And on the second point lets separate out issues. Relations with israel and United States remain strong. Defense relations or intelligence but team to people if you will, relationship between president of the United States and Prime Minister has never been worse. Go back to eisenhower period look for a more tense. Schieffer whats the deal . Theyre very, very different men with different ideological viewpoints. This administration believes that netanyahu is actually put this in more diplomatic way. Is a general feeling that he doesnt take risks for peace, he doesnt do what he needs to do to solve the middle east crisis. For his part, netanyahu believes that this administration doesnt understand the middle east. Its as simple as that. One leans liberal, the other is conservative. Dispositions are different and so they have a very dysfunctional relationship going to be very interesting and tense to watch as they move to the iran talks how its going to go. Schieffer jerry, we saw this hideous video this morning, this is the worst of the worst. This seems to me that the war on terrorism is a long way from being over. You heard mitt romney say we should keep on the table the idea of putting american troops back in to iraq. Is this administration, where do you think they are . Its interesting because president obama talking today before he leftish radio to asia of a actually left the door open a little crack on that question of u. S. Troops on the ground. There are going to be more u. S. Troops on the ground. But i think the key here is that this is a long struggle. Were not losing the war against isis but were not winning it. We as kind of a group as the u. S. , iraq, the syrian army which is in trouble, modern arab states, the saudi, is that whole collection is not winning this war, going to take awhile to turn it around. Schieffer one of the kurdish officials is saying this morning that there may be 200,000 of these isis people. Now that seems pretty high to me. Thats very high. The truth is, what we dont know about isis exceeds what we do know. The numbers that seem to be most reasonable somewhere in the 18,000 to 30,000 but again theyre drawing people. The longer it seems we cant stop them the more attractive they will be to radicals around the world. One thing that is really interesting and horrifying about this terrible video, is that isis is own worst enemy. You have the administration increasingly open the door not just for more troops but for possibility of getting increasingly involved in combat. We saw this in the past. When isis engages in brutality like this, and videotapes them puts them out for the American Public to see it rules up the American Public and makes it easier for better or worse for the president and military to do what it needs to take to deal with isis. Schieffer let me shift here just to this immigration situation. Obviously were heading to some kind ever showdown. The president saying hes going to take unilateral action that would protect millions of Illegal Immigrants in this country from being deported. Congress is saying dont do it. You heard what both sides were saying. Where do you see this going . Do you think there is any possibility, because some on the talking to shutting down the government again maybe well have to do that. I love this notion that everybody is floating the old poison the well. Everybody has been drinking pure water up there if not already full of arsenic and pc bs already. The well is poisoned. The president has no choice he made this promise he probably should have done it earlier. The truth is he has an incentive to do it now because he wants to provoke a fight. If you saw the way hes come out, all about fighting this new republican majority. Love to lure them in to that shut down, maybe even impeachment proceedings, maybe another lawsuit to draw those distinctions he won the shut down fight over obamacare and exit polls were lopsided in favor of legalizing the Illegal Immigrants. Schieffer this may be, told me that brier patch we remember that. Everything about his News Conference was saying, in the my fault, no mistake here, im going right back at it with climate change, with immigration, with minimum wage, all the things they dont want to have. This has been a lets go back at it week since the election, really interesting on number of fronts. Climate change, threatening veto on the keystone xl pipeline, throwing out with the internet neutrality. I totally agree with dana, no way he can back down on fulfilling this immigration promise. I think that its clear also from the Republican Point of view that the grownups in the party, leadership in the party do not want shut down, but with the bull metaphor and the flag, its waving the red flag and the question is, whether they can control the bull because even though nobody rational wants a shut down, it may be hard to avoid it. Schieffer this one issue which i think the president showing may be prepared to challenge the left, that is free trade. That is a big one. Talked about that a lot in asia that is not popular on the left. That is a real litmus test, going big or things republicans dont like or big that define obama agenda. Schieffer if you needed an example that everybody is on edge up there on capitol hill, we got it this week during nancy pelosi, the house leader for democrats when she had a News Conference. Our nancy cordes asked her, since they lost majority in two straight elections, if she was thinking about giving up her leadership post. And, let me just show you what she said. First woman, was not that curiosity that the boehner on the front of time magazine, Mitch Mcconnell wins on the front of time magazine, a pattern here, as i said does not depend on any of that with all due respect to all of you. But as a woman, is there a message here . Something that were missing. May i say oh, please. Its not as if nancy pelosi when she became first woman speaker of the house did not get a ton of attention including from yours truly. I think with all due respect to the former speaker playing the gender card here, not a great idea. The really tough feelings, not a lot of fun these days. Great week for time magazine. The covers still matter. Schieffer she is a terrific fundraiser for democrats. Is it her fault that they lost the majority two times in a row . Its not her fault, per se. But only question now, is it the worst since 1946 or 1928 . One year leader of a party thats been brought to that point got to think maybe need some fresh faces. The top three leaders, people can do very well. But theyre 74, 75. Maybe they need to bring in a little fresh blood at higher level. You see none of that in the house. Very little of it in the senate a little bit with elizabeth warren. But no indication that i see that either side is getting ready to cut some deals or do anything. Schieffer we just had Claire Mccaskill who voted against bringing harry reid back. I think we know of six votes, six senators those votes are in secret there may actually have been more. What about this idea, but she is from the left. Is that going to give the right impression to the Democratic Party that theyre moving to the left as republicans are moving to the right . I think she had to be taken in to account. Shes a force, and she represents a force. But the other thing thats happening you had Claire Mccaskill from moderate part of the party she said im part of the moderate middle where we like to get some things done. That moderate middle just got wiped out at least got deluded a lot. Senator pryor and haban they all lost. Not as much in the middle left. The left is right in saying we deserve representation. I was struck how quickly she mentioned senator tester also coming in, the flat top farmer, whatever the expression was. As almost neutralize whatever signal, which wasnt effective messaging, were still sort of the same mix of what we were. The Democratic Party isnt really clear what it wants to be right now. Its clear it doesnt want to be Minority Party but not clear how that is going to be solved. Toe have that debate. Harry reid not about to change his stripes. Hes an old cop, hes an old boxer, he punched his future father in law, tried to strangle a guy trying to offer him a bribe. Hes not going to back down. That the moderates are done hes going to be slugging it out. Schieffer let me go around the table, quick answer. Who thinks mitt romney is going to run for president again . We were talking about that before. I think he likes being on tv, that doesnt necessarily suggest hes going to run for president. I find it hard that he does. I think we like to be president but not run for it. Hes not on list of 32 possible candidates the Republican Party put out this week. Hes available to be drafted to run for president i dont think hes going to run for president. Im going to go on a limb, what is he doing up so early on sunday morning . I have to say, a lot of the points that hes making, that he made in last campaign are looking pretty good in retrospect . Schieffer if jeb bush does not decide to run he will give it very serious thought. I think that is probably where it is right now at least from my sources. Hell be back in a moment with my interview of director of national intelligence, james clapper. [ ] great rates and safety working in harmony. Open an optimizer plus account from synchrony bank. Visit myoptimizerplus. Com to open an account. Service. Security. Savings. Synchrony bank engage with us. Schieffer who puts going to goat korea a on their bucket list. Americas top spy. That is one of the things we found on friday when james clapper, the director of national intelligence, invited us to his office to talk about his top secret trip there to bring home two american prisoners. Kenneth bae and matthew miller. Why do you suppose they chose the top spy in the United States . Thats a great question. For one, they wanted someone who is currently in the government who was part the National Security council. I think i followed the Korean Peninsula as i served there as director of intelligence in the mid 80s. Schieffer had you ever been to north korea . This is the first time i flew over north korea with permission. When i served in korea in december 1985 straight in to north korea obviously without their permission, they shot at us. We made it back to the south. My line first time i went in with permission. Schieffer let me talk about when United States aircraft, transport plane, set down in the north korean capital. What went through your mind . Were you apprehensive . Yes, i was. Quite apprehensive. Because we werent sure how this was going to play out. I personally was not completely confident that we would actually that they would release our two citizens. And so, yes, it was apprehensive and from personal standpoint always been on my professional bucket list to visit north korea, so i did get to do that. Schieffer paint the scene for me, you said it was night time. Its dark anyway. In north korea, famous picture overhead shot of contrasting the two parts of the peninsula at night with north korea being dark and south korea being lit up. That image i think was kind of sustained. It was very dark appearance. So we went immediately off the plane, in to a limo that took two or three vehicle convoy that took us to the state house. Schieffer what happened then. And who greeted you . The green party that was headed by the minister of state security, of course translator. Schieffer what did they talk about . I made the point, i was very interested in recovering our two citizens. I think they were disappointed frankly that i didnt have some breakthrough. Schieffer you did bring a letter from president obama. A short letter which basically identified me as president s envoy and characterizing their willingness to release two citizens as a positive gesture. Schieffer did you take any kind of reply back to the president . The major message from them was their disappointment that there wasnt some offer or some again, term they use was break through. I did take ray of optimism from a younger person who accompanied me on the way out to the airport, i think illustrates potential here for the few fewer, because i do think there is a generational difference between the older part of the regime, i say older, my generation schieffer our generation. Yes. We were stuck on their narrative and there was, i saw a difference generationally in this person who i think professed interest in more dialogue, asked me if id be willing to come back. Schieffer lets go back to, so you got there, you were taken to the hotel, was there a dinner or Something Like that . Yes. I was hosted by the head of the, whats called Reconnaissance Guidance Bureau which is their combination intelligence and special operations force. Schieffer what was the tone of the dinner . It was pretty kurt. Reinforced for me something i always think i understood about north korea a country feels itself to be under siege, a certain institutional paranoia, that was certainly reflected in a lot of things that he said, for example, allegations about our exercises that we conduct in the republic of korea. Did bring up the human rights issue at one point although we were well in to the dialogue, criticizing us for our interventionist approach, interventionist policies in their internal matters. It was that sort of dialogue back and forth. It wasnt exactly a pleasant dinner. Schieffer where did you finally find out that they were going to release these people . We spent the rest of the day waiting, for quite some time until late afternoon, then the mss representative came by the state guest house, said you had 20 minutes to pick up your luggage were leaving. Check out, we were taken to the Hotel Downtown and much ushered in to a room in which the amnesty granting ceremony i guess id call it was conducted. Schieffer up to that point they hadnt told you they were going to release them. Right. We were leaving, went to the hotel, then during this am mess fee granting ceremony, and afterwards he turned to me and said he hoped we had more dialogue but not about detainees. We shook hands, i said thank you, we walked out. Our two tee taken knees changed clothes. We went to the airport got on aircraft and flew. Schieffer do you think this has changed anything . Thats a good question. That remains to be seen as to where we go from here. Is this will this perhaps serve as a catalyst or stimulus for more dialogue . I hope so, but i dont know. Schieffer director, how would you rate north korea on scale of dangerous places in the world . Is it the most dangerous in your view . Well, these days, thats hard to rank. Theres lots of dangerous spots around the world. My half century in intelligence, i dont know a time where we have been beset by a more diverse array of challenges and crises that we are today. North corey radio is a danger spot. But there are others. You mentioned different danger points in the world. I wonder, could i get your take on whats happening now in iraq and syria where we hear of this alliance between al qaeda and syria and isis. Do you we dont see that basically because of the competing objectives. I think what youre referring to is the al qaeda chapter, franchise in syria. And isis. They are competing objectives and who would be have to be subordinate to the other really dont see that, at the strategic level. There have been tactical accommodations on the battlefield on occasion where local groups have united in the interest of the tactical objective, but broadly i dont see those two uniting at least yet. Schieffer thank you so much. Thank you. My grandkids bought this nest learning thermostat. Programs itself. Connects to their precious phones. I dont like it. Being cold builds character. Walking back and forth to the thermostat builds leg muscles. When the internets come to life and all these gizmos turn on us, these kids wont be able to run away on those shriveled little calves. Will they love their nest thermostat then . I dont think so. The nest learning thermostat. Welcome to a more thoughtful home. Bob i was dumb struck when i heard the comments surfacing from an economist who was paid 400,000 to help shape the president S Health Care plan. First, he allowed himself a plan pass only because of a lack of transparency and this is a direct quote, the stupidity of the American People. Finally our nancy cordes found couple of other things he said going back to 2011. First, calling attack on insurance instead of people we know its attacks on people who hold those insurance plans. Schieffer there was this about massachusettS Health Care plan. The dirty secret in massachusetts is the feds pay for our bill. Ted kennedy basically figure out way to rip off the feds about 400 million a year. Schieffer ill be honest while i favor Health Insurance i am not wile about you new machine how it became law either. Here is my question for mr. Gruper, if this is all bad as you say why did you take the money you earned as an advisor. Or is it too late to give it back. What we have here is another example of the sorry state of american politics where people take money for things in which they dont believe and whether its good for the American People is not even a question. As far the president he may want to consider that old politicians prayer, lord, i can take care of my enemies just protect me from my friends. Back in minute. Man [ laughs ] those look like baby steps now. But they were some pretty good moves. And the best move of all . Having the right partner at my side. 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The holy cross terrace on east jackson street is nearly destroyed. The building was built 100 years ago. We are live outside of the church in san jose, linda . Yes. It is still an active fire season. You see behind me, firefighters are continuing to pour lots of water on to the church. The fire it is far from out. And the sad news tonight, firefighters say it is in danger of collapse. So, they set up a perimeter all around the church. People have been told