Transcripts For KQED Charlie Rose 20150310

It actually came out in the world, it was so twisted. S and i think he keeps looking around going what did i say, im speaking the truth. And i was really interested in that tight rope of someone who looks like theyre doing a lot of things which is im going to line you out because im mad at you for 20 years ago. Im going to line out the Police Officers, im going to reach for help and really all these shooing is one thing which is getting justice for her son. Rose we conclude with tony robbins about his new book money, master the game and his life coach. Increase the quality of peoples lives as quickly as possible. I think of them as break throughs. Theres only few areas i dont remember relationship, your career, your body, your energy and theres money. Rose al hunt Vernon Jordan gayleo5 king and Felicity Huffman, tony robbins when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Hunt Vernon Jordan is an eminent investment banker and lawyers. He was momentous civil rights struggles in the 1960s and 0s. He scored sharp lane hunter through a mob to integrate the universityncfdirector for the naacp, led the voter project was the director of the United Negro College fund and from 1971 to 1981 was president of the National Urban league. As america celebrates the 50th anniversary of the selma alabama march and bloody sunday which led to the Voting Rights act its a pleasure to have Vernon Jordan here. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Hunt bloodily sunday on the bridge just 50 years its hard to believe that. Hour important was selma to the civil rights struggle. Selma was a crucial moment. And it was a act of 1965. There was this historic notion that the Voting Rights act of 1965 was passed by the congress here in washington d. C. The fact of the matter is the Voting Rights act of 1965 was written on the road from selma to montgomery. And all washington did was to formalizet9io5 our informality to put thetherefores, periods, commas and the semi colons. But the actual law was written by those marches from selma to montgomery. And its an affirmation of the notion that government is by its very nature a reacting entity, not an initiative entity. 1 so government, when Lyndon Johnson went before the congress, was responding to the marches frommmontgomery. But the law was written on that 40 mile jaunt. Hunt that march of course took place two weeks after bloody sunday and the march was led by dr. Martin luther king. Yes. Hunt today a lot of americans know dr. King was a great orator. Ec theyve heard the speeches. What kind of leader was he. He was strategic, he was courageous. He wanted everyone doing it but he also knew that confrontation was necessary. Hunt thats what selma was judicial thats what selma was exactly. Hunt who was ed nixon and what was his significance. Ed nixon goes back to the montgomery bsof thecwu5i6 civil rights movement. When rosa parks was arrested she doesnt call Martin Luther king, jr. , she called e. D. Nixon who was the local branch of the naacp and he was one of a. Philip randolphs union members. Thats who rosa parks called and the lawyer that e. D. Nixon called was clifford derr. A fight lawyer. He was the first lawyer to see after rosa parks. And then after she sat down, got arrested, and the Movement Began to go, it was e. D. Nixon who understood that this circumstance was beyond his capabilities and it was e. D. Nixon who called the new pastor. He called up and said this is the branch of the naacp and we need a leader who is colleged. Hunt e. D. Nixon was not colleged. No, he was a union man he was a community man. But he understood that the circumstance theyhrq e confronting was beyond what he thought his capabilities were. And so he called martin. And so martin said to him brother nixon i have to think about wha point being that e. D. Nixons power at the local level in montgomery was Strong Enough that he could convene a meeting at dexter Avenue Church without having to discuss it with the pastor. Because his relationship was with the chairman of the deacon. Hunt the essential Movement Really was the church, wasmented it. Everything in the in the black community startedmqichurch. Morris college was founded in a Baptist Church in agusta georgia. All of the traditionally black colleges have a relationship with the African Methodist Episcopal Church the Baptist Church the episcopal chueso the church has been the grounding place for our community. It was the gathering place. It was the one place even in slavery that you felt free. And it was the one place i learned a long time ago where when you got to church, you were somebody. You may have been a yard man all week but when you got to st. Paul church in my place in atlanta, you were somebody. Whether you were a chauffeur or doorman or whatever. So the church has always beenthe key to our success in the black community. Hunt vernon, you later became head of the Voter Education project. You covered the whole staff. Youre from georgia. Were alabama and mississippi the worst or was itc0everywhere . Well they were the worst, but that does not say that georgia and South Carolina were good. They were all bad. And they8 were all resistent. Nobody gave in. Hunt as we have this 50th anniversary of that historic day, one of the context is the movie selma. You and some of your friends and associates, i believe you told me, distributed and bought copies of that movie and distributed it. I was recruited by bill lewis partner ken, the chairman of American Express and a group of friends decided that young people, High School Kids should see selma. They called and said send[u my check and my daughter called and said send your check to dnch c. So i supportedl hunt but you knew personally two essential figures, Martin Luther king and Lyndon Bains Johnson did it looked like the kingxnh you knew. It looked like the king i knew. The johnson that was portrayed was not the johnson i knew and was friends with. But no movie. Hunt no 4wtthe only thing about johnson ando cit depicted him as a reluctant supporter of the civil rights act. I do not believe that. Hunt he became a total convert. He understood what heen was doing. Remember he called richard rustle and he said were going to pass this bill, dick. And democrats are going to lose the south as a result. Look at the senate the house and johnson was right. But hunt the other thing that has occurred in recent years, and were talking now about the 65 Voting Rights act. It was captured brilliantly in the movie when i guess the woman played by Oprah Winfrey went in and the judge or whoever was there said, read the preamble to the constitution and recite it she did. How many county judges in alabama. She said how many x and then he said name them. Thats the kind of test. We passed the Voting Rights act, its made a huge difference and today we look at North Carolina may i tell you a story. Its august 6, 1965, Wilcox County, alabama. Its the first day had Wilcox County that the Voting Rights act is being implemented. 2000 black people are in line at 7 00 in the morning. In that line is arblack man dressed in his sunday best. And about noontime he gets up to the registrar and the registrar says you are 90 years old man. The old man said yes. Well if youre 90 years old what took you so long to get here. And the old man said, what took me so long to get here is my philosophy all my life to never get in the way of trouble a coming. And the registrar said if thats your philosophy, why are you here today. And the old man said im here today because trouble aint a coming like it used to did. That you know what trouble a coming meant to him. You could get shot you could lose your job. Any other many other things that happened to you if you did but trouble was not coming because of the Voting Rights act. Now the problem is today if you look at the alabama cases the Supreme Court did to the voting provision of the Voting Rights act the trouble is a coming again like it used to did. Voter identification laws in the northxe and in the south. Hunt do you think theres a racial motive in some of that. Absolutely. And some of these republicans have actually said that. In michigan, not michigan but pennsylvania and in florida. They have 4a7[ted it. And these moment tuesday days of march of 50 years ago, vernon, when youre reflecting at home or wherever you are these days, what do you think about . Your mild im this is that that was terrific. And then i listened to what theyre doing now in Voter Registration and citizen education and i see whats happening in staten island, in ferguson, missouri and im saying trouble is a coming like it used to did. And weve come a long way but theres still a journey to go. Hunt one of the reasons weve come a long way because of people like Vernon Jordan. Thank you very much for coming today. Thank you for having me. Hunt well be back in just a moment. P÷ king Felicity Huffman is here and you know her from her Emmy Award Winning role in desperate housewives and her oscar nominated performance in transamerica. Her latest project takes her back to tv and those of us who look itdabout that it is called american crime. She plays a mother seeking justice after the murder of her sun. The New York Times calls this series, listen to this, a trenchant, sourful exploration of race, faith, gender class and addiction. In my best charlie rose i will say its a pleasure to have Felicity Huffman at our table. Im happy to talk to you. Happy to be here. King i got the series and intended to watch one episode or maybe half an episode because i wanted to get a sense of you and before i knew it i waved all four that were sent to me. I was blown away. Thats such a good sign. King i dont know if its a good sign, im such a tv junkieyzirn but i was so excited about what i saw on the screen. I never seen anything like that, john ridley wrote it, well talk about that. Its so l far from law jet scavo that i liked in desperate housewives. Were you attracted to this role because it is so opposite and different fromrr no,me originally. Its always the script. If the script is compelling, if its on the page its on the stage. Great writing makes your job as an actor easier. I read the script and i had to think is this like law net. I mean shesvlynnate and i wanted to make sure they didnt want to get in through the storytelling. Oh theres law net about a Police Officer and there she is as a nurse. King i never saw law net. Number one she is a mom seeking justice for her son. I felt her pain. Her son is murdered. I feltokpart still unlikeable felicity. Talk about that for a second the character. The way i had to get into the character. As an actor you want to find something you can endorse. You have to fall in love with your÷nnharacter. King you do, before you can play them. Yes. For me you have a distance, are judging your chair, you cant judge your character you have to be your character. I could get in and that she is a mother and shes seeking justice for her son and that is a noble motivation. The wait it manifests in the worldwanted to make sure that you at least understood her so maybe you could have empathy for her so that you could see her as a full human being. This is why i think people are uncomfortable and she is harsh. Like i say you can have understanding for her you might not want to have dinner with her. Any time you can put a person in a box, you can label them, youre a republican, youre a lesbian, youre a racist, you are whatever you are. It stops us from seeing them as human beings. And thats kind of a relief because you go oh, theyre other. King you can dismiss them. Which is i got to say a colonel of racism and bigotry as well. John ridley makes sure none of these characters you can put in a box so you have to experience them as human beings and the that might bring up some discomfort and in your case you dont knowon if you like her. King race is so tough because it tackles wrist from many different angles and many different layers. Heres barb her son is married and murdered and she portraysvuhim as a perfect all american son mired to the all american wife. We later learn there was somehow shall we say chinks in that marriage which is a shock to everybody as it plays out. The suspect is a hispanic male and barbs fine out of her mouth was is he illegal and her exhusband goes oh job stop it. Thats the first thing you say ew she instantly went there. And she says those people a lot. There are a lot of things that the writer wrote and i said really. First i had to find out if those people really existed. I said those people. If they existed and indeed they do. But she does say that. But if you ask barb, are you a racist, she would say no. Im a. Tpragmatist. And i think thats what possibly the new face of racial prejudice. Its not somoh those people are below par, those people are stupid or those people are better. Its subtle. Its people going well what percentage of Illegal Immigrants do crimes like this in modesto. Im a realist. King im a patriot she says at one point. She also makes a responsibility she says this is a hate crime. Why isnt someone looking at this for my son, this is a hate crime which i also thought was an interesting twist that a white person is saying were victims of a hate crime. That was a different tactic that i thought was interesting. It was a different tactic and to tell you the truth she might have a point. I mean pilot theres the twist at the end of suddenly my son who was mariaered who i hold up as military hero and patriot suddenly they go he might not have been so good. And they go maybe he was a bad guy and thats why he got murdered. Thats bigotry in and of itself because he might have been a bad guy its okay he got murdered. The thing iw king the thing i find interesting is its an anthology its a closed story and we wontagain but im glad you felt like you had to watch another and watch. I felt that way too. Hunt at the end of this anthology will it continue in another form orzfor you for this particular american crime. God willing, if it does well and abc went out on a limb to do this. King i think it will do very well. Network television hasnt done anything like this and abc didnt get its toes wet it went skinny dipping in the pond. If it does well i think theyll ask john to do year but a totally different story with different characters and maybe some of the same actors. King talk about working with him because we know john ridley from 12 years a slave. He had written the fresh prince of bel air. Hes done important writing. What was it like working with him and sceufght his vision . What did he say he wanted to happen on the screen . He has a very clear vision. When i kept coming to him and saying is barb a racist, is she a bigot how come she says these things. He would never answer, he says i dont want to close her off. Shes there to get justice for herher son was just killed. Yes she said the wrong thing, okay lets keep moving forward. It was his voice its his vision. At the same time he was very collaborative. He was willing to listen. He was willing to say how do you want to do it. I had strong feelings about how barb would look and he was fine with that. King what were you feeling because i thought she was very is mousy the word . Joy wanted her to i think she was so beat up by life. King she had a hard edge. She is protected internally shes emotionally parched and i felt everywhere she came in she just wanted to come in under the radar. Doesnt wanted you to notice her hair or pants its bad or good just under the radar so she could come in and get the job done. He was fine with that. King you look glamorous. Barb looks nothing like that. Can i take you back to desperate housewives. How does that sit with you after a little distance from the show. Mis that a fun place for you. That was then and this is now. I loved it. I . I felt really grateful for that job. I think every week i felt like okay, heres the scene that challenges me and every week i go wow i really blew that scene but maybe ill do it better next week. I feel like the community you go to the same job and you see the same people and you have a family. I love being at home and working it was just a god send. We were paid really well, i mean it just doesnt get any better than that. I could have had nicer clothes but thats it. King she was always the sane one too. She wasnt coocoo for cocoa puffs. She was always stable but had a crazy side too that would manifest itself from time to time. When i look back on that. Listen i saw you on frazier back in the day i knew that frazier. And then transamerica back in 2005 where youre playing a transgender character. You were nominated for an oscar. You took that on before that was something people even talking about. I have to give the kudos to tong duncan turk and i was getting coached by these wonderful women who was transgendered and i thought oh my gosh theyre my heroes. I remember going to desperate housewives saying we need a transgender character. Theyre wonderful actresses. And it just wasnt on their radar. King because desperate housewives came out in 2004 and tranamerica came in 2005. Nobody was talking about that. Back then it would have seemed very odd and strange. Athletes now i think people are open to hearing about it and wondering what is it exactly. Its a very different time. Which is wonderful. Im sorry it took ten years but its wonderful. I mean come on the less thing that divide us the better. King im curious about william h. Macy are you familiar with his work. I love that guy. I slept with him for a part once. King what does the h. Stand for. Hall. William hall macy. He was named after his father who was a world war ii bomber. King it was interesting to see you too recently on thebo copper. Was it sag or golden globe. They described you as the handsy couple that they clearly care about each other, theyre still hot for each other. I thought what a nice thing to say after you got married in 1997. After souvi thought that was a good thing. Its a great thing. King when he said his speech and he said flicka that would be you im looking forward to going home and sleeping with you. No he said my sister actually called him and said that wasayt inappropriate. He said flicka i love going to bed with you too. And my sisters said what is he doing talking about going to bed with you. King i thought it was a nice line. I love it. King who was it that called you. Im from a big family and a couple my sisters was like what was that about. King you tweeted later looking forward to sleeping with you too. I thought that was great. I have to say, i love getting into bed at night and there he is and i get to sleep the whole night with him and then wake up with him. I know you need an insulin shot after i say that day gay dont apologize. I think people need to see more of2as a divorced person i go i like that. But you denial accept his first proposal. I didnt accept his first or second proposal. King why . Not ready. Because i feel like if you applied the statistics of marriage to any other into go, the post office, the military, whatever it is, when es Something Like 60 of first marriages fail, Something Like 80 of seconds wed go hangqh weve got to revamp theruq3 postal system. But marriage everyone goes good luck. I also feel like women often times disappear in marriage. And i didnt want to disappear. So thats why i said no. But anyway day day king he was persistent. I know. King nt though im divorced iljccg believe in the institution of marriage. I know good marriages exist. I know it is possible and whenever i hear one that is really very special ici think its so good to talk about. You have two daughters. Why do you believe in the institution of marriage. King because i hearyi11n so many people that say oh it doesnt matter, its outdated. Because i thimatters. I think that name and fortune and all this stuff that people have regardless of your job and even if you dont have fame and fortune, theres going to come a point felicity where you are a trivia question. Im not talking about you specifically, im just saying what was the nail of the girl that did blah pla blah. What about that guy does he work or the worst question at all are you still alive. If you do it right youll never be a trivia question with your family. I think the root always starts with the family. Whatever your family looks like, i just think having a Strong Family foundation is so very important. Do you have to be married. King i dont feel like you have to be married but thats my preference. Youre levelly required to be there. King as ive gotten older i have relaxed myself because i used to think you got to be married. Now i think you have to be in a loving kind responsible relationship however that finds it self. Thats why when i hear what you and william h. Macy did is a beautiful thing. The best thing ix7 ever did was marry bill macy its not like we know how marriage works. King do you ever talk about work in the bedroom. Because we grew up incu . The theatre together, were part of the Atlantic Theatre Company here on 20th street. When youre doing a play particularly before you have kids its all encompassing all you think about, bill would direct me or we would act on a play together. We had to go there has to be a place were not talking about acting. We decided once we get into bed we couldnt talk about aging. Which meant i would be lying in bed and say i have an idea and wed get up and talk b but now were so old we talk about it day gay you celebrated 30 years. Yes, its fantastic. King what does it mean to you both the Atlantic Theatre Company. Its our artisticxin our bones. We have the same core of people that started it and its broughtened and we have a huge group of actors and playwrights and designers and stage managers. And its a place where its like a club house with really cool people that does great great work and supports this nation support of bravest most dedicated artists day gay do youj4 prefer the theatre to tv or film or movies . Do you have a preference. I used to think it was the theatre and i did a play right after desperate. I thought do you know what friends dont let friends do theatre. King why . Because i got so used to people judging me from the comfort of their very own couch and in the theatre theyre basically right here. And each going oh fay gay king you can feel their gasps and everything. Right now im doing a play, the anarchist. That goes up in april so heel see. King golden able of television. Yes. King what do you mean . Well you know a bunch of years ago when independent movies first hit, it was this bonanza of people get their steers told and they could get wonderful actors and people would go see them and there was flm venues and festivals and even though that exists theres a glut on the market and its and its harder to get people to see it because theres so much out there. Television used to play second fiddle to movies but it doesnt anymore. King do you feel its no longer the second cousin. I dont. King i see really great people and really great things on tv. I think anyone would say that. People dont just go one place to watch, they go with content whether its leave for charlie rose. Just that i love and admire him. Thats all. King me too. Thank you felicity. Thank you so much. King thank you. Rose tony robin is here. The new york time has called him the high priest of human potential. Hes helped people develop strategies to enhance their personal and professional lives for more than 30 years. He adnqse hugh jagman, Serena Williams to former president bill clinton. His new books thanks about money, its called money, master the game. Im pleased to have tony robbins back at this table. So why did you choose to do money . Well my whole life ive been obsessed really with finding answers to increase the quality of peoples lives as quickly as possible. When you look at what changed the quality of somebodys life theres only a few areas. Theres relationship, career, body energy and money. I worked on it for many years but when 2008 happened and people are losing their homes right and left, losing half what lost money in 21 vat years and ive been there every day. I have access im literally coaching him. He writes to me what happens i coach him what he needs to shift. Thats been happening for 21 years. Rose every day. Thats exactly right. Every three months i see him in person for21 years, i watched him make money in 2008 when the markets were down. He was at 28. I thought if i can interview him learn all i can from him and interview 50 of the smartest financial minds in the world and simplify a system where i can teach a ma lineal coming out of the college with debt they can retire with an amazing project. It took four years and its making a difference with people. Rose we should talk about two things number one who did you talk to and what did you learn from them and what are you telling us. Who did you talk to. I talked to the best of the best. Very few people know on a show like yours would be ray for example. He has the Largest Hedge Fund if the world. Big one might be you need a 5 billian ten years ago and on 100 million today. I asked him as well as calihan from j. P. Morgan, warren buffett, Paul Jones Carl icon and i asked each of them i was supposed to have 45 minutes. The average interview the three hours. I said basically if you couldnt give any of your money to your family, to your kids, what would be your strategy, what would be the portfolio, what would be the approach you would use. Out of those 50 is what the book came into serve fundamental steps anybody can take and process results. Rose lets go through the seven steps. Well real fast. The first version is getting in the game. Most people waiting obiggest mistake is theyre looking for some day when they have a big hit. They never tap the power of compounding we all know about. If you look at the people who won the lottery or athlete who made a fortune so many are broke later in life. If you look at a driver for ups, Theodore Johnson you probably never heard of him. He never made more than 14 a year charlie but by the time he was in retirement he had 70 million. He didnt inherit that. He gave away 35 million while he was alive. How did he do that . Its impossible. At 14,000 a year a friend said you got to invest you got to become an owner instead of a consumer. He said i have no money. His friend said to him yes but if the government came in and taxed you another 20 what you would be taxed now youll scream and yell. Im going to make you a wealthy man he took 20 of his 14,000 put it in an investment didnt touch it and the came out to 130 million. Thats the first step. You really have to understand how to become an insider. Most people dome understand final area. What you dont know will hurt you. A quick example. The insiders know youre not going to be the beat the market. Theres a few union corns like ray and warren but the average person cantaccess them. So 96 of all mutual funds thats where people put their money in 401 k most americans 96 of them do not match the market in any ten year period of time. This he fail. 4 make it. Im going to find the 4 . To you play black jack. Rose yes. You get two face cards and you say hit me, you 1r8 a 4 getting a mutual fund. People dont understand epower of fees. This becomes a soliloquy but its so important. When people think of fees. Do you know what you pay in fees on your investment on your mutual funds . Youre very sophisticated. Rose sort of. The majority will not be able to tell you. The difference between 1 and 3 in fees is something president obama has come out trying to do something bit. If you have 1 versus 3 you put aside 100,000 and you compound it over 30 years at 7 , you have 1 of fees will have at that time almost 600,000. 574. The person who has a fees is 32 46789 its 40 of money just the fees and it could be for the same stocks getting the sam return. You got to become an insider. Ill do the wholess intervow thway. Rose i do want to go through it because its important and people are interested. Whats next. Third you got . . Game winnable. Maybe they read in the paper that says in order to have what you want for Financial Freedom youve got to have ten times your income. So if i have 100,000 a year i need to make sure i come up with a Million Dollars which is not true. Where are you going to get 10 return when you retire in a safe environment where we are in the world today. Or theyre babyboomers saying theyll never get there. I tell people what if you could have these five years covered for the rest of your left without working. Your home is coverage the utilities all the food for your family, all transportation oh basic insurance. If you still work for other things but those five huge thing are paid for how would you feel. Most people say that would be7open credible. I said Financial Freedom is not not working. You know at 72, right. Its not having to work. When you do that all the statistics show if you retire at 55, you have an 89 greater chance of dying in the first ten years after retirement than if you retired at 65. Most people in your position my position they are never going to retire. They do not have tothey work because they love it. Rose number four. Number four you have to put yourself that position where you make the most important decision in your life. Thats not buying apple stock or piece of real state. Everyone is going to be wrong at times. What all these top investors ingree on is al indication is everything. I asked David Swenson chief Investment Officer at yale. Yale took 00 years almost to get to a billion dollars in their endowment. He raised that from a billion to 24 billion in 30 years. He did 14 a year like clock work. What can investments do when they get a better return. Theres only three buttons or dials if you will. Security selection, what you pick, timing and allege et al case. Im going to tell you right now youre always going to be wrong on timing selection and as et al case is how you protect yourself. Some of your money has to be low enough risk with less return but its protected. Some has to go for growth and has more risk. They all gave me their for laws for doing it. Thats what i have in the books. None of it is my idea. Fifth you got to create an income. If you ask most people what are you investing for. They cant tell you i raise my assets get more money. 7n its income. The only hinge that can change your quality of life long term is income. Your assets can drop 50 in a short period of time. So you need income. Showing a system for how to create that income. Like the. 0001 . I put interviews inside the book to show you different ways people invest and what they have in common. Finally you just do it enjoy it and share it. Money will not make you happier but how you spend it will. Ironically if you spend it on inks this you dont get a lot of joy. Experiences last, experiences where youre able to make an investment, thank you with drudge drea frees you up and touching you the most is giving to other people. Thats one of the reasons i wrote the book. As i was writing i saw Congress Passed a new budget that cut food stamps by billions of dollars. I was 11 years old. So my family literally on thanksgiving with nothing. They gave us food but what they really gave me was that strangers care. So when i zw was 17 i had two families and four and over the decades i got to a Million People a year and four million. When i was writing this book i thought what if i could feed as many people many in my wholelife. Ibf reached out to feeding america. Theyre the biggest hunger relief. I said if i sold how many books they said 10 millions. Im feeding 50 Million People a year. Rose how do you feed them. Feeding america delivers the food directly. Rose at one time or for a year. Year andahalf. Rose you feed these people. 49 Million People a diego to bed hungry in the richest country in the world if you can believe that. Instance i was one of those families i want to go back on a large scale. Im doing matching funds right now we are at 71 million my target is to feed 100 Million People. Rose how has your life changed in the last ten years. I was thinking about that because you interveurd when i was 40 and i just turned 55 a few days ago. I was thinking how incredible i thought i would have a large impact but the privilege ofic ,q5i being able to reach more readers and teach people more than a hundred countries around the world 50 Million People it is just increases in scope. The depth of my relationships what i value mow has increased geometrically as well. I love love. Im driven by love. Im driven to see people light up. I love the hate. I hate to see suffering if i could help people. Winds me up with joy. And then just the friendships and family. Rose i mentioned whole movement how tony robens went from infomercial. How do you explain that . What happened. How did you get to become really the person that a lots . 7is of very very powerful people with great talent turn to help them understand how to maximize their life. You know if you do anything every day with total passion and your focus is b do more forothers than nibble is possibly doing and you hold yourself to that standard, youre not going to be perfect but youre going to get insights and strategies. When when i had the opportunities ive been able to deliver. When i get the phone call and Serena Williams is burning down and i can turn her around literally in one session she goes off and wins you get a lot of attention. When the president of the United States calls and says im going to be impeached in the morning what earlier. Rose what did you tell him to do. Those are private conversations. When you talk to people with that caliber the word spreads. Im a driven hungry guy looking to find better answers, im never satisfied. As a result of that i usually have cutting edge tools that can help someone. Rose is it primarily about a specific question in their life at impeachment i cant bring it together or is it a larger sense of a life plan and a sense of a life with purpose. Its a great question. Some people have outrunned their vision. They done theyve achieved times ten and theyre depressed because we all need whats called a compelling future. Without that we drop off. Doesnt matter how much money you ma1bof wuu many people love you how many oscars you get. If you dont have a compelling future to go for it i always tell people happiness comes in one word progress. If youre not making progress you wont be happy. I usually get the phone call because people are hungry gus thats who they are. Theyre looking foralways or theyve had an event that theyre not perfortunating. Theyre not pursuing the results. Theyve had a seggant challenge in their sports or their business and they need to change it right now. I get the call because i have that result right now. Rose is there only one tony robin in the world. In other who else in is in world youre in. There are tons of people that coach people. I started the coaching industry there were no coaches per se for the sports but i did it because i wasntment the motivator. Rose is it called life coaches what do you call it. A business or life strategist. I created i remember i was on larry king 20 years ago. Youre not a coach youre not a sports coach and all of a sudden everybody in finance was a coach, therapist coaches so it became a term of art. I came in and said you pay and produce this result. Today you go to a class and theyll give you a certificate and you can coach people. I look at how do you produce results. There arent many people in the world that do it but what is diverse i can take an athlete and i can take the entrepreneur and make that shift or the mom thats got a problem, kids who are suicidal makeef that shift. The question is are there essential principles that you know that apply to any situation, principles. Yes, there are. Fundamentally why people do what they do and how they perform are affected by a couple thing. First why we do what we do even when people do things crazy like try to commit suicide. Rose or repeat self destructive behavior of any kind. I tell people the biggest problem in life is not drugs its not alcohol, its not cocape its the need for problems. Human being have needs. We need to feel certain and variety. We feel dead inside. We need to feel somethingant. You need to feel connected and loved you need to feel like were growing or to contribute. Of those six needs everybody specializes in a couple. If you have a certainly and people change the game you get really stressed out people are late youre really upset. If youre in a variety you dont give a dam. If your familiar one thing is significant youre measuring other people are responding the way you want. If youre love driven youre going to be connecting all the time. Im trying to find out what is someones driving force and i if he can out what is it from keeping them from fulfilling that. There might be a belief a conflict they have it might be something in their family or environment. Rose can you have them redefine what ought to be their driving force. I can. But i cant do it, they can. But i can bring it to their awareness toic memoranda that change. You have two people that are both very significance driven. Take a look. The firemen that went into 9 11 willing to give their lives probably knew they were going to give their lives thats a heady experience. What makes human beings do that. Love significance. Feel like i died a worthy death i died a life that saved other people. The people that flew the plane into 9 11 into the buildings also were driven by significance. If i do this i go to heaven and im a martyr and my family is. So people have the same needs. What i need is what are the rules for those needs. Generous nice or loving. You can be significant by being the most intense mean raw individual humanly possible. People find different ways to meet their meets. I have to figure out what those are, what they are doing currently and close the gap from where they are to where they want to be. Rose what kind of things make you juv say i want to change iwant to do better i want to make a difference. Talent not just bag if youre an athlete being able to score more, victories or point. What would it be. I went from you know dirt poor not knowing what to do, not being a businessman to know education to do that to running literally billion]owr dollar plus business. Rose i got that. You and i talked about that many times and different times. Im talking about today. Im saying in those situations i have people that have played the game larger than i am i rose these are like he people you talked to for this piece. Exactly. Rose you tapped into their success to understand built the company from zero to 6 billion. A friend of mine. Meter guber bought they15 years ago when i was trying to decide no one picks your partner, do i want to go through divorce and initiate this. I went to those same people. Rose do you find most people at the high success level want to have these kinds of conversations. Its the kind of stuff that they like to talkun about. The idea of how do you maximize your life potential. The idea of how do i find the perfect balance in my life. The idea of how do i fulfill a life of meaning. David brooks is writing a lot about meaning. Are these subjects of people that hes talking about rather than looking at Balance Sheets and rather than understanding competitive advantage in the world. More comfortable in the competitive advantage. Rose than talking about values. Of course. But the people im dealing with clients and friends of mine for decades, 2025 years. When you do that, somebody ive had the privilege bag able to coach i learn from him constantly. When youve got somebody thats 10 15, 20 years ahead of you, theres that cycle of life were going through whats aging for you and looking at Different Levels of impact. I find that the people im dealing with are at this stage of their life very much interested in whats most valuable a life of meaning. They passed the stage of 30s,m3iua ons 50s and maybe even earlyu 60s. They entered the stage in the 70s and 80s where theres a sage at this point and they really look back to see what was life really for them and how do they want to leave this life. Those are people that go deep. Im not a surface guy. Rose its great to have you here. Thank you so much. Rose tony robbins book is called money master the game serve simple steps to Financial Freedom and this on point, secrets from the worlds greatest financial minds and some of the people hes talked about certainly are those that have shown by asks and by the qualities of their life that they represent that. Thank you tony. Thank you. Rose more about this program and early episodes visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org [ applause ]