Roger stringer is in pain because his son, zac, shot and killed his kid brother with his remington 700 hunting rifle. But zac said he never pulled the trigger. No, maam. Years later, the family learned the rifle had a trigger defect. Has remington ever admitted wrongdoing . Never. You cannot admit wrongdoing when you have seven million of these things on the market. Were riding with jockey eric poretz. Cmon, tony its one of the many races in the fall and spring, when timber jockeys roam the Rolling Hills of virginia, maryland and pennsylvania, in the runup to the maryland hunt cup. Give me some room the sport originated in ireland 250 years ago, when horsemen raced through the countryside, jumping hedges along the way. Youre approaching a fivefoot fence. Whats in your head . Well, number one, you hope youve been livin right. laughter im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im bill whitaker. Im anderson cooper. Im charlie rose. Im scott pelley. 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The program, created more than 25 years ago, allows American Companies to fill gaps in the workforce from overseas with highly skilled employees, who cant be found in the u. S. Many businesses use the program as intended, but we discovered more and more are taking advantage of loopholes in the law to fire American Workers and replace them with younger, cheaper, temporary Foreign Workers with h1b visas. But before the American Workers walk out the door, they often face the humiliating prospect of having to train the people taking their jobs. Last october, robert harrison, a Senior Telecom engineer at the university of california San Francisco medical center, was called to a meeting at the university with about 80 of his i. T. Coworkers. What did they say to you . Robert harrison we are sorry to inform you that as of february 28, youll no longer have a job. Were going to outsource your position to this company in india. Whitaker to a company in india. Harrison yes, sir. Whitaker harrison was told he could stay on the job, get paid for four more months, and get a bonus, if he trained his replacement. Harrison and now im being told that i h not only going to lose my job, but also have to train these people to take my job. Whitaker are you angry . Harrison pissed. That exceeds angry. Im really not a violent guy, i love people, but ive envisioned myself just backhanding the guy as hes sitting next to me, tryin to learn what i know. And i was like, god, please dont let them send anybody to sit next to me, to shadow me. I i dont want to do this. I really dont. Whitaker harrison and his colleagues staged a protest outside the medical center. His fellow worker, senior systems administrator kurt ho is losing his job, too. He had just trained his replacement from india. Kurt ho i think, for once, were going to stand up as americans and say, enough is enough. Were not gonna take it anymore. Sara blackwell thank you for standing up for what you believe in. Whitaker their rally was organized by this woman, Florida AttorneySara Blackwell. Blackwell this is about the Companies Making the decision that you are worthless to them whitaker she represents hundreds of u. S. Workers who were fired and replaced by Foreign Workers with h1b visas. Blackwell when you tell someone their real reason for getting rid of these jobs is for cheap foreign labor, that should offend everyone. Whitaker they have to train the worker whos going to take their job . Blackwell right. They are told by their company, if you dont train this person in a way that we approve of them being trained, then you dont get your severance. Whitaker the u. C. S. F. Medical center is a highly regarded staterun institution. Administrators say outsourcing the i. T. Jobs could save 30 million taxpayer dollars over the next five years. Thats a fraction of the universitys 5. 8 billion annual budget, but to robert harrison, its his job. Harrison i cant wrap my mind around training somebody to take my position. You know, its my livelihood. How am i supposed to feel . Whitaker ive heard some workers say that this is like digging your own grave. Is that what it feels like . Harrison it feels worse than that. It feels like, not only am i diggin the grave, but im gettin ready to stab myself in the in the gut and fall into the grave. Whitaker when the h1b visa was created in 1990, it was intended to help the u. S. Attract and hold onto the best and brightest foreign graduates, like engineers and scientists, and provide a pathway to citizenship. At the time, members of congress promised u. S. Workers would be protected. Bruce morrison this legislation protects american jobs. Whitaker former congressman bruce morrison, thenchairman of the immigration committee, authored the bill. You came up with this legislation. What what do you think of what it has become . Morrison im outraged. The h1b has been hijacked, as the main highway to bring people from abroad and displace americans. Whitaker businesses insist the visas are absolutely necessary to compete for the best global talent, and that even more h1b workers are needed to fill job shortages. Nearly every major hightech company, including apple, google, facebook, has employees here on h1b visas. Media companies, too, including cbs. The argument you hear from the hightech firms is that they cant find enough qualified American Workers. Morrison well, there are a lot of qualified American Workers, but the companies will do better financially if they hire the Foreign Worker rather than the american. Whitaker the American Workers are just as skilled as you are . Perhaps even more skilled . Rajesh translated yes. Thats true. Whitaker rajesh works at a major wall street bank, on an h 1b visa. To protect his job, and personal safety, he asked that we change his appearance and name. He was placed at the bank by one of the growing number of outsourcing companies. Most of these Global Staffing firms are based in india. Theyve become multibillion dollar enterprises, supplying American Companies with h1b workers, like rajesh, to replace American Workers. Rajesh said he was never told in india hed be taking americans jobs. Rajesh translated i have to take all of their knowledge in. Basically, i have to steal it. Thats my job description. Whitaker and the American Worker is let go . Rajesh translated yeah. The American Workers lose their job and they also cry while leaving the job. Whitaker they cry . Rajesh translated theyve been working there for 20 years, and suddenly i have taken their job. If i lose a job, i can go back to india. But where can they go . Whitaker you must know that when most nativeborn americans see this going on, they blame you. Rajesh translated yes, but i am not the enemy. The main villains are the Indian Companies and their american corporate clients. They are exploiting us. Whitaker why cant we just say were going to give jobs to Americans First . Morrison well, thats what the statute says, but whitaker but . Morrison they put in a loophole, and the loophole says, if you pay over 60,000, you can do that. And besides that, you dont have to try to find americans. Well, 60,000 is not high pay for this kind of work. People doing this work today easily make 120,000 140,000. Whitaker who put in that loophole . Morrison well, the it was done by congress. But obviously, the industry lobbied for it. Its really a travesty that should never have been allowed to happen. Craig diangelo it wasnt called training your replacement. It was called knowledge transfer. Whitaker Craig Diangelo worked for Northeast Utilities now called eversource and was one of 220 i. T. Workers replaced by h1b visa employees. Diangelo says his replacement, a worker from india, told him he was making half diangelos salary, with no benefits. Diangelo i didnt get laid off for lack of work. I got laid off because somebody cheaper could do my job. Whitaker so, to anyone who would say, youre anti immigrant . Dawn collins no jay palmer thats a lie. Diangelo thats a lie. You dont want to have any animosity towards them, because theyre looking for a better way of life. Whitaker we met with this group of workers, who all had to train replacements. Leo perrero had just received High Performance reviews from disney. When he was called into a personnel meeting, he expected a raise and a promotion. And instead leo perrero i was given the news that in 90 days my job was over and i had to train my replacement. Never in my life did i imagine, until this happened at disney, y desk and somebody would be flown in from another country collins right. Perrero sit at my same desk and chair and take over what i was doing. It was the most humiliating and demoralizing thing ive ever gone through in my life. cheers and applause whitaker the issue was getting little notice until it caught the attention of the trump campaign. Donald trump love you, thank you. Whitaker mr. Trump himself had hired foreign fashion models on h1b visas for his new york modeling agency, but when he saw how the theme of protecting american jobs resonated with his followers, he put Sara Blackwell and fired workers like leo perrero on center stage. Blackwell and theres two reasons theres two words of why this is happening corporate greed. Whitaker attacking the h1b visa program fit perfectly with mr. Trumps message, and tapped into americas simmering anger at the corporate and political status quo. Trump can you believe that . You get laid off and they wont give them severance pay unless they train the people that are replacing you. I mean thats, thats actually demeaning, maybe more than anything else. Whitaker what are these h1b visa workers bringing to the table . Mugesh aghi i think theyre bringing a much different skill level. Whitaker mukesh aghi is president of the u. S. India business council. He has been an executive at indiabased outsourcing companies, and he was president of ibm india. About 70 of the 85,000 h1b visas given out each year go to workers from india. He says the h1b visa is just one part of a burgeoning u. S. India trade relationship that benefits both countries. Aghi india has become a buyer of u. S. Defense equipment. Its a twoway trade which is taking place. So, we cant look at h1b in isolation itself. Whitaker you really believe that the indian workers are better educated, better skilled, have skills American Workers do not have . Aghi no. No. Im not saying that. I have all the respect to the u. S. Worker whitaker so why are they getting the jobs and the americans are losing them . Why are they not being done by American Workers . Aghi well, i think you have to ask the the companies who are taking those decisions. Whitaker because its cheaper. Aghi thats one factor. Every company is out there to make money with the cheapest possible way itself. Whitaker and thats whats happening. Aghi well, i would say so. Morrison the workers being brought in dont know anything more than the workers theyre replacing; they know less. And thats why they have to be retrained or trained by the American Workers who are being laid off. This is not about skills, this is about costs. Whitaker but saving money on labor was not the laws intended purpose. Robert harrison says the money saved cant replace the dedication of his i. T. Team. Harrison so our jobs, theyre theyre not menial jobs. Theyre very important. Somebodys child is laying in the childrens hospital, fightin for their life, and they depend on us. I see parents laying up all night long in the room with their child whos fightin for their life. And youre going to bring somebody in here that has no clue, has no sympathy, dont know the urgency to make sure that everything those people need is supplied . Right now . Its not going to happen. Diangelo were americans. Whitaker Craig Diangelo says at Northeast Utilities, the fired workers pressured to stay and train their replacements launched a quiet protest. Diangelo every one of us that would be let go had an American Flag sticking out of the cubicles, row after row after row. As we were let gothose flags were taken down. I was the last person let go. I went in and i took the last picture. There were no more flags left. You have a queasiness in your stomach when you look around and youre saying, this this this cant be possible. This didnt happen. Whitaker but it did happen, to craig and dawn and leo and workers at hundreds of Companies Across the country. Former head of Homeland Security janet napolitano, now president of the university of california, faced a huge public outcry when she got rid of those 80 i. T. Jobs at the medical center. She declined to give us an oncamera interview, but stated publicly that the university, didnt use the h1b process in the right way. She instructed the Indian Outsourcing Company to stop using h1b workers. Harrison all right, kurt. Whitaker but that comes too late for kurt ho and robert harrison. Worker give em hell whitaker february 28, they packed up their final day at the medical center. Harrison its going to be a matter of time before everybody else feels the same burden, the same pinch, the same hurt that were feeling right here at u. C. S. F. Its a matter of time. Whitaker after our story, u. C. S. F. Wrote us and said that it regrets the decision to ask some of its workers to train their replacements. It was a mistake, and the university intends for this to never happen again. 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But as we first reported in february, one avid hunter and gunlover is on a mission to raise awareness about what he calls the rifles defect, and he has good reason. Roger stringer i have become so accustomed to unpleasant thoughts and hardship, till that has become my new normal. Stahl one of Roger Stringers sons is dead; the other went to prison. Roger stringer pain is my constant companion. Stahl family photos of better days show dad and sons hunting. Roger, a powerline construction foreman from enon, mississippi, owned a remington model 700 rifle, and he bought another one for his older, then 12yearold son, zac. Roger stringer we loved the one that i had and he was old enough and mature enough. Stahl and how much was the safety stressed . Roger stringer paramount. Stahl but one night in 2011, the two boys, zac and justin, home alone, got into a fight. Zac, then 15, got his remington 700. Zac stringer and i loaded it. I loaded it with the purpose of scaring him. Stahl you knew you werent supposed to load the gun in the house. Zac stringer yes, maam, i had been i had been taught better. Stahl he says eventually emotions calmed down. Zac stringer and i started to stand up off of the couch and when i when i bent at the waist and started up, i heard a click. And it went off. And i remember the fire leapin from the barrel. I remember seein it hit. It was half his head was gone. Stahl panicking, he says, he went and got justins gun and placed it between his brothers legs to make it appear as though he had shot himself. Then zac called his parents. Roger stringer and zac met me outside and he said, daddy, dont go in there. And i just pushed him aside and i came on in. And it was really obvious that crying stahl it was right here, too. Roger stringer he was right there. Stahl detectives suspected right away that this wasnt selfinflicted. Zac was arrested the day of justins funeral, and later confessed that it was his gun, but he insisted it went off by itself. Zac stringer well, i didnt know how it had went off. Stahl did you deliberately kill your baby brother . Zac stringer no, maam. Stahl did you pull the trigger . Zac stringer no, maam. Stahl but zac was convicted and sent off to prison for ten years. Is it true that you actually testified against him at trial . Roger stringer i did. I did. Because id never heard of a gun goin off without a trigger bein pulled. It made no sense. Stahl what roger didnt know was that by then remington had gotten some 200 complaints claiming just that, about rifles like zacs, with a trigger mechanism called the xmark pro. Six months after justin was killed, another tragedy with the same trigger, this time in chadbourn, north carolina. 16yearold jasmine thar and her cousin jahmesha were about to go christmas shopping. Robert chaffin they were standing out in the front yard, with the grandmother sitting on the porch. Stahl robert chaffin, an attorney for jasmines family, made this animation a neighbor across the street in his bedroom picked up a loaded model 700. The safety was off. Chaffin and it fired through a closed window. And in what could be the most random act you ever heard of, the bullet traveled across the street and went through jahmeshas chest, barely missing her heart, and basically hit jasmine almost directly in the heart, and she died in her grandmothers front yard. Thats an incredibly tragic case. Stahl in a deposition under oath, James Anthony blackwell, a former marine and experienced hunter, couldnt explain how his rifle went off chaffin do you, anthony blackwell, believe that you pulled the trigger . Anthony blackwell no, sir. Chaffin do you think you touched it in any way . Blackwell no, sir. Stahl so, was he prosecuted . Chaffin no. Stahl chaffin had already won 17 million from remington in 1994 for a client who shot himself in the foot when he said his 700 fired on its own. Back then, rifles were made with another trigger called the walker. The company has faced 150 lawsuits alleging injury or death related to that trigger, but argues its always human error and never the guns fault. Has remington ever admitted wrongdoing . Chaffin never. You cannot admit wrongdoing when you have seven million of these things on the market. Stahl but according to a remington internal document, the company had evidence of the problem as early as 1975, when its own tests showed some of the model 700s firing without the trigger being pulled. And this 1979 document indicates the company considered a recall. That never happened, but a decade ago it did switch from the original walker trigger to the xmark pro. Chaffin they admit under oath in recent testimony that the new model was brought about to the market because they had so many complaints with the older model, not that there was anything wrong with it. And it turns out the new model was actually worse than the old model for the first eight years they manufactured it. Stahl thats stunning. The xmark pro came out in 2006. Chaffin yes, maam. Stahl how soon after that did remington start getting complaints . Chaffin soon. Stahl and they kept coming. Gun fired when safety was taken off twice; trigger was not touched. Three Police Departments complained. By early 2010, remington was getting videos from customers claiming they captured the trigger going off on its own after the safety was released. So you see the rifle did fire. Never touched the trigger. Stahl for years, despite the videos, and testing hundreds of rifles sent to the company, remington typically marked complaints could not duplicate and filed them in a database. And regulators couldnt do anything, because their hands are tied the government is allowed to recall toy guns, but not real ones. Then, in february 2014, remington received this video youll notice im in my coat. Stahl a remington owner videotaped an experiment in his garage, showing that the spontaneous firing is more likely in cold weather. As you can see, it fired. Stahl with the video all over youtube, remington did its own tests in bitter cold four out of ten rifles went off. In april 2014, the Company Fixed the problem, and announced a recall of over 1,300,000 rifles. Yet and heres where the critics weigh in remington continues to insist no one had been harmed by the xmark pro defect. It says that, even after settling the case over jasmine thars death. Jasmines family sued remington. Chaffin yes, they did. Stahl and how much did they sue for . Chaffin they sued for over 100 million. I cannot tell you the terms of the settlement. Stahl and in that settlement, as all the others, remington admits no wrongdoing . Chaffin true. Stahl and gets the silence of everybody. Chaffin true. Its a critical part of it. Stahl chaffin says that even when remington offers to fix the triggers, they do too little to notify the gun owners. The company declined our request for an oncamera interview, but in a statement told us they broadly promoted and advertised the recall. Yet the last numbers shared with us indicate only about one in four of the rifles were fixed; nearly a million remained out there. Do you think there are people with this gun, with this trigger mechanism, watching us right now, saying, whoa i have that gun . Chaffin thisll be the first time they ever heard of it. Stahl and theres still the issue of the original, walker trigger that remains in millions of rifles. Remington keeps getting complaints nearly 2,000 in the past four years alone. It also faced a classaction lawsuit in which owners of guns with the walker claimed the company knowingly sold them a defective product. Remington agreed to settle, offering to replace the triggers for free, even though it vehemently denies there is any design defect in the walker. A judge approved the settlement in march, but todd hilsee, an expert on classaction notices, says the company is confusing its customers by burying the danger. Todd hilsee no highlighting of stop using your gun; it might kill someone. Stahl what do they say . Hilsee they say, we deny theres a problem. We deny any wrongdoing. Stahl theres nothing wrong with this gun, but lets hilsee but were willing to fix it. Stahl amplifying his point, ten attorneys general had written the judge, chastising remington for refusing to acknowledge responsibility for the harm caused by its defective triggers. If everyone turns their guns in, how much would this cost remington to fix the problem . Hilsee the value would be 487 million. Stahl half a billion dollars. Hilsee half a billion dollars. Stahl in mississippi, Roger Stringer knew nothing about the Class Action Lawsuit or the recall. He was visiting zac in prison as often as he could, and zac kept telling him that he never pulled the trigger. So one day in 2015, roger picked up his iphone. Roger stringer i googled remington model 700, spontaneous firing. Stahl and . Roger stringer i just about dropped the phone when all that stuff showed up. I mean, there was just mountains and mountains of information about those guns; story after story of it happening to other people. Stahl he called remington and found out that zacs rifle with the xmark pro was under recall. That rifle is still being held at the local court house. A state forensic expert did test it before the trial, but hal kittrell, the prosecutor in the case, says he didnt know there had been other instances of the gun going off by itself. If you had known about this issue with the gun, the trigger problem, would you have gone ahead with the trial . Things may have gone differently . Hal kittrell i say this, lesley, i mean, had we known that there was a problem with the trigger before we were getting ready for trial, i can assure you we wouldve looked into that. We wouldve assessed this case based on that evidence, theres no question about that. Stahl shortly after we approached the prison to interview zac, roger unexpectedly got word that after five years behind bars, his son would be released for good behavior. Roger now believes his son is innocent and has filed an appeal asking the Mississippi Supreme Court to reconsider zacs conviction. But he wants gunlovers to know the story of his two boys, to hold remingtons feet to the fire. Roger stringer what im pushing for is for nobody else to have to walk in my shoes. I dont want anybody else to have to see their baby in the shape that justin was in that night. Stahl what would you like to see remington do now . Roger stringer eliminate the danger that is lurking in so many households. Stahl some people are gonna say that its convenient to blame remington. In other words, what if youre wrong about zac . Roger stringer there are going to be naysayers. I accept that. I welcome another day in court. But lets do it with all the facts. Im ready for it. Bring it on. Stahl the legal battle over the triggers continues. In may, a hunter from oklahoma and a sheriffs deputy from louisiana appealed the class action settlement, arguing it didnt do a good enough job notifying gunowners. The case will be decided by the 8th Circuit Court of appeals. This cbs sports update is brought to you by the ford division. Here at the pga championship in north carolina, 24yearold american Justin Thomas took the title by two shots. In major league baseball, the marlins John Carlos Stanton hit his major leagueleading 81st home run. 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The biggest, most demanding event there is in the world of timber racing. Its the american version of steeplechase, and the course is not for the fainthearted. It stretches four miles over the maryland countryside, over three times the length of the Kentucky Derby track. And there is a major, sometimes dangerous, challenge for both horse and rider the timber. 22 wooden fences to jump, some of them five feet high. Our story on timber racing was first broadcast this past spring, and a lot of it was shot with a dozen or so small cameras on the ground, in the air, and right in the saddle. Were riding with jockey eric poretz on a horse named touchdown tony. Cmon, tony rose its one of the many races in the fall and spring, when timber jockeys roam the Rolling Hills of virginia, maryland and pennsylvania, in the runup to the maryland hunt cup. Give me some room rose the sport originated in ireland 250 years ago, when horsemen raced through the countryside, jumping hedges along the way. The timber fences used in this country are more intimidating. Some are on a slant; some over water. For horse and jockey, each jump is tricky. Youre approaching a five foot fence. Whats in your head . Paddy neilson well, number one, you hope youve been livin right. laughs rose paddy neilson is a legendary jockey and trainer, from a family thats been riding and racing since 1875. He won his first major race when he was fifteen, and won the maryland hunt cup three times. Can you tell us what its like to feel the exhilaration . Paddy neilson theres just some magic about the power of that animal underneath of you. And then, when you ask him for everything hes got, the last quarter mile or Something Like that, and there it is, it is a marvelous feeling that only comes from doing it, really. It is great. Joe davies this is, to me, the most natural form of equestrian sport. Rose all right, lets watch. Joe davies trains both horses and riders at his maryland farm. Joe davies that was a lovely jump there. Rose oh. Joe davies you know they all did it fluidly, easily. Rose just look at them. Joe davies so take off is important and so is landing. Rose you can hear them hit the fence. Joe davies yeah. I mean, occasionally theyll tip that with their hind legs. But we put timber shins on, which are protective pads, so they dont really feel it. Rose for jockeys, the perfect jump involves horse psychology, and plain old horse sense. Joe davies being a good jockey is really learning how to read a horse, and stay the heck out of their way. Rose in the crucial seconds before liftoff, says davies, you can read a horse by watching the ears. Joe davies a horses ears will tell you what hes thinking about. And if youre doing this, and kicking him and pulling on him, his ears will go back. Hell be paying attention to you. If you can be as quiet and still as a mouse, then the horse doesnt think about you. His ears go forward. Hes paying attention to whats in front of him. He sees the fence and he jumps it perfectly every time. Rose and there is Something Else that indefinable chemistry that produces in love, in art, in horse racing something greater than the sum of the parts. Joe davies you can take the fifth best horse and maybe the tenth best jockey and together they can be magic. Rose or you could take the best horse and the best rider and theres no magic, and they wont be anywhere near their potential . Joe davies correct. trumpet signals rose many of the rituals of the timber race are similar to what you see at Churchill Downs or belmont or pimlico. The crowd is wellheeled; the hats are outrageous; theres tailgating, and theres grazing, on both sides of the fence. Heres your betting, heres your odds. Rose but the betting is strictly small change, and so is the purse money a mere 100,000 for the hunt cup, versus 2 million for the Kentucky Derby. Theyre all in line, and away they go rose success at timber racing requires a horse with both speed and stamina. Speed to propel them over the fences and the finish line; stamina to keep going for four miles. cheers and applause as a result, both horses and jockeys are often bigger, sturdier than the ones at flat tracks, as people here call traditional oval race tracks. And its not unusual to see women competing in such a rough and tumble sport, sometimes finishing first. This is a sport in which men and women compete together. Paddy neilson they do. Rose meaning, women are pretty damn good. Paddy neilson yup. Very good. Kathy neilson i knew as soon as i started galloping racehorses im like, that was the direction that i was going to go in. Rose paddys neilsons daughter kathy and her sister sanna say it was more than just Family Tradition that hooked them on timber racing. Sanna neilson its the adrenaline rush. We would definitely be self proclaimed adrenaline junkies, i would say. Rose sanna won the maryland hunt cup in 1993. Kathy won it as a trainer in 2002. Racing, they say, plays to womens strengths. How do you think women are better at it . Sanna neilson you know, if youre 130 pounds, youre not going to be able to bully a 1,200pound animal. Youre going to be able to coax them into doing something, but youre probably not going to be able to muscle them into it. Kathy neilson you hungry, bud . I feed my horses every afternoon. I love it. I love to hear them whinny to me. You know, its a nurturing job, in a way, is to see them flourish. Hungry . Yeah. Sanna neilson so its something that just gets in your blood. Rose but part of it is the danger. Part of it is the risk. Kathy neilson the danger. Yeah. You know, ive broke both my wrists, my knee, you know. Rose its something jockeys train themselves not to think about. A misstep by the rider; a horse that loses altitude and trips on the timber. That was haddix who lost his rider. Rose even worse, rearending or trampling someone whos fallen in front. Swayo lost his rider at the fence. Rose falling horses usually roll with it very few are badly hurt. The riders are Something Else. Paddy nielson i still dont know whether i got kicked, or the horses head flew up and hit me in the cheek, but i broke my jaw and knocked out eight teeth. Which is a pretty good pretty good blow to the face. Rose and if they gave a glutton for punishment cup, it would probably go to mark beecher, an irish jockey whos a regular on the timber circuit here. Mark beecher fractured my cheekbone, my two front teeth are gone, ive broken two collarbone twice, this one once, dislocated this shoulder twice, broken two ribs here, three ribs down my back, broken my ankle. Rose youre right, youve got to be crazy to want to do this. Mark beecher its the thrill. Its the buzz. Rose but timber jockeys cannot live by thrill and buzz alone. Since theres not much money in the sport, most riders have to have a real job. James stierhoff from a very young age, i was always obsessed with horses. Rose James Stierhoff is a man with a double life. Stierhoff i have had some amazing opportunities and amazing experiences. Rose during the week, he works at brown advisory, a Financial Firm in baltimore where hes immersed in the fine points of managing money, helping clients figure the risks and rewards of investing. And away they go rose but weekends, its the risk and reward of timber racing, and as a jockey, stierhoff has quite a resume. So whats it like for you to win the maryland hunt cup . Stierhoff it was unreal. Twill do with James Stierhoff, jumping now. Rose it was both unreal and unlikely. Here he is in 2010 atop twill do, a horse hed never raced before. Its trainer, billy meister, planned to ride twill do himself, but was hurt in a fall, and called stierhoff to take up the reins. Stierhoff and i said, i mean, id love to, but i dont really know that this is great idea. Im at home with the flu. Billy says, not to worry. I rode the best race of my life with a 104 fever. Youll be fine. Rose but it says something that billy wanted you on that horse. Stierhoff yes. Twill do trying to come back again on the inside, private attack leading toward the final fence. Rose at the finish, it came down to stierhoff on twill do, and mark beecher, the man of many fractures, on private attack. Twill do on the inside, private attack is going to have to settle for second. Twill do rose stierhoff not only won the cup in 2010, he did it again two years later. Stierhoff i was able to achieve something that i never really maybe thought was possible. And man, how lucky am i . Rose and there is a certain horse that might be asking himself the same question. He is senior senator, once an alsoran, now a star. God, its majestic isnt it . Joe davies i think he likes you. Rose before trainer joe davies bought him, he was a flat track racer with a mediocre record and a nasty reputation for acting up. Joe davies they had to tranquilize him every day to get him out onto the race track. We knew he was difficult because hed throw his jockeys on the way to the start. Rose he would throw his jockeys on the way to the start. Joe davies every time. Rose it got so bad, the track veterinarians wouldnt go near him. Davies the trainer who had him before us said i want you to know, ive been training horses for 35 years. This is the craziest horse to ever look through a bridle. And rose you are the craziest horse ever to look through a bridle. You know that . Davies and his wife, blythe a legendary rider, now a trainer specialize in horses that flamed out on the flat track, but show promise as timber racers, giving them a second chance. Is it different riding this horse . Blythe Miller Davies yes. Rose how so . Blythe Miller Davies because hes such a special jumper. Rose the key was letting him run free. During his flat track career, hed spent countless hours penned up in his stall miserable, angry. Joe davies we turned him out in a big field, and he became a happier horse, really, almost the first hour he was here. Rose the question was would he jump . Some horses love it, some dont. The answer wasnt long in coming. Senior senator was a jumper, even without a rider. Joe davies we just figured out how to get him to do what really is natural, and what this horse was just put on this earth to do, which is to run and jump. Senior senator has led a good portion of this race. Rose his biggest challenge came at the 2016 maryland hunt cup, against a strong field of the bravest horses and riders. Racing around the turn with a big lead, senior senator is the one to catch. Rose but in the stretch he lost the lead, and gave it a lastchance burst of energy. Barreling through the stretch, its guts for garters. Senior senator coming back again on the outside. Senior senator rose from crazy horse, to champion. Joe davies he didnt need discipline. He didnt need to be manhandled. He just needed to be understood, and i feel like thats what we were able to do. horse snorts rose now what is he saying there . Im happy with all this attention. Right, joe . He can still be temperamental. Skittish at bath time. Often a bit of a prima donna, saddling up for a race. But he was a perfect gentleman accepting a sweet potato treat from a perfect stranger, who happily survived with all ten fingers intact. In other words, senior senator, who found his true calling with a little help from his friends, is a lot like many talented humans. Joe davies he hangs on the edge of sort of insanity and brilliance. Rose which is also a good description of what it takes to triumph in timber racing for man or beast. Filming a horse race it helps to know the turf. Meet 60 minutes horsewoman at 60minutesovertime. Com. Sponsored by lyrica. 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