a long talk. At the very right of israeli politics. Yeah. Rose hes left. Yeah. Rose the sustaining rebuke of the Prime Minister. The whole spectrum. Rose all kinds of National Security people have taken out pull page ads of the New York Times, whats happening. I can only speak for myself. I would never tell the israelis you need to get out of the west bank tomorrow am but what is to the allly missing i think for friends of israel in this country is a is two thins. One is, where is the imagination to how to find a way to work. In the same way. The imagination in their tech community, in health care, where there is a whole range of things that pioneering creativity. But what is unconscionable is an Israeli Government that continues to build settlements in the areas that is there ever going to be a palestinian state, thats where it would be. You want to build more build more settlements in those areas that people think israel retains. Not my cup of tea but people will understand it. But when you continue building settlements that will then make a twostate solution impossible, then you really ask what are you doing. They dont ever really want a two state solution, he wants to stay in power and will dance as long as he can to stay in power. My view is he is a man who is forever dog paddling in the rube i con saying charliek im coming am im coming to your side but is he just dog paddling. An as a result, i think its very important that, i said half serious, half tongue in cheek, i think we should start referring to him as the Prime Minister of israeli and pal pal stein, that is what he is. He is now the Prime Minister of a defacto by National State and thats a tragedy for israelis and palestinians in my view. Is that appear advertise. I dont know. Whatever it is. If you care about a democrat. It is a power. You care about israeli, as a jewish character, and in israeli that isnt in the homeland, its bad news, its going to have a bad ending. Rose so what should we expect from the arab world and what should we expect from the muslim world when they look around at all the having to do with and everybody doesnt necessarily have to do this, but you have to say, there is a mult policity of opinion within the muslim world like there is a multipolicity of opinion within the christian and hindu world and other places. Look, i mean, isis ideology is not exactly a total outliar from what a lot of people, from saudi, wahhabi ideology. I think they have to come to terms with. There is a lot of denial denial there, that this is show some freak thing. This comes out of some very central tenanteds, believed by a lot of people, it is an extreme version of it. But its not a complete outliar. You know, i think you have two trends going on in saudi arabia. One is, i think very healthy. And that is the new dep stee deputy crown prince. I think is a real reformer. I think the guy is for real. And he understands that they burn through a fifth of their financial reserves in one year. They need privatization, they need to create jobs, they need to get their budget under control. If you didnt exist, would you have to invent it. That say good friend. And they are no longer saying were reforming. Israel with a little bit singapore. I really think that what he is trying to do is a good thing and you no longer feel like the place is dead in the water. Can he win that battle. I dont know. That is the other, that is the challenge. Can he deliver is a challenge am but they also have got a deal with the religious side of this thing. That the religious establishment there has traditionally promoted ideas that are deeply intolerant, intolerant of women, intolerant of other faiths, intolerant of other forms of islam. An there was a bargain between the royal family and the and the religious power. And the, you know, the o you know, the iranians dont help. The iranians are muking around in bay route, in damascus, and in baghdad. And you talk to the saudis and they will tell you, are we invading these other are we effectively running these governments. And so its not like they have clean hands either. But all i know is, charlie, if they dont get their act together, the iranians and the saudis, and find some way to stop fighting over who will be the proper heir to the prophet mohammed from the early 7th century, then Mother Nature is going to kill them all. Isnt that what long before they kill each other. Whether he handled it well or not, isnt that what president obama suggested to them. Absolutely. I think he was right, absolutely. It was tough love by obama, and hes right. Hes absolutely right on that. What is your judgement. Hes got less than six months. You know, again, i, in general, i think hes navigated a really difficult period pretty wellment. But i think on syria, i think he has not shown enough imagination. Rose is it because he he has learned lessons that he thinks that he knows better because of the experiences hes seen . Because of perhaps the advice he is getting from his mel tear or wherever, not believing other people have come foortd to offer not only criticism but constructive criticisms of what he has been doing, he seems to maintain a hard line against those arguments, whether its the red line, or whether it is. I have enormous sympathy with o bamo on Foreign Policy am i would not want to make a lot of these decisions but my sympathy stops when people tell me hes a genius and everyone else is an idiot. Is that what he says that. That is what o says in the atlantic interview, that the Foreign Policy are just a bunch of idiots. Rose do you feel like he was talking about you. No im not taking it personal. Rose are you part of the more dr Foreign Policy conversation in the washington. Im actually very humble towards these challenges. I think he should be too. I really respect that when he. Is when he say this is hard. There is no good choices. Where i have come to, there are no good choices. Its not like there say good option that he has ignored. I dont believe that. Where i am coming to, because of the threlt of isis, and i think the expanding threat of isis, i am coming to the point where maybe we have to make a bad choice, okay. That a least bad choice, find some way to galvanize the coalition here because this is going to be a problem. This threat is metastasizing in ways that we dont seem to have the answer for. Rose because of the power of one. An pot we are of one driven by. Religious ideology. And i worry, these guys, i repeat, theyre wicked and wicked as one. Rose thank you for coming. We cant wait for the book, can we. I will repeat the title it will be out november 2 27bd. Thank you for being late, finding a job, running a country, and keeping your head in an age of accelerations. You better get your order in now. Thanks, tom. Thanks, charlie. Rose back in a moment. Stay with us. Kara Medoff Barnett is here, she ban ballet lessons at just three years old. In her native North Carolina and were so proud about that she left the world of dance to attend Duke University on a trinity scholarship. Were proud about that. She received her mba from Harvard Business school. Were even proud about that. For nearly a decade she served as Senior Executive at Lincoln Center for the performing arts. She was appointed executive director of american ballet theater in january. Last year the company celebrated its 75th anniversary and made history with the promotion of Misty Copeland as its first africanamerican female principal dancer, for that and more im pleased to have Kara Medoff Barnett at the table for the first time. She will be here many times because she is being to teach me, not how to dance but appreciate dance. Thank you very much, thrilled to be here. Rose so how is the abt. The abt is phenomenal. If is a dream job for me. But it is just the most remarkable Arts Organization on this planet. Rose why . Well, many reasons. But number one, is that we have so many great artists. Im just in awe of the 90 dancers who have the privilege to work for to support what they do out there every day. They are misty is one, as you mentioned. Rose just made bleefers out of everybody. And there are just so many incredible, incredible stories in that company and incredible artists on that stage. They have been working since they were three, far more talented than i. In that art form and so anything that anything that i get to do every single day to just elevate what they do, samp fie what they do is a pleasure. Rose so this was before you got there, and but you had to an interesting kind of experience too, as we talked about some of those. But why do you think you were the right person at the right time for them . I think a few reasons. I think as american ballet theater celebrated its 75th and then turned its sights towards the future, i think that that future has many different fa sets to it. And it certainly builds on this tradition. But what is next . What is next for the art form what is next for this company. And i think that in having been not just at Lincoln Center, which is a tremendous arts institution, but my last role at Lincoln Center was building out the International Arm of Lincoln Center, and what does it mean to the american ballet theater to be cultural ambassadors torque represent the country. Rose if anything is international, it is culture. It is, and i think that ballet especially which is not relying on language, just language of human bodies moving through space, i think that is really can translate across borders and boundaries here in this country but also around the world. Rose how is, we always ask this about claic music. We ask this about jazz. We ask this about ballet. We ask this about certain art forms. What is the trend . How many young people are attracted to be enthusiastic about ballet . Well, the trend soo ems to be very positive in ballet. We have younger audiences than many other classical art forms. And i think part of that is you have a lot of young people that train in ballet. So they show up for the performances with their parents. They drag them along and say i want to see the pros. And then i think that social media, and some of following that we have, the misty phenomenon certainly is also bringing in younger audiences. And bringing in audiences who arent traditionally ballet audiences. Rose what has she done. I think that she has brought the ballet conversation into the mainstream conversation. Or brought ballet, a seat at the table in that conversation. When is the last time a ballet dancer sat down with the president of the United States. Rose exactly. And at the same time, you know, she has shared her struggle too. It was not easy. And i think that for many dancers mistys story is to so inspiring and as operational, not only for dancers but for anyone who wants to achieve something that perhaps seems out of reach or theyre told is out of reach, or seems like a distant possibility. The fact that talent plus hard work, grit, dempleation, all of that can add up to a Success Story like that, is not just resonant in the ballet world, its resonant no matter what you might want to achieve. Rose two things i want to show you. First of all this performance clip, of misty dancing in romeo and juliet with her and joseph. Here it is. Rose how could you not love that. I do. Clearly, clearly i do. Its probably my favorite ballet. So glad you selected that. Rose because of the love. Because of the what . Theres something that is just so youthful and the exhilaration of romeo and juliet in that first ak where they meet, that love at first sight. Which in shakespeares iambic pem testimony ter is one thing and that poetry we know by heart, but to see it play out in the arch of a foot, theres Something Else that makes me catch pie breathe every time. Rose look at this, this is a clip of misty, she came here in july 2015. And she talked about her experience as an africanamerican at the abt. I think that its so important for people to understand that racism still exists. And it exists in the ballet world. And it is very difficult, and its as simple as looking at these Top Ballet Companies and how rare it is to see minority dancers. And i think that abt at this point is really setting the new standard, not with just me but with the promotion of another filipino woman this was promoted the same day as me. She is, i believe, the first pil pino woman to ever be the principal dancer am and i think that a brk t is really kind of standing up and saying this is the direction that classical ballet should be going. Rose knowing how you feel so strongly and passionately and eloquently about this, does anybody say, just dance. Yes, absolutely. You know, and have i. Days where its like i dont want to talk. I was trained to be a dancer and i never liked talking am which is probably why i was drawn to dance. But i that i that part of my purpose is not just to be a ballet dancer. But it is to speak about these issues and the cass kal ballet world. And not everyone is going to agree with me. Not everyone is going to understand it. And its not for everyone. But for those that are, its reaching. And that its affecting, and that its maybe changing their lives, those are the people that its for. Rose pretty goods ambassador for ballet. Absolutesly. Rose at the same time, it has opened a glaring omission, the number of africanamerican and minority dancersment and having role models is a very positive way to influence people. I couldnt agree more. She say tremendous role model. And i think that trying to address diversity in classical ballet is something that my predecessor was very focused on, kevin mckensie, the artistic direct are and the entire company were committed to it. And committed to it at all levels. So now with the youngest kids in the Childrens Division and across the world working with boys n girls clubs, and the administration, what is the administration look like in classical ballet. What do the teachers look like in classical ballet. And all of that feeds up to what does the principal dancers look like on the stage. Rose what is the relationship between the executive director, you, and creative director . So the artistic direct are of american ballet theat certificate kevin mckensie. And were partners. Its a dance. Much like the that you saw earlier. Rose do you choose the artistic director. No, no, no. Kevin has actually been there for 24 years and ive been there for about two months, so no. We both report to a board of directors. Rose the board chooses. Its board of trustees would choose the director. Exactly. And then we collaborate to advance this company, advance the mission of the company. Has dance been a lifelong love affair for you . It has been in that it was the first art form that i knew intimately am hi that ballerina dream that many little girls and boys have. But over time i train seriously am i was never at the level of the dancers that we have at american ballet theater. How far did you trainness i was probably dancing 40 hours a week in high school. In high school. But after that it was how can i keep the arts in my life. And that became first theater was the way in for me after my time at duke. I was working here broadway and off broadway. But i would always make sure that especially during the month of may and june that i was up at Lincoln Center watching american ballet theater at the metropolitan operahouse. And when i was working at Lincoln Center, are you not supposed to have favorite children because we have all of the art forms at Lincoln Center but i probably saw more ballet than anything else. I am a superfan. What did you get out of Harvard Business school that is applicable to the world that you function in now. I feel like im living the school solving problems, thinking strategically, and i think also just being a bridge. Having the ability to communicator between the Business World which we need so desperately in order to run our business, and order no attract philanthropic dollars, talking to people in the world of business. And trying to take what we do as far as our Artistic Mission and mary it with that. So that we can have the resources in place so that we can take even bigger artistic risks, so that we can advance that mission, propel it forward. The bol choy still a fug Ballet Company in russia. It. Is the russian Ballet Companies are incredible. And there are also Wonderful Companies around the world. The royal ballet, paris opera ballet, right here closer to home, certainly Many American companies that i admire an love to see when they come to town to perform. It wasnt true at my high school. But do high schools now have ballet as a presence in high school. Not enough, not enough it would be wonderful if there were more dance training at all ages. Ballet and other dance forms. I think its very important for young people to know how to move. An i wish also some ballet history and just performing arts history in general, cultural history were part of what we learned in school. There is probably not enough. But i think that the more that we can do digitally, the more that we can probably reach young people and educate them. The more you can translate what happens on stage to a small screen, and mobile app or wherever it might be. I think hopefully one day wherever you might be. Rose an abt app would be my next question. Not yet but stay tuned, stay tuned. But i think that there is, you have to have some experience that inspires you. Something that you see that clip of Misty Copeland, you want to try it. You want to try to dance. I think that that is a human response to what you see. And i wish that there were more ways for young people to try it out. Rose thank you for coming. Thank you very much for having me, its so nice to see you. Privilege an honor to be here, privilege and honor to have this role. Rose i look forward to coming. Will you please . Rose i promise, i promise. Thank you, please do. Rose thank you for joining us. See you neck time. For more about this program and earlier episodes visit us online at pbs. Org and charlie rose. Com. Rose funding for charlie rose is provided by the rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. This is nightly Business Report with Tyler Mathisen and sue herera. 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