Hours later the White House sent a letter to top House Democrat saying their proceedings are unfair and unconstitutional and refusing to cooperate further this morning the president tweeted that Sunland could not testify because the committee is a kangaroo court where true facts are not allowed out for the public because Republican allies like Congressman Jim Jordan are going that message would encourage Adam Shift about a fair process Jordan is referring to the handling of other testimony by u.s. Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker Republicans say his closed door testimony backs up the president and the public should see a transcript but Democrats including shift say little girl proves their points and to them the president is the one refusing to follow the law by blocking their investigation today shift and other Democrats announced they will subpoena Sunland indicated that blocking his testimony may be an impeachable offense itself the failure to produce this witness. The failure to produce these documents. We consider yet additional strong evidence of structure and of the constitutional functions of Congress a co-equal branch of government here are Democrats options they can hold someone or others involved in contempt then go to court to try to compel testimony that is something that often takes years to resolve or at some point Democrats could consider it all obstruction and move directly to articles impeachment on that charge Meantime Republicans in the Capitol are making decisions to in the Senate Trump defender Lindsey Graham of South Carolina today invited the president's attorney Rudy Giuliani to testify to the Senate Judiciary Committee about how he sees corruption in Ukraine on impeachment the White House and Congress are talking about substance but clearly making strategic decisions about the choreography and Lisa joins me now along with our White House correspondent you mean. So you mean to you 1st the White House today blocking ambassador saloon saying he cannot testify what does this say about how they plan to handle everything that the Congress is trying to do. The president is making it crystal clear that he does not plan to comply the end with any document requests coming from Democrats related to his impeachment inquiry and also making it clear that he will block witnesses because he does not think the Democrats are going to walk this fairly Now I want to read parts of the White House's letter to House Democrats that was released just a couple moments ago I want to now walk you through what it says it says that the Democrats' impeachment inquiry is quote constitutionally invalid and violates basic goos process Rice and the separation of powers it also says that the inquiry quote seeks to reverse the election of 2016 and to influence the election of 2020 it also says of the president did nothing wrong and there is quote no legitimate basis for impeachment inquiry so the White House is now making the case that the president if he had due process would be allowed to cross-examine witnesses would be allowed to look at evidence would be allowed to call his own witnesses and it's also clear that the White House though has not exactly decided how it will cooperate and what it will corroborate because this letter stops short of saying that the House has to have a floor vote on the teacher inquiry and it's a few moments ago I put the question to the White House what will make you cooperate if the House did hold a floor vote would you then provide documents and the White House said well that's a hypothetical if you we might look at that in the future so it's not clear what would make the White House actually a cooperate and stop blocking witnesses so Elise we now see the administration saying we're not going to cooperate don't walling in effect How is the House how are Democrats reacting when looking at my phone because honestly as you me she was speaking now I have sources confirming now looks like with this social release that House Democrats have in fact issued a subpoena for Gordon Funland our u.s. Ambassador to the e.u. So they are getting ready for this fight Democrats have to consider as we've laid out in this report whether they start moving toward contempt and as we explained that could be a court process but also as you tonight I had more Democrats saying they are thinking seriously about something called inherent content were Congress operates without a court and start to say. Scene fees to those officials of Reeves are not cooperate and that does send out a constitutional collision that we have to watch for other thing to watch for this week the next person who is supposed to testify that is the former Ukraine embassador Matia Vonnegut's There she is she is scheduled to testify Friday and you would think because of the White House's position there's not a lot of chance but I talked to some Democrats tonight who said they actually are hopeful that she will appear one other note in all of this we had some news about the mother report today I want to show this court ruling that came out today from a court in Washington d.c. This is a court ruling directing the Department of Justice to start giving some more information to House Democrats that they are requesting in the mall or investigation in some ways scolding the Department of Justice for withholding some of that information is not the bolt that they wanted but it's sort of for Democrats that's progress so interesting because we thought that was in the past but we see it still living in so many words so you meet separately news reports today that the White House is has been talking to or even hiring outside legal counsel to help them deal with this impeachment matter what are we learning about that. It looks like the White House is starting to develop an impeachment inquiry plan that's going to be both messaging any legal strategy presidents in the past have hired outside legal counsel we were waiting to see if the White House was going to do that and now it looks like President Trump is going to be looking at hiring outside counsel and that's because this is all really deepening you had today reports that there was a lawyer wrote remember saying that after the call of the President Trump had with the president of Ukraine that White House officials were visibly shaken and that they thought it was crazy and they were frightened by the fact that the president allegedly tried to pressure the president of Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden for his own political gain so what you have there is some firsthand knowledge as well as some as well as a memo that's now coming out of the White House is really trying to figure out how to deal with all of this on top of all that Rudy Giuliani says that he's going to be thinking possibly about taking Lindsey Graham up on his offer and coming to testify before the Senate he said he's not decided whether or not he's them do that but that also could be a legal issue that the White House now has to have more lawyers to more lawyers to deal with so much to look at and Lisa separately from all of this today you have the Senate Intelligence Committee issuing its report finally looking at Russian interference in the 2016 election we've heard about it before but what is in this new report the intelligence committee broke up its reports and this one today is focused on the use of social media and look quickly at their conclusions this is a bipartisan report that's one thing that's critical about this Republicans agreed with these conclusions there was a calculator's salt on the u.s. Number one the goal was to harm candidate Hillary Clinton and to support a candidate Donald Trump and also that it was sanctioned by the Kremlin to be all of that significant because some of this is what the White House has not always agreed with but here we have a bipartisan conclusion some unexpected I think new information in this report one more few more things to look at they believe they found that the most targeted group in America was African-Americans part of the Russians and by which a focus on black Americans also the senators here both parties imploring the White House to act now across all agencies and they say Congress needs to come up with a better data security law overall And just quickly I mean what are they saying at the at the White House about this. The White House is now has not commented on this report coming from the Senate and that's that's a pattern because the president has been loath to talk about Russian interference in the 2016 election because he thinks that it hurts his legitimacy as president he doesn't like talking about that the White House says that the this is the White House that has pushed back on Russia and other countries trying to interfere in the 26000 election and in the 2020 election but it is really important to note that in their letter to the House Democrats they're actually now accusing the n.c. Closely and others of doing what Russia is accused of doing in 2016 they say the Democrats are trying to influence the 2020 election with this impeachment inquiry so what you have is I'm not commenting on this but also making making the argument that this is what Democrats are now doing so much to follow today so much Tuesday I think it's only Tuesday you know Michelle Senator Lisa Desjardin Thank you. And that is other news the u.s. Supreme Court heard arguments on whether workers can be fired for being gay lesbian bisexual or transgender at issue is whether they are covered by the 1964 Civil Rights Act a decision is expected by early next summer we will discuss all of this right after the news summary Turkey move troops into position today for an offensive against Kurdish forces in northeastern Syria that was after President trying to order u.s. Troops out of the area the Turks say they want to safe zone free of the Kurds who helped defeat the Islamic state group today Turkish soldiers and artillery deployed to towns on the border with Syria officials said they had finalized all preparations. Hong Kong's chief executive is warning that she might have to call in the Chinese military if violent protests continue new trouble flared over the weekend and through Monday aimed at a ban on face masks over night riot police tried to clear the streets of anti-government protesters hours later chief executive Kerry Lam would not rule out asking China to intervene I still strongly feel that we should find the solutions of steps that that is also the position of the central government that Hong Kong should tackle the problem on her own. But if the situation becomes so that. Then no options. If we want Hong Kong to at least to have another chance Hong Kong Police say more than $200.00 shops and public utilities have been damaged since Friday tensions are still running high between China and the u.s. National Basketball Association it stems from a tweet by Daryl Morey the Houston Rockets general manager supporting the Hong Kong protesters n.b.a. Commissioner Adam Silver defended Morey's rights today saying he is quote apologetic about the reaction but not about the tweet itself we are not apologizing for Daryl exercising his freedom of expression I regret again having communicated directly with many friends in China that so many people are upset Chinese state broadcaster c.c.t.v. Shot back that any challenge to China's sovereignty and stability is not covered by free speech it also announced that it will not air 2 n.b.a. Exhibition games in China this week the United States imposed visa restrictions today on Chinese officials linked to a crackdown on Muslim leaders in a statement Secretary of State Mike Pompei o condemned what he called a campaign of raw. Pression just yesterday the u.s. Commerce Department added 28 Chinese public security bureau and companies to a trade blacklist over the same issue the new sanctions came just before new trade talks with China and sent a shudder through Wall Street the Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 314 points to close at 26164 The Nasdaq fell 132 points and the s. And p. 500 dropped 45 the number of migrants stopped at the u.s. Southern border declined in September for the 4th month in a row the Customs and Border Protection Agency says that it was 52000 down from 144000 last May more than 45000 migrants are waiting in Mexico while their asylum claims are processed and the 2900 no bell Prize for physics goes to 3 scientists whose work bears on the search for life beyond Earth Canadian American James Peebles at Princeton University was honored today for research into the evolution of the universe to Swiss astronomers were recognized for being the 1st to find a planet beyond the solar system in 1905 Still to come on The News Hour what is on the line is the Supreme Court hears arguments on the rights of l g b t Americans the deadly protests in Iraq why our citizens mobilizing in the face of gunfire a wide ranging conversation with Hillary and Chelsea Clinton and much more. This is day 2 of the United States Supreme Court's new term and already the justices are grappling with one of the highest stakes questions on its docket is about Title 7 of the 1964. Civil Rights Act which bars employers from discriminating against employees on the basis of sex but does title 7 also protect against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity William Branham starts their . The demonstrations outside the Supreme Court today reflected just how high stakes these cases are several argued this morning they're the most significant l.g.b. T.q. Rights cases since 2015 when the Court legalized same sex marriage nationwide Journal boss stock is a welfare case worker from Georgia he initiated one of the lawsuits that made it to the court today he said he was fired because he's gay we're talking about millions and millions of people that go to work every day they're full are being fired for who they are how they identify and who they love and that's wrong another of the lawsuits was initiated by Amy Stevens she is transgender and said she was fired from a Michigan funeral home after beginning her transition but a lawyer representing the funeral home says title 7 does not apply here Americans should be able to rely on what the law says 1st it was unelected government officials now it is the a.c.l.u. That seeks to redefine sex in federal law a change that Congress has repeatedly rejected inside the courtroom today as always was Marcia Coyle of the National Law Journal and she joins me now Marcia Welcome back as always thank you for the argument today is whether title 7 which bans job discrimination on the basis of sex could also include protecting sexual orientation right is that the argument today that's right William does that language sex in compas for discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity and as we heard from one of the plaintiffs who basically argued I was fired because I'm gay and thus under Title 7 I should be protected right any other plaintiffs you heard from Amy Stevens because she was she claims she was fired because of her gender identity that she had transitioned from male to female. And today. William there were 2 hours of arguments the court had consolidated 2 cases involving sexual orientation for one hour and then the case on gender identity for a 2nd hour and the arguments were fascinating fast quick pathbreaking we heard for the 1st time words like transgender sister gender and even the words of the 1st time those have been uttered in the my words or some I've ever heard interesting and I've been covering the court a long time the l g b t Q community is arguing here that because a sex that this is plain statutory interpretation case that the text of Title 7 because the sex applies in the best way to explain it was probably Pam Karlan who argued for those plaintiffs today on sexual orientation in which she said if I'm a if an employer fires a male employer employee because he dates men but doesn't fire a female employee who dates Ned and then that employer has discriminated against the man because the employer is treating that man worse than the female employee and it's because of sex because of the firing is based on the employee the male employees failure to conform to the employer's expectation of the male sex is behavior and it's very similar in terms of the gender identity case to any Stevens they say was fired because the sex she was fired because of her biological sex at birth if she had had a different sex female she she would not have been treated as she would have been treated differently she would have been fired so and also in her case there's an additional element she claims she was fired because she did not conform to the funeral home owner's. Expectations of how. Men and women should look act and behave and that's illegal stereotyping under Title 7 So those are the arguments on one side the Trump administration and the employer lawyers are saying no the text of Title 7 supports us too in 1964 when Congress and acted the law sex was biological male and female only those 2 absolutely sexual orientation and gender identity they say are independent distinct traits or characteristics that are not covered by the language of Title 7 and how did the justices seem to respond to this idea of sort of broadening the the definition of Title 7 Well I think there were 3 sort of considerations 1st on the meaning of the language the text you had just discourses for example he said he thought the textual evidence here was very very close but he didn't say close to what So we're not quite sure where where he is where is Justice Kagan said she thought it was quite clear and the title 7 is very simple it says because of sex and if you've been treated or discriminated against. But for your sex then Title 7 there to protect you against that discrimination the 2nd concern seemed to be the role of the court itself Justice Alito said to the lawyers for the q. Plaintiffs if we rule for you some people are going to say this is a big policy issue this is something Congress should be dealing with Congress has considered or has failed to consider this despite requests over a number of years if we rule we're acting like a legislator but then you had justice to my or saying at a later point sort of in response to that at what point does a court stop it step in to stop invidious discrimination and finally I thing. The court was concerned about what might be the impact if they do rule for the cute community there were a lot of hypotheticals about well what's going to happen to sex segregated bathrooms sex segregated athletic teams dress codes and the lawyers for the plaintiffs here the victims here seem to be telling the justices look that's not nice cases right now we're talking about the workplace Title 7 those cases may come to you later no matter how you rule but right now we're talking about straight statutory interpretation and depending on how the justices rule on this I mean this could impact a huge number of employees across the country this is incredibly important to the these workers I think fewer than half of the states have in their own laws workplace protections for l b t l g b d Q workers and so that leaves an enormous and I think almost $8000000.00 employees without protection from workplace discrimination So yes the stakes are huge so this is obviously an enormous case we know there's a huge turn with guns and immigration and abortion so I know we will be seeing a lot more of you in the future Marsha Coyle as always thank you always a pleasure. Young people in Iraq have turned their country upside down over the past week they've taken to the streets demanding better social services and more economic opportunities clashes with security forces have sometimes turned violent and deadly with many protesters killed one question is who is doing the killing on one of us examines why these protests are happening now. The streets of Baghdad were silent today after a week of deadly protests that rocked the nation from the capital and beyond. To our south of Iraq the city of not just grief stricken families bury their loved ones. He is exactly like the other protestors they shoot the innocent and the criminals together people are protesting for income and bread look at the youth every day they go out in the thousands What is the result. More than a 100 people have been killed in the worst violence since the defeat of the Islamic state 2 years ago but this was not the result of insurgency or terrorism but started as peaceful protest last week demanding an end to rampant corruption unemployment and a lack of basic services violently shifted into clashes with security forces and armed groups. In response the Iraqi government pledged to add public sector jobs and today approved a grant for employment development but it may not be enough protesters pin the blame on corrupt leaders they say don't represent them despite the country's oil wealth much of Iraq's 40000000 people live in dire conditions that we went out protesting because we are in pain and suffering there is no electricity no jobs and people are dying of starvation people are sick it is a curse analysts say the government's dismissal of a widely respected Iraqi general. The help set off the protest was key to the ISIS fight leaders of 2 major political parties including one led by Shiite cleric others have called for the government to resign. Back in 2016 Souther inspired widespread protests in Iraq last fall Iraqis in the southern city of Basra took to the streets to protest corrupt leaders and a lack of basic services but life an adviser to Prime Minister Abdullah Abdullah the said this round of protests are leaderless and a political the younger generation those who went. They were all. In a period when they got nothing about Saddam Hussein. Because it is election issues they see the world through their Facebook and. They see how the rest of the world is living and the questions are very very simple is that each country why are we in such a mess Iraqi born expert I was in Baghdad for an economic conference last week he said the factors that led to these protests are decades in the making Iraq has been having war turmoil economy car of our Since the 1980s depleted country. Witnessed the invasion of the United States the change of government. Led to lack of security terrorism. 15 years of. The uprising is the biggest political challenge for the prime minister since he assumed office last year last weekend Iraq's parliament speaker met with representatives of the protest movement in an attempt to calm the unrest and Iraqi authorities lifted a days long curfew and internet blackout on Saturday now Iraqi Prime Minister Abdullah mathy said he was willing to respond to the protesters demands he promised jobs for graduates but also said. There was no magic solution for the country's problems in the short term I think this will calm a lot of people of course it doesn't sold the fundamentals of. Hundreds more protesters took to the streets in Baghdad Sutter city district on Monday demanding new jobs in denouncing the killings of protesters. In the Iraqi police responded influence using live bullets and water cannons against the protesters Iraqi president bought himself condemned the attacks on protesters. For this Tuesday and the government in the security forces reaffirm that there have been no orders to fire at protesters and it is not been issued by the country in their instruments therefore those who are committing these actions are criminals and outlaws was. Not the rocky Federal Police warned last week that flight separate from the security forces were shooting at protesters but it's unclear if the snipers or rogue elements of the police were foreign aid knowing the nature of who is in charge right now Prime Minister and the minister of interior These are not people who are putting snipers on top of buildings to assess and I. Test or so that is definitely the work of terrorists groups or sleeping cells for now the streets remain quiet but the rage here may yet reignite putting greater pressure on a government already on edge for the p.b.s. News Hour on the Nevada's. Stay with us coming up on the News Hour the difficulty of studying for a degree while facing the possibility of deportation. They are a family that has captured the American political spotlight for decades now former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her daughter Chelsea are out with a new book gutsy women We'll discuss that in a moment but when I sat down with the 2 earlier today in New York City I began by asking Secretary Clinton about today's developments in the impeachment inquiry if the Trump administration has the authority to block the American ambassador to the European Union Gordon someone from speaking with Congress. I don't believe they do I think that there's quite a bit of precedent in legal decisions that the Congress has an inherent power to seek evidence from witnesses with respect to their investigations and most particularly an impeachment inquiry I understand that the Trump administration doesn't want people talking to the Congress but I recall Judy that back in the Nixon impeachment one of the articles of impeachment against President Nixon was his contempt of Congress for refusing to cooperate with the investigation so I think they can they can slow walk it they can try to block it there's already enough evidence about what former ambassador someone was saying about the effort to threaten the next door to the president of Ukraine through text messages and e-mails that certainly the house can go on that but I also think that at some point there needs to be a reinforcement of the legal precedent that the administration must cooperate you have said that the impeachment process should go forward. You've also said that you think what happened in that phone call where President Trump was asking the leader of Ukraine in effect to investigate Joe Biden and his son for implicitly in return for receiving u.s. Military aid why not just go ahead and say whether or not you favor impeaching the president well because I served on an impeachment inquiry staff as a young lawyer back in 1994 I think it is really important to respect the process and to support the opening of the inquiry which I do and the gathering of evidence and then the weighing of that evidence from my perspective it appears as though what the House is doing is very much in line with the. Use of the impeachment power so I don't they don't want to jump to a conclusion it's appears to me that there is evidence of abuse of power and obstruction of justice and contempt of Congress but we do want the House impeachment inquiry to proceed in a way that tries to build credibility with the American people and also with Republican members of the House and the Senate well can you think of a non impeachable interpretation or a benign interpretation of what that call was about No well I also want to ask you because you're the former secretary of state what about the role of secretary pump aoe being on that call at the time. Well he 1st of all didn't admit that he had been on the call Ventura Lee he did and there were a number of people on the call part of the telling evidence in this case is that immediately after the call the people who were either listening in or listening to Trump's end of the call knew that they had problems which is why they tried to basically conceal the call within a highly classified system so pump a.o. Was in on it he knew from the beginning that this was a problem it's really a shame that he has substituted the defense of trump for the defense of diplomacy the defense of our country literally doing the job that a secretary of state should do former Vice President Joe Biden clearly a part of this his name came up during that call. Whether he did or didn't do anything wrong and there's no proof that he did President Trump keeps bringing that up is there an optical problem for Joe Biden because his son was in a position to be making a lot of money from a company that was in a foreign country you know Judy this is the goal of the Trump strategy it is to raise questions there is no evidence that either one of them did anything wrong could there be a question of judgment by about his son well that's fair game but there is absolutely no evidence and there there will not be any evidence that Joe Biden did anything wrong anough with these wild unfounded conspiracy theories using the help of foreign governments to interfere in our elections and to undermine people who have been in the public eye for a long time and I hope that the American public rejects this as they should Secretary Clinton as I'm sure you know there are plenty of Republicans and even some Democrats who are saying despite all this that it is. Easy to be pursuing impeachment because whatever the House does there just are not going to be enough votes in the Senate I understand that argument but I don't buy it and the reason I don't buy it is that. The founders put impeachment into the Constitution for a purpose it was put there for a purpose and I think Speaker Pelosi has been very careful not to rush to that there were many things that came up structured and justice as outlined in the Mahler report emoluments all of these things that were circling around but I think she rightly waited for something that not only was understandable by the American public but really went to the heart of our national security of the role of the president to protect and defend the American people on the constitution so yes Will there be a decision well that's up to the house but I recall back in 74 the full vote never went to the House the House committee voted to impeach Richard Nixon and at that point after the evidence had been presented after several Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee voted for the articles of impeachment Republicans senators went to Richard Nixon and said you need to resign. So we don't know sitting here today what the outcome will be unfortunately I don't know that we have Republicans with the same level of patriotism putting country over party that we did back in 74 but we don't want to prejudge that you've both been through impeachment in your own family President Clinton how is this time different from what President Clinton with this is a much more serious. Set of charges than anything that was ever put forward against Bill and I think the American people got that this is a very different time and as a former secretary of state I just want Americans to stop and think why are we allowing this president to in effect undermine our sovereignty turning over foreign policy to foreign governments what he just did with the Kurds empowering Turkey and Russia against our staunchest allies in the Middle East why are we sitting silently by and watching this president do Lattimer Putin's bidding I mean there is no happier man in the world right now than Putin why are we watching this unfortunate trade battle with China now being infected with his plea that China investigate Biden this is no longer just about the crazy stuff he says and does that everybody shrugs out or worries about this is a direct threat to the national security of America and I think that's what's gotten people's attention so certainly among Democrats but now increasingly among. Independents and even growing numbers of Republicans are saying wait a minute this must go forward as all this is going on President Trump continues to come after you and his speeches and his tweets and you've been tough on him as well I think you called him recently a corrupt here when. He's come back. That you do this several times in fact he tweeted just this morning and I'm going to quote he said I think that crooked Hillary Clinton should try to enter the race to try and steal it away from left Elizabeth Warren only one condition the crooked one must explain all of her high crimes and misdemeanors including how and why she deleted 33000 e-mails Yeah you know it truly is remarkable how obsessed he remains with me but this latest tweet is so typical of him nothing has been more examined and looked at than my e-mails we all know that so he's either lying or delusional or both there was no subpoena as he says in a tweet this morning. So maybe there doesn't need to be a rematch I mean obviously I can beat him again but you know I just seriously I don't understand I don't think anybody understands. What motivates him other than personal grievance other than seeking adulation and you know I said during the campaign there was no other Donald Trump what you saw was what you were going to get and I think a lot of Americans understandably thought Oh no come on that can't possibly be the case you know once he's in office he will certainly moderate his behavior Well we've seen no he hasn't Secretary Clinton yesterday President made big news by announcing that his policy was going to be to clear the way for the Turkish government to send its troops into Syria that the u.s. Troops are going to get out of the way so essentially they can go in after the Syrian Kurds who they view as terrorists of course the Syrian Kurds have been very helpful to the United States in the conflict in that region but what's at stake here for the United States well I thought that the announcement that President Trump made that he was ordering the withdrawal of American troops. Northern Syria and in effect giving a green light to the Turks under president ever to want to go in with their military was a betrayal a betrayal of the strongest allies that we have in the region we would not have defeated ISIS by this time if it had not been for the Kurds who are our partners and allies even though Turkey long time u.s. Ally NATO ally you're saying the Kurd the interest of the courage should be placed above the relationship with Turkey in this instance the Turks have made very clear that they are going to engage in a broad based attack on the Syrian Kurds it's a direct threat to our national security to the blood sweat and loss that Americans have already committed to trying to beat the Islamic state so they are certainly a NATO ally but they've been you know taking weapons from Russia they have been using the Kurdish problem to. Bolster the reign of error to one so it's more complicated and if there were to be a decision about withdrawing American troops it should have been subjected to the kind of player full deliberation that we made in the Obama administration or that I know from prior administrations before being announced after the president has a phone call with their No one for all we know in that phone call he asked the Turks to investigate Joe Biden I mean we can't trust anything he says but the consequences of this decision are incredibly damaging for the United States you think he might have asked him I have no idea who knows what he says to people you know he is a loose cannon now in a even more dangerous way than he was let's talk about the book that's the women the 2 of you came together. You both talked about how you discussed as Chelsea was growing up strong women gutsy women as role models in effect Chelsea I was struck by your mother when I think it was her comment about Abby a while back in the book The Star American soccer player and you said I'm quoting she's powerful and she knows it she doesn't apologize for it the way the way women are so often taught to do is this still a problem do you think for young women today do they still feel the need to apologize for being themselves I think unfortunately yes I think we know actually how sadly affect is kind of so much of what still exists in these guys telling women that we need to modulator voice be aware of how we drag us and of pay more attention to how we present ourselves in the world 1st as kind of the substance of what we feel compelled to say or do one of the reasons why we felt so compelled to rate in the book of gutsy women was to share stories of women who are unapologetically themselves and then have used their stories to help propel progress for other women behind them Secretary Clinton you've been advocating for women I think your entire career did you think at this stage of your life you would still be having to fight this fight Well I hoped not but I agree with Chelsea that it is still a very big challenge to women of all ages but particularly young women and this book truly is meant to spark a conversation about gutsy women trying to get people to think about who are the women they know in their own lives and their in their own workplaces their education wherever it might be who they admire or who they think have not only stood up for herself which is the 1st step but more importantly in our eyes standing up for others. Trying to open doors for others to come behind but And Judy I would just say you know today we have the terms of ministration arguing at the Supreme Court that employers should be permitted to fire people based on who they love or their gender identity and the fact that they're arguing this kind of while we're in the midst of just an epidemic of violence against particularly black trans women is horrifying to me that our government is on and of the side of exclusion and segregation and not on the side of kind of human rights and human dignity and I don't view history is particularly troubling to me as you grew up you obviously saw your mother doing this kind of advocacy did you think at this stage in your life you would still be making these arguments I wish that I could say when I was a little girl I was kind of projecting forward a couple of decades but I don't think I was although it was pretty shocking to me to do when my dad ran in 1902 and how many largely older white men attacked me for my appearance and called me awkward or ugly or compared me to the family dog and you know it was on kind of conventional right left it was Rush Limbaugh and Saturday Night Live and thankfully you know my parents my grandparents had kind of instilled enough in me that I knew that that was bonkers like why were these men attacking a little girl but it did shock me because I realize wow like I'm being judged by how they're kind of perceiving my appearance and they know nothing about me and I would like to say that we've moved beyond that but we see what's happening to growth in Bergen other young women kind of in the public eye and sadly we haven't moved beyond that adults are still behaving deplorably when it comes to young women who are putting themselves out there or who have kind of been put into the public arena by choice is their families have made and so I think unfortunately still a lot of work to do. Chelsea Clinton Secretary Hillary Clinton thank you both very much thank you very much your. Next month the Supreme Court will hear arguments on the Obama era program called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals or Dhaka which is protected hundreds of thousands of individuals also known as dreamers they were brought to the u.s. By their parents illegally when they were children the issue before the court is whether the Trump administration acted legally when it sought to terminate the program in 2017 since then Dhaka has been closed to new in Rowley's Horace ring of Austin recently traveled to Ohio to speak with Dhaka students about their experiences it's the latest in our special series on rethinking college and it's part of our regular education segment making the grade. After you decide you want to know how to review like many college students 19 year old Jamie Rodriguez has a lot on his plate he's taking a full course load the semester at Lorain County Community College in Ohio in the evenings he practices with the school's soccer team but unlike most of his peers Rodriguez is pursuing a degree and a future in a country he May 1 day be forced to leave and I know there are a couple of things I wanted to follow up on and that is your paperwork for Rodriguez is a doc a beneficiary his parents brought him to the u.s. From Mexico in 2002 when he was a year and a half old he's never been back to Mexico. Where. He wants to be the 1st person in his family to graduate from college but those plans were almost a rail last year when he and his father who is also on documented were caught up in a federal ice raid while working at a garden center Jimmy's dad caught some of the raid on his cell phone and said Jimmy. Because he was protected by Dr Rodriguez was released but his father was detained for several months he has been given a temporary work permit while he awaits his next immigration hearing. According to the Migration Policy Institute about 98000 dreamers graduate from high school. Many enter the workforce right away but it's estimated 20 percent of beneficiaries are enrolled in college. And afternoon University. A small student group met nearby to discuss their goals for the upcoming school year. Before leaders of the newly formed community of progressive empowerment organization which advocates for undocumented students are all protected by their These kids. So there. Is a junior. She prefers to go only by her 1st name due to concerns about her family's safety Liz has lived in Ohio since she came to the u.s. From Mexico when she was one. She's been on the dean's list and has a 3.7 grade point average type of academic performance would help most students get financial aid but not dreamers the number one challenge. And a lot of. A lot of. Well student but Ohio allows doctor recipients to qualify for in-state tuition if they meet residency requirements $23.00 other states and the District of Columbia have laws or university system policies that allow undocumented students to qualify for in-state tuition Liz wants to become an engineer but she says it can be hard to stay focused when faced with the possibility of deportation it's a lot of anxiety knowing that you might not graduate you have this long term goal but it's not you can't work harder and get it you can't study harder and get it it's just completely out of your control it's not just undergrads who are concerned but you're hoping to build a database of researchers can use to fight cancer 22 year old Han Gil is a doctor recipient who's applying for a Ph d. Programs while working at a lab on campus the recent Ohio State grad who also prefers to go only by her 1st name was born in Korea and has been in the u.s. Since the age of 4 she and other Dhaka beneficiaries must reapply every 2 years the programs I'm looking into are minimum 5 and reapplying costs money it's hard for me to have any confidence and when I'm going to do in the future when I can even have the basics of knowing if I'm even going to be here those kinds of concerns are all too common for undocumented students as you land as a paid she's assistant vice provost in the office of diversity and inclusion at Ohio State University what I find is our students have to work a lot of in order to. Just pay for their schooling that can very much extend the time to degree and I have seen students who started out very enthused and very determined. And over time they just get tired from Ohio State University does not disclose the number of Enrolled doctors students and many dreamers choose not to reveal their status but there are campus programs aimed at giving them support a lot. Taking your own initiative to make sure that undocumented student concerns are getting into the daily life at the university and around 300 faculty staff and students have participated in a voluntary training program to become allies for undocumented students Ohio State language professor and a bagel offer they can run into problems with court dates if they have a court date and they don't want to tell their professor what's going on in their life you know maybe a complex with an exam or with a required class period many language departments traditionally have requirements for study abroad and undocumented students just can't do that as Ohio State and other schools try to help dreamers they're aware that immigration policy is contentious They also know that there are many who want to. Support the trumpet ministrations efforts to do so I think present acted correctly in ending the program. As a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation in d.c. a Conservative think tank he has concerns among other things about universities giving in-state tuition to undocumented students. Doesn't ban colleges and universities state ones from providing in-state tuition to aliens who are here illegally but it does say that if they do that they have to provide in-state tuition to citizens who are from other states that provision is never been enforced by the u.s. Justice Department while the political battles are being fought life goes on at universities for now civil engineering major Liz is keeping focused on her studies for me my number one goal is to do as much as I can and try as hard as I can to graduate. And I'll do that and to wait until the last 2nd but I can't. Lose Jimmy and many other dreamers across the u.s. Will be waiting anxiously for the Supreme Court's decision on Dhaka expected by next summer for the p.b.s. News Hour I'm in Columbus Ohio. 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News I'm Jeremy Siegel 2 years to the day after deadly wildfires tore through wine country Pacific Gas and Electric has announced it will shut off power to nearly $800000.00 customers in an effort to prevent wildfires caused by their equipment with windy dry weather in the forecast and warnings of extreme fire danger p.g. And e. Says it will start turning off power to $34.00 counties in northern and central California after midnight tonight customers are being told to prepare for multiple day outages even after the weather passes San Francisco is the only county in the Bay Area will power will not be affected this will be the largest preventative outage in state history and that's creating anxiety up north in the Sierra Nevada foothills were nearly one year ago the utilities equipment caused the deadliest and most destructive fire in state history cuties Michelle Wiley has more from Butte County and a meeting in Chico school counselors from across Butte County gathered to discuss strategies for the anniversary of the camp fire but before they could get started on that many in the room brought up being Sidey fear and anger people in the county irks perience thing to do p.g. And E.'s plan to power shut offs Valerie Krause who is the nearby Oroville says that's because people have lost trust in the utility yes I really do think they're trying to prevent something from happening but is this really the answer and this many people affected p.g. Has told residents to be prepared. For a be multiple day outage I'm Michelle Wiley k.q.e.d. News for more on the preemptive power outages go to our website k.q.e.d. News dot org And Jeremy Siegel support comes from total line and more with hard to find microbrews and imported beers now open in Stevens Creek marketplace is coming up next here on k.q.e.d. And then it for 35 on All Things Considered some State Department officials are being blocked from testifying in the House impeachment inquiry. K.q.e.d. San Francisco k.q.e.d. I North Highlands Sacramento it's 4 o'clock. If I wanted to. Hear. Also. From American Public Media. We're starting today. Where the lights. On half a 1000000 people tomorrow it's dry and windy in Northern California and the state's largest electric utility Pacific Gas and Electric says it may turn off the power to prevent fires it's. Potentially several devastating wildfires in recent years if p.g. And e. Flips office which this week it would be by far the state's biggest preventative power outage and as climate change makes fire seasons hurricanes and extreme weather across the country this isn't an isolated story for homes schools or businesses. Marketplace's Megan McCarty Corrino has more on what happens when the plug gets pulled Becky Urbano is keeping a close eye on her phone so long as it still has juice the Oakland resident has been alerted her home and 2 kids' schools could lose power in the outage really we're kind of on call if Howard goes out we have to go get the kids and they come home there's really no other option for us work will have to take the backseat for Banos family and much of the region a report from utility research firm.