stop. >> o'donnell: so you tell him to be less loquacious. >> on occasion, yes. that has happened on occasion. >> o'donnell: his off-script remark that vladimir putin cannot remain in power. some called it a gaffe. some people called it the unvarnished truth. what did you make of when he said it? >> first of all, when somebody said joe has a gaffe, a gaffe is when he speaks the truth. joe had just come from spending the afternoon with moms and their children that have been families destroyed by what's happening in the ukraine. that's joe. he knows what grief and that pain is. >> o'donnell: so when you heard people say, "he's going to walk it back," you thought? >> no. he spoke as a father. he's real. the private man is the public person. there's no daylight. >> garrett: you can watch more of norah's interview with valeriken in ningews,one of the