Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose Cate Blanchett is here, she is an Academy Award winning actress. In theive a i cant tellor she was kate hepburn. In im not she was bob dylan and in lord of the rings she was queen of the elves. This movie she calls a woman on the verge. Its been called most complicated and demanding performance of her movie career. Hers the trailer for blue jazz minute. What do you think . I love it you spoil me so. Why not . Who else will i spoil . He met me at a party and swept me off my feet. I fell in love with the name jasmine. I have never been to San Francisco. Ill be staying with my sister. Jasmine look at you your place is homey. Your flight was bumpy. The food was awful. Youd think first class i thought you were tapped out. Im dead broke. The government took everything. All i can say is you look great. Now whos lying . Is there anything you want that you dont have . Beautiful when your sister had all that money she had nothing to do with you. Now that shes broke all of a sudden shes moving in. Shes not just broke. Shes all shook up. She told me all about you. One minute youre on top of the world, the next hes a crook. Im sure this is a big comedown from what youre used to. Youll be happy to know i lost every cent of my own money. Your husband was a slick operator. I was there a week, i knew the guy was hitting on a girlfriend. I cant i cant. You choose losers because thats what you think you deserve and thats why youll never have a better life. She doesnt care about you. Shes a phony can you please not fight in here . I dont think i can take it, for some reason my xanax isnt kicking in. Anxiety, nightmares, a nervous breakdown, theres only traumas a person can withstand before they take to the street and start screaming. Rose im pleased to have Cate Blanchett back at this table. Welcome. Thank you. Rose good to see you. Tell me about jasmine. Jasmine. Well, theres a broken flower. Rose laughs shes a very combustible cocktail of rage and guilt and is one of the most epiincompetent fant cysts on the part of woody allen. Rose an actors delight . Yes, confused and complicated. Shes broken and delusional which is always fun to play and someone with an incredible sense of a romanticized sense of sell. Rose an east cider, married. Husband turns out to be not only having affairs but a fraud and so the empire collapses and she flees to San Francisco. Yes. Rose with her sister but not of the same parents. Yes. Rose and what does she find there . In her sister and new surroundings . I think she finds reality which she finds incredibly difficult to deal with. I mean, theres a long tradition in american drama if you think about tennessee williams, women in particular who walk that terrifying border between fantasy and reality and who. Rose thats what she does in San Francisco . And in a search for a husband. Rose and finding fault with her sisters choice of men. Yes. Yes. Which its not its a series of revelations. I think she had no idea from jasmines point of view the depraved existence that her sister was living in. Rose i dont know whether this has relevance or not but because of Blanch Dubois who you became very familiar with. laughs yes, im acquainted with blanch. Is there a kind of homage to women and understanding difficult women or women who are complicated in all those plays that somehow seeps into this character on the part of woody who wrote it . Yes, if you look at the pantheon of female characters that hes created and the opportunities hes created to actors theyre extraordinary and jasmine was an extraordinary opportunity for an actress and thank goodness he presented that opportunity to me. I heard him say hes looking for help. Forget it its too menial. Id go nuts. I want to go back to school. I want to get my degree and become you know, something substantial. I cant just do some mindless job. I was forced to take a job selling shoes on madison avenue. So humiliating. Friends ive had at dinner parties in our apartment came in and i waited on them. Do you have any idea what thats like . One minute youre hosting women and the next youre measuring their shoe size and fitting them erica bishop came into the store she saw me, i was so embarrassed. She slipped out thinking i didnt see her. I saw you, erica rose did you talk about women and talk about how women think and talk about did i talk to woody about the character . Are you kidding me . Rose i want you to say of course i did. 97 of his direction comes in this because hes rose in the text. Like bergman hes a brilliant dramatist. Of course hes an incredible film maker. Unique and special and rare but its all in the text and he will tell you when its not working but he doesnt necessarily point you in the right direction and i think give than this is the guy who made bananas and interiors and bananas and louis c. K. As well as sally hawkins, wonderful theater animals you think which way is this going to fall . I read the script and thought this is absurd and hilarious. Rose comedy and drama. And three weeks in woody said to me you know, this is a serious movie. I thought, geez, i wish youd said that to me on day one. But thats what makes the films so edible, i think. Rose edible . Yeah, such a strong sense of audience. Rose you can chew on them, digest them yeah, theyre parts to swing a cat in because he walks that line between the absurd and the painful. Rose between absurd and painful. See, this is what i love about you that. Just comes rolling out perhaps with not having thought about it before. It is between absurd and painful. Completely. Life is a an incredibly difficult thing. Rose laughs really . I thought otherwise. Do you find anymore a particular interesting period in his own life . Hes 77 now. Hes created a whole series of interesting women characters. Youve played some of them. Yeah. Rose do you find him at an interesting period in his own life looking back a bit . Looking yes. Well, having not worked with him before i mean i only know the myth i dont know the man so well. But hes voracious. Hes there are the south of france doing another one. Rose he does one a year. Martha graham said this amazing thing and maybe thats the part i relate to woody as someone who has an artistic Creative Life. She said this fantastic thing about that theres no theres never as an artist theres never any satisfaction. Theres just this eternal constant rolling this is not a direct quote. Dissatisfaction and a blessed unrestfulness that keeps you going. Rose so whats the search in the search i guess is for that are like being on a monkey bar. Happiness. This whole cult of happiness. Its very rare. Satisfaction doesnt exist and that you hope to glimpse it. You hope to be a moment which you think thats not bad. Rose the reason i ask about whether hes looking back. Because hes now musing aloud about that maybe if he had it to do over and he says anybody who doesnt think about regrets and know they made bad choices along the line, this is not in touch with themselves, do you agree with that . Well, im not a big believer in regret. Because rose but not regret in dissatisfaction with where you are now. But saying yes, i made another choice, i might have made a bad choice. I might not sit here moaning about it but i did it. I think thats the awareness that time is finite. Rose i was surprised that he said he might have become a novelist. Or a plumber or whatever he says. Rose no, not a plumber. You think thats simply what you sometimes do, just deflect the question by saying something no, but when youre asked that question you think, well, i would have liked to have done that and theres no time to do that now. But, you know he does hes absolutely prolific and i mean he you do feel on the set with him hes completely engaged and simultaneously disengaged from it and i think thats what creates a unique texture in his films. Rose share the conversation of woody allen when youre making the movie of which youre principal character. Whats for dinner tonight . Well, often he does have to rush away to a dinner date so theres time pressure. Not because you want to get it right but because he has a life to lead. Hes silent and i dont know how to work unless its in dialogue with the director so i would just ask him questions and hed answer them. Rose interestingly . Yes, often cryptically. I was asking about a moment and he said oh, its he always said i think its a painful process for him to listen to his own words back, particularly in the mouths of other actors and he was talking about what hed written and he said it didnt look like much and it actually wasnt. Rose laughs so thats the way he talks about things. You know if hes moving on its then youre on you know, youre on to something. Rose hes a man who likes women . I think he does. I think he really does. Rose well, someone like you wouldnt knee . I think hes fascinated by their complexity. How brittle, how bitchy, how extraverted they seem to be. But i did say to him that he seemed to have such a great empathy perhaps is too sentimental a word but an understanding of jasmine. I did say to him, i said had you considered playing this role . And because when i asked him i said how would you play it, mr. Allen . And he said, well and he got quite blanchlike. Rose you called him mr. Allen he . and then he would just reel off a whole set of circumstances and possibilities because he was saying it through analyzing it through his own prism as a performer. So thats the way we ended up speaking about it. He said he didnt he did think seriously about it when i said why didnt you play jasmine . And he said it would have been too comic. But he did seriously consider it. Rose do you think you understand men as much as he understands women . Im not a writer. Rose but youre an interpreter. Ive played a few traditionally male roles and i think the great role, great male or female roles transsend gender. I think i relate to men quite well and i have a lot of male friends so rose and you work with your husband. I work with my husband which is a horrific notion for a lot of laughs they think how can you do that. Rose has the Sydney Theater Company experience made you want to direct . Ive directed theater. If the right film came along im very impatient and i understand how to produce theater and get it up. I understand how to reduce the budget and not creatively compromise the work. But the idea of getting to first base and having to retreat from that because of finances and before you get on to set theres five years of your life gone and then you make it and you have to sit with in the post and then publicize the bugger thats a lot of rose to people like me. Thats not too hard. But that is you have to really love that material. Whereas theres an immediacy to theater and you know whether its connecting to an audience. You can give the actors note and you can watch it evolve and grow. Its a very organic beast and theres something much more terrifying for me about directing a film because its the object is some complete and finite. Rose you seem to have an artists soul. Thank you. Rose well, if you werent there you would have been a dancer i thought you were going to say a dentist. Rose well, you were a dentist assistant. But you would be an artist. You would be a painter or a dancer or oh, look rose you would not think of yourself as being a nuclear scientist. No, look, thats beyond my ken. Rose or neuroscientist. But look at you. Lets turn the tables. You went to Duke University and you were premed and law then you went to journalism. I did. So no ones path is linear. But its also having the courage to not you can and, look, its also i think the landscape, the educational landscape has changed so profoundly in the last sort of 40 years. Rose how so . The idea of having a renaissance education. I could start off in an arts degree, arts economics degree and think now ill transfer to architecture or try that out for a moment. And maybe the american system does allow you to have a few different majors but you have to get through the door in the first place. When i studied at university it was just when they were introducing High School Educational phase and of course thats gone up. Theres very few people whove ever reached rose i hear theyre about ready to hit another zone in terms of online education. Thats number one. Number two, online we can see the most extraordinary visual things as well as go inside the greatest libraries in the world. So that gives you the capacity to absorb a new experience, unleash the power of different people can explain things so theres a capacity now because of the extraordinary world we live in to assimilate more things ever possible before. And thats exciting about an evolution of a mind and a life. That does democratize education. Exactly what it does. But say for example with a medical degree. You cannot teach bedside manner online. Rose you can never do that. You cannot import compassion. You are learning to attend something and theres the group mind of if students as well as your individual mind and thats really important. I think bedside manner has something to do with what every great teacher has and its somehow being able to connect individually with every student and every member of the audience and that has something about reaching inside of you with respect to your own humanity and being able to take that out and somehow connect. What i do is the engagement is as important as the question so that you have somebody that wants to wrestle with the question rather than simply defect in it with certain varying degrees of skill. Absolutely. You made the right decision. Rose laughs i think so. C68ie look, im trying to cheer you up a little bit. Rose and damn it, you are as you always do. So back to jasmine and just to woody for a second. Why is it everybody wants to work with woody . With mr. Allen . Why . Is it by reputation . Is it a kind of word of south . I think its both. I think actors have voraciously consumed his stories, the characters and theres a whole mythology around the way he works and who hes such an enigma. So well known but so unknown. But i also think a lot of well, i can only speak for myself but theres a terror in it. Youre attracted to what you think rose yeah, youve said that before to me. You go where youre frightened. And the rumor afwhundz if he doesnt like you than hell recast. Rose hell recast around you or hell recast the film. Its called being fired. Rose so people come until to do a film with him and it doesnt work . It doesnt work. And because he doesnt you know, hes not interested in trying to put band aids on things. If its not working hell jettison it. Hes btal about that. If it doesnt work, cut it. Thats not working. Hes not one of those directors who goes in and wants to break the moment open and help an actor get there. Youre either there or youre not. And i think theres rose i hired you because youre an actor, thank you very much. Exactly. And thats what clowning is. You can get sort of protected from that sort of interface with the terror as an actor and i think thats what woody presents you with. It works or it doesnt work. Of course not. What makes you think that . Well, someone made a remark. What remark . They saw you having lunch with her. Taking her hand what crap who told you that . I know who, it was that vacuous troublemaker lydia, am i right . Were you . It had to be lydia because i was having a business lunch with amy did you take her hand . Are you nuts . Do you think if i was having an affair id be crazy enough to have it at the four seasons. I dont know. Sometimes you drink at lunch. Maybe you were high. Its obvious shes got a crush on you. Honey, youre building a case. Because if you were having an affair i would be pretty upset. Well, im not so dont get that temper up, i dont like that side of you. Rose what are you scared of . Oh, lots of things. Spiders. Rose i dont mean insects. I mean about life . I dont know that i am rose failure . Certainly not failure. Oh, im terrified of failure. But maybe its a perverse compulsion to push myself toward it to and i experience it all the time. Im constantly disappointed with what i do. Rose are you ever satisfied with what you do . Well, no, i agree with Martha Graham, its an internal dissatisfaction. Otherwise why would you keep rose so you die saying i never quite got there. Yeah. Rose its okay, though. Yeah. Rose because the journey is what its all about. Well, exactly. Exactly. And ive been so as you have done, i didnt set out to get there. I didnt either. And i couldnt even imagine being here. You cant imagine wherever it is you know its a process. You know its a journey. But you could never imagine being where you are now. No. Rose you didnt think of yourself when you first began to think of acting running the Sydney Theater Company. Its where my husband and i got our first jobs. No, and not at all. And thats and it was so out of the ballpark of what we were expecting to do in the next five years that we had to say yes. Rose i may have gotten this wrong but i think you once said to me is his name upton . Yes. Rose he said to you i think you said this to me after you hit it, after you were a star, for go for it, kid, youve got five years. laughter yeah, he did. Rose laughs and enjoy it snoochlt up theyve allowed you in the room, have at it. Enjoy the five minutes. Rose laughs andrews fantastic. Hes a great leveler. But hes also living life while its there. Often i think i can i dont know whether hes a pessimist, im a mess mistic on mist but im always thinking this is it. Its over now so i better,z t enjoy it too much because ill be disappointed. Rose how about the three boys . Theyre heaven. Rose heaven, is that what it is . Whats heaven . Well, i think its the smell of a young boy. Although my 11yearold is reaching puberty so thats that smell aint too heavenly, let me tell you. Theyre great. When we were filming blue jasmine they came to San Francisco and theyre a great leveler. I mean,er think rose theyre the ultimate leveler, arent say in i mean, every womans relationship to what she does for me having children has forced me to become much more economical in the way i approach my work and much more pragmatic. Rose meaning more efficient . Meaning all the things that i thought were utterly essential and pleasant. The reading around, the researching, the mulling over i have to do in my sleep now. Rose because theres no time. And the time awake is dedicated to them in part because it brings you such joy. Yeah. And, look rose and experience. I think its been great for them for us to run the Theater Company because backstage, theater people, its a very playful place, very inviting place far child to be. Rose do they think about the question like mom and dad i too want to be on stage. If youre a or lawyer probably youd be thrilled if your child went into but. Rose if you were captain of industry it seems better to have your son or daughter be there. Its expected. But you know the difficulty and the lack of terrain and the uncertainty. Rose someone said to me is that they basically took this tack. If your child or children wanted to go into the profession, theater, do everything that you could to dissuade them because if you are unsuccessful theyre made for it. Yes. Yes. It was my experience, i never considered one could make a life out of it. I thought it was more a hobby but it has to be a vocation because theres a lot of disappointments and. Rose i just cant imagine you as a woman with disappointment. Well i know i am quite not so much in other people rose in yourself. What could you be disappointed about . What am i disappointed about . Im disappointed in this cup of coffee right now. Rose i knew you were going to Say Something silly. You deflect the question if you dont want to deal with it. Im not very deep, charlie. Rose laughs yes, you are. I know because of language. Your command of language suggests to me youre that deep. I only speak the one. Rose at a time. One at a time. I understand. My mandarins a bit rusty. But cantonese can be good. Have you tried cantonese . Is it easer. Rose i its really hard. I had a hard time with mandarin but cantonese after having rose do you speak mandarin . Rose no, of course not you read it . Rose no, i lie about it. My oldest son is learning mandarin. Rose truthfully . Yes. Rose why . Hes 11 school. Rose oh, school, the school they they select mandarin for him . Yes, mandarin is the one theyre doing in primary school. They learn it orally. Rose so does he have anybody to speak mandarin with when he comes home . Dont you have a a nanny or something that speaks man lynn . No, that was my mandarin. speaks chinese. My good son. Rose what does that mean in man lynn . No, thats it. I just did it. The i dont know what it means. He seems to respond to it so its okay. I think it means my dear boy. Rose your what . My dear boy. But i might have just ordered rose will you always live in australia . Who knows . How can we say always . We fantasize about having a sabbatical. Rose from the theater or from life . From life and stepping out. Rose john lennon said life is what you do while waiting for Something Else to happen. Well definitely for the its been a wonderful thing to reconnect with the Creative Community through running the Sydney Theater Company and we dont want to sever that. Its a great place to grow up. And the distance i found this. The distance from the rest of the English Speaking world, of course, you know, theres the Pacific Islands and theres new zealand but we are geographically a part of asia. Its i do not the relationship functional and dysfunctional between white australians and the indigenous community, it just is a really it produces very interesting tension in australia. Rose interesting. To live a Creative Life there. But the cultural place is always fascinating. Yes. Rose in terms of how it shapes and how those tensions play out in relationships. And what was also wonderful about going back because we were living in england for almost a decade and is we were cultural tourist there is. We had no sense in a good way of responsibility to the creative dplunt because it wasnt where we were from. Rose and exactly opposite in australia. You have a sense of responsibility of the Creative Community because its where you were born. You were born into that community. Quite. And so that was a big deciding factor for us in going back. Rose when you look at what youre doing now you also did maids which is a story of two maids who fought based on a real story. The family was called papin. Yes, the papin sisters. Rose and they did what . Well, there was a murder that was championed by kamu and sartre as a moment of rose rebellion . When the proletariat rose up against the oppressors these sisters in the dark finally couldnt stand it anymore and murdered their mistress and her daughter with claw hammers. Pulled out their eyes. It was a brutal, brutal murder and so jenay used that as a genesis for the maids. These maids are desperate to release themselves from the stronghold. Tell me how you approached that character. While, i was playing with isabelle whos an extraordinary actress and Elizabeth Rose whos very young, isnt she . 22 or something i know, its disgusting. Its disgusting. And shes talented. Rose she plays the mistress. I know. Rose she gets it. It was great to claim it back. Ive and seen the play done with men. Something about sartre said it was a hall of mirrors, blah blah blah. Rose is that the way you approach sartre . Blah blah blah . Blah blah blah. But, look, i dont have any preconceptions going is a rehearsal room. Its my one time ask you about a process. Theres jasmine which you said essentially you derive from the text is what you said. I think i was always working from the text and andrew upton did an eversion because. Rose andrew upton did . Yes spchlt. Rose because hes there at the theater. Often it can be quite prescriptive. The version of the certain aspect was done in the 50s and it was that said of social conditionings and framework so it was great to breathe new life back in it because the play is so transgressive. Rose what does that word mean transgressive . And im serious. I dont know. Well, for me what it means is theres a certain understood moral code of the way people function and certain boundaries through which people wont even in chekhov theres a sense that theres a framework for which you cant you bounce back into the world whereas i mean i find when you look at jenai i feel so petty bourgeois and closeted in my existence. He said his greatest fantasy was to be on a train to siberia being the lover of his mistress of the rent boy, basically of his of the mistresss lover. So you think how do i remember that . Rose how do you get your mind around that . Its very its very elliptical and its a whole thing about the stockholm syndrome and its loving your oppressor, the fear of the desire and the hatred of the oppression but the actual billfully enabling it to continue. Rose so how did you approach from character . From the beginning. I mean, because theres a series of games within games within games it wasnt really until we became the maids of course, i play clair and she impersonate it is mistress. We didnt know what that was until the mistress came in and we were the maids so we had to start of start from the chron crete and blow it open. But it ended up being intensely physical and its a dangerous play. Its all about my character ends up because of her sisters intense fantasy to be the criminal and the criminal being akin to being the saint. You know, the ultimate glory is to commit murder which is a very transgressive idea still now. Rose but its a political idea. Its a very political idea and the only way because the more dominant sister is perhaps more cowardly and weak one. The only way to give her that fantasy in reality is to allow her to murder my character. So its a very rose its fascinating to hear you talk about it because in a fundamental way thats obviously what people in terrorism have to come to grips with. That very thing. The crime is a political act. Yes. Its thats what i mean by transgressive. Its almost like we need to grable with what that means or how someone can get to that place. So we cant look at it, we just label it as being im not condoning it but you have to understand these things, you have to unravel it. Rose and if you cant you can never and thats the great. Rose you cant kill them all. No. Were all indock tri nated. Rose do you have any interest in created film, theater in which you the whole process in terms of using what you have to write and create a theater piece that speaks to your own view of the world and or some passion you mean for me to actually rose well, what jenai did. Im married to a writer but im not a im certainly not a writer. I have a Great Respect for writers. Rose not a writer meaning you cant write if you wanted to or not a writer because you have these other things that have a higher calling for you . I just dont have the skill. Like i can go to a drawing class for the rest of my life but i dont think im going to particularly improve. Rose have you been to a life drawing sdplasz yes, i have. Rose you tried . I keep saying im going to go back and do it but theres a meditation to it. But doing 45 minutes rose and it didnt come easy so therefore you abandon it . I understand space by being in it. I understand what it means if youre standing down stage left, the vibrations are different if when youre Standing Center stage. I mean, fit my time over talking about woody allens regrets or rose choices. I would have loved to have been a dancer. That would have been my dream because its intensely fliz cal and almost like Performance Art in a way but at the same time youre emotionally engaged and physically engaged but to understand space in the sense that thats over there and im going to render it on a two Dimensional Service but im going to make it three dimensional. I cant do it. Believe it or not, im never going be a neuroscientist. Rose its never too late. Theres something about the idea of being able to rescue Bart Giamatti was an italian renaissance scholar, became president of yale, went on to become the commissioner of the National League but he famously said that, you have to stay in one job more than eight or ten years because new a job that has like the Theater Company. Someone might say this about you. They might say you guys shouldnt dot that more than eight years because in eight years null a sense have a chance to experiment with all your ideas and then you new a sense respond to what you have done. The idea you understand . You never want to be in dialogue with yourself. Rose exactly. You always have to be reaching for Something Else. Thats what i mean about command of language. Its boring. And i think creatively you end up cannibalizing yourself and youre absolutely right. For a Theater Company i think maximum ten years. Because youve moved through and youre already you never want to reach the day knew month creatively. Thats for the audience. Thats for the next people. Its like a i always hate when were talking about the arts and news sports analogy but its like passing a baton in a relay race. You have to allow it to go on beyond where you thought it was going to be. Rose what is acting about . And i seem serious about that because i want to understand it. I think its very it sounds a very wordy way to talk about acting because i think these days and maybe its just the transition or the expansion of the way we can see films or the moving image. Its in a state of flux at the moment. Anyone can do it and you know you can cut anything together, which is true. The famous Jimmy Stewart story hitchcock saying to him in north by northwest. He said just look up there. And he said what am i looking senate and he said look up there quickly. And hi saw somebody falling off the silo. And sometimes the directors say to do that action and you do it. I think if someone else was looking up there it wouldnt have the same power but we cant tell whether people can do things or not do them. Rose but we cant tell anymore whether they can do anythings or i think were beginning to you cant bemoan the fact its happening. I think were moving increasingly away from the actual concrete act of making something. We dont know whether someone has actually created that or virtually recreated that. If its virtually created cant anyone do that . Is the artist actually you cant see the hand prints on it anymore. So to talk about the craft of acting somehow seems wordy or oldfashioned but for me in answer to your question i think acting has to be and this is why the theaters its such a great place to be and when its great its great for an audience and when its awful its awful because its live and because its human and theyre the two things it these claim if it survives. Its a generous act. And this is where woody is amazing. He innately understands his audience. He does it for people to see. He wants to entertain them and make them laugh and thats what you do on stage. I think you can get quarantined or very separated from in various different forms of a moving image from the people that youre making it for and a lot of times i think people end up doing it for themselves and which, of course, theres a selfish component. I wouldnt do it if i didnt get pleasure out of it. But it has to be generous and if its not working on stage the audience you can feel it. You can they may not make a noise but the Energy Retreats and so you have to change what youre doing. Its a dynamic relationship. Rose its almost like breathing. If youre connecting theyre breathing with you. Theres a sense that its where you are. Its almost you can laugh before the words get out of your mouth or they can feel the emotion as you feel it. I agree. And you can feel the intake of breath. Its a very dynamic relationship you have with the audience. Its something you dont want to label. Its transference of energy and thats why not interested there locking yourself in a way in a room and its not theater as a lobtory although development and development away from an audience a vital part of reaching the stage where you can actually perform the thing for people. But no i rell their audience connection so maybe thats why i do it. And its also the wonderful Australian Play wright who passed away, nick enright, i encountered him at drama school, it was a very, very dear and special man me went around the table in our first year and said why are you here and what do you want why are you an actor . And no one said it we all came up with selfish reasons and he said i think acting is revealing to people what it means to be human. And it is a human thing and thats why i maybe keep doing it because its it humanizes me. Can i ask you something . Sure. You ever think you could see yourself married to me . Married . I have it planned. Obviously you can say no if it sounds terrible, all right . But you come with me next month and we live there for a few years and i can teach you how to waltz and you can have all the chocolate cake and the wine you want and then we come back and i get serious about my political dreams. Then we adopt kids and we live in the house that it would be fantastic. The what do you think . Look, the down side for you is that you have to stand next to me and smile at photoops when i throw my hat in the ring. Youre saying you love me . I didnt cause you to become ill over the prospect of being my wife. Some of the things which are 180 degrees away from acting, it is that theyre it is biological. It has to do with, you know, neuroscience. It has to do with neurons and it these do with pathways and a whole range of things. it would be interesting to do a study on someone while theyre performing. Rose exactly right because speaking of Martha Graham again, she talks about the keeping the channel open. A theres no point in judging theres no point in judging what it is that youre doing. You have to do it. As aban actor this is why so many of us go potty rose potty . Loo loo. As you get older you have to in order to keep performing you have to keep those synapses over. Thats where the imagination is born. And the interesting thing. If you could do this it would be wonderful and you could, theres certain ways to do this i would assume. It would be telling in terms of opening up. Thats part of what they can do with diseased brains now is understand the differences and see what kind of physical manifestation. I should give my body to science you should do what your body does exactly now. While i have you here i want to do this. Theater and film. You had trepidation about going into film because unlike theater where you began, did you get over there that . Did you figure out a way to do that in your mind that made it you have to think like a child. I think having children actually i remember being on set, i made a film years years ago called oscar and lucinda and rife fiennes was in it and he was about to play ivanov and he was reading russian novels in between takes and i thought how can he do that . I have to be so focused on what it is that im doing. Its all out of sequence. But somehow you have to have the ability in film to switch on absolutely and switch off absolutely. So you have to be aware of the native of the work if its a film but you always keep in context where youre supposed to be at that moment that narrative . Thats where say for example working on Something Like blue jasmine because the script was so impeccably structured even though theres not a lot of on set dialogue with woody about it. I had to do preplanning because obviously shes on a cocktail of xanax and alcohol and you had to know when she was on it and off it and strangely a lot of that comes in costume and wardrobe fittings because you have to work out it sounds very shallow. Where youre wearing what wear and that anchors me. Thats akin to the idea some people olivier said until he put on the costume he didnt really know the character. Because often in the hair and makeup test, the camera test no ones looking at you, theyre looking at the way the light plays on your face. And its just that thing of having to make the space, whether its whether youre doing the blocking rehearsal or in your wardrobe fitting just to rehearse, to play. Rose the more you know, the easier it gets or the more you know the more difficult it gets . I think the more you know the more difficult it gets and i think once youve arrived at a certain place or a perceived to have arrived at a certain place you have to its harder and harder. Rose because youre playing against yourself . When you walk through the door, if you walk through the door playing Queen Elizabeth then thats the way people expect you to keep walking. And so its harder for you to say im not interesting in doing that, i want to do that. And to keep sort of pushing yourself into places that may not necessarily be well received or necessarily even work. Rose do most directors in terms of whether its film or theater lets take film. When youdom the role, do they have in their mind a sense of what they want it to be or do they say i want you to surprise me and show me what it is . Certainly in the theater its before i was in rehearsal and i thought you were told where to stand and what to do. Rose and what moves in the actors head. And i always screw up right royally on the first day to make sense of it. Suck muck up because its those apparent mistakes or month which is seem deeply inflept a door is open and you think thats an unexpected try go through that. But woody has a clear sense of what he doesnt want and i think he does love like being surprised. He gives the actors a lot of agency. Rose mike nichols said that. What a great actor does is what a good architect does. You say to the architect i want the house like this this and this. A great architect will surprise you with what he or she will deliver after you have told them a sense of what you feel about the place you live. You say i want six bedrooms but they can be configured in any way. Rose so you just made monument men with George Clooney who wrote and directed with grant. And theyre such a great team. Theyre such a great team. Theres such an elan to the way they work. Its so easy and simple and unneurotic and the story of that is its ripper of a tale. Robert ed sell is the author. He saw that i mentioned it and in a totally unknown capacity. And john goodman, whos in the film said to me i was in monument and i said great, george and robert ed sell wrote a book and robert wrote me a book and said its a remarkable story of this group of people who went out in the search of the art that had been stolen by the nazis in italy . All over europe. Basically they pilfered all the major jewish collections. Rose in vienna. Hitler was a frustrated artist. Rose and gehring was even worse. Well, gehring wasnt an artist at all. Goring. They were serviceable, they were find but he wanted to build the largest art Fine Art Museum in his hometown. In fact, he wanted to level it and completely redesign it. Theres a psychology there that theres a grudge. So they were amassing this in the annex off the louvre and a woman called rose van at was unbeknownst to the to garing who was using it like a shopping more for his personal collection. Gehring. The catholics of art, not dejenrette art but good german art, it was a it was a sanctioned past time and you could go and raid a jewish household and take what you want so she was cataloging them and the monument men mad to come in and get that. This is an ongoing story. Because theres still lawsuits about all of this. And on a in a totally different way, too, its the sense of were now seeing stories theres a story in the New York Times today in a very nice and in an interesting way where someone with resources is going out and buying up the worlds great art, a remarkable story. 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