Evening with Cynthia Nixon, she is directing not starring, in the play rashida speaking. Its hard to get rid of people today with all the tricks that Human Resources could pull out of their hat and superficial laws about harrisment and with all that resentment she has inside of her, a lot of tricks pulled from that particular hat. The race card you mean. You dont have to say that. Ooh, okay you understand . I guess my mother thought she was training me to be an actress but i think she was likely at her heart a director because she taught me to see the whole picture. I think once youve had so many years as an actress as i have you get to see it from the inside which is useful. Rose Tshering Tobgay and Cynthia Nixon when we continue. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose Tshering Tobgay is here, the Prime Minister of bhutan. He is the second person to hold the post since 2008. He led bhutans first Opposition Party before elected in 2013, now working to steer his country through its transition to democracy. The himalayan kingdom is praised worldwise for measuring success according to Gross National happiness rather than Gross Domestic Product. Its also one to have the leading countries in environmental conservation. Its constitutional mandates of 60 of National Forests be protected in perpetuity as bhutan seeks to modernize its government, it is being challenged to find a balance of pursuit of happiness and Economic Growth. Im pleased to have Tshering Tobgay at the table and we agreed the next time would be in bhutan. So welcome. Thank you charlie. Rose bhutan, for many it has the image of the himalayas, china india, and for some a kind of a shang ray la, but its much different than that. It is kind of a shangrila9÷mkdvym tju those who havent been there because its in the mountains, tucked away in the himalayas. Were not just one big monastery. Were not all monks. We are a people. All of the countries in the himalayas the beauty of our country is it rises very quickly from about 100 meters above sea level all the way to 7,500 meters above sea level in a very short span of time. Rose population of about 750,000. Thats about eight football stadiums. So its not much. But its spread throughout the country, and our country is divided by very tall mountains, narrow valleys. So we do have problems getting from place to place. The country itself is about 30,000 kilometers, a little bigger than maryland. Rose most of the people are buddhists . Most are buddhists and it is the state religion and we are the last surviving mahiana buddhist country in the world. There are many kingdoms along the himalayas, million practicing mahiana or tibetan buddhism and we are the last surviving nation whose state religion is mamiana buddhism. Feudal till about 1933. And then the third king abolished the system. Rose first roads in 62. Yes, in 61, we started constructing our first road about three years before i was born. Charlie my mother worked on this road. The entire country had to come together because now we have 750,000 people, so, at that time, we must have had about 600,000 people 500,000 people, and our entire population had to come and work on the road so my mother was one of them. As most of our parents. Rose your dad was a soldier. Yes. Rose but you were educated in the united states. I was educated in india first, then i did my high school in bhutan, won a scholarship to study engineering in america. I wrote to the best ten colleges, ten engineering colleges and i wrote to the university of pittsburgh because, at that Time Pittsburgh was voted the most livable city by thyme time magazine. Rose city of three rivers. A beautiful city. I returned much later to cambridge massachusetts. Rose to get your masters. Yes. Rose then you went back. I went back after my college, my engineering degree, i studied mechanical engineering. Most bhutanese, in fact almost all of us after college, regardless of where we studied weve always gone back. I joined the Civil Service. Rose working in education . Working in education, focusing on vocational training. Then i got a degree in public administration. Rose then you felt the lure of politics. I didnt feel the lure of politics. Nobody in bhutan felt the lure of politics laughter you mentioned, charlie, we are in transition. We are not in transition. We are full democracy with democratic institutions. We are a vibrant democracy. The transition took place in the 30 years leading up to 2008 when democracy was established. Rose how was that . Our fourth king very gradually he was training us in the principles of democracy, in the principles of governance and he devolved power and authority from the throne to the people step by step gradually and it was only till sometime in 2005 we heard about democracy 2006 we knew he was serious. Bibi 2006 the fourth king abdicated in favor of his son who is the king now. Rose the fifth king. And the entire country was unhappy. Rose so why did he do this . Who educated him . Who informed him . Who influenced him to create a Constitutional Monarchy . Well rose this is the fourth king. What he told the people repeatedly is that no one person can be guaranteed to be good for the country and, for the longterm interest of the country and the people, we have to accept democracy. We really didnt want democracy. I didnt want democracy. Our country was doing very well. We had social progress, inc. Mental, very incremental, very gradual, deliberate growth, our culture was vibrant. We had opportunities to take part in the decisionmaking process. We had the rule of law. Everything was very optimistic we were all very hopeful, but he insisted we had to have democracy but the people were really against the idea. He said, look, im serious, we have to have democracy and for those of you who feel that you can serve in this capacity, please step forward and that was when, in fact, it was february 2007 i resigned from my job in the Civil Service and entered politics not because i felt the draw of poll six but i felt a politics but i felt a sense of service. Rose so you went from being a Civil Servant. Yes. Rose to being a political player. Well, it was a transition from being a Civil Servant to being somebody who is absolutely lost. We have no idea of the politics who incidentally had been in harvard before but studying public administration. Studied negotiations and economics and all that. I didnt it didnt occur to me that i should study fundraising and Campaign Organization and management and Political Party organization. So there were many months i was absolutely clueless on how to go about my job and that showed in the election. Rose how many members in the Opposition Party . We got a whallopping five. laughter so the National Assembly has 47 members and we ended up with two. Rose then in the next election . I was made Opposition Leader by my party. I think because i joined the party first, i had my colleague so we spent five years in opposition and the ruling party had 45 members. Rose well talk about the 2013 election more. Tell me more about the royal family. Its pronounced is it wunchuks phonetic . Yes. Rose the sister of the president came, she went to stanford, then i think harvard. Yes. Rose a lot of people have gone and gotten western educations and come back whether the royal family or people like you, true . Yes. Rose and they come back because they love the place. Well, we love our country. We love our royal family. I think many of us know about the sacrifices that our parents have made for our country, and all of us are very aware of the sacrifices that our kings have made for our country. Our kings by the way, dont have any property. They have dedicated their lives for the service of the country and the people. Our fourth king became king when he was 16 in 1972. He inherited a country that was impoverished and helped to develop the people, obviously, he wanted to have an economy going again obviously. But he refused to compromise the integrity of our environment and he refused to cut the forest or mine minerals. Rose 70 of the country is forest. 71. Rose 71 . 71pointsomething. Rose i actually read 72 but i was rounding it off. It has to be more than 65 . The constitution requires 60 forest, we have 72 . Rose so you have clean air. 72 of our land is forest and is pristine forest. A lot of it is pristine. More importantly much of the forest, in fact all of it, ranges quickly from dense hot, humid, subtropical jungles through cool, temperate forests all the way to alpine forests and pastures, and all this happens within a very short distance as the crow flies 25 kilometers as the crow flies, 30. And yes, we have very clean air. Rose well talk about that too, because conservation is a very important part of what you believe in and well talk about that and how you do that. Things are changing there. The Gross Domestic Product is a bit more than a billion dollars . A billion point seven. Rose almost 2 billion. 1. 7 billion. Rose and the principle industry is hydroelectric power . Yes and subsistence farming. About 500 billionaires in america, i read recently. Rose and your Gross Domestic Product is 1. 7 billion. But we dont feel poor. Rose because . Because all our children are given Free Education. Free primary free secondary education. Rose free healthcare. Good colleges and those who make it to college are given free college education. They have to work hard. We have free healthcare free medicine, free consultations. Economically, yeah, i mean, we can do more but so far so good. However, we have increasing unemployment now. Rose you talk about unemployment. You talk about the debt. You talk about corruption. I mean, so you have modern problems. Yes. Its not shangrila. Rose its not shangrila. Yes. Rose but when you campaign i mean, you made small promises clear promises. Rose clear small promises. Yes. Rose and you basically said to them, as i understand it, yes, gross happiness is a good idea Gross National happiness is a good idea snoop and thats the standard and says something about our culture, but we also have to be very real, we have to look at our problems work hard and we have to create a place where others want to come and invest in for our own economic future. Yes. Gross National Happiness is a Development Philosophy articulated by our kings. Rose right. Will have to, our fourth king has said Gross National happiness is more important than Gross National product, what you said during introduction. Our current king said Gross National happiness is development of values. Gross national happen necessary is carefully balancing material growth, which is very important, Economic Growth, which is important, this is important but balancing Economic Growth with inclusiveness, social progress, with culture, with preservation of environment all within the framework of good governance, that takes hard work. Rose globalization is a good thing for bhutan . Necessary. Rose sessional . Essential. And if used well, good. Rose so how will you change your country . How will i change my country . Charlie, my job is to serve my country, it is not to change it. Rose well, if you have problems, like unemployment. Problems like corruption. If you have problems like the rupi shortage. Your job is to change corruption, change poverty, change lets get things in perspective. We have unemployment problems but our Unemployment Rate is 2. 6 . Rose and here its 5 to 6 . Our problem is youth unemployment which is about 9. 6 . Youth unemployment. So we need to create jobs we need to have industries, we need to have investment to create jobs for them. So while this is a problem, i acknowledge it as a problem and i dont want to see a single bhutanese boy or girl unemployed, but we also have to be deliberate in the type of industries we create, the type of jobs that we create. Corruption is not a problem more than it is a risk. Rose so youre saying its not that its there, its that it could be there. It is there but not at levels that most people are most people experience. In International Corruption index, perception index, we rank number 30, which is we can do better than that yeah . We should climb up the ladder. But it isnt really a problem. It is potentially a problem. A problem that will keep the pouri Nour Mohammadi and perpetuate a growing gap between the income. Rose where are you on the perception of happiness . Im not sure how bhutan is measured. In fact, bhutan is not measured internationally in happiness. We have done our own surveys. In 2010 we surveyed Something Like 7,500 people and did a very very comprehensive survey. Rose what did you find . Zero to one scale, one being very happy we ranked ourselves. 743. So not too bad. Rose but you were saying to the people of bhutan, we have to work hard. Yes. Rose and to say that to them, you must be suggesting they have not worked hard enough and they may have become complacent. Yes, we cant take things for granted. Our economy is small but we have been given Everything Health education, infrastructure, social security, our culture, our environment, and you mentioned conservation, which is very important. We have to work to keep we have to work hard to ensure that our culture is vibrant. We have to work hard to ensure that our environment is protected. But most importantly, we have to work hard to ensure that our future generations also enjoy Free Education and free healthcare and that we have an economy that can support all this. Rose yearold where would you like to see your country in ten years . Selfreliant, economically selfreliant but selfreliant in a manner that our economy is green and sustainable. Rose youre Carbon Neutral now . Oh, were carbon negative. Rose carbon negative yes laughter from estimates we sequester 3 million tons of carbon a year and generate only 1. 5 million tons of carbon a year. And the carbon we generate is from farming most of it is from agriculture, farming and livestock. Rose thats where you generate the carbon. Yeah, most of it. Rose what can you do about the poverty . Create jobs. Most of our poverty is in the rural areas. So improve agriculture. Improving agriculture and productivity. Were trying to promote natural farming, promote organic farming so our farmers can get more money, improve their income. In the urban areas, our young boys and girls who have completed schools and colleges, we have to get them good jobs. Rose what is the program you have with the Worldwide Life Fund . Called bhutan for life. Rose whats that . 72 of our country, as you know is under forest cover. The constitution requires 60 . We declare we will be Carbon Neutral for all time to come. More than half our country, 51 of our country is protected as national parks, wildlife sanctuaries, nature reserves and we have ten of these protected areas, but the beauty of bhutan is that all these protected areas are interconnected with biological corridors. Rose biological corridors. Yes. Rose whats that . Undisturbed tracts of land where animals and birds can migrate and go from park to park rather than being isolated in one particular area. So when we say more than half our country is protected, it means animals can traverse the entire length and breadth of our country. Tigers for instance, have been spotted at 100 meters above sea level in the south in the jungles, and tigers have been spotted at 4,000 4,200 meters above sea level. Rose what kind of tigers . Oyal bengal tigers. And our camera traps have spotted tigers with cubs. Rose wow. So now we need to protect all this. Rose by forestation . We have 700 species of birds in our country, in the small country and the white bell bellied herron theres only about 150 in the world. In bhutan weve counted every one and there are only 29. So we have to protect our ecological system. Its very rich in biodiversity and it is pristine. We have to protect it. The government spends about 3 million per year for Park Management but thats not enough. Rose your argument is this ought to be an attractive thing to create, to have a world like this thats green and that has these advantages for business to come to. Its not for business. Thats the bonus. Our kings have given us a very rich environment. We have to enjoy this environment and we must do our part to nurture it and hand it over to the future generations, not just for our future generations but for the world. This is a natural asset, a Natural Resource that belongs to the world. Now, we have competing demands. We mentioned employment, economy, schools, hospitals, and the government is spending about 3 million a year to manage the parks. We need more. We need Something Like 10 million. We know that in about five years revenues from other parts of the economy hydropower, especially, well be able to raise en ugh revenue to finance the whole management of our parks. So we need a Transition Fund and bhutan for life is a Transition Fund creates a transition. Raising money with w. W. F. To allow us access to funds to spend during the first few years in addition to the 3 million that we have committed, were already spending and as the Transition Fund, as we deplete the Transition Fund, as we invest it complete its investment. The bhutanese government will complete our investment and eventually well take over. This is a project finance a classic financing model but project phi nance. Rose lets talk about your relationship with other countries. The first visit that Prime Minister modi made the Prime Minister of india, was to you your country. Barely three weeks after swearing in. Rose and independence indiscernibleia has given funds to support hydroelectropower . What are the benefits . India is our neighbor and we are extremely close. Our friendship is based on good will, trust, understanding, very good cooperation. Our relation with india transcends political parties. It was the architecture of our friendship is our leaders and our kings. They have been very generous so a lot of our development, they provide a lot of Development Assistance and a economically they are the Main Investors in the hydropower projects. We have a role model relationship politically but in terms of Economic Cooperation the center piece is hydropower so we Work Together to build the hydropower stations. Its somewhat the cleanest. India buys all our excess power. Rose what about china . China is our neighbor. We have good relations with china. Rose but not as good as you do with india . Not as deep. We have a 420kilometer border that has not yet been finalized with china. Rose you have some disputes there, dont you . Well, we are discussing the border and we need to finalize the border. Rose hows that going . Weve had 22 rounds of discussions and i think they were serious discussions. Rose does bhutan because of the royal family as well as you receive your education here in part, do you feel its kinship with america . Oh yes. Yes. Rose whats the relationship like . From hot dogs through baseball and football to friends and people like you. Ive seen so many of your shows. Rose thank you. Many of my professors, many of my some of my best friends are from america. Rose most Prime Ministers who come here continue challenge the president to play basketball, you know that, dont you . laughter when hes bigger than you are. He hasnt taken up my challenge laughter i must clarify. Rose which part . The basketball part. Rose you didnt challenge him. You said youd like to play with him oneonone. I didnt play a lot of sports when i was at school. I did play a little basketball and i enjoy basketball. I like the n. B. A. Rose how long will you be the Prime Minister . I have three and a half years to go. Rose is that it . Mmhmm. Rose so youre not going to run. Is there a term limit on being Prime Minister. Only can be Prime Minister for two terms, but you have to run. Rose you ran in 2013 so this will run through is it four or five years . Five years. Rose through 2018 and you run for reelection and that will be another five years so its 2023. Mmhmm. Rose right . So you will run for another term. Do you love it . I will campaign. Rose hope to get elected. Yes. Rose how many people do i love it . Service is a fantastic thing. Its a fantastic job. Rose does that come from your religion . Does it come from your parents . Does it come from the culture . I think it comes from the culture. It comes from our religion, our community but most importantly it comes from our kings. Rose really . Mmhmm. This is why most of us wear our badge for kings and i wear it as a reminder. Rose people in bhutan love their kings. We love our kings. I wear this as a reminder. Every decision i make, i ask myself is this the best decision . All my decisions cant be correct. I ask myself, is it the best decision for my country and my people . Rose and will my king admire what i do . Hes like a conscience. Rose hes a conscience. Yeah. Rose and the princess is also involved. Shes involved at the Royal Institute of legality or something. Law. Rose law. Mmhmm. Rose what do you hope to accomplish on this visit . My priority, i have been preoccupied by many things stabilizing the economy looking at how we can deepen the economy, strengthen the economy, looking at how we can structure the Civil Service so that we can get more done. I just spent two weeks, a grueling two weeks working on performance agreements with our Civil Servants, delivering on our promises that we made during the campaign, and the danger is that conservation of our environment may be left out. So i blocked two weeks just to focus on conservation and bhutan for life and how to look after our protected areas that is more than half our country. Rose so you can have industrialization to whatever level possible and not do injure or violence to not do injury or violence to the environment. Yes, but we do not need to have industrialization that even harms. You can have industrialization that is good. Hydropower, for instance is not just good in bhutan but the power we export to neighboring india would replace otherwise dirty fuel. I have been promoting something called green data. Rose whats green data. Data centers that run on green energy and this is a big possibility in bhutan. Rose how is the internet so just an example that all industries dont have to pollute. Rose how has the internet and technology which came late in like, late 1999 or Something Like that, how has that changed bhutan . Because you didnt have television until well i tell you how it changed bhutan. Rose the same decade. Television and the internet in the same decade. Charlie you mentioned that after the first elections there were just two of us in opposition. Rose yes. Actually, there were more than two because i used technology to its maximum. I blogged i had a twitter account, facebook and that became my principle platform to reach to the people. So technology has allowed us to leapfrog generations. But, of course, weve got to use it responsibly. Rose buddhism is a very kind and loving religion. Supposed to be. Rose some say that bhutan becomes more competitive and will it have some impact on this sort of great religious you can be competitive and compassionate together. If the competition is between the two of us rose dog eat dog or whatever i suppose its not good. But if the competition is with myself, if i raise the bar myself, thats good, right . Rose yes. Ive heard you were a very good bicyclist and ive read a story how you were injured and in intense pain and finished the race. Im not good, im stupid. Theres a difference. laughter theres a race that goes across our country, 268 kilometers, over four passes. All the passes are above 3,200 meters above sea level. The final pass you climb from about 1,000 meters in one go all the way up to 3,200 kilometers. I fell off my bike and broke my jaw literally. Literally, and somehow the stupidity in me rose you continued. I continued and i completed the race. Rose its an honor and pleasure to have you here. Charlie, ive had a very good time. Eth an honor to meet its an honor to meet you. Rose thank you. Cynthia nixon is here, an emmy award, tony award and grammy award atore, best norfor playing miranda in sex and the city. She just completed her play rasheeda speaking. Welcome. Thanks so much. Rose you like the directing because of its control and you know, soy started out rose youre the boss. I started acting when i was 11 and i didnt go to acting school except for my mom. My mom was a teacher because she had been an actress. My mom was my teacher, my mom my director and i enjoyed that relationship so much and its sort of like you enjoy being on one end of the equation and you do it for a long time. I have been doing it for a bunch of decades. Rose and youre a better director because youve acted with im a better director and also i think my mother thought she was training me to be an actress but i think she was at her heart a director because she taught me to see the whole picture and i think once youve had some years asen actress as i have you get to see it from the inside and its useful when you pull yourself back and see it as a director. Rose so youre actor and director. Not both. Rose i read a wonderful story, noticing you had some attributes as a director when you were right. So Scott Elliott who runs the new group where this plays on, i was doing a benefit reading for him maybe three years ago or something now and i guess i had a lot of opinions about well youre going to ask us to do that well were going to stand here, you know, a lot of opinions. Rose sure. And he shadeo the group well i guess you will be directing next years benefit reading because youre directing this one now already, and we all laughed. We thought it was very funny. But then he called me up six months later and said so what are you going to do for next years benefit reading. I said i thought that was a joke. He said, it was a joke, but i was serious, too. So i did that for him. He said you did a great job with that im going to give you a slot in my season. Hes an been an credible advisor, mentor, friend and has helped me every step of the way. Rose tell me about rasheeda speaking. Its a fourcharacter play takes place in a very tense hour and 35 minutes and its about a Surgeons Office and primarily about two women who work there. One is black, one is white and theyre friends. And the play rose they have different experiences and different responses. Right, but also the thing that happens at the very beginning of the play is the doctor says i dont want jacqueline, who is the africanamerican woman, to work here anymore ive got to get rid of her and you have to help me take notes about her behavior and compile a case. She thinks shes stuck between a rock and hard place and thinks she can work it. Her selfinterest and her boss wants to do it and jacqueline catches on and the two women step by step we see theyre really sweet, they have tremendous chemistry together just devolve quickly till theyre at war with each other. Rose the interesting thing for a firsttime director, its one place, one set. Yeah, and i think thats one of the thing that Scott Elliott said, its deeply psychologically complex. The tone is constantly shifting, very shock at times, very funny at times sometimes minutely wildly realistic and other times it sets off into something of a fantasy world. Rose are there there every night . No, i am not. Im at home with my children, not there every night. Thats one of the good things about being a director. Rose you have to check back . You check back in but these women tonya and diane, these are extraordinary talents. Rose did you get them to come . I did. Rose im sure you did. And, you know, what the main thing you want to do once youve got a form to it is you want to let them live and breathe and help them, you know, just set them free to find their way because the way in which they can deepen it between themselves and themselves and their characters, you know, is nothing you could ever impose. You just have to let them live it. Rose we have a couple of clips. Take the first clip. This is when jacqueline asked eileen if she is threat ming her job. Now you. What . You swear on the bible . Dont believe in the power of the bible . Thats not the point. Well, i have a whole set of questions for you. Really . Yes maam. Well, im not swearing on the bible. What questions . I want to know whether you believe me or not. I told you. Want to know what you and the doctor were talking about in the early morning. I told you, work stuff want to know whether youre threatening my job. Im not heres the bible. I dont do that. You got something to hide . I dont rose now, does race come into this early or later . Race comes in, in the first few minutes when we have the doctor who is white and eileen who diane weis plays. Theyre talking about an employ and you dont know much about that person until the rates card. Rose the race cards played. Until eileen says, oh, youre worried hes going to play the race card and he says, we dont talk about that. So if youve seen the poster an know Tonya Pinkens is in the play you know shes the person spoken about. Rose take a look. Its hard to get rid of people today with all the tricks Human Resources can pull out of their hat and those superficial laws about harassment and with all that resentment she has built up inside of her wow going to be a lot of tricks pulled from that particular hat. The race card, you mean. Youre not to say that. Ooh, okay. Do you understand . laughter i guess. We dont go there okay. Yes. Thats not what im about. Oh i know that not that there isnt cause. Rose tell me about the two characters. So, i mean i think one of the important things about this play is its about unconscious racism unconscious bias. Rose and Office Politics. And Office Politics and massagemisogyny and ageism and a whole set of prejudices that we have and i think that eileen, the character that diane weis plays, she doesnt think shes capable of being racist and as evidenced by the fact that she has this really wonderful black friend who she loves and adores and who loves and adores her back, but i think when, you know, selfinterest is a powerful force and when eileen is forced to choose between her friend and her job she chooses her job. Yeah. Rose surprise, surprise. Yeah. Rose this is at the signature center. Its a new group at the signature theater. Rose how big is the theater . 199 seats. Rose there are lots of theaters around new york. Yeah. Rose and most people dont know about them. I suppose. Rose but new yorkers know. New yorkers know. Ive acted there in 2006, its an extraordinary theater. We celebrated last night we had a party celebrating the 20th anniversary of the theater and i think the rasheeda speaking is really emblematic of the stuff they do. Its not safe its not politically correct its shocking, it has you on the edge of your seat. You get out of there and you want to discuss it because one of the beautiful things about the play and the production is its not like this is a good person, this is a bad person, you know. You keep shifting whatever color you are, you keep shifting, oh well, im on her side, well im on her side, well, im on his side well, now im on her side. Was that right . Was that justified well . That person wasnt speaking telling the truth right then do i think its justified. Would i have done that . Well, i dont know if i would have dope that in that situation but i guess i see why that person did. You were on broadway when you were 14 . I was. Rose how did you get that job . I auditioned for that job. I had already been acting in film and television for about two years starting when i was 11 and 12 but then i auditioned for the play and loved the old movie with Katharine Hepburn and Jimmy Stewart so it was a real thrill for me. Rose how often did you work with mike nichols . I worked with him twice in my career but our paths would cross and one time he was a really fun thing he had me do he directed the film primary colors, but he actually had me for whatever reason read with the young men who were auditioning. I des he wanted a girl to read with them so he thought of me. Rose but wasnt there something about you working in the theater and going back and forth and m3ke got involved in that. He cast me in both of those. He cast me in toms play when i was 17. We took it to boston big hit, brought it into new york, on broadway, big hit. Then pulled me out of that to be in hurley burly p we took it to chicago, big mitt off broadway big hit. Moved it to broadway, big hit. The woman who had taken over for me in the first play the real thing, she had to leave. Her replacement they werent happy with. By happenstance mike also produced Whoopi Goldbergs show and no one heard of her and he brought her to their attention and he said come out with the hurley burly cast. Theyre fun. It was right at this time. So i sidled up to him at the aftertheater dinner and said i hear youre looking for somebody to replace the character in the real thing, i could do both of those parts, as we always joked there had always been a joked between he and i that i could and he said ill call your agent in the morning. Rose how did you do this . There were two blocks apart and hurley burly was a very long play and the character in the real thing was only in the second act and only one scene so i was in the first act of hurley burly, changed my clothes, went two blocks down, in the second act of the real thing took my curtain call, changed clothes, went back to the first play again, i was in the last scene of hurley burly which is like 11 00 at night, took the curtain call and was in two different broadway those in two different theaters. Rose anyone else ever done that . I dont think so. Theres now an equity rule against it. Rose at the time you had to get the approval of the union. Yes. They had to hire two understudies but theres a recall now against it, you can no longer against it. I just did the real thing this fall as an actor. Rose yeah. So i played jeremy irans daughter. I played my characters mother apart a part previously done by christine branski. Rose time tom stoppered is a genius with words. Is it easy . Whats interesting to us working on the real thing at this time sam gould who directed it, he said, you know i thought, being an american cast we would have to focus more on the language. You are all stage people and have no problem with the language but i want to make sure everything is painful and grounded. I can leave you alone on the language but i want to make sure everything youre saying and going through really costs you. Rose do you think of yourself as a stage person or actor . I think of myself as a stage person. Rose do you . I totally do. Even though i got my start in film and tv. Rose is the stage good to you. Yes. Rose because youve had one role after another. When i was in sex and the city, you know people started casting me in leads on stage and rose different roles some. On broadway. Well, no, its a matter of bringing people in. When more people know who you are the more they come to the theater so theyve an incentive to mutt p you to above the title. I got cast in a terrific movie on television and i said to the guy this is a perfect part for me but i dont know how you would ever know that. I was playing a woman from the ozarks and my family is from the ozarks and everybody thinks of me as a new yorker. He said i love your acting for years and he said they give me a list of people with that much notoriety and you had never been on the list before. If you had been on the list i would have put you in things but you never did. Thats what sex and the city did for me. Rose do you work all the time . No, i dont work all the time. Recently a couple of years ago i had a period where i was not working much. It coincided with a lot of things happening in my life. My mother was very ill. We moved, we got married my wife and i, so it was sort of good timing in terms of on the personal side but also i had just done wit, shaved my head and maybe that had something to do with finding a part with me although what can you do with your hair so short. Rose youre Close Friends with mayor deblasio . Yes. Back to when he was a public advocate on the city council. He was always such a staunch ally for us in the Public Schools. Rose you campaigned hard for him. Yes. Rose how the he doing . I think hes doing amazingly. I mean he is just he is what i knew he would be. He is a big, bold progressive and he has an incredible an incredibly ambitious aagenda. When i look at things hes done in such a short time, make my head spin. The idea in one year we go from having, you know, fullday public prek and afterschool for any kid who want it. I think also 200,000 units of preserved or built Affordable Housing that will have maybe even a greater impact on the city. Rose you said progressive rather than liberal. Is there any reason you said that . I think its generational. He is a liberal, you know. Rose but everybody today says everybody today says progressive. I think, right, i think that liberal got tainted with well you say one thing but maybe its maybe its more of a pose but i think progressive implies progressive in every sense in that liberal has a rich person taint to it whereas progressive is like everybody in every class. Rose a rich liberal. The liberal with the limousine. Rose but that was kind of a notion of contempt, i i thought. Thats what im saying. You know, there was an old song, love me, love me, love me, im a liberal. Meaning i say these things out of one side of my mouth. Not really, whereas i think Progressive Movement we understand, you know. Its not a pose. It comes from, you know i care about the Public Schools because my kids are in the Public Schools. Its a Movement Made up of people who these policies directly affect. Rose this is a good time for you in your life . It is an amazing time. Yeah. My mom died, you know, in 2013, and that was very painful and you know, it takes you a while to come out of that. We were so close. And im sorry she didnt get to see this chapter in my life. I think she would have been so thrilled to see my directing and, you know and for me, you know the older i get, im going to be 50 next year and, i dont know, there is something about sort of telling stories of women over 40 that i think is just i think these stories are so ripe to be told. Rose i do, too. And i think, you know i look at tanya and diane and i think these are extraordinary performers and they deserve extraordinary roles as they have. Rose absolutely. And, you know, in the early parts of your life, that experience of being a child or being an adolescent or being a young adult, you know, its so chronicled, and then its sort of like you get to the age where you can get married and have kids and the stories sort of fall all off the table, and its, like people are you know the older people get the more interesting they get i think. Rose i certainly hope so. I think so. I think so. I think we need to hear about what its like to be in your if i havecies or in your 50s or if i have in your 50s 60s or 70s. Rose you have more experience, experienced more highs and lotion and lows and challenges. And put it in perspective. Rose what about film . I dont think so. Rose its a tougher job. Its a much the tougher job. Im interested in acting and theater and i feel like i dwell in that world and i feel like the world of film and cameras and lighting and that kind of thing. I mean maybe in ten years, ill Say Something different to you, but right now i feel good in the rehearsal room with a bunch of actors and tables and props and i even feel im starting to feel okay being in a theater, you know with a Lighting Design snore what did you learn from rose what did you learn from mike . I learned from him about the importance of polishing every moment. Youre not going to work it to death, but that every moment needs your attention. Rose ive had the good fortune in my life to go to a range of events and to sit with people who are very good at the thing were watching, you know, whether it was a former super bowl coach watching a super bowl or watching baseball with a Major League Manager joe torre in this case. What i would have loved to have done is gone to the theater with mike and be in a place where we can talked when we were watching so he could explain the damn thing to me in a very interesting way of how he saw it through the prism of an extraordinary director. A million things about mike nichols, but the way he could boil something down to its essence. Rose yeah. I remember i had done two readings of the sea gull and one of the readings someone was talking about the scenes and it was very highfalutin, and he saidhouse the story of children of rich successful artists and how intimidated they are. Many treegd he said, there was meryl streep and Carolyn Kline and they are rich successful artists and they have children and immediately he knew what he meant. Its not about art. Its something about very basic. Its about when youre a giant, how do your children deal with that . Rose we remember him well. I saw diane. She looks great, too. Yeah. Rose ongratulations. Thank you. Rose for more about this program and earlier episodes, visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the Coca Cola Company sponsoring this Program Since 2002. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. This is nightly Business Report with Tyler Mathisen and sue herera. Some being patient . The Federal Reserveby gins byegins its twoday policy meeting. Will the fed raise rates and for how much and for how long . Many blame the Winter Weather for poor Housing Starts but is there something bigger at play . Oracle becomes the latest company to see its profits hit by a stronger dollar. All that and more tonight on nightly Business Report on st. Patricks day. Tuesday, march 17th. Good evening, everyone. And welcome. 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