World and see whats happening. Photography isnt effective as a medium as opposed to whats happening now. We didnt want to have a live Video Company and that was the means to the ends. Rose we conclude by talking to the actor Peter Sarsgaard about his new film experimenter. There are several realities going on in this specific experiment. You have the person who thinks theyre electrocuting someone else. Thats the reality of the valid reality. Its true to them. The actor in the room have another reality. Stanley who is o the other side of a twoway mirror is another reality. This isnt a traditional biopick its like a box of mirrors. Rose all about foods with alice waters, Calvin Trillin and fanny singer, periscope with Kayvon Beykpour and Peter Sarsgaard when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by american express. Rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose alice waters has changed the way we think about ask the way we eat food in this country. She opened her renown restaurant over 40 years ago much its emphasis on local ingredients help galvanized the slow grow movement. She had the school yard in 2005, teaches children the importance of growing, cooking and sharing food. President barack obama awarded her the National Humanities medal. She returns to this table with her daughter fanny singer who collaborsated and her long time friend and fellow food lover Calvin Trillin. Hes been a regular contributor to the new yorker magazine since 1963 and is of course a great friend of this program. Im pleased to have all of them at this table. Welcome. Great to see you my dear. Thank you. Rose and you sir. Thank you. Rose this is a friendship here, isnt it . Alice and fanny, yes. Alice and fanny and me. Rose yes. Yes. Weve known each other for a long time. Rose born of a love for food or born out of how you two came together and we like each other. Well i met alice a long time ago. And then she married the brother of a good friend of mine. And so we saw even more of her. And then fanny came along. And that improved the situation. Rose whats in my pantry, my dear . All sorts of wonderful. Rose something new to say to us. I guess what i want to say is that the easiest way to cook something quickly and delicious is to have certain things in your pantry ready. And so i always have Good Olive Oil and vinegar. Rose Good Olive Oil. Good olive oil and vinegar. I always spend money on Good Olive Oil. But i also like spices and i like to have, you know, a really good pasta and i like to have something that i made myself. And so this book is about the things that really make my cooking my own. Thats how i think about it. Rose do you know whats great about this book is the illustrations. Where did you have dinner last night, can you tell me . Well, yes, i can tell you. We were on the 51st floor of the bank of america building and they were doing a benefit. For part of the food and wine festival. Rose right. And they provided the menu for the dinner. They asked us to do the menu and we brought chefs and david tanis from new york and we cooked for a hundred people. Fanny and i had the pleasure of talking about the book. And i think they raised a lot of money. Rose youre close to a lot of bankers. Were you there. No. I do have a theory on banking. That the melt down 2008 was caused by smart people going to wall street. In my era, the lower third of the class, and they were pleasant people or not stupid or anything but they couldnt have done credit to false swaps. They didnt know the math. So thats pretty much my connection with wall street. Rose a lot of people invested wheels of power on wall street and all of a sudden we have derivatives nobody could imagine. Things you couldnt start with exactly. Rose going crazy. But i dont know anything about wall street. Rose you do know something about food. Well a little bit. I dont cook. Well, i cook, i dont cook in new york. I cook in nova scotia in the summer. Rose is that true . Yes. I have between three and eight dishes depending how you count. Whether there is stove involvement to make it a dish. Some of them dont. Like i have pate. We go way back. Rose you cook the mackerel. And smoke it. I buy it smoked. Since we go way back, charlie, ill tell you the ingredients to smoked mackerel. Rose you can make smoked mackerel. Exactly in a cuisinart. You can smoke it yourself. People who improvise on top of the stove. We could do that. And then on National Holidays and birth days i might put a little mayonaise in it. There are some preserve dish recipes in this book which is something we can make. I want you to know, i did not contribute any recipes to this book. Although he did contribute a recipe i will never forget in an intimate book my mom put together when i was going to college. It was our friends recipe. Our Family Friends added to this called fannys survival book cook. His recipe was scrambled eggs that stick to the pan every time. Thats what i used to feed my girls for breakfast, scramble eggs, split them. Then one time they came downstairs and they were Holding Hands and they said were never eating your scrambled eggs again. I said what is this bolsheviks, and they never have. Rose when you cook scrambled eggs what kind of oil do you use. I use olive oil. And i think its too delicious. Maybe you can get a job in food. Rose thats exactly what i do. I cook scrambled egg. I put a little bit of cumin salt on it. This is one of the really hard recipes in the book. Rose i dont know what cumin salt is. You know what cumin seed is. Rose yes. You just put a pan on the fire and you toast the cumin seed and you pound them and you add salt to it. I pound them into mortar and pest sl. I love reading the book where alice comes home from a trip and she opens her pantry it gives her such comfort whats there. I have kind of the opposite feeling. I come home and i open my refrigerator and theres a bunch of beer and i think where am i, the sae house. I dont even recognize it as home. Rose before we talk more about food, the National Humanities, thats the a big deal as you know. The president , she was celebrating the bond between the ethical and the edible. Did you write this . I did not write this but i think its very true because alice, when could have built sort of an empire or a series of brand extensions. Thats what people do and instead she put it back into things like the Edible School yard and Sustainable Agriculture so i think its a good model. I actually think she deserved the National Rose absolutely. The president said in Closing Remarks that she had promised to cook for him but nothing unethical that would violate rules such as gifts. Have you cooked for the president yet. I have cooked for the president , not at for a number of benefits, i organized and was part of the team. Rose what are big benefits anyway. I never understood that. Rose to buy another yacht . What is it. I think its kind of crazy the kind of money they need to raise to become president. I think its completely crazy. Rose its in fact a money on politics. Exactly. But i look forward to the time that he does come. I have to say one thing that when fanny stays with me in new york because she lives in england and she visits me and loves my pantry. Its at least a long time acquaintance but she puts stuff in there. Rose we talk about the humanities and all the beautiful thing that are cultural experiences for us and lift our spirits and yet weve never really talked about food that way. Food has always been like fuel and thats considered to be something that really lifts our spirits. And when food and agriculture are put together and or the ribbon of nature, it brings us back to the table where a cultural conversation can happen. I agree with you totally. I believe in that. Rose every great meal i ever had was matched by a great conversation. Thats very sad statistic that 85 of the kids in this country dont have one meal. With their family at the table. So it means that theyre just out there grazing. And the conversations where you learn to pass the peas isnt happening anymore. Its very important to us that we make that happen in the schools. Yes, completely. Its to change the food in the schools and bring the children around the table. I want to make school lunch an academic subject. Thats what i want to do. So youre eating, eating a tortilla and youre speaking spanish. Rose very good. Or youre discussing the history of food. Rose this is alice waters educational philosophy. Yes. And i think shes been educating people about restaurants too. When i first started traveling around the country, if you asked somebody where to eat, they would tell you whats call the fine dining restaurant, which i call the la maison on the top floor of some spinning building. Someone puts her purse down here it goes halfway across the room. And a menu that tells you a lot about the food except its been frozen for a year andahalf. I always thought the continental trail ways bus company or Something Like that. And the chef there and the head waiter was a guy who was hired to make you feel uncomfortable and not quite deserving. You were lucky to be there. And i think what alice and some other people do in the 60s was take that fine dining away. And plus in that restaurant, if they wanted to charge a little extra for something they would import it. Rose fine dining for her became the quality of the food. Quality of the food and the people. And the fact it was sort of an egalitarian place and also local as opposed to imported. Rose all the great chefs do that now dont they. They do. Rose they copied you in that. You go to oslo for example, you have stuff around oslo. Exactly. And copenhagen. Rose yes. Copenhagen. Its just a matter of coming back to our senses. I mean, this is the way that weve done it since the beginning of civilization. And somehow its been lost in the fast food culture of this country. And we are doing really crazy things. Were feeding ourselves food that isnt good for us. Rose is your life today teacher rather than. I think it is. I think cooking will always be but its the kind of comfort, its part of coming back in here, sort of routine at home, always learning to make something for yourself. Its certainly not the profession occupation that it used to be. But theres still, my mom is still present in terms of how the restaurant runs and the menus and the conversations that are happening with the cook. As far as what shes thinking about on a daytoday basis its sort of one track mind edible education, Edible School yard. I think it has become this kind of just passion that is all consuming. Rose was it hard for you to resist putting in las vegas. Not hard to resist. As i say, those were all kind of brand extension restaurant and in a way it is very tempting. But alice went the other direction. And now the restaurants in every city in american. Or copy that stuff. The other thing that happen of course around the same time was society was shaken up enough so it was okay for a trust lawyer from denver if he was asked about his son saying hes great. Hes a chef in San Francisco. Bull, well it used to be the was kind of a class problem here. Rose its a hard class to be a chef in San Francisco than a trust lawyer in kansas city. Not in kansas city. Anythings better than kansas city. Rose do you cook off. I do. I cook all the time. Thats why that was a natural process that i could imagine all of the thing, all of these rhesus recipes ive been working on this book. Rose who is samantha. Shes my right arm. And we talk about food every morning and shes kind of an amazing cook herself. She collaborsated with me and she is in fact here in new york and organize the whole group thats cooking for this benefit. We did one last night and were doing one tonight. Going from here to the benefit. Rose why dont you go to the benefit. Youre invited. Youre both invited. Im not sure i want to eat in a bank. Rose what are you writing. Putting together some pieces on race which ive done in the past which turns out to be more trouble than i thought. Some of the piece has to be cut, i have to write an introduction. Which one is going in. I thought it was like dipping into capital and just putting it in. Ive done a book of childrens poems thats going to come out in a year. Rose good you go out to eat every night. No. I somehow without cooking, of course i used to live in the village. My house has not moved but the real estate people decide i live in the west village so i live in an area which is probably the capital of prepared food in the world. So i can always pick something up. I sometimes push the beer aside and find something in the back of the fridge. Rose i dont know the answer to this. I was trying to ask a question you didnt know the answer to. Go ahead. Rose about food. Ive forgotten now for a moment. I dont know the answer. Rose do you eat with the same passion. Do you eat to live rather than live to eat. No, i do like to eat. But im, i never ate with as much package as the book indicates because those are basically different experiences squeezed together so it looks like thats all i do is eat. And so i was never really that way. And also i have to admit, when i see like a review of a restaurant or something, i look at the bottom to see where it is. If its on east 74th street or west 68th. Rose let me just tell. You live in midtown in manhattan, right near central park. Isnt it getting better. Certain things i have not experienced. I dont boycott. Rose what are they. What. Rose things you never experienced. Theres a lot. You dont want to hear that. Rose no. Its great to have you here. The medal goes to you for the great love of this country for what you have made us understand and appreciate the food and about its naturalness. Its the idea, this is what i really think. And i came from somewhere else and they were talking to me about a product. Im like why, why do you spend so much. He said because the people who use this will know i cared. And the same thing is true about food. Absolutely. Rose they will know you cared. They do know. Rose exactly. Children, when they pick it and they book cook it, they all want to eat it. Not just give it to somebody else. The other kids just appreciate that. Very wonderful feeling that we all need to find together. Connected to nature, connected to the table and really come back to our senses. Rose people always comment about this table bonds it reminds them of a table in their own house. There are so many great memories of family come from around the table. In high school through the years, you have a couple High School Kids its like a soap opera. Better than watching television. Rose great to see you, sir. Great to you see, charlie. Rose well come back and talk about politics. I would love to know what you think about the big candidacy. It will take another big show for that. Rose thank you fanny. Thank you so much. Its a pleasure. Rose the book is called my pantry. Alice waters and fanny singer. Making simple meals your own. Well be right back. Stay with us. Rose Kayvon Beykpour he is cofounder and ceo of periscope purchased by twitter. This app allows anyone to broadcast video in real time anywhere in the world. He says the mission is to create the closest thing to a teleportation machine. Large training platform changing the way we communicate and share our experiences. Periscope and its peers have also come under scrutiny in their role for enabling the piracy of extra right. I welcome Kayvon Beykpour even though we met at another table. Tell those who might not appreciate what periscope is and does, the app. Periscope, yes, the app. Mayor scope is the sym plus way to watch or start a live video broadcast. If you have an android or ipad anyone can watch and hear. If youre in the midst of a protest in baltimore or ferguson you can go live and share that with the world. If youre running on the beach with your dock and you want your friends and family to see you can go live. Rose i dont know if you can do it on a plane but if youre on a train and youre sitting next to a remarkably interesting person, you can pull out your smart phone, and have a conversation. Yes. Rose someone you might not see again at the end of the trip. And share with whoever wants to watch it. Absolutely. Rose thats rather interesting. I mentioned the sale to twitter. Why did you choose to sale. One of the things we thought was really interesting is the vision for, the vision and mission for periscope is actually very similar to twitters. Twitter i think is its a really time pulse of whats happening around the world. Thats what we want periscope to do. Rose real time is a key word. Yes, thats a key word. Its a key word and the key pardon about that is that its about the world. Twitters way, mechanical way of pleasuring that is through 10 characters through pictures and video. Periscopes video has live videos focused. Thats one of the reasons why the idea on the partnership of twitter whatever that meant. Rose it enables you to do things you might not have been able to do right now on your own. Well absolutely. Just the Brand Recognition that twitter has alone i think is one of the reasons why we are where we are from the brand pervasiveness perspective. People all around the know periscope and are using periscope. I dont think we would have quite gotten there as quickly if we would have done this without twitter. Rose in the beginning you used images rather than video. The initial idea, when joe and i and my cofounder had this inkling of what payment periscope we built a simple prototype and it was pictures. It was almost like a reverse gag map. We wanted to drop a pin somewhere in the world and see a picture but still photography isnt as effective as a medium whats happening now like a live video. We didnt want to have a live Video Company for the sake of having a live Video Company. That was a means to the end. Rose how fast are you growing. Were growing very rapidly. We reached over 10 million accounts. Every day roughly 40 years worth of live broadcasts are watched. If you added up all the time that people spend watching live broadcast every day its 40 years. The fact we launched eight months ago, were really happy about that. It keeps us up all night making sure our servers dont on go down. Rose how did you solve the problem of we had a fantastic team. One of the our engineers is in wales. We spent a lot of time with the infrastructure. You have something nice, not hd but something good about the quality. Rose it tells you what can be done. In the sense of. Rose they can figure out ways they can use payer mayr scope you cant imagine. Thats true for twitter and every other sort of consumer application. Rose if its not twitter they werent thinking about being part of revolutions. No they wanted to build a communication pod. But users dictate how these evolve and its certainly been true with mayor scope. We had our sense how people might use it but within the first day we were sag where weve gone we never thought of that. Rose tell us Something Interesting. One of the favorite ones, theres a clot of collaborative broadcast. Thats say theres a graffiti artist. The graffiti artist will go live. The mission of the broadcast will be to collaboratively paint something with the audience. So the audience will say draw me a wall, draw me a blue sky draw me a rose, draw me a turtle. You have an artist, a craftsman responding to you. This piece of art is evolving over time. I see so many of those broadcasts its really fascinating. This morning i was sitting in my hotel room and i got my twitter feed started blowing up because apparently someone was doing a live broadcast drawing my face. Which is something ive got to check this out. She was asking the audience what color should i paint his pants and shirts. He never wears red, use a neutral color. That interactive broadcaster viewer experience. Even on television, you reach minutes of people. Rarely the audience sitting at home has a chance to interact with the creation process. That to me is the imagine call of the medium likeness where youre bridging this gap. Rose ill give you a small exam public i thought about. When i went to st. Petersberg i went to the hermitage, i knew the director and had been there for 20 years and his father had been there for 20, 30 years. So he walked with me. We have a Television Camera through the museum. We looked at the paintings. It was a day which there were thousands of people in the museum and we walked through and talked about the museum. It had an interesting quality of being real not packaged and sterile. I could have done that with a periscope. It would have been better on periscope. Rose y and people will understand its not going to be perfect and you dont have time to edit and make the right cuts. Its going to be real. Here we are at a museum and heres a man who can tell us everything we might want to know about the history of the place. Hes the authentic source. We like to think when we think about what were doing, we like to think that periscope has the potential of being a platform for truth. We say truth because in that its live, you know its happening right now. Its not edited or filtered, its authentically happening right now. Theres something really powerful about that, other tools i dont think can express literally as a periscope can. Rose heres an idea you believe i think and so do i. Time watched. Explain it from your stand point. We think of the most relevant way of understanding whether people are engaged in using this tool we built is to understand how much time they spend watching the broadcast. If everyone opens the app but is never going in and watching a broadcast they are probably not get ag valuable experience. The metric we focused on is how much time are they watching and specifically how much are they watching live. Sure you can go back and watch the archive of this broadcast later but we think that live experience is we really want to optimize. How we measure our own success. Rose it depends on compelling content and the circumstances. The circumstances we find often times its the broadcaster themselves. You could be doing a mundane broadcast but if youre a compelling narrator people want to listen to you. Rose passion, scriptive power. Knowing how to be a performer and engaging your audience. Part of that is activity. If youre responding to questions you dont need to be doing the most exhilarating thing. You could be a people want to watch you because youre you. Rose this thing with Roger Federer, just watching him work out and practice and then have him come over and talk to you for 15 minutes about the work out. The best one is Roger Federer at wimbledon. He was walking from the practice courts through the royal box on to center court. Mind you this is before the tournament started. So roger is asking the president , do you mind if i go step on the grass. The guys won the tournament seven sometimes. Of course you can go. Being able to be in the palm of his hand, people are saying hey roger, he was holdingate. Someone in the audience said hey roger do you mind come to my wedding. No, im busy this year. You dont see that on tv or any other platforms. Rose how will it be used by news. Its already being used by news. Some of our most powerful examples are either citizen journals or journalists in the fields. The refugee crises in the middle east some of the most powerful broadcasts is this journalist who works for built in germany. He was literally crossing into serbia with hundreds of syrian refugees. He was crossing live. Crossing the beertd border and he was talking to the refugees, how long have you been walking, what do you hope to do once you get to serbia. The rawness of following that stowr was really powerful. Baltimore and following the black lives matter protest. The aftermath of the earthquake in nepal. I think periscope had a really interesting perspective on that, that felt true. Rose is he going to continue to be ceo for twitter. Do you think that means anything different for twitter. I think its an incredible thing for twitter. Rose that the founder will be there. Thats a symbolic moment as well but the fact its him specifically. He has a spiritual understanding of twitter in a sense of what it is now and what it can be that no one else in the world does. I think combine that with the fact that, the moral authority of a founder, and also the fact hes such a good leader. Hes now built two incredible, two incredible companies in the world in your own right i think its just a great combination. Rose and then theres this. The fight. We spoke about that. Rose an extensive part of three minutes. Whats the rule coming out of that and what is the danger this will be an issue for you, socalled copyrighted material. I think with any new technology rose somebody at periscope the parts of the fight did they not. I guess the way i would describe it any time theres a new Technology Plat form that gets mass adoption, there will be moments of disruption that are contention. In the context of live streaming, anyone with a mobile event can live stream one of the complications is copyrighted protection. Someone taking the film out of on tv stream. Its something we think about it frankly and the reason we think about it is because we dont believe that content is compelling. I dont think its tectly interesting to have someone holding their phone and pointing at a tv stream and rebroading a bunch of content. Its the internet it happens and its always happened ever since people started. Rose i think its more compelling than you do because i think there are certain thing that people, they have the need for instant gratification, they want to see it even if the quality of distribution isnt perfect. That certain was true in the Music Industry and that pushed for evolution of the technology and accessibility of that content legitimately. I think that trend will hopefully continue in the context of video as well. Getting the content immediately, that will push rose whats going to happen. From our standpoint we need to do a few things and weve already done them. One is to have a policy saying youre not allowed to rebroadcast something that someone has copyrighted. We need teams of people to address this. Which is why every night theres an event someone may potential want to broadcast but these have not become rampant issues. We have teams and processes. Rose this is also one of the problems that youtube has. Youtube definitely had their own growing pains in this regard and theyve spent a lot of time and money on this world as well. Frankly this is one of the great things about being part of a company like twitter were not starting from scratch. We have teams of people that can help us with content moderation and process and reaching out to broadcast partners to make sure were working well with them. Rose i know youve thought about this. There are always interesting evolutions in terms of technology. Often its directed to a Consumer Market but at some point it expands into a Business Market where theres a lot more money being spent. I can imagine certain instances in which periscope could be used by Business People looking for an early start, and a message that they could all share at the same time. And its ease of access which is appealing to people. Its ease of access. Its the ability to reach a large audience and tell your story. If youre a business, i just mentioned john before we started this. He is the ceo of a Public Company. Hes one of my favorite users on periscope. What does he do. Hell take you into board meetings, hell take you on a jog through central park, hell talk about a new tmobile announcement. Hes engaging with his customers. This isnt the first time using a pla form he uses twitter and other. As ceo of a Public Company he reaches customers and say listen heres what im working on, heres what important for tmobile to do give me your feedback. Were already seeing an incredible array of cases from businesses and brands not just individuals using periscope. Rose thank you for coming. Thanks for having me. Rose pleasure having you. Appreciate it. Rose back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose Stanley Milgram was the most famous and controversial figures in psychology. He conducted experiments on obedience at Yale University 50 years ago. It was indicated that most people will not refrain from inflicting pain on others if ordered to do so. Peter sarsgaard plays Stanley Milgram. Here is the trailer for the experimenter. Rug, pillow, hair, grass. Incorrect. 165 volts. Strong shock. Let me out of here. I will not be part of the experiment anymore. Please continue. He says he doesnt want to go on. We must continue. In every case the essential are results are the same. They hesitate, sigh, tremble and groan but they switch to 450 volts because they plightly told him. Stanley milgram is an experiment. The person in the other room isnt being shocked. Let me out of here. Want to get true reactions from people. The experiments about obeying orders. He could be dead in there. Please continue. Social relations. Everything from the way people talk in elevators to the study of authority. Human beings participate in destructive inhumane act. Why is defiance the anomaly instead of the norm. Why didnt i stop. He told me to continue. Have you done it. I never did that. That really hurt. I dont like hurting anyone. Let me out. This is really big. Your fathers turning into a fictional character. Critics insist youre callous. No one was forced. Youre invested. You have authority and you love lording it over all of us. A person has a choice. If she chooses obedience. Awareness. Liberation. Life. Rose experimenter. Explain to everybody to understand what weve just seen. The idea was the person, the people who are being shocked knew they were not being shocked. Right. The person in the room the doctor is the actor. The person who knows is the person behind the machine and if the person gives the wrong answer you give them a shock. Rose and the person receiving the shock is the most painful thing theyve ever seen. It goes from mild to excess and danger. Actually, even before the experiment begins the teacher, the person who is not in on the experiment would get a sample shock. A mild shock. He would say guess how much that was. And they would guess. Rose this was controversial. It became more and more controversialal from the 50s to the 60s. To me if we had this experiment today it would be less controversial than it was then. This idea of a candid reality. The idea that even in the photography of like freedlander and stuff like that, the acting came later, the idea the camera is capturing something inside of us that were not intending is a style of acting that happened then. So i think its something from candid camera to punked weve come to accept it. Rose you come out of this you knowing what you know about it believing what . People will do whatever theyre told to do. 65 of people will not obey their own in instints about whas right and wrong and follow a benevolent leader. Rose how do you explain that. I think a lot has to do with abdicating the experiment. He filmed the experiment so i think this is one thing that made them quite interesting to people and probably quite popular, right because you could watch them. One of the things i find hopeful is that theres no one who does it without a lot of pain. These people some of them are weeping. All of them are protesting. Of them are laughing uncomfortably but all of them say things like well its your responsibility. You know because it was yale, right. It wasnt hitler, it was yale. And so this felt this is yale, this is a yale experiment, they must know whats going on. When it seems like the other person was being injured they thought well this is on you. Rose lots of people look at this and they ask themselves do we understand how people followed orders, as you suggested. Among the nazis. Absolutely. Its no accident that Stanley Milgram was a jew in the bronx, grew up in the 40s in the strongs and went to the same high school who did the stanford experiments. They were the same year, i believe. So this idea of trying to understand this thing that was not understandable, was certainly in the air. Rose what did you do about playing him. For me as an actor, im always, im questioning the nature of reality. What is the truth of whats going on in any given moment. Something ive always been interested in as a kid whats the reality of this moment, you know. Its like whenever you walk out on stage and youre scared any good acting teacher says look at the reality, look at the room, look at the people, look at your hands, feel everything thats reality and it will ground you. There are several realities going on in this specific experiment. You have the person who thinks theyre electrocuting someone else. Thats their reality true to them. The other actor in the room is another realitiment Stanley Milgram on the other side of a two way mirror is another reality. Its look a box of mirrors. You play with whats fake. Certainly there are elements in the film that are less convincing than others in terms of the candid reality were used to in other kinds of film making. When my beard is first introduced into the film, there was a particular kind of beard like Abraham Lincoln without the must stash. You see an impurse narrator with that beard. Im doing a pretend accent. So were playing with this idea of what is true, what is the reality if its not candid reality, is it still valid. Rose it sales to me in art, not only about somehow finding truth but what is truth. What is truth. And is candid truth the truth . I mean thats certainly the order of the day and most acting that we consider good acting. We think like does it feel like its actually happening in the way we all know, that kind of familiar painting. But to me its not the only one. Rose how did you prepare for this. Well, for about rose you read everything. Yeah. I never consider it that important to sort of learn every nook and cranny of the real persons life when im going to play them because theres some idea that we have a common truth that my experiences and my life are going to overlap with the characters real experiences and its hopeless to try to be them. That said for about two years before we started making this michael just gave me too much information. You know but its interesting, i dont all get interested. Sometimes like with the film i have out now black mass where i play a small role in it, a real guy. With that i just took a picture of him and i looked at the picture and i day dreamed about him. I really didnt get into the specifics of the real person. Rose you needed to know as well. Yes. I mean actually with this, stanley had sasha his wife who was really helpful in term of doing this and we met with her a number of time. She gave me a self portrait he had done. And hes wearing mirrored sunglasses and hes got the beard. You dont actually learn anything deep about the person from looking at this picture. But that says Something Interesting about him. Rose take a look at this. This is a clip showing stanley meeting his wife alexandria played by wynona rider. Here it is. Are we going to the party. Probably. Should we continue talking. Rose what a writer. Yes. Its like someone who is so difficult to play someone who is so dispassionate. One of the things i really gleaned in a lot of research talking to his brother and talking to sasha is playing this idea of someone who is always watching, everything is about other people. As an actor youre used to playing people everything is about them. To be a scientist to not judge the results or become emotionally involved in them. Rose thats being enormously absolutely put the attention out. Rose theres a relationship between what milgram did and what happened at the stanford project. Yes, definitely. Well in that experiment, you start acting like the jailer, pretending youre a jailer and assume all the qualities of one who is jailed. But you know, i think one of the reasons these things are particularly cinematic is they have a lot to do with acting to me. You know, i used to say to people that you know do you bring your work hemowith hoe with you, and im set and if i do this all day long, eventually ill be upset. Its the way the body goes with the emotions. You me tend to do something, even if youre doing it from an outside end place to me it doesnt matter. The body teaches the heart sometimes. The outside will affect the inside. Rose you just completed, what are you doing with hamlet. With can hamlet in the beginning of june and then magnificent seven. Rose magnificent seven. Yes. Im in the magnificent seven remake. Rose who else in is in it. Deny sult washington, ethan pratt. Rose is that one of the characters we got to know. Im the bad guy. Ely wallachs part. Rose every actor approaches it with great trepidation, with great willingness and everybody believes its something that has to be part of their own acting. Most of them do. Some avoid it. They dont want to do any shakespeare. Tell me how you approached it because people also tell me, ive had lots of actors come to this table, that they dont, it never leaves them. Thats true. Rose youre almost processive and protective. You are definitely possessive of it and its difficult to watch other hamlets i think after youve done it. Don rickman as he would play claudius. Its like i played him but i dont know if i want to sit there and watch you do it every night. Rose why is that . Its because its a daply personal part. I think the thing that keeps people thinking about it is because its impact to stick the landing. Youre never going to do it until, i did it. I approach that part by i guess a year andahalf out i decided to do it. I asked someone that ive worked with a number of times. My mentor penny alan who is the best acting coach in cinema today and probably worked with half the guests youve had on here. A real hidden talent. Had not acted in many years on stage. And she wanted to play gertrude and she played gertrude opposite my hamlet and that was a large part why i initially got involved. I read the play every day for a year. A little piece of it for about an hour andahalf. Kind of moved through it sequentially. Rose it didnt take a year andahalf to do that did it. No but what i would do is take a little piece of it. For an hour andahalf each day i would go through that little piece, think about it. Then i would move on to a little piece and maybe every month id read through the whole thing. Just to become because its all about the word, you know. Its all in the language. And so thats what youre minding the entire time. And i think im going to do it again. Rose this was a modern adaptation. It was, yeah. I mean, its hard to say. It felt like it was in the mind. Felt like to me the play felt like it takes place in the unconscious mind. You know, when i look at the plight i look at someone who is being gas lighted, this is somebody who people are going like charlie, are you okay . Are you sure youre okay . And then he reacts by going does that cloud look like a camel . Oh yeah. Does it look like a weasel. Oh yeah. If you have the whole world not reflecting the truth back to you end up being one of the people. You cant see what reality is. And thats very interesting as an actor. Rose speaking of that, does it change your view of anything other than what shakespeare had in mind. You mean the relationship in the nature of the play. Rose the character. Yeah. I actually finished the play wanting to play horatio. When i finished the may i went like right im getting a beat on hamlet but what is up with this friend who doesnt say hey look, you killed your girlfriends father, your two childhood friends, maybe we shouldnt go back home quite yet. And all of this stuff at the cemetery, im worried about you. He doesnt say that. To me a lot of the time im attracted to characters because i dont have an answer. If i feel stumped, i will want to do the part. And i think thats the way a lot of people feel doing hamlet. Its like i dont understand. I have to try to understand by doing it. Rose you mentioned an acting coach. Whats her name. Penny alan. The thing is the way that she works is never like this is what the scenes about. All the ideas feel like they come from you. Sometime its music. Sometimes its a poem. A lot of time as an actor because you work by yourself before a project starts youre kind of by yourself. Its difficult to be one, be disciplined about doing it because were an undisciplined life people. The other thing is to have someone like i was telling you like bounce back mirror mirror. And i feel like thats a lot of what she does is just have that conversation with you. Rose thank you peter. Great to see you. Absolutely. Rose the film is experimenter. It opens on friday, october 16th. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org announcer this is nightly Business Report, with Tyler Mathisen and sue herera. Strong quarter. What shares of General Electric did today that they havent done in years. Move or improve. Why homeowners are choosing to put a lot more money into their current home. And buy and hold. The stocks our market monitor says should be in your portfolio for a year or more. All that and more tonight on nightly Business Report for friday october 16th. 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