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Organize your sweaters announcer its the late show with Stephen Colbert tonight, stephen welcomes jamie dornan javier munoz and Malcom Gladwell featuring jon batiste and stay human and now from ed sullivan theater in new york city, its Stephen Colbert cheers and applause captioning sponsored by cbs stephen come on out come on out cheers and applause whoo yeah nice cheers and applause thanks everybody whats going on . cheers and applause hey, everybody hey down there thank you so much cheers and applause hey welcome to the late show, everybody thank you so much thank you mark welcome to the late show. Im Stephen Colbert. You guys been paying attention to the newst a all this past week . A lot going on. A little late on that answer. laughter it was a rough week for donald trump. cheering isnt it nice . People know its a rough week, theyre trying to cheer him up. laughter trump was ridden hard and put away wet this week. And it looks like all the controversies are taking their toll, with reports that Trumps Campaign staff, Even Campaign manager paul manafort, feel like they are wasting their time. and that trumps staff is suicidal. laughter theyd jump off the building but theyre afraid theyd see the word trump on the way down. laughter im sure they dont mean it. Im sure theyre fine. Right . Of course, trump denies anything is wrong. So i just want to tell you, the campaign is doing really well. Its never been so well united. Stephen yes, the campaigns all united and right behind him just like in that movie, whats it called . Human centipede. Right. Right . laughter applause theyre batting cleanup, shall we say. laughter and on cbs this morning this morning on cbs, manafort may have finally cracked. Youre a lifelong republican. I mean, youve served for president s, in the past, for years. I mean, do you support Speaker Paul Ryan . Look. I support him as the speaker and i know after next week, im going to be supporting him as a candidate for president , too i mean for really . laughter stephen ha ha its funny because, god, i hope its true. But theres good news out of the Trump Campaign trump and his party raised 82 million last month, much of it from small donations, with supporters pitching in 10 to 25 apiece. And they can feel good knowing that every dollar will help donald trump reach his ultimate goal attack ads against paul ryan. Whats trumps fundraising secret . Well, a cnn reporter spoke to one of his donors, who said, unfortunately, i set up a recurring political contribution on Donald Trumps website, and theres no place on the website to stop the recurring payment. Oops supporting trump is like joining a gym, only its democracy that isnt working out. laughter speaking of not working out, im about to go on vacation, and i was looking forward to it, until i saw that Orlando Bloom stole my vacation plans. Take a look paddleboarding fully naked with his girlfriend katy perry. My google alert finally paid off. Theres nothing like a photo of Orlando Bloom paddleboarding naked alongside katy perry in sardinia to remind you celebrities. Theyre nothing like us. applause now, i dont want to rush to judgment im sure there was a practical reason for paddleboarding al fresco. Perhaps he needed an extra rudder, or maybe hes trying to tan his little legolas. This is a family show, so im not going to show that picture again, but i will show this one. Wow. Im not judging, but i think that rectangle means his butt crack is shaped like a penis. Dont worry, orlando didnt spend his whole day paddleboarding naked. He also played on the rocks naked laughter theres a guy who is not afraid of scorpions. And weve just received the rest of Orlando Blooms vacation photos. Here he is, admiring the sistene chapel. After that, he decided to do some woodworking. Then he went bungee jumping, and then finished off the day with a little archery. cheers and applause anyway, Orlando Bloom and katy perry, i wish the three of you a happy summer. Stick around. When we come back, we will be Holding Donald trump accountable for a grave injustice to children. Youre going to want to see this one. cheers and applause this summer, tmobiles throwing a galaxy free for all. Right now get a free Samsung Galaxy for everyone in the family. You heard right a free Samsung Galaxy with every new line. And get 4 lines with 6 gigs each for just 30 bucks a line. Plus everybody gets unlimited streaming from their favorite services. Dont wait get a free Samsung Galaxy for everyone. Get to tmobile because the galaxy free for all is only for a limited time. Oh with a little bit of uh uh, and a little bit of i said, its getting hot in herre new watermelon from limearita. The bold margarita. Every day, youre thankful for the ones you love. 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You can just not feel bad when that music plays. Thank you so much. What a great way to kick off the summer in almost august. laughter is it august . Its august right now . I have been eating out of too many aluminum pots. Okay. laughter guys, let me ask you you like music . Yeah. Stephen thought you would. You will love this next story. Donald trump has based his campaign on his success as a businessman, but hes been accused by many of his vendors and contractors of not paying them for their services. Well, the latest group that might sue donald trump for nonpayment is the usa freedom kids, a patriotic girl band with a name that sounds like it came from a first generation immigrant, usa freedom number one, yes, children, kids okay usa freedom kids. You may remember the usa freedom kids performed at a trump rally earlier this year and their music sounded like a bald eagle marching on a casio keyboard. Enemies, of freedom, face the music. Come on, boys take em down President Donald Trump knows that, to make america great, deal from strength or get crushed every time stephen yeah. Deal from strength or get crushed every time. You know, kids but these young ladies have everything it takes to be a powerpop group, except a songwriter who knows where emphasis goesonwords. Well, it turns out these children didnt deal from strength and got crushed this time because, unfortunately, for the usa freedom kids, donald trump took the free part literally. For the bands first performance at a trump rally the manager asked for 2,500 in payment. The campaign made a counteroffer how about a table where the group could presell albums . The manager took the deal. When they arrived at the venue though, there was no table. Classic trump negotiation tactic. Okay, im gonna write a number on a piece of paper and slide it across the sorry, no table. Well, folks, trump thinks he can get away with this, but im going to hold him accountable and get his attention with a flashy song and dance number. And because i dont think kids should be involved in the dirty world of politics, here with a brand new song for donald trump, please welcome the usa freedom grownups cheers and applause donald trump are you serious . ripping off some little girls thats scandalous cheers and applause stephen the usa freedom grownups, everybody well be right back with jamie dornan. Whoo with my moderate to severe crohns disease,. I was always searching for ways to manage my symptoms. I thought i had it covered. Then i realized managing was all i was doing. When i finally told my doctor, he said humira was for people like me who have tried other medications,. But still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohns disease. In clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. And many achieved remission. 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Even if youre not a customer. cheers and applause she used to be my girl she used to be me girl she used to be my girl cheers and applause stephen welcome back, everybody. My first guest plays the object of desire of millions of women in the fifty shades series. In his new movie, anthropoid, he plays an unsung hero of world war ii. Stephen please welcome jamie dornan. band playing cheers and applause she used to be my girl is this mine . Stephen this is yours. This is mine. Thats great. Stephen they look the same, but mines hot and yours is cold. Cheers. Cheers. Wow. Stephen got to stay hydrated. That is gin. Stephen yeah, thats what you requested. I just remembered. Stephen we like to keep people happy here. Yep. Stephen ive got to talk about the elephant in the room right now. Im really excited about your movie anthony anthropoid, but the elephant in the room is Orlando Blooms elephant. laughter do you know orlando . I do know him a little bit. Stephen you know him a little bit . I feel like i know him a little bit better today than i did. Stephen the reason i bring it up is that i know you follow the election, right . I do, yeah. Stephen and there is a very important election you have been involved in and it didnt go well for you. Yeah. Stephen this is in the Belfast Telegraph says fifty shades jamie dornan has second best rear in the u. S. A. That must be really hard to take. laughter tough campaign . Pretty pissed off you brought it up, to be honest. Stephen who did you lose to . I lost to tom hiddleston. Stephen you lost to the hidhiddlesbum. laughter the whole way they came about it wasnt that democratic. Stephen no vote . I dont know. I dont know who i would have voted for. Stephen really . I probably would have voted for Orlando Bloom after today. Stephen that was nice. Although we didnt see much of it because of the rectangle. Stephen exactly. We dont know if that water was cold or warm. We have no idea. True. Im sure there is a web site you could find out. Stephen probably cant say legally what they. Are true. No, we could have done a live show, been on stage. Stephen well, i have a live show, we have a stage right here. cheering please, come on its never too early to campaign for next year. If you go first, ill go. Stephen if i go first . You go. I will. cheering stephen well. Please dont do it. Stephen well, no, i cant possibly. I wont even show my ankles at my age. laughter this is as close to my butt as you get. Have you finished shooting . Because we have johnson on here. You got hammered. Stephen we did shots of tequila. Noy you gave me a pint of gin. Stephen do we have any tequila . All right, sorry. Okay. Stephen come back again and well drink grain alcohol. Love to. Stephen have you guys finished shooting all the movies now . We finished. We shot numbers 2 and 3 backtoback so were done. Stephen is that how you shot them backtoback . I could hear her. Stephen oh good. Which is kind of enough, you know. Stephen really . Yeah. Stephen okay. Im going to watch it. They put up a picture of Tom Hiddlestons ass for me. Stephen oh. And i said my lines to that. It was an obscure ways of making movies but it worked. Stephen your partner ways a mask shaped like Tom Hiddlestons ass nice. laughter a slightly more serious movie anthropoid, the title based on operation anthropoid which was two people in the united states, a little known but incredibly daring assassination attempt in checkscheckos lavacaia. Tell me what happened. We were to assassinate third in the reich at the time. Stephen he was such a bastard that hitler himself said that guys got a heart of iron. When were hitlers telling you to tone it down, youre pretty bad. Can you imagine . Stephen yeah. That is, like, the worst version of high praise. Stephen yeah. O this is after germany is coming and have taken over the lands. Its under nazi rule and it was unthinkable anyone would try to take someone that high up in the reich. But this operation was led by there were seven parachutists that were parachuted in and we play two of the parachutists. The clip you saw was the start of the execution of the plan to assassinate him. Weve tried to stick really closely to the story in the movie. And they the attempt was sort of botched somewhat. His gun jammed and we ended up having to throw a grenade. There was an explosion and he ended up dying a few days later from the poisoning from the shrapnel. He was the governor of bavaria at the time and ruling for the nazis. Yes. This guy was the brain child for the final solution. People credit that, why anyone would take the credit for that. But he master minded the whole thing. Stephen he dies of sepsis a few days later. Yes. Stephen the repercussions were horrendous. Yes. Stephen a town called loudeche wiped out and the town was erased because someone claimed they had been one of the assassins from that town but wasnt. No, they had no connection to the town at all. Stephen i went there a few months ago and its just a field where there was an entire town because the nazis wanted to say you do this and we eerase you from the world. Sure. Stephen yeah. O the basic question, was it worth it . I think what would have happened to checks lavacaia would have been far worse than the reprisal that happened as a result of the assassination. Stephen the parachuters were living in england. Yes. Stephen was there a connection we dont know about with the british . They were all working together. There was a czech resistance in prague and then these guys were sent by britain and they were getting their orders from london. Stephen did you these backtoback . Were you doing fifty shades and then killing nazis . Was that a backtoback situation . How do you make the switch from something super sexy to super sad . I had a break. I did come off another movie thats coming out next month straight into anthropoid, but id had a long break from fifty shades. Its a movie for netflix. Stephen sexy or sad . Ad. Stephen but so sad it might be sexy . You said it, yeah. Stephen sure, why not . Please come back some time and show us your butt. We would love it. Id love to. cheers and applause stephen thank you so much ah, here we go. cheering stephen here. Great, okay. Stephen im sure were going a little bit long here but oh, thats a lot. Thats fine. Thats fine. Youve got a whole show to do. Stephen heres to resisting tyranny. Perfect. Stephen jamie dornan, everybody anthropoid premieres august 12th cheers and applause t too hot, too cold, youre just perfect. Sleep cooler wake more refreshed, discover the new tempur breeze. Change your sleep by requesting a free sample of tempur material. Call or click today. 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Ahhhh chevy chevrolet is the most awarded car company over the last two years. I love it im just going to stay in here, is that okay . This summer find your tag and get 16 of msrp cash back on select remaining 2016 vehicles in stock. Thats over 3,700 cash back on this allnew 2016 chevy cruze find new roads at your local chevy dealer. cheers and applause stephen hey welcome back on board the love train, everybody my next guest took over for Linmanuel Miranda as the new hamilton on broadway please welcome javier munoz band playing cheers and applause stephen i was lucky to have several members of your cast on the show. How long have you been in . As hamilton as the lead. Third or fourth week at this point. Stephen yeah they all blur together. laughter cheers and applause youre part of this wellknown cultural phenomenon. Have they had to reshoot the silhouette is this. It still kind of fits. Stephen can i see your silhouette . cheers and applause nice. Now, the New York Times, our friends at the New York Times have praised your performance and called you the sexy hamilton. Besides the man bun what makes you the sexy hamilton . Man, i dont know. Thats the last adjective i think of when i think of your founding fathers. Stephen i dont know, t. J. , Thomas Jefferson yeah, this is true. Stephen we know this much. Or is everything you do just sexy at the this point . The goatee, the hair, everything . Hey, there are worst things. Stephen dont fight it. Im the sexy hamilton. I would not fight it if that was me. laughter youve got a lot of celebrity fans come to the show. Yes. Stephen one of the cool things that happened to you is when the obamas came for the first time to see it, it was you on stage, not linmanuel. Yes absolutely. Stephen because it came on the day when you were an alternate for linmanuel. Yes, i was scheduled to perform that day anyway. Stephen thats so nice. He didnt big foot you and say i think ill do it for the president. That was really generous. Absolutely generous. I think in any situation it definitely would have been the case where i would have been postponed and the originating star would have gone on. But tommy and l. In called me into the theater and tommy said the president is coming for this performance and i thought well, okay, i guess ill go on next week. And he ends with the paragraph with, we want you to perform. Which i didnt hear correctly. I said, im sorry . And immediately lin was like, and youre going to be great. Stephen oh, thats lovely. Thats lovely. applause now, this show, one of the phrases thats used to talk about the development of the show is it started as a mixed tape is one of the things people say . Yeah. Stephen you have been with this show ever since it started . Absolutely. It started with a handful of songs. There wasnt a clear idea of what it was going to become. Stephen did you think at the beginning were going to do a musical about Alexander Hamilton . No way i got the message from lin and i said, i dont think it sounds very good, buttist you so ill be there. Stephen you worked with him in the heights right . Yeah, we go back to heights days. Stephen the character of hamilton, my understanding is your opinion part of the development of that character as well from the beginning. Well, its different. Heights is different in the sense lin had been writing it for a long time before i joined the process and it really was sort of rooted in his own experience of growing up in new york. You know, so its a little different in the sense that i didnt have as much interaction with him in that specific Development Till later. Stephen but hamilton. With hamilton it was from the get. So we were tagging each other in and out of the process and the conversation was between me, lin and tommy or me, lin and andy and it was about building our choices and concepts together. Stephen what exists of the character you think that was part of what you were able to offer or bring to that Development Experience . I mean, we both play hamiltons drive but i think specifically for me the root of my drive is rooted in my own personal experience in my life. Its the fear of dying. Stephen you have a really interesting and inspiring story is that you are h. I. V. Positive. Yes. Stephen youve also beat cancer. Yes. Stephen so youve had the experience of having to think about your own death. cheers and applause how do you do that . How do you do chemo . How do you do treatments and perform at the same time . Does it drain you or feed you . I actually was fortunate enough not to need chemotherapy. I just received radiation therapy. And it did reach a point where i had to stop and surrender to my own humanity right, were not invincible, and thats when i started to be very open about what was going on because i needed to take time. I was gone for about two months. I was uber obsessed about getting back to my show and what the show became to me at that time was one of the reasons i was fighting to stay alive. I wanted it. applause stephen so now you have been what some people used to call understudy is officially called an alternate. In this situation. Stephen you were an alternate for linmanuel. Yes. Stephen do you have an alternate . I do. Stephen is there a hazing process . laughter a spanking machine or anything like that . No, we stopped using that last year. Stephen all right. Well congratulations. It was lovely to meet you. Have a great run. 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Whaaaat . no way no didnt see that coming did you . Porter ale cheese sauce, grilled onions, and bacon on a artisan potato bun. Jacks new brewhouse bacon burger, new from jack in the box. Hey, where did jack go . He was just here. band playing cheers and applause stephen my next guest tonight is the author of five New York Times bestselling books, including the tipping point, blink, and outliers. He now has a new podcast called revisionist history. Please welcome, Malcolm Gladwell band playing stephen good to see you again. Good to see you again. Stephen havent seen you for a few years. Always fun to talk to you. For a living, you say things that other people havent thought of before. Youre setting the bar awfully high. Stephen no pressure. laughter no, but blink, the the the tipping point, youve sold a lot of books. If it doesnt work, you have fooled a lot of people including me. You should write about how you do that. This is my third time no, fourth time. I was on the the other show. Stephen first time over here. Repeat guest. Stephen you are a rhpeat guest. Not here. Well see. laughter well, ive got to ask you a question. Youve got a new pod t. S. A. Called revisionist history which im very interested in. Why do a podcast . Youre one of the last guys that sells books. You and j. K. Rowling and then my cookbooks. laughter this is what hi friend charles always says you think with your eyes and you feel with your ears. Its a completely different stephen hold on. laughter think eyes, feel ears. Think about it, you write a book, you can communicate complicated ideas and people be grasp pem but you cant move people emotionally. Its very hard. Stephen what have you read a book . Your books make you think. Think of how much easier it is to make a person laugh in person. Laughing is not the bar. The high bar is crying. Tears, making someone cry stephen i disagree. You think its easier to make someone laugh than cry . Are you crazy . Stephen you dont want to make people cry. Everyone wants to make people laugh so people practice it more. First of all, i think there is five moments in my ten episodes of revisionist history where im almost certain people will cry. I cry just when i think about those moments thats such a powerful thing. Stephen what you just said is better than what i do for a living. laughter no no, no no. applause stephen what was the most powerful interview you did with javier . Stephen he shared his own experience about facing death. Thats what you remembered. You could do that interview a thousand times and you will laugh a thousand times but the thing you will remember is that one moment when he touched real emotion, and that, on a podcast you could do that. And when i discovered that, that was like wow, this is something i want to try. Stephen wow. Youre getting a little emotional. Stephen well, i was thinking about why that is, why that moment was so moving, and i think its rare for people to share of themselves honestly without any guard. Yes. Stephen i think everybody has the capability to do that but were so loathe to do it because we protect ourselves from each other because were afraid that people dont want to hear our real feelings. And in a public setting where he doesnt know anyone in the audience. But those sort of moments are so incredibly valuable and theyre when you can break through all of that noise when youre communicating, when youre trying to tell a story to somebody stephen his story about sharing his own personal trials is more moving than me making jokes about Orlando Blooms bleep . Yes. Stephen just wanted to get you on record. Theres a moment in my second to last episode of my show where im interviewing this 98yearold mennonite pastor from lancaster county, but there is a moment when hes talking and hes describing something and he starts to cry and everyone in the room is crying, and im trying not to cry because im trying to conduct an interview on tape, and i didnt want to sob. But its the same thing. Its a moment where he just sort of cuts through all of the and hes talking about something thats absolutely at the center of his own kind of value system and belief and i think that moment made the whole ten episodes worth doing. Stephen whats at the center of your belief . Like what is the core of Malcom Gladwell . If i cut you open and counted the rings, whats that center ring, Malcom Gladwell . I just want to explain things to people. Stephen youre a teacher. I think so yeah. I come from a family of teachers. Teachers and preachers is basically what my family is. Your dad was a doctor. Stephen a doctor, yeah. O were all stephen teacher though, academic. Thats the gladwell dna. Stephen i need your help with something before we go here is that were coming up on the weekend and im going to be going to some cocktail parties like you do. I dont know that there will be 98yearold mennonites there but there will be a party. laughter i want to say, i was talking to Malcom Gladwell last night and he told me this thing that he hasnt said to somebody else about, something, and theyll say, did you hear, colbert talks to Malcom Gladwell. What can i drop at the party this weekend and people go thats the best cocktail chatter ive ever heard. Because youre cocktail chatter bait. What have you got . Something good. What if i got . Well, you know, the im going to plug my show. Stephen sure. The shows are all about my obsession about whats wrong with american higher education. cheers and applause heres my favorite statistic. Stephen what is it . If you sum up the endowments of the seven Ivy League Schools plus stanford, do you know how much money that comes to . 140 billion. Do you know how many lowincome students are educated by the ivy league plus stanford . Stephen what . 11,000. 1140 billion here, 11,000 there. If you can tell me why thats a good thing im all ears. Stephen did you go to an ivy league . University of toronto. Stephen i didnt either so were both equally indignant about it. I want to see you stephen new episodes of revisionist history are available on itunes. Malcolm gladwell, everybody well be right back. band playing cheers and applause stephen thats it for the late show. Tune in tomorrow when my guests will be diane kruger, comedian mark normand, and i will duel with olympic fencer ibtihaj muhammad. Now stick around for james corden and his guests hugh grant and bryce dallas howard. Goodnight cheers and applause band playing captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. 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