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Country back from the worst recession since the 1930s. And its been a busy week on the 2016 campaign trail. Are you still thinking about running for president and when will you make a decision. Yes and later. Schieffer analysis on all of the above from our allstar panel. 60 years of news because this is face the nation. And good morning again. The scandal at the vet answer Administration Hospitals may be even worse than we thought. The v. A. Admits that 23 patients died at v. A. Hospitals because of delayed treatment. But this morning the Dayton Daily News reports that since 2001 the agency has paid out 36. 4 million to settle claims of delay in treatment. The money was paid out either voluntarily or as part of a court action. In a somewhat contentious interview friday with White House Correspondent major garrett, the president s chief of staff, Dennis Mcdonough sought to emphasize the positive. The president is madder than hell. And ive got the scars to proof it given the briefings ive given the president , the conversation, is that we have had on these matters. At the same time that were looking at accountability we want to continue to perform to provide our veterans the services that they have earned. 40 billion and assistance for the g. I. Bill, 14 increase in spending on Veterans Health administration, 60 increase in the number of veterans getting care through the Veterans Health administration. These are all the kinds of investments that the president believes strongly we have to make, thats why he fought for them. Reporter describe secretary shinsekis performance before the Senate Committee as maddeningly passive. President satisfied with the veteran secretarys performance not only in that testimony but overall . We dont score testimony on capitol hill or otherwise. We score is results as it relates to the services and the benefits that our vets have earned. And weve seen dramatic from this administration, historic increases in the budget year on year. We have seen obviously the reports out of places like phoenix and North Carolina and going to get to the bottom of those things, fix them, ensure that they dont happen. Advocates in the veterans communities raise red flags that the system wont be able to handle these people, the 14day waiting list to get care to, get in wont be realized. They warned you and others that you were setting unrealistically high expectations, now we have credible reports mentioned by members of the senate and ordered by this network of shadow lists being put together to create phony impression of getting people in in 14 days when reality is they werent getting in close to 14 days, yes, you may have set accountability standard and goal, but now you have bureaucracy that is running amuck. How can the president be satisfied with that . I did not leave i with any impression that the president was satisfied, the president is demanding that we get to the bottom of the exact allegations that youre talking about as it relates to whether veterans are getting the timely access to care that they have earned that they deserve. That is exactly what were digging in to. The president as soon as these reports surfaced, the president asked that secretary shinseki report back immediately on the kind of Accountability Measures he has in place. Whether he needs additional Accountability Measures. Weve now deployed additional staff over to the Veterans Administration to dig in to this to find out if this is a series of cases or whether this is a systemic issue that we need to address with wholesale reform. Were not going to stop, major, making this better until it is back is better because exactly what our veterans deserve. The Veterans Administration secretary the person to carry out this mission as he describes it with remainder of this administration . General shins key continues to work this every single day. He testified for three hours, sat, listened to the organizations, went out after that talked to the press again. And he will continue to work these issues until theyre fixed and the the president will continue to demand that he and all of us who work for him continue to fix these things r until they are functioning the way that our veterans believe they should and the way that so that they get the services and benefits that they have earned. Let me ask you about the president himself, you describe scar, is that you have from the president from his anger based on briefings youve given him. What is the public hard from the president . Its been nearly three weeks since the president has commented on this publicly, i want to take that period of time, almost three weeks, nothing from the president publicly the president has been an active voice for increased resources and reform at the Veterans Administration since he joined the Veterans Committee in the senate over seven, eight, nine years ago. Im talking he will continue to go out and youll continue to talk as he did in asia in response to questions and throughout the course of his administration will continue to fight for reform, continue to fight for performance and will put the money that United States government where his mouth is. The veterans in the country says, where has the president you would say hes play inside game. That is your word. The president has been fighting for increased resources for the Veterans Administration, hes been out time and again fighting to make sure that not only those resources out there but country recognizes the sacrifices that those veterans have made. The president is continually out there talking about the challenges that are facing this country by veteran suicide untrue. As it relates to post Traumatic Stress where hes been out there time and again we have worked to lower veterans unemployment by 1. 5 . Over the course of last several years. Well continue to make sure that this there kind of Jobs Available for vets, he will you understand how veteran who may have been victimized by these waiting lists or be concerned they might still become victimized might hear all your answers say, yes, i understand the broad argument youre making about things the president has done but i need answers and specific outrage about this problem now. The president nobody is more outraged by this problem than president of the United States. Hell continue to press as relates to this question of timely access to care until it is fixed. Thats why weve invested additional billions of dollars in the Veterans Health administration so that they can have timely access to good care. As relates to the allegations, what well do get to the bottom of them and make sure we understand exactly what happened and make sure that it never happens again. Schieffer the white house chief of staff with our major garrett. Well turn now to Dan Dellinger the head of the american legion, Group Leading the guard to replace secretary shinseki. Commander, you just heard the white house chief of staff he talks about increased resources in finding ways to reduce unemployment for our veterans, but he never really to my mind specifically addressed this problem. He will not admit that theres a cooking of the book going on right now to make it appear that these people dont have to wait. He at this point as Washington Post pointed out is not asked Justice Department to investigate yet. They keep saying were investigating. What is your reaction to all of this . We realize that the administration has done a lot for the veterans. But that isnt the issue. The issue is, we are having veterans die waiting for the care that they have earned. It all goes back, they keep talking about waiting for this study to be done. Well, theres been almost 50ig reports from our understanding that this has been ongoing problem. And we hold secretary shinseki to the highest standards here, these she have been he should be coming forward with the same leadership he showed in the military as fourstar general in to the v. A. And it just hasnt happened. The accountability has not been there and i think it is systematic of the entire system. These are cultural changes there. Schieffer do you want to hear from the president himself . It does seem a with it unusual for three weeks now the president himself has not felt the need to speak out personally about this, if im correct. Exactly. We need the white house, president to come forward. He needs to make a statement to show the employees of v. A. That this needs to change now. One death is tragic. But when you hide it thats unforgivable. Schieffer now we have this report coming this morning from the Dayton Daily News talking about more than 34 million in claims have been paid out by the government for people who listed detake of payment. Some of this came as result of court action, some of it the v. A. Just did voluntarily. So this would suggest that this may be even wider and broader than we know about. I believe it is. We heard reports of this, single cases, but to have all these figures put together is really a striking it shows the lack of accountability and the egregious mismanagement of the entire system. Thats why i feel that cultural change is necessary. Schieffer what do you think went wrong here, when you say cultural change is necessary. Everyone is getting bonuses, i dont have the figure as to how many bonuses have been issued by the v. A. But it seems like theyre getting bonuses for just doing their job. Even when you have preventable deaths like the outbreak in 2011 in pittsburgh, the then director got 63,000 bonus for veterans dying under his watch. It goes all the way down to even the clerks. Everybody seems to get a bonus for doing their job. Schieffer what do you think the buck stops . Its got to stop at the top. Its accountability. If it was a eo weve hard many of major corporations stepping down. If this was a military, would be relieved of duty. Thats why we called for the secretary and two under secretaries to step down. Of course under secretary has given his resignation but he was already scheduled to leave. His replacement had already been named. This seems to us to be business as usual. We havent seen that proactive versus reactive culture of change wed like to see. Schieffer commander, thank you for joining us this morning and well stay on this story. Thank you very much, bob. Schieffer the new Museum Dedicated to the victims 9 11 opened at the World Trade Center last week. Former new york mayor Michael Bloomberg was the driving force behind the museum. He spoke at its dedication on thursday. It is a with it tons tragedy. It is an affirmation of hum on life. Reminder to us to all future generations that freedom carries heavy responsibility. And it is reflex of our believe that the true hope of humanity resides in our compassion and kindness for one another. Schieffer after dedication we sat down with the mayor in his Manhattan Office told us why he fell the museum was so important. I think the families that lost loved ones, you cant put yourself in their position. But to me it is the fact that freedom is not free. Its a lesson that we keep forgetting and here was a chance toqc aphically with scale, tell the next generation and generation after that, maybe tell our elected leaders today that weve got to protect ourselves. We are the symbol for the world, and new york is a symbol for america, i suppose downtown trade center was the symbol of new york. Of some basic freedoms which others dont want us to have. It isnt that they dont want it for themselves. Schieffer this is a painful tribute in some ways. Here are the mementos and, fire trucks, shoes splattered with blood. Is this museum meant to evoke pain . No. But it is meant to give an accurate representation of history. Thats the first thing the museum has to do. Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not. Certain things happen and museums first obligation to tell what happened and then to try to put it in context. Schieffer can i talk a little bit about you can talk about anything. You have announced plans to spend 50 million of your own money on Grass Roots Movement to combat gun violence, you say these are your words, we need to make the National Rifle association afraid of us. How are you going to do that . You need to make the congress understand that the vast preponderance of the public does not want criminals, minors or people with psychiatric problems to be able to buy guns. And weve got to make congress understand that and vote that way. What the nra is focused on is making Congress Afraid of them in spite of the public wanting rational background checks for gun shows, there already are nationwide gun right for background checks on guns sold through stores. For Internet Sales and gun show sales weve got to make sure that the congressmen, want them to vote for sensible gun regulation, not control, not banning, just regulation. This is true of gun owners as well as nongun owners. 0 think we should do this. The trouble is nra has created fear in the mind of the congressmen. Were going to hurt your reelection. We have to answer that, no, quite the contrary. The public is not going to vote for this unless you do something to protect them and their kids. Schieffer lets talk a little politics. What did you think of karl roves assessment that Hillary Clinton may have had some sort of brain damage . I understand political arguments, you can disagree with somebody on their views. You can even criticize or laud their performance. But there is a line beyond which you shouldnt go. I thought it was about as inappropriate thing to say. I was with Hillary Clinton yesterday, she was at the memorial. She used to be the senn ii from new york i know Hillary Clinton very well. And we because were big Diplomatic Center of the country in new york we have more missions and embassies than you do in washington. When she was secretary ever state we worked together, i worked together with her husband and clinton global initiative. Hillary clinton, whether you agree with her policies or not, i dont know if shes going to run. Shes a quality person. She is also a great american, works as hard as anybody and is dedicated to this country. You cant ask somebody to do more. I thought his remarks were outrageous and over the pail, whatever the expression is. Schieffer you dont know if shes going to run, if you had to make a guess today thats your business. All the op ed people that you interview. I have no idea. Shes not told me whether shes running or not running. I dont think shes going to physical me. Ill read it in the paper schieffer would she be the best democratic candidate. I think she would be spectacular candidate on the democratic side. I have friends on the republican side who may run for president. And i think they are very confident and i think what would be great for the country if you had two experienced people, people that really had been in government, know what theyre doing. Hilary certainly does. On the republican side, jeb bush is on my foundation, governor of wisconsin, governor christie is mentioned all the time. Shes are people with executive experience, at least they know what it is and they wont have excuse of, i didnt know what it was like when i got elected. These are people, all of whom would be great if the country had the choice among them bob do you think Chris Christie was hurt by this bridge scandal . I dont know. Its a long time between now and then im sure he wished that it ha nt happened. Chris christie is going to be judged based on the job he does leaving the new jersey job, deficit, freedoms in new jersey, how clean the air is. All the things that governors are supposed to do. That in the end is what hes going to have to run on that record. Bit i guess he wishes it hadnt happened. Thats not what this election is going to be about. Schieffer would you ever think of running for president . If i thought i could win, would be something to consider. But you cant win, ive given 12 years to Public Service im not going to be a candidate. Schieffer what do you mean you think i couldnt win, as an independent . Ive said this a long time. Party loyalty means a lot to some people. Theres a big percentage of the public that would vote democratic or republican no matter who the candidates were. Just not no matter how much the press wants to create an independent base its good for selling newspapers and inches and minutes as i describe it, they want to create a battle. Schieffer have you ever thought of going back to being republican or democrat. Im too lib brat for the republicans and too conservative for the democrats. Im not sure if that is the case. I am fiscal conservative, social liberal i believe in actually doing thingser than pontificating and promising then never delivering. Or delivering in ways that its never going to work. Schieffer mr. Mayor, always a pleasure. Thanks for everything me. Schieffer thank you. Schieffer well be back in one minute. Th ink plus from e like 60,000 bonus points when i spent 5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. And i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at Office Supply stores. With ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. Travel, gift cards even cash back. And my rewards points wont expire. So you can make owning business even more rewarding. Ink from chase. So you can. When folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. 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Well, i responded to a question, the interviewer asked if jeb bush ran and you ran would that be stressful or no problem . I saw given a choice between two, i said, between the two it would be stressful. Because i like jeb, i respect him, i consider him a friend. I consider president bush 4 a friend. You dont like running against people who are your friends. Rather against people you dont like, easier. It would be stressful but wont determine my decision. I suspect it wouldnt determine his either. I would have fun with jeb on the at pain trail, i think were very similar in terms of our way of solving problems. I also think hes one of the nicest people ive ever had chance to meet in public life. Hes a good guy. Schieffer so, who do you not like in the republican field . I dont want to then turn out not to run. That would be waste. Schieffer ill be right back with the word about legendary Barbara Walters. Schieffer Barbara Walters said her goodbyes last week to the many well deserved accolades, ill just add this. She was the best reporter i ever competed against. The word relentless must have been invent to describe her, gist one more story. At the 1980 Republican Convention when there were reports Ronald Reagan was thinking of choosing former president ford as his running mate, the whole convention came to a stop and people stood, mouths agape as Walter Cronkite got ford in our anchor booth for exclusive interview. Being oblivious schieffer she was pounding on the anchor booth door trying to get in. Was she trying to join the interview or just hustle ford out of there . We never knew, because we locked the door. We knew who we were dealing with. But she got the next interview. Thanks for the memories, barbara. You may say youre retiring but i dont believe a word of it. My guess is the next big story that breaks, you will find a way to get in on it. Because youre barbara. 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Tell us about that since i dont think people had a sense of how you saw this coming. Well, this country had a long boom in borrowing and leverage. A huge build up in risk. And a lot of that risk ended up outside formal Banking System in place where it couldnt be contained where the government had no Standing Authority to prevent panic. That combination of factors, this long boom in leverage and borrowing combined with the fact that lot migrated outside the Banking System made this crisis just devastating and very hard to contain. Schieffer when they asked you to head up the treasury department, clearly you had some idea that there was some hard times coming. How overwhelming was that . Did you understand what you were going to have to fix . I knew it would be terrible. I tried to talk the president out of it, because i didnt want to move my family and i knew it was going to be hard. Also id been already deeply involved, a deeply unpopular rescue, i thought he would be i tried talk him out of it. I knew it would be hard. Schieffer if you expect the recovery act and the tarp turn go radioactively politically . Not the recovery, but tarp, yes. The thing about the financial crisis for major severe crises is that things you have to do to protect people from the consequence of collapse are deeply unpopular because it looks like youre giving aid to the arsonists. The things you have to do to protect people from mass unemployment, to keep the lights on in the economy require things that seem unfair. Inherent in successful economic rescue are things that are deeply unpopular. I knew that, thought that was unavoidable. Schieffer it was interested you say that you were terrible at public speaking in your previous job you were not exactly a big pr personality. Those are your words. Do you think, did that hurt you when you became treasury secretary or did you suddenly find the words to explain what you meant . I always found your explanations fine. Youre very generous. I did hurt a lot. Perception is very important in governing. Its important to try to give People Better feel for what they were going to say, what our choices were. Thats a hard thing to do in a financial crisis again because what youre going to be doing is unpopular. I wasnt hired to be communications guy, i was tried to fix the crisis. But still, it was damaging. Schieffer did you at any time when you were terry secretary, did the administration ever try to get to you put a more positive spin on things than you thought the situation deserved . No, i never had that experience. I had amazingly good experience with this president and this white house in the sense that my overwhelming experience was, this is a man very good at making decisions, unpopular decisions after looking at all the evidence who was willing at that time to put policy ahead of politics in way that was very important for the country. Again, easy for him to sort of sit back and say, im going to let it burn itself out. Its something i inherited. Im not responsible for it. That would have been devastating for the country. My experience was, he was excellent in crisis. Good at making decisions. Very tough on the rest of us, very tough on all of us to make sure we were examining the options, i never felt was in position where they put the a constraint on what we were doing. Never tried the make us more optimistic. Schieffer you are now former, what advice do you have to the administration right now on this problem with the Veterans Administration where you seem to have intractable bureaucracy, former secretary of defense, bob gates, told me last week he said, of all the bureaucracies the one that was even harder to deal with than his own was the veterans administeringment it seems to me you heard the commander of the v. A. Say this morning, they just need to change of culture over there. I think men and women who served our country we owe them everything. The American People owe them everything, our government owes them everything. It should be relentless effort to try to get them better care and better service. And i believe this president will put his best people on it. I thionyl advice to give them make sure you are putting as much on to that problem as you can. Whatever you think it needs, you want to do two or three times as much as people think it needs. Schieffer what do you say to people like massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren who says that our whole system is rigged to help the big banks and the rich people and it is the middle class that in her view why the middle class is suffering. I think this country has a lot of challenges, still. Were in a much better position than we were before this crisis, certainly in early stages of the crisis. But we have a lot of challenges in the country. We have tremendously high number of People Living in poverty, where the Median Income has not grown. To the extent should not be acceptable to experience. How well you do in life today, how good your educations how good healthcare is depends too much on the color of your skin or how rich your parents are. That should worry all americans. Those are things government can do things about, just need to find way in the country to rediscover what has been great strength of this political system to find pragmatic consenses, room for compromise. I think well rediscover that capacity but we seem to have lost it for a moment. Two questions in closing. What did you learn in this job and how would you rate the state of theist economy right now . I think the economy is really getting better, healing a lot of the scars left over from the crisis, it was a devastating crisis, worst since the great depression. It left a lot of damage, going to take time to heal. Were a significantly stronger country today, i think americans are just beginning to feel a little bit more confident. I think that is justified because we have a lot of strengths. If you look at energy or manufacturing or technology today, this is an ennorm mussily productive. And over time that should result in broadbased gains. I think there is room for optimism. Schieffer what did you learn . A lot of things. I think the most important thing in Public Service, most important thing in government to have people who just bring one focus to their job which is, what is the right thing and best thing to do help improve the process for this country and economy. Try to put politics aside, not to worry too much or listen too much to the din of this place. This is a pretty tough place to make decisions, you are going to getter decisions if you have people willing to look through the shortterm political costs and look through the din of noise of politics. Just try to focus. That. Schieffer did you feel like i thought i was able to do that, i had a president that was enormously supportive of that. Schieffer secretary, thank you so much good luck with the book. Well be right back with our panel. Predicting the future is a pretty difficult thing to do. But, manufacturing in the United States means advanced technology. We learned that Technology Allows us to be craft oriented. No ones losing their job. Theres no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out. The technology is actually creating new jobs. Siemens designed and built the right tools and resources to get the job done. Schieffer were back with our panel, a very good one. Jackie calmes National Correspondent far the new york times. Gerry seib of the wall street journal. And katrina vanden heuvel. I want at the beginning of this v. A. Story. Its an outrage. Those involved in the must be held accountable, prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We need to step back. Bob, i mean, congress has cut funding, has slashed funding for Veterans Benefits over the last years. If anyone should be offering resignation, maybe the congress should. General shinseki who is relieved of his duty by president bush because he told truth how many troops, has tried to institute reform. Short of waiting periods, bringing on more vets, fewer homeless vets. I think we need to look hard at the funding issue and finally i would add, i think we need to look hard at those who have taken our brave men and women in to unjustified wars, with wad protective vehicles, bad armor those people have not been held accountable for economics of our country. Military readiness, nor Veterans Health. I think that needs to be brought in to this scandal because that in many ways is the broad scandal. Schieffer why havent we heard from the president . One of the reasons they say, not to undermine general shinseki, its interesting parallel in terms of the administration responses. Weve been given textbook example how Administration Responds when there is a political policy emergency. That was failure of health care. Gov. Weve seen how they can rush to solve something. How does this compare, in that case president obama was speaking a lot, wasnt worried about undermining kathleen sebelius. Is secretary geithner taking about two and three times what is necessary. Is that what is being done sneer they have expertise how to put out these nice. This is new one as you said, secretary gates in his book talks about trying to just get handful put together so that veterans can find out what the services are, he said that was impossible to do. Schieffer you know, the thing that bothers me, yes, we need to have investigations, we need to find out who is at fault. But what i would like to know in the meantime, are they doing something to correct this problem . Are they moving more doctors in, are they doing things right now to help people on these waiting lists, waiting six months for an investigation whose fault is thats probably what the president ought to be addressing, not whose fault, what are we doing now. My questions he will will there is a lot of pressure. I think this is one of those classic problems where the Biggest Issue politically isnt the crime but the cover ip. The fact is the v. A. In most trouble not because waiting lists but because perception now that there were doctored lists to hide the fact that there were waiting lists, thats what got administration in trouble. We have to remember that complaints about the v. A. And services is a long standing one that crosses all administrations. ÷u irony here that this administration has tried particular lie hard to work for veterans. Its not just the president but joe biden and both of their wives have made it a priority to address veterans complaints. Taken office at time when they inherited huge back logs at the v. A. In claims of care. Those have been even as theyre trying to get those down, there has been progress. They are coming up because of the claims for ptsd and liberalized some of the ability to claim that you are suffering from ptsd and agent orange and these related ailments. So that has increased the traffic to the v. A. Im glad jackie brought that up, i do think the v. A. Has with the moist effective, Efficient Health care system in this country over the last decades. And it was nickel and diamond under the bush administration. They felt they needed to spend more on defense than on Veterans Benefits. If you send brave men and women in to war you have to take care of them in the multiple deployments. I think the president faces the important task of speaking of what is going to happen now. To showing what has been improved. The question is, what do you do with congress. They slashed benefits, do you bring in someone like colon powell. I think shinseki should be left there to fight but president said he may if colin powell speaks more effectively have more clout with this republican congress. Schieffer you know, i dont know what they need to do but all i know they need to do something. What you say, i take your point but that was then, this is now. This is a problem that no matter how it got to be where it is, has to be fixed. Bob gates, say what you want, similar thing that came up at Walter Reed Hospital he went out there fired a bunch of people got it straightened out. Its not perfect but bitter than it was. Firing shinseki. I think this important to find way to reform but understanding that we have nickel and dime the the v. A. In these last years. Schieffer lets talk about politicians. You saw Chris Christie. Mayor bloomberg talking about Hillary Clinton, that same conference from Chris Christie was, bill clinton was they asked him about karl roves remarks, here is what he said. First they said she faked her concussion. Now they say shes auditioning for a part on the walking dead. And theres nothing to it. I was sort of dumbfounded. They went to all this trouble to say that she had staged what was a terrible concussion that required six months of very serious work to get over. Something she never low balled with the American People. Never tried to pretend didnt happen. Schieffer you know the news there really, which got overlooked is he said it took six months to overcome this. Up to this point we were talking that was not the official story. Still hard now to get the story following up on that. That is what is interesting about this response to what seems to be different from what weve heard from the clinton camp before here. They responded in a way that suggested there was a future political narrative that they needed to manage. They needed to say that this is in the context of all these crazy attacks on Hillary Clinton and bill clinton said something, they will get better at it. In other words, they will have chance the get better at it because shes going to keep in the public life, presumably in political context. But then when you try to follow up on the sixmonth question they shut it down just like we were already in the campaign they werent going go to tell you any more than specific message they wanted to tell you. My sense that karl rove did him a favor by doing it this way. They have to address the health issue in the long run, obviously everybody no, sir that he managed to do it in such a way that democrats were angry, republicans were criticizing him and said outrageous. If you raise the issue probably ought have done it in a more artful way. I was there with you, bob, i saw in the president s words. President clintons word you felt like even though he was making light he was prepared for those questions. He seemed like you could hear in that sort of the his advice to his own wife, dont let this get to you, we know this is going to come, going to even get worse but just the answer to show humor. Weve seen the karl rove pretty despicable sleazey play book before, this is not shocking. He operates on the mark twain theory that lies hathaway around the world before truth gets its boots on. It probably helps Hillary Clinton and not yet announced campaign. But i think John Dickerson wrote something few days ago what were looking at is the possible political, never seen a political nominee uncontested in over a hundred years. Uncontested. Karl rove and others are in panic. Also hurts her in a way if you dont have others running, not only does this country get fresh ideas and new approaches but shes going to become the target of all of the republicans schieffer im glad you brought that up. I was thinking the other day, i assumed that shes going to run. Assumption is every reporters worst enemy. I assume shes going to run, but if she doesnt run, who will the democratic nominee who is going to run . Let me just say as nation we have series where we are determined because we dont believe president ial campaign should be spectator sports. Citizens should define the character and content of the election, to identify others who might run. Whether its governor omalley, jerry brown, senator warren, i think theres value in that i think we saw this with the obamaclinton race. Candidate is better served if he or she is tested in a primary. Thats not to say were antihilary. We want to have a debate in this country. Not a coronation. Weve all at this table been through this before in late 2006. Being described as the certain candidate, inevitable nominee. And we saw how that worked out. Today, Washington Post has a column based on interview with senator Bernie Sanders that katrina mentioned. Hes saying that hes thinking of running, not that he thinks he would win but he thinks, i jotted it down, that he doesnt think Hillary Clinton would be confront wall street and the quote, unquote, bill nonary class. He wants that point of view to be reflected. He didnt mention Elizabeth Warren much but schieffer i think she would run if hilary did not run. Lets talk about Chris Christie. Do you think he was hurt by the bridge gate . Absolutely. No doubt. The question is whether it was fatal wound or not. I doubt that it was because two years is an eternity in american politics. I felt what was interesting having him talk about jeb bush, are the establishment in 2016 sweepstakes. Those are the two guys that people who raise money in the party, people who are in position of power in the party and people in the Business Community which is an important constituency. The question of how they bump up against each other is fascinating. I think the real key to the republican race is whether or not jeb bush runs. I that i is the first question to be answered. You asked about bridge gate and Chris Christie. I think at least as big a problem is the fact that you asked him about question after question since you were at a fiscal summit, is his state has been its Credit Rating has been downgraded now six times. And he talked about one year and why, blamed it on state economists. But its there three years running. He wants to be the comeback kid but hes diminished man and not a stand up guy within it comes to schieffer well see. Clock ran out. Schieffer 60 years ago yesterday, may 17, 1954, the supreme courts landmark decision in brown v. Board of education effectively outlawed segregation in americas schools. One week late irrelevant, edward r. Moore row invited cbs viewers in to a small North Carolina town to see the towns reaction on the movement. There is no such thing as a typical southern town. Schieffer it is our face the nation flashback. Now devotes entire half hour to an effort to reflect the opinions and attitudes of certain persons who live in gastonia, North Carolina. Schieffer cbs talked with just about everybody in town. Up to you think about this decision, james . Nonsegregation than we are but the young people are actually the ones that have to live with it. I think in time the colored citizens and white citizens can work out this problem. I think it will strengthen america in the end. I think it would cause for split in both races if they mix and mingle because some of them couldnt come up to meet our standards. Schieffer down is the a black schoolteacher asked the same question of his students. I think that we as negroes can get a broader education and can advance farther than we have in the past for myself i would not like to attend the schools of the white churn because of the fact that i think that the consequence would be issue of negro and whites. But consequences would also be schieffer at pta meeting a teacher reminded us of one real challenge. I wouldnt mind teaching both colored and white children, i dont think theres any robs, where the real problem would be would be in the home. Because thats where you learn your prejudices at home youve got to educate these parents. Schieffer 60 years later that probably still holds. Well be right back. A, they think salmon and energy. 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