House. I quote from the archbishop homily. St. Franciss time was one of spiritual unrest in which ideas circulated that saw the condition of the human person as totally debased. There was also need for the reform of the clergy who would become too absorbed with worldly things. The response was holiness. He focused on the universal call to holiness he had with himself knowing that the work of rebuilding ultimately would start with from within. It was his personal holiness which led the way in the needed reform of the church at that time. The archbishop who served as chairman of the us bishop subcommittee for the promotion and defense of marriage recently faced Harsh Criticism for participating in the washington dc march for marriage. Which he boldly the color boldly declare that we now in our time need to live the truth was charity and compassion as it applies to us today. To build a civilization of truth and love. I am pleased to welcome to our program this morning archbishop salvatori corleone a. Welcome your excellency. Thank you for having me. Your start in the San Francisco bay area has been explosive to say the least. I know that you do not view yourself necessarily as a high profile archbishop. But San Francisco is a key living city in the United States and in the church and in the world so what you think and how you feel matters especially to a lot of people here so we are so happy that you have agreed to give us this time and i want to started right now within area of your ministry that is taking shape and in the coming months i hope that you can talk to us about Key Developments of imports you but now lets talk about the big project that you started right out of the gate. The renewal of the archdiocese and stomach seminary with a newly established institution as the development of in or toward. These things are phenomenal to start just one at a time. Please shed some light on this for us. Okay. There are really three separate considerations and i would not say disconnected but beginning with the seminaries it literally means a seat by the so for the vibrancy and health of the served the parish life has to be vibrant and it is vibrant when priests are vibrant so to me the highest priority is the seminary and formation in a lot of sense of praise beginning with that but also formation of the church and formation of the people of faith in general and that really begins with the formation of the preso i have tried to make that a priority and im very happy with the way that the seminary has been developed before the time i came here to San Francisco and i have been in oakland for three years and was aware of what was going on with the seminary so i try to come continued down that track. In the Church Division formation of priest speaks of four pillars of formation. The spiritual obviously and intellectual and human and pastoral. So we are trying to focus on each of those four pillars and continue to develop them. The seminary did a very good job at integrating these pillars especially the pastoral with the spiritual and the intellectual. There is an emphasis on pastoral information experience and doing pastoral work in parishes and seminaries do a year and the parish is sort of like an internship but it is integrated with the theological reflections. That activity is always linked with their deep clear life and their study. This is a fascinating beginning for many people. They have never heard of the word formation. We are going to go to a break and come right back and we hope you will stay with us and join us in this fascinating conversation with the archbishop of San Francisco. We will be right back. Music kids will spend 15 minutes watching online videos like this one. Brushing for two minutes now, can save your child from severe tooth pain later. Two minutes twice a day. They have the time. Welcome back to mosaic. I am doctor christine muggeridge and im sitting here today with archbishop Salvatore Cordileone. He is the archbishop of the diocese of San Francisco. We were talking just before the break regarding formation. Archbishop this topic of formation might be new to some people. You have well describes what goes into the development of the priests and priests are important as a foundational key leader person in the parish life that we want to keep revising over and over. Four pillars of formation. Human spiritual. Intellectual and pastoral. And pastoral. And you are sending young men out for a year of pastoral activity. I know that you are very much involved in pastoral activities. Sometimes incognita put people do not know that you are serving and working with homeless. Which we love about you. Lets go on to what it means in your mind for a person as a priest candidate to be well formed and for example the interesting fact is that you are combining the formation of priests with the institute that allows for the presence of levity and religious to be formed in some aspect alongside of those seminarians. That is pretty new. Yes. To go back to the formation of the priest. The whole idea of formation it is more or less corresponds to our idea of what educationally means from our catholic understanding. It literally means from the latin word to draw out. So it is we are drawing out what is already the potential that is within the person. The that the person can become the person that god created them to be. It is the education and the whole person. Not just in parting knowledge. Not just teaching skills. It is so that the person can grow. Speak about being well formed. It is multidimensional. It is comprehensive and all of those areas. That is what we focus on an error programs of formation as i explained at the seminary. In terms of the institute it is an institute for liturgical formation. What exactly does that mean . How could laypeople be present for that . Actually it is the seminary it is hosting the offices of the institute we are just beginning to get off the ground. So we have not actually done anything yet. We are still in the planning and strategizing phase but the idea is that courses will be available for the laypeople who exercise Liturgical Ministry so that they can get it is not just a matter of teaching skills and that will be a part of it. They have to learn the skills practical skills. But we see the more indepth formation intellectual and spiritual as well as those practical skills. There are two side of it. One is it has an and his is on music. The sacred music and tapping into these great treasures that we have in our tradition. You yourself are a music aficionado. You are an accomplished musician and not many people know that. I was once. And eight hours a day anymore. [ laughter ] no. Unfortunately. But not to the exclusion of more contemporary style of music but helping people understand how to use that music well and how it is integral with the liturgy and not just music added on or using the mass is an opportunity to sing songs but how integral it is. The other side of it is again formation for the people who exercise other liturgical roles as lectors and ministers of holy communion. Parish liturgy coordinators. The idea is that they then not simply have skills a lector for example. Needs to know how to pronounce words correctly and to project and that will be a part of it but they also need to understand biblical history and biblical theology so that they understand the text that they are reading. The very context. What is going on in the history of israel that the time that jeremiah was making the prophecy and what was going on in his life to understand that he was persecuted for standing for gods truth by his own people. That is wonderful. Things like that or in st. Paul the problem with those who are trying to force the christians to adhere to parts of the mosaic law when the apostles met in jerusalem and decided where provisional no longer apply but other parts do. This is all part of history and theology that is important to note to proclaim the word of god effectively. I think that your ideal of educating all of the people involved in the church is amazing. Because it really brings us together as one family. And after we returned from the break i would like to elaborate a little bit more on that thought as well as a few other questions that we have for you. Again i am doctor christine muggeridge. This is mosaic. We are with archbishop Salvatore Cordileone. We will be back in just a moment. ,,, welcome back to mosaic. I am doctor christine. So happy that you join us and were talking with archbishop Salvatore Cordileone and before we went to the break we were talking about the spirituality and the maturing of individuals in a formation experience that they will have together with seminarians. How are the seminarians feeling about that . s institute is something new for the campus. The institute as i mentioned offices are housed there. But not all of the classes will be offered there. The idea is that the institute can offer you do a lot of work online. But also there has to be some personal encounter with the teacher. We can host those in parishes really throughout the bay area. That is fantastic. So the goal and [ indiscernible ] formation expenses coming to a parish near you. Correct . Yes. Wonderful. I want to in our brief time that we have together think about the oratory. I did not even know what the word oratory meant and most laypeople do not. So what does oratory mean and how does it fit with formation . Oratory has different meanings and oratory is a certain type of a chapel. It has that meeting too for a private association or group of people. Oratory in this sense is that the oratory of saint philip mary. Which is a society of apostolic life that is committed to doing Pastoral Ministry but not consecrated by vows as religious creeds are couple want to this society. A form of life in the church. Yes. As we know there are many different forms of life in the church. Yes. Wonderful. It began with saint philip mary and then the second apostle in the 16th century. Revised the faith in the city of rome at that time. He began these communities where they would a priest and lay brothers too they would share a common life together. The oratory then has grown up as a society of apostolic life that is priest committed to doing Pastoral Ministry in Parish Ministry usually in an urban setting where they share a common life. Wonderful. This actually was not my idea. There are two priest who approach me who are interested in doing this because they both are very committed to doing parish work. They enjoy the Pastoral Ministry. But fortunately nowadays often priest are sort of a lot alone and they do not live with anyone else. They wanted to share a common life. They also wanted to do Pastoral Ministry. Lets talk about how this dovetails with the concept of formation and then i want to introduce a new topic that is near and dear to your heart. That is stewardship. Yes. It is good for ones formation. It happens it community but does not happen alone. So i think that for priest ongoing formation is an Ongoing Development and in the ministry there happens to be some sense of relationship with other priest and that is not always possible for priest on a dayto day basis so it might be only the priest at the paris but other opportunities for priest to do that but it is heightened in the situation of and oratory or any situation where priests are sharing a common life and exercising some type of Pastoral Ministry. That help with their own ongoing priestly formation. So no one goes it alone on our way to heaven. No. Not even a priest. No. I know that they are near and dear to your heart as well. Stewardship. An interesting topic and i know that this is something that you wanted to focus on this morning. Stewardship from an Old Fashioned perspective. It is what occurs when an annual appeal goes out and people think of it pretty much only in terms of finances and in fact some might have a allergic reaction to the word only finances. But i know that that is not the focus that you have. Stewardship is something deeply spiritual. And personal for you. Can you start to elaborate on that before we go to our break . s yes. It is not the focus of that the church has and not the us bishops. It is almost 20 years from now that they issued a pastoral letter on stewardship so it is different disappointing to me that a lot of people have that idea. Think about what a stewardess. It is a servant but a certain type of this service. Server and the administration of the masters good. The stewards they are not his own. They belong to his master. This is a very common image our board uses in the parables often speaks about the steward in his parables. The steward and the witnesses. Yeah. Those who squandered the good. Those who use them responsibly. With an increase. So the master expects those to turn to him with an increase. So the spirituality of stewardship understands that everything that we have and everything that we are is a gift from god and does not really belong to us. They are goods entrusted to us by god to be used for gods purposes because gods purposes will lead to our true happiness. I know that you keep that foremost in your mind. With everything that you do. Maybe even more so than ever before under this of pope francis. Stewardship is there for not only material goods is it . s all about the gifts and talents that you have as well. Those things that make up your identity. We speak about stewardship and time talent and treasure because these are measurable quantities that everyone has some of. That we are called to share. But it is not merely practical material things. It is a matter of it has to come from a spirituality. Of communion which is essentially sharing the spiritual and material goods. But fascinating praise. Spirituality of communion. We will talk more about that after the break. Stay tuned. But welcome again to our final segment of mosaic. We are talking with archbishop Salvatore Cordileone the archbishop of San Francisco and we have had quite an interesting discussion. We are so grateful that you took the time to be with us. I hope that you will come back. Promised us. I will. Good. I will be back. You heard it here. We were talking about something rather novel. Spirituality of communion. Spirituality of stewardship. I would like you to elaborate on that. Communion essentially means sharing. Sharing the spiritual and material goods. So a stewardess the one who recognizes these goods and shares them generously and the pattern was set at the beginning of the creation. What do we see when god in Second Chapter of genesis when god creates man and the woman . Male and female he created them and he gave them dominion over the earth. He entrusted the stewardship of creation to the man and the woman. So from the very beginning we see the pattern set of marriage and stewardship. Really marriage in a certain sense is the stewardship of our bodies. That is right. Our bodies are a gift from god that we are meant to use for gods purposes that are meant for communion of the man and the woman and then being a generative love for life into the world. Let me stop you right there because you are approaching a topic of marriage and family that is very explosive in our area and i think that it is misunderstood. Perhaps would you mind sharing a little bit about your sons of communion of persons and even being good stewards of the gift of our body and our personhood . Marriage is the image god uses in scripture for his relationship with us. Because marriage is it is a comprehensive union of mind and body and spirit of the man and the woman. Joined their bodies and then an act by which new life comes. They join their heart and their soul and their treasures. Yes. So our union with god is like that and it is a comprehensive union. But in marriage and they become one. The two become one but they do not lose their identity. They each retain their identity and integrity as persons but yet become one. So that is the model that our life is like with god. Are christian in our theology that is the model of the trinity and of the church and christ is the bridegroom and the church is the bride and the unit of the two generate new life for gods kingdom and that is him and tuckermans and landing on the truth that christ interested in the church as a steward of these treasures prick the lord has entrusted expect the steward as a trouser treasure of new life on a human level as well as a spiritual level. No one. Yes. So this church receives the grades from priced from christ and then it generates new life through the grace of the sacraments. Baptism and the blood and water that flow from baptism in the eucharist. Right . So the the faithful are given life is life in christ. Then the people are formed in the faith because christ has entrusted to the church peter says of the deposit of faith. The truth of the teaching. We can be guided we do not have to grope in the darkness. We cannot know god thoroughly of course but we can know the truth. That is why christ loved the truth. I get it. A little bit of what youre saying is that in the this Marital Union of persons and guests and even practical communion of persons in the material element the two experience a little bit of god and and his love for us. And the family then represents that little model of the Church Domestic church if you will which is often the praise brought to us by john paul and other popes. Said yes. We have about 3 min. Left. I would like you please on what this means for us in the archdiocese. With regard to stewardship. As a whole family. Are we to understand that we are a gift for each other and we live in communion with each other . And then everything that we have and do goes back to the lord . s as an offering . Our faith is a community and we share a communion in our faith. So yes. Everything that we have an hours from the it is to be used meant to be shared. This is human experience. If you hold something onto yourself you somehow become lonely and unhappy. When you share it with other others that is when one experiences joy. In a way of your cell. I always ask young people about this. Especially in confirmation classes because we often do a service project. To reflect upon that i invited listeners to reflect upon that. Help someone in the. Make a sacrifice of their time and talent. Treasure. And other energy. You always come back and read. So that is the spirituality of communion or solidarity everyone gives and everyone receives. It is not that i have and you have not. So i give from what i have to help you. That is condescending. But when as pope that it teaches in the cyclical god is love love. When i invest myself in my get it becomes a Mutual Exchange and mutual giving and receiving. That is when christ becomes present. This is what i see lived out in your office. You are so happy. Really. And you are excited about the good things that you have an opportunity to do. You are doing more with people in need behind the scenes that people understand and i am saying now clearly that it is because that is your joy. And you are giving of yourself in a very personal way as a model for the rest of us. But very demanding but it is sustaining which is the basic lesson of life for everyone. No one lives in a vacuum. Correct. I cannot wait for you to come back again to teach us more about this beautiful theology of communion of persons. We thank you for joining us. This morning. Thank you. We thank you for joining us this morning and look forward to being with you again and we will see that. 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