Nightly show with Larry Wilmore. Every show has class, race or gender. Rose spotlight, the movie and Larry Wilmore of Comedy Central when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin talking about journalism and religion and politics and filmmaking. The revelation of systemic sexual abuse is one of the biggest scandals of the Catholic Church. The boston globe exposed the pedophilia and subsequent coverups in 2002. Won Pulitzer Prize for Public Service and led to exposing similar scandals worldwide. Leer ihere is the trailer for te film. I know there are things you cant tell me but i also know there is a story and i think everybody ought to hear about it. You think your paper has the resources to take that on . I do. Do you . The boston priests molested kids in six different parishes over the last 30 years. The church found out and did nothing. We havent committed longterm investigative resources to the case. No, we havent and thats the kind of thing your team would do. Spotlight . Everybody is going to be interested in this. Obviously the church will fight us very hard. Trying to get background information. I dont want you recording this in any way shape or form, nothing. Ure a kid from a poor. Ofettled family, when a priest pays attention to you, its a big deal. How do you say no to god . Spotlight. You think youve got something . We need to focus from the institution. Show me the game from the top down. Ill silence anyone who speaks out. You wont hear me . 6 act out sexually. 90 priests. If there were 90, people would know. Maybe they do. Youre going to give me the names and the names of their victims. Are you threatening me . I was doing my job. Yeah, you and everyone else. I am here because i care. Were going to tell this story, were going to tell it right. I hope we can keep this between us till we all get on the same page. Is that why were here, to get on the same page . We have true stories here, a story about degenerate clergy and about a bunch of lawyers turning child abuse into a cottage industry. Which story do you want us to write . Because were writing one of em. Im not crazy. This is not just boston. Its the whole country the whole world they knew and they let it happen it could have been you, me, any of us rose joining me director and coscreenwriter tom mccarthy, actors Michael Keaton and mark ruffalo and spotlight editors Sacha Pfeiffer and michael rezendes. I am pleased to have them at this table. Did they capture what happened . Its scary. They us. They nailed us. The story as we developed it is what appears on the film. The reporting, the stumbling around in the dark, wandering, arguments amongst us and the story we got to because it was so important. They got it . Yeah. Rose what does it say about journalism, this story of spotlight, at its best . Its a reminder that the press is so important in our society that but for reporters already lots of victimized populations around who have no voice, and that press is slowly disappearing right in front of all of us, and there hasnt been a great public cry of alarm about it. Rose about the disappearance of that kind of investigative reporting . Thats correct. Rose yeah. Your reaction to the film . I thought it was stunning the way they captured the stanc sube of what we did. Rose surprised . Yeah, i was surprised. A couple of Amazing Things about this movie one is it actually got made and, two, its really good. Rose captures the drama of the moment . It really does. It captures the importance of what we did, the way we felt about it, the way we lived our lives at that time, pretty remarkable. Ive talked to michael and mark about this, the public sees glamorous things about being actors. They could have played us any way they want. They studied us so intently they did marionisms we didnt know we had. He has mannerisms rose hes copying you now. laughter tell us how you thought you could make this movie. I was immediately compelled when approached by the computers and at that point secured the rights of the people and the globe that the story depicts. Its the story, we all know boston. In comes an outsider and day one set sights on the Catholic Church, arguably the most Irish Catholic city in the country, and its one thing about the hook. Dug into the material with my cowriter josh singer, and we realized how rich the story was and were especially connected to the investigation which is what the story portrays, and the tireless, at times tedious, sometimes dramatic and ultimately thrilling work rose did you go watch any of the movies like watergate and all the president s men im a director and i love movies and you cannot ignore all the president s men. I dont care if you care about journalism, its great movies. Preparing for this, the last thing i wanted to do was watch that movie or any other movie about journalism. Our plan was to commit to the story in front of us. Rose and the story, your definition . You have marty, he read an article in the globe the first thing in boston, Eileen Mcnamara wrote an article saying a local attorney had knowledge of the crimes and the simple question is what do we do about that. You really kept us focused on not just fighting the story rose marty did . He said what were trying to do is show whether Church Officials covered up for priests. The key for marty is the column discussed church documents that had been turned over and placed under a confidentiality order. The columnists Eileen Mcnamara used was the truth may never be known. And that got to marty and said journalists should never settle for that statement statement, its our job to find the truth. Rose its how hard it is to find the truth and how many obstacles are put in your way. Thats the sense of journalism that you car chiewrd. Nobody walks in and says, heres the story, run with it. Josh and i were committing to authenticity. We thought the investigation on its own is so compelling and the material and the stakes are so high, the welfare of children and survivors, we hear their stories. We committed to the details. We had the great luxury of their complete collaboration, the reporters themselves, along with us every step of the way. Rose how did that work, mark . It was, to be honest, a luxury. Tom had set the framing of the search for the truth, and i had the truth sitting there with me, i just had to rose hello, truth laughter i had to go and dig it up. I had to make sure that i could be honest and get as much information about what was happening inside the truth. Rose did you have to make any mid corrections here . Well, you know, i just want to say the trust factor here was very big, and mark came to my home and he opened up a notebook and he turned on his iphone and he started asking me questions not just about how i did my job but why i did the job. Rose the motivation . Exactly. I was really taken aback and thought this is kind of intrusive, actually. Were turning the tables on people all the time. We experienced what it is to be grilled and ask intensely personal questions like how did the project affect your marriage and thought, whoa, is this going to be in the movie . They have to work for the information and they work really hard. We ultimately respected that. They did, i swear, some days, i think, as much or more research about what we did than we actually did back in 2001, between josh and tom, original documents, contemporaneous emails, all of our recollections on tape, and then they went and interviewed everybody else who had been involved in the story outside ththe globe. Rose michael, you once thought about being a journalist when we did an interview out in california. I did mention it. Ive always liked it. When i was young, like a little kid, i liked it on some level. As i tell people, you know, i was reading the sports section. So i always did. I took one course and i really, really enjoyed it. Why i couldnt, i couldnt tell you. But ive always been interested. The thing about what mark and everyone said, mark, i think, was probably much more thorough than i was. The beauty was, you know, a lot of times when you create a character, you create something. We had it. I mean, i had it. Just open up the book and there it is. Rose we have been talking about marty baron. Here is a clip in which he is speaking to the papals legal counsel. Id like to challenge the protective order in the kagan case. You want to sue the Catholic Church . Were just filing a motion, but, yes. You think its that important . Yes, i do. Because, obviously, the church will fight us very hard on this, which wont go unnoticed by our subscriber base. 53 of them are catholic. Mmhmm. I think theyll be interested. Rose so the royal battle is on with the Catholic Church . One Great Institution in boston, the globe, pitted against the preeminent, in many peoples mind, institution, the Catholic Church, yes. Rose what do we know about cardinal law during all of this . Its very hard to know because he seldom granted interviews. The globe used to get one interview a year with him. Rose like at christmas . Like as christmas, but it was much anticipated and i dont recall very much was ever said but we published it nonetheless because he was the cardinal archbishop of boston and in many ways the most powerful figure in massachusetts. If the church wanted something passed into law, it happened. If they wanted to block something, it didnt happen. Rose where is spotlight today . Spotlight is still going strong. In fact, im still on the spotlight team and, thanks to marty baron, we have more reporters on the spotlight tell me than we did in 2001. Rose so at least hung tore do investigative reporting. A hunger and a commitment to do it. I think at the globe, i mean, after this story we should know better than anyone how important it is and that commitment remained. The commitment toll investigative reporting has remained. This team is not only larger but is basically a companion s. W. A. T. Team where they do quicker turnaround stories unlike the older version where people could be out of the paper a year. So its really nimble and i think we all realize when you give time and resources to reporters this is what can be accomplished. Will it make kids want to do what you guys do . I hope more it makes people who consume news, buy your newspaper and get home delivery. Rose dont be cynical about journalism. Right. Without good reporting, i mean, democracy wont work. People have to have information to make basic decisions. So its likely critically important. Rose michael, i think you said you considered yourself the coach of the team, is that right . I couldnt stand just to be the coach. Id love to get in the trenches and do what we all do which is to find stuff out. We get out of bed and want to know whats happening. To be on a team like this where you can have months to take on a really important subject and particularly in this case come up with something that really makes a difference in peoples lives in a very positive way. Rose and clearly. Take a look at. This this is where marty baron tells spotlight how to pursue the story again. Here it is. Thats why i had the reaction. I knew there were others. I think thats the bigger story. The numbers clearly indicate that there were senior clergy involved. Thats all they do. If we start with 50 pedophile priests in boston you get into the same cat fight as porter which made a lot of noise by changed things not one bit. sighing we need to focus on the institution, not the individual priests. Practice and policy. Show me the church manipulated it so these guys wouldnt have to face charges. Show me they put the same priests back into parishes time and time again. Show me it was systemic and came from the topdown. Sounds like were going after law. Rose rose you guys knew that from the beginning, you were going after law . We were going after the system. We were looking at the hierarchy. For years many Media Outlets had written about priests to abused children. Urch said its a bad apple. He rose always said its about the coverup. Thats very true in this case. We knew law was probably at the center. Before we started our work, law made public statements saying all of the reassignments of this particular serial child abuser had been approved medically. So that polled us the law was going to be a central part of the story and turned out he was. Rose where is he today . Hes in the vatican. He got a very nice after he left boston, he got a very nice job, many people regard it as a promotion, he was the arch priest of one of the five most important churches in rome and held influential and powerful positions in the college of cardinals. Rose even today . Now i think hes officially retired but he did play a role in the vaticans conduct of foreign affairs. Some of that came out in the Wikileaks State Department records that were leaked. Rose has pope francis made inroads into this kind of has his personal mission affected what you think is what has been behavior within the church, not just the act of the priests but the coverup. One thing hes done is the church was very much a clerical coasociety under his predecessor that tended to protect the priests and not the people in the pews. By getting people out of their limousines he started to change that and changed the focus to the people and the children. Rose whats the hardest thing about making the move . Good actors . Yeah, good material. Not a lot of ways to screw this up. laughter rose come on one of the Biggest Challenges is transporting people back to a time where people knew nothing. These reporters didnt know what they were walking into. Rose creating the sense of blindness they had. Right, and why was the church, such an iconic institution, how can they be such a part of this. There are so many amazing moments in the investigation and characters involved all the way around the investigation that we had to distill it to two hours and in doing so not only deal with the amount of flow of information, the dissemination, but the spirit of that investigation which at one moment was exciting and incredibly tedious and then ultimately thrilling, how to combine those things because were trying to tell an entertaining story. Rose but was it hard to do that . What was the go ahead, mark. I was going to say, what really works about the movie is how it walks and how youjtkw5as definitely walk away from the slaycious nature of the story and kept it in the dispassionate, constant unraveling of the facts, so that gives us a real way, by the end of this movie, to have such moral authority. Weve gone through as an audience this investigation. So were pulled out of just the emotionally wrenching aspect of seeing children raped and taken out of that which has its own emotional ring. It hammers you in its own emotional way and were lifted into the dialogue between the mind and the heart. The feelings and the discernment. And thats i think thats impossible to do almost. Ats what you guys did so beautifully. Rose and i agree with you totally. The other thing is all those people that ive interviewed in 40 years doing this and all those ive seen portrayed on screen, you know, you understand here and in other places the impact it has on those people, on how they feel alone because its like, as you said in the film, you know, youre accusing god. When we first heard they wanted a movie, i first thought why would anyone want to watch priests abusing children. You dont see it in the movie. Its still a journalistic story, but he conveys the impact without putting viewers through that. Rose how do they unravel this . Every time i talk about this movie, i see this movie, i feel stupid because i thought why did i not see or think of some of these things then . Its constantly informative to me. The other thing that i talked about the other fight was you can just mention how small the target was that he and josh and especially tom because hes at the helm, that target is tiny to do what were talking about here and making people want to see something thats procedural and its hard in and of itself. Then we have the burden of we talked about other movies that were about journalism, how could they work. They have the burden of what this just children being abused, a, but then faith. Were talking about faith. Thats the other thing thats deep, man. No matter what kind of faith, relieges faith or just somewhere down inside people, i think that really is in their gut and it resonates. And how do you i dont know how long the movie is, how many minutes it is, but you dont lose interest. You care, you laugh. I mean, this is a hard thing to pull off. Its extraordinary. I just wanted to do it because i feel fortunate that i get to do Something Like this. And then we see its actually good, it gets extraordinarily rewarding. Rose do you think the pope will see the film . Thats a great question. Right now, i havent anticipated a reaction from the church. That said, we heard the Vatican Radio that they had not endorsed the film but had nice things to say on it. Im not an expert but talking to organizations like snap who are an organization of survivors, their thing is theyre just looking for more transparency in the church and more action, that they get into changing practice and policy and were all excited about how pope francis is talking and speaking. He sounds inclusive and forwardthinking. Rose willing to take on some of the power in the church. Absolutely, but i cant imagine a greater cause than taking observe the wellfare of children. I think this is something people on both sides are saying it happens. I think this keeps the focus on clergy sex abuse because the church needs to do more on the issue and all the attention that will come because of this movie will further spur the church. Rose the journalistic action first for winning the Pulitzer Prize did create waves around the world. It did, but and long overdue. But, you know, we believe in the power of the printed word. I mean, thats what we do. But all of a sudden, now we have this film which has the potential to, in a much deeper way, affect public consciousness about this issue. I mean, thats an extraordinary thing. That film can do something as good as this, as good and as welldone and wellintentioned. Rose and at the same time be entertaining give you insight and all of that. Whats interesting, what youve captured so beautifully is you have these two institutions that in some way are part of the same problem. Within the globe, there was a looking away. Rose complicit. Yes. Not active, but it happened, right . But what is beautiful is you have an institution right itself on film. You see what itaa okay, is there is a possibility for it. That opens up the possibility for the Catholic Church to do the same thing. These guys are not asking the Catholic Church to do anything more than what they did themselves which is to look at the truth, expose it and then right the wrong. And, i mean, thats one of the beauties, i think, of the film that isnt talked about very much is how many institutions had to be part of it. It takes a village to raise a child, it takes a village to abuse one, too. And thats a really powerful message. Rose for many of the institutions. Many the legislative branch, the police, the patriarchy theyre the patriarch where of boston. Courts, pleerks everyone. I think it is more farreaching than the Catholic Church. I think at some point exponentially it will invade other cultures. Rose makes the institution reexamine themselves. Yes, and simply look how long child abuse and any kind of abuse has gone on not only in the Catholic Church but other cultures. This case happened recently with the afghanistan police. You know, thats a cultural thing. Going everything not to do air quotes here, but thats a cultural and i think it will spread wider than hopefully this. Rose who last questions. Ning you didnt have, because there is a time limit on how long films can be, that you wanted to do you couldnt do . Or did you have the opportunity to, in a sense, write the narrative, tell the story . I think we told the story. Of course there were characters and story lines we certainly wanted to include. I think possibly the one thing we couldnt include is this story was in 2001. Its when the boston globe was at the height of its powers and taken a huge hit. Now i think there is a little disconnect in terms of public knowledge, where they think the industry of journalism is now and how dire that situation is, not just for that particular industry but for our country and reliance on it. Good, strong, investigative local joulism. I think josh and i struggle on writing, could we include this idea, getting a sense of that is now and were missing out on that. We couldnt, we thought it would hopefully come up in discussion once we made the film. Rose this is the spotlight team arguing over when to publish the story. Roll tape. We have law. This is it. This is law covering for one priest. There is another 90 out there. Well print that story when we get it but we have the go with this now. Im not going to rush this story. We dont have a choice. If we dont rush the print, somebody else will find the story and bisher it. Joe was at the freaking courthouse why are we hesitating . He told us to get law he said to get the system, we need the full scope, the only thing that will put an end to this. Lets take it to ben and let him decide. We will when i say its time. Its time they knew and let it happen to kids okay . It could have been you it could have been me it could have been any of us weve got to nail these scum bags weve got to show people that nobody can get away with this not a priest or a cardinal or a freaking pope thats how h he is a lot of the time. laughter rose okay, just tell me was that dramatic license or was hat the way that meeting came down or some variation of that meeting . As the supervisor, i would have to say that there were occasions where its great to have passionate reporters working for you but occasionally you need restraints. You need to say, wait a minute, lets hold up and turn that energy outward and get more information. Damn right laughter i can tell you most editors dont like it when you yell at them. Mostly its a tactic that doesnt work. How do you know that . laughter fortunately, i was working with this guy. Rose thank you. Thank you very much. Rose spotlight opens in limited release november 6. Go see it and you will understand more about the collision between institutions and the press and some lessons about both. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose Larry Wilmore is here. Since january of this year he has been the host of the the nightly show on Comedy Central. He took over the coveted spot in the late show lineup vacated by stephen colbert. Colbert. The nightly show is meant to give a platform to voices that dont always get heard. Jon stewart calls him the grownup in the room that can take a panel of comedy to something deeper. A look at the show with Larry Wilmore. Stop it stop it laughter okay. How are you shooting machine guns in front of a government building without getting arrested . Well, were white. laughter he got clocked and got arrested for it . They handcuffed him in his n. A. S. A. Tshirt. Look at the poor brother in the back, he cant even believe it. Look at that, man, the last little piece of my soul just died. laughter i get pulled over and police say, im just czeching on you. You good . Im, like, yeah, good they say, you feel safe . Yeah, i feel pretty good i dont have a license. You dont need a license get out of here everybody may attack him but he cant shoot us all. He cant shoot you all he probably can due to your position on not wanting to limit high capacity magazines. Donald trumps tax plan would mostly benefit donald trump. This is like if barack obama slashed taxes on mom jeans. The Catholic Church is true. This is exactly who the pope is i think there is a big part of the story that was missed. He met with her because she asked to confess that she had sinned by completely misapplying her public duties and not understanding what her public duty was. Really i think you just made that up. laughter rose Larry Wilmore previously appeared as the senior black correspondent on the daily show with jon stewart. He won an em y and peabody award for the bernie mac show. Pleased to have him at the table. Thank you, an honor to be here. Rose who would imagine in iowa we would see ben carson overtaking donald trump, and the two of them would be the leaders in the Republican Party at this stage. Charlie, those are my early picks. Rose you lie, man, you lie. They call me crazy. I said the troll and black droopy dog will be the frontrunners. You may pick your jeb bush, but those are my picks. Rose how do you have such insight . Its like picking horses, you know. Sometimes a lot of people pick them by their records, but i pick them by their names. Rose doesnt matter about gender or anything. No, go superficial or nothing at all. Rose so is the show that i see last week, youre off this week the show you set out to create . Thats a good question. Its an evolution of the show we start out to create. You always start with something and you want to start with a strong idea for something. For us, jon pitched this show to me, jon stewart. He wanted to give a platform to voices that dont necessarily get a chance to be heard, and he wanted to do a show from the point of view of the underdog, and he said, larry, ill be honest with you, every important story in america has race, class or gender hiding underneath there somewhere, and we took that and thought, okay, thats a good point of view. Well make that a show. And its evolved into what it is now. But we started off pretty strong from the Central Point of view. Its working out the kinks and that sort of thing. Rose was it race, gender and politics . Race, gender, class, we feel, is under those. Rose is that what it is today . We feel most of the major issues have a patina of that in there somewhere. Its interesting how much those issues keep coming up again and again. Rose whether its in a shooting or in some its amazing how much class has to do with so many of the things, too. Even the pope talked about that when he talked about, you know, capitalism being the dung of the devil, he was speaking to have class and the importance of classer and cal tallism and income inequality. Gender is the center of the issues like race used to be. There is 100 gender classifications. Your head swims with how fast the times are changing. Five years ago, even marriage inequality would have been unheard of as a popular opinion and now its a popular opinion. Its moving at lightning speed. Rose it is. And i thought all the good bad race stuff happened when i did the show. Rose what happened . Yeah, did we overcome what happened . We shall overcome, thats right. Rose we shall overcome. Right. You get up in the morning with your producers and look for what . Well, usually, we talk about it the day before the first thing were trying to do is answer to the headlines, whats going on, whats breaking now, whats happening in the news and do we have an answer for that or a comment about it, and were also looking for the underdog story, whos the underdog in the story, whats the underrepresented voice. We call it what is your nightly take on the story. Rose youre looking for a story that involves an underdog or somebody who doesnt have a voice . Sometimes i call it top dog underdog. The underdog is more interesting for us to take the point of view than the top dog. Rose give me your best example of that or an example. Sure. If you look at many of the ill give a very simple example. There is this kid who wanted to give a valedictorian speech for his high school and he was going to come out of the closet and the principal told him he couldnt do it and he called his parents and out him to his parents. Rose the principal did . Yes, a horrible thing. The kid is clearly an underdog in this story and his story needed to be told. Rose how did you tell that story . Thats not at first glance a funny story. No, its not. So in that situation, we made his i i dont even remember the jokes we did but we made that story available to the audience and brought him out and had him do his speech and i gave him a little crap as he was doing his speech. But the emotions of him coming out was so interesting and kind of liberating to see a kid come out and give a speech he wanted to give in the first place. But that was one small example. But sometimes well take a tough story like the charleston shooting. We didnt know how to do at that story. Jon stewart didnt even do comedy that night. There is nothing funny about that. He clearly said his agenda was a racist agenda. He was out to kill and the reason he killed them was because they were black. Rose he went into a black church. Yes. To me the church is the secondary part, the primary part is the racial story. I wasnt old enough at the time, but the girls killed in the church, thats where my mind went. And in those days and there was no confusion back in those days that it might have been a religious shooting or racial killing. Everyone coz clear that was a racial killing and incident. But it took fox news to make it seem they can it was a religious incident, they were killed because they were christian, and we thought it was a disservice to the story, that was not the story. And we find the iran irony in t. Rose jon would have had a field day with that. Thats right. Some of the stories we do are inherently sad. But part of what were doing is finding the humanity in the stories and within that the comedy. Rose was this simply a nice, easy, natural transition for you . You had a varied experience as a writer, yes. Rose on camera. Its funny. Rose a runner. Yes laughter ive come a long way in this business. It was my evil plan years ago to be doing this sort of thing. Rose are you serious . It was. Back in the early 90s, the reason i started writing and producing is hollywood couldnt peg me as a performer. I did political assumer, ironics, improvisational, but they were putting us all into one box at that time and called it urban. If you didnt sound like you were from the ghetto, you probably werent going to get hired for something. So i thought i need to carve my own direction and make my own route so i dont have to wait for hollywood to find me. So i started writing and producing. Reporter smart move. Turned out to be to try to make your own way. Its tough as a performer being at the mercy of the business for so much. And i have kind of an entrepreneurial spirit and i like to start my own thing and that sort of thing. That was my evil plan, before i did this a couple of years ago, i did a couple of elections called race election and sex in utah. laughter rose a great title. Thank you very much. It was patented after the cold charles coral when he would go on the road. Rose on the road is when it would come out. Yeah, and he would find these stories across america. I wanted to go around america and talk to people in the towns instead of just on the coast and do my lefty liberal show. I said, no, lets find out what happened with the people. I thought utah would be great because romney was running at the and wand to find out what was going on with mormonism. So the show almost turned out to be what the nightly show is now. I started with a monolog, did a short interview and a panel discussion. My goal was people from the town to be on the show along with a celebrity. Rose great having your own show in. Its really fun. Its everything you expected and everything no one ever tells you about at the same time. Rose what did they tell you . I have to work every day. Whats up with that . laughter rose thats right and if you dont have a guest, you dont have a show most of the time. Yeah, or i have to talk to myself. For me, charlie, im hosting it by myself, i get the other cohosts where i can call in and say, cast a bad light on someone in the room. Rose if i dont show up, the ladies take over. Yeah, the moment you do it, its fun. Rose its one of the great things you can do and have fun. You get up in the morning and you say, whats happening . Thats what you say, whats happening . Yep. Rose and then you figure out how you can connect to it. Thats right. Rose you connect to it in a different way than i do. Thats exactly right. I multitask in the morning. I watch about three shows that i watch all the time. Rose pbs this morning. Pbs this morning is one of them, morning show, cnn. I go back and forth between those. I love your recap. Its fantastic. I love that thing. Rose the 90 seconds . Yeah,ettes great. You get to see whats going on so quick. I think its a great idea. Cnn usually has some guest thats interesting that time of the day. Morning joe has politics and i love hearing politics early on. At the same time im on my ipad and seeing things that are trending. Rose and youre looking at tweets or youre not . Not so much social media. I do more facebook because i want to see what stories people are talking about. Ill do a little bit of that. Rose what do you do on facebook . Ill go through the news feed, check the New York Times and if im interested ill read that, too. Im doing that simultaneously. Rose youre multitasking like crazy. Im scattered brained, the only way to calm my brain is to do multiple things. Rose you just resigned or reupped . They picked us up for a Second Season and well get to cover the election next year. Its the most entertaining thing ever. Rose i would love to have ben carson and donald trump here tonight. Why is that not happening while im here . Can i please with be your cohost . Ill bring you in if we get them. Will you be here . Ill drop everything id love to do that rose you cant make this up. Donald trump is i dont know if fading is the right word, i dont know if the patina is kind of rose i think somethings happening at both ends. One end is the repetition of some of the things begins to catch up. First time its amusing, the second time is less than abusing. Then what do you talk about. Exactly. Rose thats within your calling card. My calling card is mine is bigger than yours. laughter and this is true. Oh, absolutely. I mean, im not sure if thats a fact, but anybody wants to build a wall that big, usually means the opposite. laughter rose so where do you want to take it this year . Were sharping the show, always trying to make it better. Ill probably do more field pieces where ill get out and do more fun tape pieces. We did some things with some president ial candidates called Larry Wilmore soul food sit down. I just did one with rand paul. Rose like what . Ibs, chicken, whatever they order, greens, mac and cheese. Rose all the stuff i grew up on. I had big gay ice cream with nancy pelosi. For people who dont know, in new york, theres a place called big gay ice cream. So we have plans to get out and do more interviews. I did a lot of that stuff on the daily show. Well be incorporating more oneonone interviews. There is a more laser listening and answering that is a lot of fun. It took a lot of work to handle that panel every night. Rose the dynamic of the panel . Thats harder than the oneonone . Very difficult. It requires a different type of preparation. Youre two questions ahead sometimes. Sometimes or dont worry, ill get to you. Rose or this person hasnt spoken for the last five minutes so you want them to its symphonic. Yeah. Rose it makes it interesting. Also in this kind of thing, you have some video you want to add to the conversation, and that will produce a reaction from everybody. Right. And as im doing it, i have a certain amount of time to get entertainment, information, provocation depending on the topic, involving everyone, hopefully coming to some point theyre satisfied, hopefully will get something out of it. I dont want prefab jokes. I love active listening where im inventing on the spot. Thats been the most fun, really listening to saying whats behind that. Rose i call it living in the moment. It really is. Rose and sometimes you will see people are not paying attention and theyll repeat something. Yes. Rose but the idea of living in the moment, so you really do hear what somebody is saying. Correct. Rose it will just give you five questions automatically if youre tuned . Thats exactly right. Whats interesting, when we first started the show, there was a lot of preparation spent on questions. I realized i dont need a lot of questions, you know, because then youre so interested in the question, i want to put my interest in the person. You know, and in the conversation. So rather than think of clever questions for any topic, i think of the direction of the conversation i want to have. Rose i do, too. And how am i going to provoke that conversation. If it changes, thats fine. Because i need to stay in the t it happen and not try to and force it to where i think it should go. Rose if you can create that spontaneity, it will go somewhere and be much more pleasing. Always. Its so much fun. Rose ive seen the people do the following you anticipate and you say, i want to go hoar and here and here and youve worked it out in your mind that b follows a and somehow what that persons says in a means you should go right to s. And youre thinking, well, first, ive got to get this in, and then you end up losing the best part of a real conversation. And sometimes b goes to 12. Rose exactly laughter wait a second how do we do that . Were not even letters now. Rose you went from letters to numbers and nobody told me. We were talking about womens issues, and holly walker started talking about how women have a period and she said, im having one right now. Rose she said that . And these three women in front of me started talking about women and their periods and im a guy here having this conversation and it was so interesting. We were all, like, now, what is so, tell us, ladies rose tell us something we didnt know. Yes, and i had no idea this was going to happen. It happened in a moment. The audience was interested and much better than anything i could have prepared. Rose do you have any time to do standup, to produce other specials, to not as much time as i had, but im still involved with other things. Before i did this, i was involved in launching blackish. The hbo we still did the pilot for and im still involved as a creative consultant on the show which i can do in my spare time. But im always interested in mentoring writers and doing projects. Im sure at some point ill have a bigger Production Company and that sort of thing. Rose did john mentor you . Im going to say jon and i were more peers. I was already an established show runner. Rose i know that. Not where you were on some spectrum, but he brought you in . Yes. Rose he came to you and said, i want you to do a show. Let me be clear, jon is a master in this area. He is the yoda in this particular brand of comedy, and its an editorial style comedy where youre sympathizing an idea and your point of view and you have passionate and conviction and there is intent and clarity about all those things. And jon is amazing about that. And he really yes, he was a complete mentor in that area. Rose and he also seems to have a really remarkable insight in terms of what the potential of somebody is. Yes. He has a great eye for talent in a way Johnny Carson did also and a generosity carson did. Rose did both. Exactly. Rose im constantly amazed at stories in which people will say two things. I mean, jon had a great eye for talent. Secondly, he wanted you to look good. Yeah. Rose so whatever he did was to make you look good. Obviously wanted a laugh. Yes. Rose and its his show. Yes, his ego is not attached to who is getting the laugh. Rose his ego is attached to the laugh. To the integrity of the jog, thatjog the integrity of the joke. Thats where his ego was attached and where his fight was all the time. Rose how do you measure the success of the show . Thats a great question. There is the empirical evidence of whos watching it which most people measure it, and then there is the quality that you think youre bringing to a show. Sometimes thats measured with the acclaim it gets, sometimes just word of mouth. You always try to measure it with how you all feel as a group. I think its probably a combination of those things at the end of the day. I think you have to feel satisfied with your product at the end of each work day and know you got the best out of it you could. Rose and to know why . Exactly, and to always push yourself. Ive always tried to push myself in my career to put myself in dangerous areas i dont feel comfortable in. Believe nee, charlie, if i didnt have show business, i would be laying around watching golf all day. People will say, larry, why are you writing . I need a deadline. So thank god for that. Rose the clock doesnt lie. It doesnt. I love pushing myself and having the challenges and theyre very scary and i pull it off. I think its the tight rope act i like. Rose we often ask people what is their essential talent. Is yours comedy or writing or wherever they merge . Its funny. I think if i were to say if i have a gift, i would say i love Human Behavior and i really like to examine what motivates us to do things. Rose but thats comedy, isnt it . And it comes out in the form of comedy. Thats the thing that god gave me, you know. But i love doing comedy in many forms. I love performing it, writing it, producing it. I love doing all the ways to make it a little comedy thing that we get to eat. Rose is this the best time of your life . Absolutely, up there with the birth of my kids. laughter but im having so much fun. The fact i get to talk to and meet so many people and we get to tell these stories. I know how rare it is to have this opportunity. I have been in Television Long enough. You know, so, i have the required amount of humility one needs to enjoy this, you know. Rose its great to have you part of the late night. It is an honor. Rose thank you for coming here. Thank you for having me. Rose Larry Wilmore with the nightly show, Comedy Central. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. For more about the program and earlier episodes, visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org steves the colosseum was and still is colossal. Its the great example of ancient roman engineering. It was begun in 72 a. D. , during the reign of emperor vespasian when the empire was nearing its peak. Using romanpioneered concrete, brick, and their trademark round arches, romans constructed much larger buildings than the greeks. But it seems they still respected the fine points of greek culture. They decorated their nononsense megastructure with all three greek orders of columns doric, ionic, and corinthian. Stepping inside, you can almost hear the roar of ancient rome. Take a moment to imagine the place in action. Romans filled and emptied the colosseums 50,000 seats as quickly and efficiently as we do our super stadiums today. Its built with two theaters facing each other. Thats what an amphitheater is. So twice as many people could enjoy the entertainment. Canvas awnings were hoisted over the stadium to give protection from the sun. These passageways underneath the arena were covered by a wooden floor. Between acts, animals and gladiators were shuffled around out of sight. Ancient romans, whose taste for violence exceeded even modern americas, came to the colosseum to unwind. Gladiators, criminals, and wild animals fought to the death, providing the public with a festival of gore. To celebrate the colosseums grand opening, romans were treated to the slaughter of 5,000 animals. Announcer this is nightly Business Report, with Tyler Mathisen and sue herera. Going positive. A flurry of deals helps stocks start november way bang and pushed the Dow Jones Industrial average into the black for 2015. Health scare. Chipotle shuts down several dozen stores because of an e. Coli outbreak. Well take a look at the fallout. And have and have nots. Mortgage lending on the rise, but mostly to those with stellar credit scores. So what does that mean for the Housing Market . All that and more on nightly Business Report for monday november 2nd. Good evening, everyone, and welcome. Glad you could join us. It was a strong start to the month of november. As a spate of mergers set the tone and put investors in a buying mood on the first trading day of this new month. More on